Hillary Wins Puerto Rico
In what might be the last bit of even halfway-decent news for Hillary Clinton during this primary season, the major news organizations are all reporting that she has won the Puerto Rico primary by a very wide margin. No results are in yet, but initial exit poll results indicate her win could be by more than two to one.
However, this outcome is unlikely to really help her win the nomination. Although it might bolster her popular vote arguments, Puerto Rico is not a state and thus can't actually vote for president in the general election -- meaning that this result really has no bearing on the question of electability. And with only 55 total pledged delegates up for grabs here, even a landslide would hardly make a dent in Barack Obama's delegate lead.
Late Update: With 22% of precincts reporting, Hillary leads 67%-33%. Turnout has been very light, coming in steadily at about 15% of registered voters for the precincts that have come in. Should all these trends hold up, Hillary should get roughly a +18 delegate take from the territory, and about +100,000 on the popular vote.
Late Update: With 72% reporting, Hillary leads 68%-32%, with a raw vote lead of about 90,000 votes. If this holds up in the remaining precincts, her popular vote edge would be +130,000 for the territory.
Congrats Hillary.
June 1, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently, she'll win 70-30. Which will be a HUGE win.
June 1, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, Hillary will declare in her victory speech: Wherever PR goes so goes the nation.
June 1, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL
June 1, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
In celebration she has broken out her new light-turquoise pants suit.
June 1, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Puerto Rico will deliver as many electoral votes for the Democratic nominee this fall as Alabama, Alaska, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nebraska, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah & Wyoming combined.
June 1, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
What? Puerto Rico won't be delivering any electoral votes to anyone this fall.
June 1, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which means it will deliver as many electoral votes to the Democratic nominee as all of the other states I listed.
June 1, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nebraska, like Maine, awards electoral votes based on congressional district, with the overall state winner getting the two for the senators. There is a small, but non-zero, chance that a Democrat could win the district containing Omaha.
Obama wins Omaha '08!
June 1, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
if there weren't gerrymandering issues, electoral college delegates based on congressional district would be how i think all states should allocate.
June 1, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Constantine is referring to the Dem's nomination process and not the general election. Puerto Rico has 55 electoral votes in this primary and none in the general presidential election.
June 1, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotcha...I hear "fall" and I think November.
June 1, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nebraska will deliver at least one, no?
June 1, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You, however, forget that Nebraska can split it's electoral votes, and that it is likely Obama will win one or two out of our five.
June 1, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally. The road to the White House goes straight through San Juan.
June 1, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tell me again why caucus states don't count but Puerto Rico does?
June 1, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Coz, Hillary says so.
June 1, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
This should be asked, over and over and over and over.
HillaryClinton08? Gotalife? Why are the results from Puerto Rico, which is, let's be clear, not a state matter more than, for instance, the results from caucus states?
June 1, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Puerto Rico is not a state and thus can't actually vote for president in the general election
So. The Obamabots are trying to disenfranchise the people of Puerto Rico as well? Does their perfidy know no bounds?
Let every vote count!
June 1, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
WTF, how is this Obama supporters fault? Get real.
June 1, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
People. Have you ever heard of snark?
June 1, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, I didn't know it was a snark. My bad!
June 1, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Count for what?
Obama's going to be the nominee.
Deal with it.
June 1, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um. Snark, people. Obviously, neither of you have ever read anything by Mr. Berube. I don't think I've ever read a single sincere word from him (and I mean that in a nice way). :)
June 1, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think I've ever read a single sincere word from him
Oh, every once in a while I can be serious.
June 1, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
As my daughter would say:
"You snarky-butt!"
June 1, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lol. So you can. But even there, your tongue slips ever so effortlessly into your cheek occasionally. Funny line-
"Why her campaign chose instead to emphasize her crossing of the Commander-in-Chief threshold with McCain, and the 3 am phone call from the wolves in the forest..."
June 1, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yeah. I forgot about that line.
June 1, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
And: More importantly, if you have genes, or if someone you know and love has genes, you should be interested in genetic privacy
June 1, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
It does count. But, at this point, it will not make a difference in the outcome.
June 1, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's being sarcastic.
June 1, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're an Idiot. We disenfranchise PR in the General Election- collectively as a nation. Stupid lingo like Obamabots doesn't change that. If Hillary thinks PR is important- may be she should spend rest of her life fighting for PR to get them a couple of Electoral College Votes. But I'm sure the next time Hillary will visit PR is- NEVER.
