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Jesse Jackson: Hillary's Speech Made "A Powerful Case" For Her As Veep

We're now hearing around three dozen Hillary supporters a day make the case for her as Veep, but it's pretty seldom that you hear a prominent Obama supporter like the Reverend Jesse Jackson doing the same:

"While clearly the choice of a running mate is his and that right should be honored, I thought she made a powerful case for her eligibility," Jackson said in a phone interview with The Associated Press.

"As he surveys the field, it must be someone who is compatible with him philosophically, someone who is loyal to his agenda and someone who brings a constituency that matters and the capacity to become the next president, as the Constitution requires should disaster strike," Jackson said.

Clinton meets those requirements, Jackson said. "She may not be the only one who does, but she certainly does," he said.

This stops short of an outright call to make her Veep, so it isn't really that difficult or risky a thing for Jackson to say, but his effusiveness is noteworthy.

Indeed, as noted here before, the tell will be whether Obama supporters start making such a case in significant numbers. It seems unlikely, now that Obama and his advisers have clearly signaled that they don't want to be pushed in this -- or any -- direction as they try to decide who to pick.


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Give it a month. The Hillary as VP chatter will become a whisper.

It better, I'm sick of it. It's like these people have no concept of reality, or politics, or anything. I swear deep down many Democrats get off on losing..

Yeah, all of this VP talk is kind of redundant, seeing as the candidates choose their VP. There is a new VP poll that started at this site, and the results are really informative. There is a poll for both dems and reps, so see who the presumtive nominees should choose.

http://www.votenic.com

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Fuck off spammer.

"As he surveys the field, it must be someone who is compatible with him philosophically, someone who is loyal to his agenda and someone who brings a constituency that matters and the capacity to become the next president, as the Constitution requires should disaster strike,"

Clearly Hillary is nothing like what Rev.Jackson says is required for a VP for Obama.
*Hillary is not compatible with Obama's message for change and would be a liability to his reformist agenda.
*Hillary has demostrated stratospheric disloyalty to Obama and what he stands for and would not be a suitable VP as long as those trust issues linger.
*Hillary exhibits a different capacity for the office of president, albeit an anacronistic image of the presidency in the progressive 21st Century with unique global challenges.Hillary represents the same old Washington Gameplan that has failed us in the past, characterised by pointers such as the war in Iraq & Afganistan, the decline of the mighty US Global image & power,failing economy, the rise of Eastern powers such as China & India plus a resurgent Russia.We need a fresh-page approach by someone who understands the need for change so no Rev.Jackson, Hillary does not fit the bill.But thanks for the offer, pliz keep checking!

I hope so.

No, Jesse! FEINGOLD for VP. He's so damn good Hillary steals his material!

OBAMA/FEINGOLD 2008!

Not that I can blame her....

http://factbeat.com/get_story.php?id=177

Feingold would be awesome, but I really doubt that will happen. Richardson is my choice, he has the right experience, he has the right image and character, and he would be a huge help demographically.

But Hillary? Heeeeeelllllll no, that's ignorant talk:

http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/06/why-no-nightmare-ticket-lets-count.html

Bill Richardson for VP, never happen, that will be the Archie Bunker ticket for sure. Can you imagine a time in America, when both people in charge will not be White; it will never happen.

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FYI Archie Bunker was a Democrat.

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No, he doesn't have the right image and character.

Obama-Feingold would truly be a dream ticket. Obama will attack the Republicans on the war and the economy. Feingold would eviscerate them for torture, spying, and weakening the Constitution.

It's just a consolation prize for Hillary Clinton to have her name mentioned as a veep possibility.

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Can there ever be a day that Greg doesn't flog some stupid Hillary shit?

You'd think that with Hillary officially out of the race, Greg would stop posting about her...

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You would think, indeed.

Jackson is a long time Clinton crony. Remember when he went to the White House to pray with Bill.
Jackson is just trying to make himself relevant again. Ignore him. His time has passed.

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Greg,

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HELL NO! Have you lost your f-ing mind Jesse???

