President Carter has it just right.

I love Rendell's honesty.

And Hillary's Congressional supporters have some fucking gall to think they have any say in who Obama picks as his VP.

Caroline to head up his Selection Committee? Teddy is sick and a Kennedy needs to be on board? Whats wrong with this picture.

Something that Hillary said last night, that appears to be getting no attention, but that I think is very important. Here is what she said:

"Now, the question is: Where do we go from here? And given how far we've come and where we need to go as a party, it's a question I don't take lightly. This has been a long campaign, and I will be making no decisions tonight.

But this has always been your campaign. So, to the 18 million people who voted for me, and to our many other supporters out there of all ages, I want to hear from you. I hope you'll go to my Web site at HillaryClinton.com and share your thoughts with me and help in any way that you can."

Keep in mind, this is the person who kept proclaiming that she would be ready from day one, and that she had crossed the Commander in Chief Threshold. So what does she do with the first big decision that she has to make.

She decides to go all American Idol on the decision and let the viewers decide. She is conducting an online poll to help her decide.

Imagine that. Is that what she considers taking charge and being a ready on day one leader.
To me it reveals the exact opposite. She just would not take ownership of the decision, and instead she copped out.

That is not what we should be hearing from a leader. That statement should disqualify her from being our VP candidate.

We do not need a national leader who is driven by some unscientific online poll.

Keep her off the ticket. She is not up to the task.

Earlier today, though, Rangel on MSNBC with Andrea Mitchell seemed really perplexed as to why she didn't concede. He said he was going to speak with her today to get a sense of what she was up to, and Andrea said "call me first!" It was pretty amazing.

Makes you wonder if Rangel's statement above happened after that phone call. Hillary must have told him to stay the course with this public VP campaign b.s. This is exactly what happened with DiFi. She basically called it over for Hillary post-IN/NC, but then the next day spoke with her and said she should continue on and has been one of the main voices calling for Hillary to be on the ticket.

Didn't read the thread - OT, but awesome

Read the front page. Obama just literally physically backed LIeberman into a corner and had a very serious discussion with him!

I don't know about y'all, but I have goosebumps. It's about fucking time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE me some Carter! Finally someone who will bluntly state the obvious!

EXACTLY! The ONLY way she should be allowed as VP is if she signs off on a full-on agreement to not upstage him, stab him in the back with a "Vote For Me in 2012" tattoo on her forehead AND keep Bill under control!

Oh wait, contracts Hillary signs don't mean squat to her after the fact - I forgot about MI and FL.

Pick who you want, Obama!!!!

No agreements, no nothing.

It's not happening and if Hillary really thinks she can intimidate Obama, she needs to get on the phone with Lieberman.

Obama is a gentleman, but I get the message - you don't push him too far.

Hillary Clinton has a disapproval rating, and an untrustworthy rating of over fifty percent. People do not vote for someone that they do not trust. KISS. She would be a drag on the ticket.

Folks: The more she campaigned the higher her disapproval ratings climbed. Putting Hillary on the ticket would drive Independents and Moderates over to McCain in the millions. Face the facts. She would ruin the ticket.

I give Charlie Rangel a LOT of leeway in his support of HRC because he invested in her early Senate campaign. I think he had to back her. At least he was not the embarassment that is Stephanie Tubbs Jones, ie Stubby. /eyeroll.

HRC's leverage isn't quite as huge as I think it is being reported. In a couple weeks most reasonable women are going to realize that John McCain will be appointing conservative judges. That's a deal breaker for logical people with wombs, I think.

Also, this search committee is Barack's way of communicating - silently and resolutely - that he will be choosing his own damn Veep, thank you very much. He's managed his campaign this way. Why talk when you can win? Why engage HRC, lend her credibility, when you can make her irrelevent. It's worked quite well for him thus far.

Is everyone forgetting how our government works?