Get a grip.....Morons and not some bloggers from the Hillary camp said 12 states with EC votes didn't matter. I'll give you this. When there is a contest you compete. She competed and won. So good for her. Don't showing fake love for PR...I'm sure you don't know a hell about PR other than that she needs there votes badly. And totally kissed their asses all last week.
June 1, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
So I'm an idiot and a moron, eh? Fine. Next you'll be telling me that Guam can't vote in the general, either. And then we'll see who the moronic idiot is!!1!1!
June 1, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
sorry I've never seen you before, hard to tell you were kidding.
June 1, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's some sort of uber celebrity in the liberal academic circles because he wrote a book about it.
June 1, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I prefer the term unter celebrity.
June 1, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
No problem, really.
Now, if you will simply join me and Harold Ickes in supporting Puerto Rican statehood! Let's see if we can get this done in the next five months or so.
June 1, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
At least he didn't call you a motard.
June 1, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michael: OK, some of us are not yet tuned into your humor. So sorry, snark away.
June 1, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the name "Michael Berube" didn't tip you off, the use of the word "perfidy" should have. It conjures images of Snidely Whiplash.
June 1, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
True, but face it, it is hard to stand on your head all day and not miss a few.
June 1, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, "perfidy" was supposed to be the giveaway. Thanks, Jenn!
Now I must go back to twirling my moustache.
Drat! And double drat! I forgot I shaved it all off last year. Muttley, you'll pay for this!
June 1, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
O hahahaha! Yourself, Berube!
You got me once and almost twice - not again.
June 1, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, there's this little thing called the constitution that stands in the way. Apparently the perfidious Founding Fathers were against Hillary too. Sexist jerks.
June 1, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops. Didn't catch the sarcasm at first. It just goes to show how we have gotten used to outrageous claims of outrage from Bills and Hills.
June 1, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally! And next time, I want every vote in the Federated States of Micronesia to count too! COUNT THE VOTES!
June 1, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now she knows how Ernst Rohm felt
Clinton to Be Offered Dignified Exit
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TRUTHOUT/~3/302466468/hillary-clinton-be-offered-dignified-exit
June 1, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
i have to laugh at the person who wrote this blog..... first they say that she would bet him by a net of 100,000 votes, then they change it to 130,000 votes.....
well 98% of the vote has been counted and hillary is currently betting him by a net of 138,359 votes
Clinton: 257,331
Obama: 118,972
when all the votes are counted i would say more like a net of 140,000 votes.
Hillary is winning the popular vote..... super delegates, please don't over turn the will of the people.
June 1, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is that with or without the 30,000 write in votes for Obama in WI that got thrown out since write ins weren't allowed? What about caucus states? Do they count less than the places that can't vote in the pres election? How are you counting FL- 1 or 1/2 vote per ballot? Do you give Obama any of the uncommitted in WI?
Maybe its a good thing we settle this by delegates because the vote thing is too screwed up to untangle.
June 1, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reality Check:
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton will win Puerto Rico's Democratic primary by a wide margin, CNN projects, giving her the larger share of the territory's 55 delegates.
As polls closed, it was too early to determine the exact margin of victory.
Clinton's campaign has been arguing that a landslide victory would push her ahead in the popular vote and help her convince superdelegates to pick her instead of Sen. Barack Obama.
To cross that threshold, she would need to win 65 percent of the vote with a turnout of at least 2 million people.
But Luis Hector, an elections official, said only 1.5 million ballots were printed and predicted turnout could be as low as 500,000 voters.
"Most people in Puerto Rico, I would venture to guess, they are not even aware that there's a primary going on," said Luis Pabón-Roca, a local political analyst.
He said the political atmosphere on the island this week is subdued compared to the fever that sweeps the island before local elections.
Some poll workers in small towns started abandoning the polling stations because turnout was so low, he said.
Part of the reason for the lack of interest, he said, is because voters feel the primary isn't meaningful since Puerto Ricans cannot vote in the general election.
June 1, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Part of the reason for the lack of interest, he said, is because voters feel the primary isn't meaningful since Puerto Ricans cannot vote in the general election.
