No shit it's not the end!

Not even a house on top of her can kill the witch these days!

Please please PLEASE no Hillary as Veep.

"Is she going to make a speech that will make the headlines some are expecting? I have absolutely no way of knowing that,"

That is what he said. He has no information on what Hillary will do. Neither do I. Will that statement earn me a special dedicated thread. Socks does not know either. Give the Cat a thread to report it.

Ok, I am getting worried. Where are the super endorsements? I hope he's not doing this speech tomorrow without the nomination. Also, I hope there isn't this flood after the polls close to give him the nomination. That wouldn't look good. I was expecting a drip, drip of supers today and tomorrow, leaving him just 5 or so shy so that when they call montana it's all over. He's had the least amount today than he's had for the last month or so, which seems doubly odd in light of the saturday pr fiasco, which officially raised the bar, but locked in stone the number needed to nominate.

Anybody have any thoughts?

Greg,

NO WAY she's dropping out (though I pray for it!) - Wednesday is nothing more than a suspension of campaign so she can get her money back, rest up, regroup a leaner/meaner campaign and re-work her strategy for (1) stealing Obama's SD's and (2) her own general election. If that does not work, she may go Independent as revenge on the Dem party for what happened to MI on Saturday.

I sincerely hope I'm dead wrong on all of this!!!!!

She's not going to drop out tomorrow night. She's not going to drop out until the convention. But she will suspend her campaign, possibly after Wednesday.

Even she said we'd know who the nominee is by the end of this week. Nothing has changed since that statement. Nothing has changed, truthfully, since NC and Indiana, except for Florida and Michigan being seated.

What are we going to do for drama after tomorrow?

Lighten up, people. Of course they're not going to trudge through to the last primary only to announce the day before that they're throwing in the towel. On Wednesday she has a choice to make: either concede or have the superdelegates take it out of her hands. Seppuku is the honorable way.

She will suspend her campaign, wait for Obama to get crushed on national security, his radicals and the supers will switch at the convention.

She owes the party and Obama nothing.

Why would BIG DONORS be willing to spend thousands more to see her give a "concession speech"?

She could have suspended her campaign LONG ago and still had the same effect of waiting to see if anything happened to Obama (supers could then run to her side in Aug) --- but she stayed in to HURT Obama as much as possible. To gain leverage for later.

All about HILLARY - always remember that...not the Party or even her supporters.

And the polling looks terrible in S. Dakota and Montana:

CNN reports that all Clinton staffers have been directed to turn in final expense reports by the end of the week.

So how much have you and your boy Eric (love-of-my-life) Kleefeld bilked the Clintons for Greg?

Nothing has changed???? Her campaign just this morning stated 2210 was the magic number again, Obama's SD's are not locked in until the convention and therefore fair game for the picking, she's claimed just this morning in SD that she's won more STATES and has the popular lead...

Now you all think she's suddenly going to drop out??? Sorry, I wish I could believe that!

Shrillary's claims of this morning are absolute bullshit, but stating them publically in the first place is NOT something someone about to drop out would do! Uh Uh....she's hoping any naive SD's will read into it all and believe her!

Agri, I agree...but she's doing it in a very embarrassing and obnoxious way, especially with her claims this morning about winning number of states! WTF???

Notice HRC keeps trumpeting the popular vote win, albeit a questionable one. She is signalling to SDs that now you've got cover to switch. The SDs that came out today were using the same line as the campaign about how she is the *stronger* candidate. Doesn't sound like someone giving up. She's not making these points just to win an argument. She is pulling strings behind the scene to get the weak SDs to flip.

Why the party for big donors? Well, if I were a poor congressman SD currently supporting Obama, and I see my #1 donor in that party, and I just got a call from Bill to switch on the TV. I guess I got the idea.

Obama can probably claim victory tomorrow, but the fight ain't over behind the scene until Denver.

Just because I am paranoid, doesn't mean they are Not out to get me. Qoute from the sixties.

This captures it for me:

Hillary takes the Oath of Office.

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/0/5/2/obama-inauguration-lk0424d.jpg

I enjoyed this one, back during the Pennsylvania primary.

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/J/4/2/hillarys-boilermaker.jpg

It is not Hillary Clinton's fault, that many of her supporters now say they would not support Barack Obama in the fall. It's become increasingly curious and offensive to some Hillary supporters and even those watching from afar, that the tone from much of what has turned into Obama-land, appears to still be immersed in arrogance and self righteous certitude, so much so, they've basically alienated a tremendous number of crucial voters that the Democratic party desperately needs come November when the new White House occupants are picked. Millions of alienated' Clinton supporters that have been completely turned off by what they see as the sheer nastiness of media coverage and campaign tactics directed towards their candidate. They are turned off by what they see as a dismissive tone in the Obama message, turned off by what they see as the cult like dominance projected by many of his fans. Obama is barely qualified to be in the Senate.

I Poo-Poo the Pooh-Poohs.

I think she is suspending her campaign this week, but she is also going to let South Dakota finish up. I also am somewhat suspicious that Senator Obama might pull together enough delegates tomorrow night to claim that he has the numbers for the official nomination.