If the Dems want their agenda to become reality, they absolutely need to quit raiding Congress for the Executive ticket. They will need all the firepower they can muster in the branch that matters if they want to withdraw troops, get health insurance reform, etc.

Hillary has much more power and influence in the Senate than as VP. This is about governing folks, not rewarding egos.

Another reason why Hillary should not be on the ticket. She voted for this, and tried her best not back away from that vote. Then she voted with Lieberman to green light the same for Iran.

"Also Wednesday, three U.S. soldiers were shot dead in northern Iraq, and the decaying bodies of at least 23 Iraqis were discovered in a shallow grave and a sewer shaft at separate sites near Baghdad.

The Americans were killed when gunmen opened fire on them in the northern Iraqi village of Hawija, according to a brief military statement.

The area, once a hub for Sunni militants and disaffected allies of Saddam Hussein, is thought to have been pacified in recent months. Last year it hosted one of the largest sign-on ceremonies for tribal sheiks partnering with U.S. forces to fight al-Qaida in Iraq.

The latest U.S. deaths brought to at least 4,090 the number of U.S. military personnel who have died in the Iraq war since it began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count."

I have to admit this guys is very appealing for VP....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Henry

I've always liked Warner, Kaine, and Graham. But, I don't know- this guy has cred too.

Surprised by Rangel's endorsement of Hillary as VP. He's usually so right on.

right on gdavis

the only (not)democrat we can lose for the vp nod in the legislature is that scumbag who was pushed up against a wall by our next president.

love love love that.

'bout damn time somewhat smacked that traitorous snake down...and that's disparaging reptiles and turncoats both.

I was really angry last night after watching HRC - But, now I believe she did Obama and his supporters a huge favor. She successfully sabotaged her political future by her 'speech' and demeanor, as well as ticking off many supporters (Political cohorts and voters). So, now I say, "Gee thanks Hill!"

I think Obama should tap Caroline Kennedy herself to run for vice president!

Her appeal is wide. It should draw some of the women to support him.

Most significantly, it'll focus the campaign for Democrats to unite.

Hillary is selfish and narcissistic. She's using "women's rights movement" to push her campaign forward. But truthfully, this campaign is really about her--Hillary Clinton (and not really women--making history.

I don't think Hillary will get the VP nod for one reason - she is too big a personality. Without trying, she will draw a tremendous amount of media attention away from the head of the ticket and every word she says will be parsed by reporters looking for differences with Obama. Almost all Vice Presidential candidates have been much lesser, even obscure, figures than the Presidential candidate for good reason.

Perhaps Hillary, in a last display of her usual campaign judgment, thought that, if she refused to concede and endorse, she could force herself on as v.p. by 'marketing' her concession.

Report is out there that she has put forth to Obama to offer her the VP and she'll refuse, but he has to give her his word that he won't ask another woman.
Also, it's now being reported that the VP's spouse has to be vetted also and that would include Bill divulging all his income sources and his donors for library.

I can't imagine what logic could bring one to select Senator Clinton for VP. From her first lady days, she was never really an attractive candidate to begin with-untrustworthy and elitist. As a presidential candidate, she proved herself to be completely for sale to the racist fraction of the electorate. Former President Clinton is a complete liability. Being so near Senator McCain's positions in the first place, she has little offer to Obama's campaign. What would be the draw? I don't get it.

I was basing my bewilderment with Rangel endorsing the idea of Hillary being VP, without knowing that he also voiced his concerns about what's up with Hillary in general.

As usual he is delightfully frank.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/06/rangel-clinton.html

Thanks, DaddyD. I realized that that was one line of reasoning but I still can't get my mind around it. I wonder how much the race card actually was a factor (sadly) in this election and that Hillary on the ticket won't change voters minds because their votes were actually against Obama, not for her. In the meantime, it does seem that there are some women who feel disenfranchised by this outcome. Are there no other women who could be his running mate? It seems as though this could diffuse some of the tension on that front.