That's exactly right, Puerto Ricans are very engaged politically when it comes to island politics, but their interest in, and knowledge about, mainland politics is spotty.
But based on the initial reports, the turnout is even lower than I would have expected.
June 1, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Hillary can run for president of Puerto Rico.
June 1, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Returns so far (9%) in suggest a total turn out of about 200K.
June 1, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
The popular vote arguement is invalid; we don't choose our candidate or president that way.
June 1, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Something Hillary can tell her grandchildren:
"I won Puerto Rico even though President Obama had the nomination sewed up."
June 1, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
But who would want to marry into that family, not to insult Chelsea, but wow, would scare the hell out of me.
June 1, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who the hell would want to have Michelle Obama as a mother-in-law?
June 1, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me.
She's awesome.
June 1, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me, too.
June 1, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me three.
June 1, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Count me in.
June 1, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another one.
June 1, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me six.
so Constaninople, WTF were you saying, anyway?
June 1, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think of her more of a wicked cool aunt. Or at least I would, if we weren't about the same age.
June 1, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love your avatar, John Bigbooty!
June 1, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's Bigboo-TAY, monkey.
June 1, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd let my daughter marry her :)
And that's monkey-girl, not monkey-boy!
June 1, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I'll see you and raise you this:
My sister is a town clerk in Massachusetts, and I would urge her to perform the ceremony between Michelle and your daughter. ;-)
June 1, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michelle's already married and MA doesn't permit polygamy.
June 1, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
(plus 'monkey-boy' was Lord John Whorfin's line)
June 1, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
WTF was Pippi saying, anyway?
June 1, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well there's 4 of you so far and only two Obama children (so far).
In the immortal words of Otter, some of you will have to share.
June 1, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm already married, and I'm a bit old for her kids anyway. Can I be adopted even if one of my parents are still alive? I'd go for that. What would that make my son, an adopted-in-law-like-granchild???
June 1, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama's first grandchild, but that might undercut the whole youth, change thing.
June 1, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, that would be great: he could pick up the grandpa and grandma vote.
June 1, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
We're up to 6 now, so unless polygamy becomes legal, someone of you will have to drop out in the interests of unity.
June 1, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
LMAO.
June 1, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are kidding, right?
June 1, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pippi,
If you toss a blanket ad hominem insult at that family you are disrespecting Chelsea. I don't think we need to demonize the bloodline.
June 1, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aside from the fact that Puerto Rico doesn't vote in the general, popular vote arguments are only going to be compelling to superdelegates when they relate to primaries that both candidates contested. Obama never put much effort into Puerto Rico. Clinton, Bill and Chelsea have spent a ton of time or money there, and everyone knows that. Obama just made one half-day stop on the island.
My wife is a native of Puerto Rico, and this is pretty much what we expected. A lot of people there still don't know anything about Obama.
June 1, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
My head is full of trivia about this campaign, but I read that Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea made collectively 15 visits to PR, not counting today. Not to take away from her victory, but this was a big, big opportunity for them to boost the popular vote myth. It has fallen short. Another trivia I read was that Hillary was expecting (hoping?) a turnout of 1.5 million. So far it looks like about 375,000.
Yes, if I were Hillary I would celebrate (a win is a win is a win), but as far as leap-frogging to the nomination, sadly no.
June 1, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. I sure hope Obama does better in Montana and South Dakota, because it's nowhere near as fun to win the nominee after a string of losses, even losses that don't count much.
Bueno for Hillary on her win... but I'm kind of worried about why they made SO many trips to PR. Do they know something we don't?
June 1, 2008 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear the Mojitos are FAB in PR.
June 1, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
You may be onto something. If I were them, I'd be turning to the demon liquor too.
June 1, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Name recognition triumphs over all in the primaries.
June 1, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
...yawn...
June 1, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another major thumpin.
June 1, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
And your last gasp.
June 1, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Trolls never die. They take new avatars, but they never die.
June 1, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Based on supernumerary posts, I'd say you spend all kinds of times thumpin'
June 1, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
oh my goodness - make the person stop - i'm laughing so hard i feel off my chair - i'm going to hurt myself
June 1, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
"unlikely" to really help her win the nomination."??
No, Eric. It "won't" help her win the nomination.
June 1, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Josh: I thought the same thing, odd wording in lieu of facts.
June 1, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's the problem when people report based upon emotion & not the reality on the ground.