No nightmare ticket, period. Do you need someone to explain the reasons to you?:

http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/06/why-no-nightmare-ticket-lets-count.html

The more people who come out saying BO should pick HC for vp the more it will seem like he is being pressured. The more it seems like he is being pressured the likelihood of him picking her gets lower and lower. This is a blessing in disguise for BO because he doenst want her and the pressure from hillary's camp will be the reason the pundits talk up when she isnt picked.

The perception shouldnt be that your PUBLICLY CAMPAIGNING FOR VP!

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So you're saying that the people flogging the Hillary for VP idea are using reverse psychology to undercut her chances? Interesting.

Look, I'm a political news junkie like the rest of you guys. But can't we go one day withouta story about someone trying to ram Hillary down Obama's throat? I mean, first, he might be able to win without her (!). Second, how many second-place finishers in recent political history can you remember at all, let alone remember having muscled their way onto the ticket? Tick tock. The magic of the passage of time.

Or at least treat all former candidates equally. How's Huckabee doing? What about Fred Thompson?

When I went to rural Mississippi this weekend (and futilely engaged several impassioned rednecks in a discussion of Obama's merits) I saw a "Fred '08" sticker on a truck. It made me laugh.

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Greg, please stop with these diaries, they're not newsworthy, interesting, or new.

The will he pick her or not? storyline is something that we make fun of the MSM for being obsessed with. A blog like this should do better.

I agree, I'm sooooooo tired of the MSM doing this sort of "dream ticket" bullshit, it annoys me greatly every time a talking head brings the asinine idea up, and I'd love it if I didn't have to face the same ignorant suggestions from intelligent sites online. We are better than that, I think we are all smart enough to know there are many many reasons not so choose Hillary as VP.

C'mon now, enough with this nonsense.

As an FYI, I couldn't find a word on HuffPo about Hillary/VP.

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I thought that speech was the best speech she's ever given. I still think Bill has too much baggage (as does the Clinton name), but I can understand Jackson's enthusiasm.

Hillary who?

Nope.

Oh Jesse, please shut the fuck up already.. I'm sure the good reverend means well, but this is just one of a long list of quotes from prominent African Americans that happens to be the furthest thing from being helpful. Bob Johnson's drug innuendo, Andrew Young talking about Bill Clinton being with more black women than Obama.. Crabs in a fucking bucket, I swear..

Ha ha Fred Thompson! I think he's either a warm-up act for Dennis Kucinich at the Nevele in the Catskills, or he's hawking Mr. Coffee Brewmasters on late-night infomercials. My point exactly.

LOL! Points for mentioning the Nevele. I actually stayed there once for a conference. Most interesting architecture.

For veepstakes watchers, this quote really stuck out for me from Obama rally in Virginia with Webb and Kaine. After praising Webb, Obama said this about Kaine:

"When you're in the political business, there are a lot of people who are your allies, there are a lot of people who you've got to do business with, but you don't always have a lot of friends," Obama said. "The governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia is my friend."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2008/06/obamakaine_obamawarner_obamawe.html

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Kaine is a non-starter. He is anti-choice.

Is he? Well, there that goes.

I did some research this weekend on Kaine and found some comments from him where he said "cutting and running" would be a bad idea in Iraq in the last gov. race in VA. Not that that is a wrong statement, none of us want to do that- we want a responsible withdrawal, but using Bush speak.....ehhhh..... I don't know....

Likewise, Warner hasn't exactly had a strong stance on Iraq until his recent Senate campaign....

Sorry Jesse,
One great speech does not erase all of her poor judgment, low character, lack of ethics. For me that was a lot of speech with very little substance... isn't that a line she used to use...
She cannot be the VP. That is a mess. She has attacked him too viciously. I can't think of a good reason to have her on the ticket...
Some of her voters might vote for him because of it... but many would not... just as I won't vote for Senator Obama if Hillary is on the ticket. I cannot use my vote to give power to the Clintons. I am not saying I would vote for McCain... but voting to put Hillary in power for me would be like voting now, after all we know, to give George Bush power. Not gonna happen!

das2003 said:

"Greg, please stop with these diaries, they're not newsworthy, interesting, or new.
The 'will he pick her or not?' storyline is something that we make fun of the MSM for being obsessed with. A blog like this should do better."