One thing to keep in mind: if she expects Obama to help her alleviate that $20,000,000+ debt she's going to have to get out pretty soon. He's not going to take time out from campaigning in the fall to help her. If she fights through the convention she's screwing herself out of a ton of money. And I seriously doubt she'll do that.

new here as I've been reading your posts, I must say I enjoy and agree w/many of them..
I agree w/most that HRC is not letting Obama having his big night tomorrow and will prob have a joint appearance w/him Wednesday?Thursday?? (both campaigns are now talking $ and all, cabinet position
that would be the best case scenario at this point, unfortunately..
re the post about the 17 senators about to come out..it's not sure they will come out right after Wednesday.they are saying they feel Clinton is owed a "grace period" so end of the week???

I feel she is no longer owed anything but I guess they know how to do this
I wish they would all just shut her down!!

The comment immediately above was supposed to be a reply to the very first comment in this thread by HusseinTenaX. Don't know why it appears at the end. The "reply to" check box was checked.

Anyone who has watched Hillary Clinton conduct her campaign should know that conceeding graciously, is NOT in the Clinton's DNA! To her
"conceeding" is the same as "quitting" and according to her, the Clinton's are not quitters.
Anyone remember Bill making this statement?

the SDs can change their vote ANYTIME B4 the convention, just a reminder.

that some SDs have committed to BO is not sealed and delivered until August.

Jesse Jackson went to the convention behind 1200 votes, Ted Kennedy was behind 7 or 800 votes, so Hillary's less that 200 votes is essentially a tie.

Neither has the magic new number until the convention despite the blogosphere claims BO has the nom.He's ahead, but that is all

She will never concede. She will tear the party asunder, burn down the house, go kamikaze before she would concede. She has Harold Ickes on the phone prolonging her case: "A Clinton donor tells me that on a conference call today with major fundraisers this afternoon, Harold Ickes told them Clinton isn't planning to drop out." (Ben Smith, Politico) They are cirulating memos about this absolutely NOT resolving before AUGUST.

Clinton aides rallying donors, floating convention fight: "August, and no earlier" http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

She is wholly incapable of looking outside of her Me, Me, Me perceptual lens. Nevermind the party, nevermind the country, nevermind the continuing deaths and unending war she authorized, nevermind the overturning of Roe v. Wade. Its all about Hillary Clinton. She will not accept her loss, she will never admit that her mistakes cost her the nomination. She will never admit that she surrounded herself with miscreants and incompetents. She will "fight, fight, fight" (that approach resulted in such an excellent result the first time she took up the healthcare issue). And we, Democrats, will Lose, Lose, Lose. And we have Hillary to thank.

My goodness, aren't we all a little hooked on drama? What on earth shall we do with our time when it's time to move on to McSame?

My bets on the immediate future:

* On Tuesday, Obama will acknowledge that he's verging on or just over 2019. No drama, just the normal speech he's giving these days, briefly and graciously conceding to Hillary if she wins SD (which seems unknowable right now), effusively thanking the MT and SD voters, and then launching into McCain.
* On Wednesday, we'll see some high-profile SD endorsements. For the rest of the day, there'll be lumps of SD's declaring in unison.
* Hillary will suspend/end her campaign, probably through a dignified joint announcement with Obama, arms intertwined.
* Later in the week, once Hillary's suspended/ended her campaign, the rest of the scared little SD's will declar for Obama--except for a few from mad-for-Hillary areas who're convinced their constituents will kill them if they declare for Obama.

There will be an absolute minimum of drama from the Obama side. Despite how we all love how he has timed things, he's not about drama. He's a tough politician and he's got a big job ahead of him. Once the spotlight is off the Democratic campaigns, his chance for intense national coverage is gone until late July. He has to grab this week and use it skillfully.

As for suspending vs. ending Hillary's campaign, frankly I think it's better if she suspends it. That way she has time to convince her supporters to 'let her SD's go' so that their constituents don't feel abandoned. Because if they think they've been betrayed by the SD's, they're more likely to split off and abandon the party. Remember, most Hillary supporters aren't anti-Obama, so all she has to do is make it clear that he respects their support of her and welcomes them to the fold. Also, ending the campaign means swallowing the debts. Again, Obama isn't going to stiff her if he doesn't have to, and helping her out will make his good will real.

And there'll be no August surprise.

Can you tell I've been spending time over at The Field (http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/)? I still like the conversations here, but Al Giordano keeps us all in line when we start squawking and pulling our feathers out.

Newsweek, for one, is not buying Hillary's popular vote metric.

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/06/02/clinton-s-popular-vote-claim-close-but-no-cigar.aspx

I say 6 am on Wednesday we turn her over to TenaX for three days. If Tena can't straighten her out we can build duplicate White House in Hope and send her there. Then when she walks in with Bill we just lock the door.

how can obama expect hillary to concede? he has yet to apologise for all the hardship he has caused her. the personal financial debt. the bitterness of defeat. the humiliation of lost credibility. the loss of integrity. all because of his high and mighty campaign. who does he think he is. if he wants a concession...HE MUST APOLOGISE!