Look at CNN. They're still talking about how important the popular vote is, becuase Clinton says o, yet it means nothing. They're supposed to be a news org, right?
CNN knows full well supers aren't being swayed at this point by that "notion" of Clinton, yet they still talk like it's a reality.
It's all about people being, or not being, capable of putting aside their wishes and reporting the realities.
June 1, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to say a couple of things though- I was dissappointed when he didn't campaign in KY and I'm dissappointed that he didn't try hard enough in PR. It has 50+ delegate and looks like she'll cash in 20+ delegates.
WV was useless....but KY and PR..Obama must have competed. That's my honest opinion.
June 1, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kash, she's going to net about 7 - 8 delegate from PR.
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1297
He's been pretty good.
June 1, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
His eye is on the General now, and I think that's appropriate. A couple of weeks ago, I was arguing that he should still be going full guns in the remaining primary States, but I've stepped back from that. It's all about the General now, and it's appropriate for his strategy to shift.
June 1, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. But what do I know? I was totally up in arms about the whole plagiarism charge, and look how relevant that turned out to be?
June 1, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eh, no big deal to me. These contests are not real elections in the legal sense. They are performed purely to select a candidate. McCain, for instance, has not been campaigning in his primary for a while now. Both he and Obama, appropriately imho, are focused on the GE from here on out.
June 1, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
"As Puerto Rico goes, so goes Saipan".
June 1, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!!!!
June 1, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can someone who has some insight into the machinations of the Democratic party explain why Puerto Rico, a territory that can't even vote in the GE, gets 55 delegates - more than several actual states that can vote?
June 1, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pandering to Puerto Ricans living in the mainland United States, just as the Republicans have pandered to Cuban refugees in FL for years now. Isn't politics beautiful?
June 1, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am no expert, but I believe that they were awarded extra delegates due to their contest being moved to the end of the calendar.
June 1, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I bet if we started all over, right now, knowing these candidates as we now do, HRC would not be even this close to Obama. And her popular vote thing is a joke. CA is much more favorable these days to Obama than HRC. She would lose CA today. Frankly, would she even win her own state, as she has alienated so many New Yorkers with her antics.
But I am glad in a way she is still being such an ass. Any SD's on the fence should shout out loud today their support for Obama.
June 1, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Terry McAuliffe:
Diarrhea of the mouth
Constipation of the brain.
June 1, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Puerto Rico is important because they represent a whole lot of Hispanic voters. Given the fact the voice of Hispanic dems in FL were cut in 1/2, one would think supers would care about this. Given the fact that Obama is the presumptive nominee and he is still losing states and territories by huge margins - embarrassing. Given the fact that the only racial category Obama is winning right now is Blacks and he is losing among hispanics, whites and asians AND losing the popular vote AND continuing to lose states and territories, would raise a question for me and I would hope most rational super dels...Can he win the general election?
June 1, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes he can.
June 1, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Captures ANOTHER Pyrrhic Victory!
Now that the race is all but over, Obama will skillfully reunite the Party to defeat McSame in November.
June 1, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yawn. Wake me up when dijamo stops talking.
June 1, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
PR means jacks shit. Get off your delusional pedestal and start facing reality.
Barack WON.
Hillary LOST.
IT'S OVER.
It's BEEN OVER since she didn't win TX & OH by 20 - 20%.
If you were intellectuality honest, you'd be able to see it and acknowledge it.
June 1, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
by 20 - 25%.
June 1, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who don't vote in the general election, of course.
Can you say "Oregon"? And "North Carolina"?
Do those white people in Oregon know this?
Yes.
June 1, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
This has been another installment of "Simple Answers to Stupid Questions"....
June 1, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Over all states he has lost the white vote, lost the Hispanic vote by an even larger margin and lost the Asian vote. The ONLY ethnic group he is winning is the black vote. That's all good in SC when 1/2 the democratic party is black resulting in a lopsided result. Sadly that just isn't going to happen in the general election.
Take a look at actual exit poll results by ethnicity for all states:
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:mv3-tHb0wGoJ:www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/exit-polls/race-ethnicity.html+usa+election+polls+ethnicity&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
los demócratas son jodidos
Translation: The democrats are screwed.