I agree strongly. If you must discuss this issue ad infinitum, take a poll of TPM readers' choices listing several, repeat several, possible candidates for Obama's Veep.

I think its a good thing for Obama supporters to praise Hillary for her speech, as well as show publicly they are considering her. Obama will not be pushed into anything; I trust him to do what's best.


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I think its a good thing for Obama supporters to praise Hillary for her speech, as well as show publicly they are considering her.

No kidding. My concern is that the two campaign will be able to make peace, and work together, but that supporters of Obama might alienate Clinton supporters--inside and outside the blogosphere.

I thought Saturday's speech was excellent, and, probably the best concession speech I've ever heard. I've never wanted Clinton as the Veep, but I think news of a prominent Democrat (someone not strongly pro-Hillary) advocating this is actual news, and not just a TPM fixation.

"As he surveys the field, it must be someone who is compatible with him philosophically, someone who is loyal to his agenda and someone who brings a constituency that matters and the capacity to become the next president, as the Constitution requires should disaster strike," Jackson said.

Not to mention, A) Hillary is NOT compatible with him philosophically (status quo vs change), B) Hillary is loyal to no one but her own political ambition, you needn't look further than how comfortable she was stabbing her own party in the back, and C) This goes back to the Bobby Kennedy remarks, and all I have to say is I NEVER want Hillary in a position where she would benefit politically from Obama's death.

Jackson is a fool. Every one of those reasons he listed were on my list of reasons NOT to pick Hillary as VP:

http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/06/why-no-nightmare-ticket-lets-count.html

Seriously, if you don't know what you are talking about, don't open your mouth. You know know better, and you just embarrass yourself, and probably piss off a lot of the African American community in the process.

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Nope.

Then when obama names his vp, which won't be the clintons, we'll be getting inane bs about the clintons being secretary of state or defense or something. Enough already.

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I'm with Jesse. Winning is the sine qua non.Or , to quote Vince Lombardi " the only thing".

Whether she'd be a VP who'd complement Obama is irrelevant. Her duties and rights as VP would be only those he assigns.If she want's to play ball she'd be a great asset If not it would soon become 'Hillary who?"

But without the army of her disappointed, no heartbroken, women supporters- who right now want to punish Obama , he won't win. Her speech was fine , but it will take more than that. A lot more, like her name on the ticket.

In June of 41 Churchill, asked how he could welcome Russia as an ally, said that if the devil himself wanted to fight Hitler, he'd manage to work a favorable reference to hell into his next Question Time.Seems about right.

i disagree, flavius. even if obama decided to give clinton nothing to do, the media would still approach her for comments on his policies.

e.g. - obama proposes a bill re health care that does not include mandates for adults - media will ask hillary clinton for her opinion, given that she strongly supported a bill with adult mandates. or obama makes statement strongly opposing trade with colombia - media will ask bill clinton for his opinion, given $ he has received to push a trade pact with that country.

if clinton were VP, and both she and her husband answered all such questions with something like: "Obama is the president, and has the right to take stands as he sees fit. I have no other comment", then i could imagine the clintons not being a distraction. but i think one or both of them would be inclined to answer such questions substantively, and the media would publicize the answers in the interest of demonstrating a supposed "rift" within the obama administration. these questions would distract from obama's goals in a way different than if almost any other person were VP.

sure, the press could still ask hillary & bill these questions even if hillary is NOT the VP, but i think the distraction level is significantly multiplied if she is the VP.

the challenge is what if obama decides that his odds of winning are (much?) better if he picks hillary as VP, but his odds of successfully governing as president are (much?) worse with hillary as VP? my guess is that under those circumstances he won't pick her.

Hope y'all don't mind waiting. Pretty sure, it's gonna be a couple months until we find out.

Until then do some research and write in and tell Obama who you want. Or just write and say who DON'T want.

Give them feedback!

I hope you're ready to wait. Pretty sure it's gonna be a couple months until we find out.

Until then do some research and write Obama and tell him who you want. Or DON'T want.