June 1, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please, don't respond to this idiot. There's really no point. Debating her is pointless, like talking to a voicemail system that is only programmed to respond in certain ways to what you're saying.
June 1, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can't...help...it...the ASIAN VOTE!? Really, c'mon. The Asian vote?! Well, lets pack it in, the Asian vote is lost, we simply can't win.
If Obama is screwed because he "only" got 50+% of the Democratic vote, then it would follow Clinton is really truly screwed because she got -50% of the vote.
Sorry, elvigy, I will try to honor such requests, but for fuck sake I couldn't help it...the Asian vote!? Conversation and debate with some Clinton supporters have really degenrated into nonsense, tomfoolery and plain ole-fashioned Shenanigans.
June 1, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wonderful - Asians don't matter either! Great big coalition you got there. That's going to really work out for us in November.
June 1, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're joking right? And where does this "either" tomfoolery coming from?
If you're asking whether I'd use the powerful Asian lobby and voting bloc to make a point? Absolutely not, it would make my candidate look desperate. Sheesh.
Even Clinton says he can win. Emphatically, in fact, "Yes. Yes. Yes" was her response to this question. Could she perform better? Maybe, maybe not. She had six months to convince us...she failed.
June 1, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I heart Hillary - really I do. But her biggest lie of this campaign was not the whole Bosnia thing. It was that she thinks Obama can win against McCain. I laughed for hours over that one. But what can I say? She said what she had to say because it's not in the interests of party unity to say hahahaha he has no shot in a public debate. What she's saying to the super dels is .... hahahaha he's got no shot. They can choose to listen or not to. At least they can't say they haven't been warned.
June 1, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
dijamo, dijamo. Your big complaint about obama is you think he's a fraud. Now you tell me you think Clinton biggest lie is telling the public something she doesn't believe. Your statement meaning she's lied more than once and those are nothing compared to this one. You don't see a problem.
Look, I can see you being combative, people haven't been very polite to you...actually, it looks like it's gotten down right nasty, but think it over. I don't think you believe that.
June 2, 2008 7:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Over all states he has lost the white vote, lost the Hispanic vote by an even larger margin and lost the Asian vote. The ONLY ethnic group he is winning is the black vote.
He's done quite well in a number of states with small to nonexistent black populations - primary states. Overall he may have not done quite as well as Clinton with whites, Hispanics, or Asians, but he must have done well enough to win. Now, unless you believe that every white, Hispanic, or Asian who didn't vote for him in the primary will also not vote for him in the general, which I have to say I would find a pretty depressing idea to have in my mind if I was a black woman, then your argument is woefully lacking in merit. Will some people not vote for him just because he's black? Certainly, just as some people would not have voted for Hillary just because she's female. But again, if I were a black woman making the argument that blacks shouldn't be nominated for the presidency because they can't win, I'd just go ahead and become a Republican already.
June 1, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not saying he can't be elected because he's black. I'm saying he's carrying the nomination because of massive support from one constituency of the democratic party (African Americans) voting for him in the 90% margin. Given some states like SC,LA, MS, NC and others African Americans make up 50% of the democratic primary voters, it artifically inflates his lead and he racks up delegates while not fully expanding his lead to other segments of the party.
Believe it or not, the 17 million people who voted for Hillary are not all rabid racists who won't vote for a black man. I vote for Hillary because I am a progressive liberal and her policies are MUCH more preferable than Obama's to me. I think she would be the better president. Is Obama better than McCain? Absolutely. But don't get lulled into this false sense of security and entitlement and pompousness that Barack Obama displayed when he said he could win all of Hillary's voters and the question was could she win his.
If you want to deny reality and say THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR BARACK OBAMA!!!!!!!!! and he doesn't face problems in the general election be my guest. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
June 1, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those other segments in some states. Not all. You started your argument off with a broad generalization (He's losing the white vote) that isn't supported by evidence.
June 1, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
WTF?
Here are the results from Oregon for white voters:
Clinton Obama
White 18-29 (11%) 28% 72%
White 30-44 (22%) 36% 64%
White 45-59 (29%) 45% 54%
White 60 and Older (22%) 50% 49%
What's that about losing the white vote? Huh?
HUH?
June 1, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
And, from the opposite side of the country, Virginia:
Clinton Obama
White Democrats (39%) 56% 44%
White Independents (16%) 33% 66%
Clinton wins among White Democrats. Obama wins among White Independents.
These results are from CNN.
June 1, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
What don't you get about OVER ALL STATES Obama has lost the majority of white voters by an average of 55% to 39%? What don't you get about the fact he has lost Hispanics by an average of 50% to 39%. You can cherrypick states all you want but overall it does not bode well for November especially since voters are continuing to vote against him even with the crown on his head from the media. And rather than acknowledging there's work to be done, you folks are just singing don't worry be happy. G'luck with that. Seems like great strategery to me.
June 1, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't see anyone singing anything around here. When you make a statement (he's losing the white vote) that's refuted by examining evidence from individual states, don't get irritated because someone calls you on it.
And if you want to argue that the vote of Puerto Rico says something about Hispanic voters, maybe you might want to look at previous elections, you know?
Or, you could just attack the other commenters as sitting around and singing.
June 1, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
When you take a statement out of context that I say like: "Over all states he has lost the white vote, lost the Hispanic vote by an even larger margin and lost the Asian vote" and disenfranchise the word "OVERALL" and claim that I meant Barack Obama lost the white vote in all states, then you are being either disingenuous or exceptionally stupid. I'm going to givce you the benefit of the doubt and say you are being disingenuous. You don't strike me as the dumb as a doornail type.
June 1, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think blaming the reader adds much to this discussion.
June 1, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
dijamo - the biggest flaw of all in your argument is the assumption that the results in the primaries between two historic candidates - a woman and an AA - will project themselves the same way in the GE. You have no basis to make such a claim. The vast majority of Democratic voters will support whoever the Democratic nominee is. Given the massive turnout in Dem primaries, the Dems would've given the Republicans a thorough whomping in November no matter who the candidate was.
BTW - if we used the same measure to gauge Clinton's electability, she's be in big trouble if she could only pull in 10% of the AA vote against McCain. But, of course, we know that 90% of AA voters wouldn't vote for McCain, right? By the same logic, we can easily determine that other Democrats from various demographics will also fall in line behind Obama.
The primaries were tryouts to select the QB to lead the Democratic team. We now have our QB. The team will get behind whoever the QB is because we want to win the actual game in November.
Which team are you on?
June 1, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
))))))))))))))-crickets-((((((((((((((
June 1, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
yup
June 1, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm just a long winded GOP troll, just like all Hillary supporters of course. So what does my opinion matter or whom I'll support in the general election matter to you?
But I would ask you to look at the exit polls. Every other year the party coalesced around the eventual nominee. Not happening. Hillary supporters are turning away from Obama in greater numbers. Can the party be reunified? Perhaps - but the bullshit that happened in the RBC committee pissed off A LOT of Hillary supporters, myself included. If the DNC wanted unity and the Obama campaign wanted unity they should have resolved MI & FL in a way that was fair to both campaigns. They did not.
Hispanic voters in FL? Highly pissed at Obama due to his stance on Cuba and his foreign policy stances. Is it so impossible to believe Hispanics may swing to McCain - a republican who is not from the Tancredo round em up ship em out wing of the republican party? Someone who exercised political courage in trying to bring about amnesty in a bipartisan fashion versus Obama who preaches about reaching across the aisle but has precious little to actually display his uniter credentials? The Hispanic vote is not a gimmie. They represent more people in this country than African Americans. To just pretend that poof after the campaign ends the party will once again be whole seriously underestimates the amount of work Obama will have to do to EARN the votes of Hillary supporters - not just expect them to bow down and subjugate themselves to his Highness.
But what do I know I am just a long winded GOP troll. Continue your dialogue in the echo chamber. I'll converse with others who are a bit more mature than you and recognize it is in fact possible to not bow down at the feet of the messiah Obama and still retain your democrat card.
June 1, 2008 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you're not a troll, then stop acting like one. Look at the company you keep: you make the same exact arguments as gotalife - someone WE KNOW is a Republican.
Nobody is asking you to bow down. We're asking Democrats, progressives - which you don't appear to be - to start to focus on the real game in November. Hillary lost. So did Biden, Kucinich, Edwards, and all the others. We don't hear them whining and complaining. No amount of protestation and whining is going to change the outcome - that's a political REALITY. Game over.