Ultimately, it's his decision, but giving candidates feedback is always a good thing, in my book.

what is the dilly-yo on the commment system lately. Fucking thing sucks, to quote Bill O.

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"We'll do it live!"

I think Hillary would make a great vice president and be the perfect running mate with John McCain....eight more years of fear mongering, just the ticket for poor judgement.

To all of the established politicians going public w/ the promotion of the dream ticket...please realize that it's just that... a dream!

Hillary as VP makes no sense to me and adds some many more negatives to the ticket! Barack will name his choice when he is ready and I'm all for that! I actually enjoy seeing a parade of people making speeches with or for him!

Hillary will not be the VP.

I'm in favor of rotating VP's.
First year -- Webb
Second year -- Sebelius
Third year -- Richardson
Fourth year -- Go with the hot hand.

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it must be someone who is compatible with him philosophically

NOT.

That was the difference. The agenda items were similar, but the philosophical approach to politics (to 'kitchen-sink' or not to 'kitchen-sink' your opponent) and how to run the party (DLC style or 50-state strategy) are a couple of the most obvious examples.

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One more time. Repeat after me. No woman as VP, no Obama as President.

Sure the cliche is true that voters vote for the President not the VP. Except this time.

McCain's fixing to add to the usual die-hard reps a formidable combination of racists in general and low income whites in particular plus moderately liberal previously Clinton-supporting women.

Which will defeat Obama.

For that not to happen Obama must, repeat must, have a woman as VP. I mostly discount the HRC supporters who claim they'll still walk if the VP is any woman other than her. A.Nother Woman would bring them grumbling back into the fold.Most of them.

But there's no point in almost jumping over the Snake River.

The ideal , indeed the necessary, candidate is whoever would bring the ticket the equivalent of the extra 280 Florida votes (they never did include West Palm's recount)which would have spared us the last 8 years.

Absent polling data to the contrary I think that's HRC.

"One more time. Repeat after me. No woman as VP, no Obama as President."

I got opinions about most stuff, but not this. My television set informs me that this mutant army of Hillary's wounded women who seem to want passionately to lose the election (so the Supreme Court can be further packed against them?) will be infuriated if Obama picks any woman except Hillary. Therefore, the tortured logic continues, since he will not and can not pick any other woman, then assuming he doesn't pick her, he is forced to pick a man.

This makes no sense to me, but I don't know honestly who is right, my television set or your good self.

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My personal experience is with strongly liberal, politically savvy North-Shore Long Island women who were desperately hoping for Hillary to win but are also desperately anxious to avoid a Supreme Court nullification of Choice. They won't vote for McCain but might stay home. A woman as VP would certainly ensure their vote.

My sense about younger less experienced women HRC supporters is that some of them might jump to McCain but that could probably be prevented by a woman VP. It would certainly be prevented by VP HRC.

I opt for certainty.

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My television set informs me that this mutant army of Hillary's wounded women... will be infuriated if Obama picks any woman except Hillary.

As a matter of fact they'd be infuriated even if Obama did pick Hillary. They feel he stole the nomination from her by somehow changing the rules (because she could never be beaten in a fair fight) and they are dead set determined to vote for Hillary for President in November, even if it means writing her name on the ballot. Which they will do (if you believe what they say) even if she's already on the ballot as Obama's VP.

These people are not rational. In her concession speech, Hillary told them that the best way to advance their issues this year is to get Obama elected, but they aren't listening. To them Hillary is Eva Peron, the tragic heroine, and they would never vote for her in second place.

Hillary is perhaps the most hated person among certain circles, including mine.
But, like Jesse, I'd seriously consider her as my running mate if I were running for President. Whether I would select her depends on how things develop in the next couple of months. I'd wait till the end of July, with Kathleen Sebelius and a couple others vetted and ready as the 1st choice.

Yes, Obama will risk his entire political future on the bet that Bill Clinton won't be caught with his pants down with a bimbo in the next 8 years. Yep, that's a bet anyone would take.

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This from the man who took himself out of the VP running by proclaiming his right to be a candidate for the job.

For heavens' sakes, Jesse, put a sock in it.

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