Are you a Democrat? Are you worried about an extension of the Bush policies via McCain? Really? Then it's time to move on. It's time to rally around the candidate that's going to win the nomination: Obama. Your talk serves no purpose other than to undermine Obama's campaign. If your so worried about Obama not winning in November, then send him some money and get to work convincing latinos - or whoever - to vote for him.
If you don't want to see more radical conservatives on the supreme court - the effects of which will last 20-30 years - if you want to end the war in Iraq and avoid a war with Iran, if you want any kind of healthcare reform AT ALL, if you want a more open government, if you want action taken on global warming, then it's time to move on. These issues are far more important than Hillary Clinton and her aspirations, more important than having our first female president and, frankly, even more important than anyone's opinion - right or wrong - about what has come to pass in MI and FL. (The primaries were flawed, and nobody will ever put that Humpty-Dumpty back together again.) Get over it! There are far more important issues at stake, and it is time for Democrats to get their shit together and win in November.
Are you committed to a Democrat winning in November or not? If so, then start acting like it, instead of some long-winded Republican pretender troll.
June 1, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm saying he's carrying the nomination because of massive support from one constituency of the democratic party (African Americans) voting for him in the 90% margin. Given some states like SC,LA, MS, NC and others African Americans make up 50% of the democratic primary voters, it artifically inflates his lead and he racks up delegates while not fully expanding his lead to other segments of the party.
Well, given that African Americans are the single largest voting bloc in the Democratic Party, comprising about 1/3 of all voters who identify themselves as Democrats, I think a candidate who can energize them is a good thing. No Democratic nominee has made it to the White House in 40 years without the energized support of African Americans. No one is really expecting ANY Democratic nominee to win SC, LA, or MS...but if these special elections and some of the polls we're seeing are any indication, it could happen. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Obama is going to win the thing in a cakewalk. I guess most of us just recoginize that the hard-core racists who simply won't vote for someone based on ethnicity aren't a majority in any age group other than 60+. Given that the old coots are not that far removed from shuffling off this mortal coil, they can afford to vote based on their racism...they'll be dead by the time everything falls apart. I don't think people younger than that will be thinking in the same way. And don't kid yourself - the usual Republican tricks aren't going to work this time around. Obama has shown himself to be more than capable of knocking them down, and quickly.
June 1, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you, dijamo, depite your obvious qualifications to be president, would have lost PA and WV with HRC calling attention to the color of your skin. Just sayin'.
Simply because there are people willing to vote against Obama because of his skin color doesn't mean we shouldn't nominate a candidate with dark skin.
For that matter, one who wears pantsuits should not be disqualified on gender, either.
Now, explain again why Obama is the presumptive nominee even though Hillary is kicking his ass?
June 1, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow possibly the most ignorant comment I've ever read. Are you saying the voters in PA & WV were not AWARE of the Obama's skin color prior to Hillary mentioning that she is winning the white blue collar vote as well as Hispanics, asians, older voters etc etc etc. Guess what anyone who was not going to vote for Obama based on his skin color didn't need Hillary's urging.
She wasn't arguing on color - she was arguing on a cross section of race and class and there is a strong group of Reagan Dems who are not buying Obama and the reason is not based solely on race. He's doing fine with the latte liberal crowd. It's that he doesn't even repsect them enough to talk to them without talking down to them. And you continue to disrespect them when you say they are not voting for Obama based on race. Why not at least acknowledge many of these folks were doing better in the 1990s and Hillary speaks to their bread and butter issues with true universal healthcare, a more vigorous foreclosure prevention policy and belief that she has the knowledge to turn us around on the right economic track? But no - let's right these folks off because as Plouffe said the democrats don't need the reagan democrats to win. Good luck with that! Worked out real well for John Kerry.
Yes the president who opened up his pesidential office in Harlem is a rabid racist because he dared compare Obama's campaign to Jesse Jackson who came in second in 1988 with 30% of the democratic vote and winning 15 primary/caucus contests. How dare he invoke Jesse Jackson - that's such an insult! I should expect any future female campaigns will be compared to HRC and rightfully so because as an African American woman I know I have the opportunities I have because of the people who paved the way before me.
I hope eventually the democratic party can come to its senses and get over the Clinton hate to acknowledge Bill and Hillary and not the Grand Master and Grand Mistress of the Klan as the Obama supporters have made them out to be. If not, I would hope the democratic party and Obama campaign have the decency not to expect these despicable racists come out to campaign on Obama's behalf.
June 1, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think the Clintons are racists. I think it's obvious they took advantage of others' racism, as in "hard working white voters."
I am sick of the demographics, dijamo. It's all we've heard from the media and your candidate has played it up at every opportunity.
June 1, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're a dumb joke, that's what you're. When was the last time you stood up for something in PR? She's my Senator in New York, I have never heard Hillary utter the PR- NEVER. DOn't kid yourself... if a pig's ass helped her popular count, she would kiss it in public.
By the let me know- what new testament said about PR- because appparently you think Bible has all the answers- if you take out the Old Testament.
I'll give you this- she won delegates- that matters. Nothing in PR has to do with GE.
Your stupid unimaginative after-the-event arguments expose your constrianed cognizance pretty much every time yousay something.
June 1, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tell her how you really feel!
[big evil grin]
June 1, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is respose to Dijamo
June 1, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, as your Senator, how do New Yorker's feel about her these days?
June 1, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
As NYer, I want her primaried! I want her career to come to a swift end.
She had run the most despicable, vile, racist campaign. That was supposed to happen from the a Dem, it was expected from the repubs.
She's doesn't deserve to serve NY or Democrats.
Just my humble opinion.
June 1, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Meant: That wasn't supposed to happen from the Dems...
June 1, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Embarrased.
June 1, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
same here. she went against the wishes of her very blue state in supporting the iraq catastrophuck. presidential politics, nothing more. phuck her. better yet, primary her.
June 1, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
lol...sorry for all the typos and missing votes.
June 1, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Darlin, I don't think half the Hispanic voters in Texas ever heard of Puerto Rico.
I don't think there is any identity between Puerto Rico and any of the predominantly Hispanic states.
Zero - zilch. They could not care less who PR voted for.
June 1, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alright, Tena...you beat me to my point (see my post below). And you made it in far less words than I used.....
June 1, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
First off, she's not winning the popular vote. When you spout crap like that you lose whatever small amount of credibility you might still have around here.
Second, as an Hispanic, let me say that Puerto Rico is not in any way representative of Hispanic voters any more than Cubans, Mexicans, or Peruvians are. Hispanics are NOT a large homogenuous group - Hispanics consist of Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Central Americans, Southern Americans, etc. not to mention 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc., generation Hispanic-Americans - most of these groups are far different culturally from one another and have little, other than language, in common. Please try not to generalize.
June 1, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever. What'd you do with Einstein???????
June 1, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
As much as I love Albert, I decided it was time to give a little shout-out to the sister scientists! Marie Curie - now she could tell Hillary a thing or two about being a woman in a man's world.
June 1, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have to admit, I like the change.
June 1, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks!!!
June 1, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought Clinton already was radioactive at TPM.
June 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes but you speak from authority that I don't have and I thank you for your compliment.
June 1, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks - I am well aware of the geogrphic and cultural diversity among Hispanics. Here's a shocker. Nationally Hillary has won 58% of the Hispanic vote. A larger percentage than she has won among white voters actually. So what is your argument again? Thanks for your input.
June 1, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
My argument is that you spouting statistics about her winning Hispanics doesn't mean crap...much like most of your other points.
June 1, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you were "well aware" of anything about the Hispanic vote, you wouldn't have opened your comment with this chestnut:
June 1, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh my bad. Puerto Ricans are no longer Hispanics. It was the last sizable hispanic population for Obama to prove he's made some inroads with Hispanic voters. He's the presumptive nominee and 33% is the best he can do? Yikes. November is going to be UGLY and the next 4 years under President McCain will be even uglier. At least Senator Kerry can feel better than the democrats were even BETTER positioned than in 2004 to take back the presidency and Obama will lose by a much wider margin than he did.
June 1, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/06/what-does-today.html
Just sayin'...
June 1, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
PR is not the only place where Hill's strength with Hispanics has been demonstrated. It's been consistent across the various Hispanic groups across the country. You don't resolve a problem by closing you eyes ad refusing to acknowledge that it ecists. Which is exactly why Obama went down to the Cuban community and "clarified" about not being willing to meet with Castro unless there is demonstrable movement towards democracy and he'll only meet at a time and place of his choosing? Changing his views based on an epiphany about his new foreign policy stance or political pandering to Hispanic voters. OHHH so hard to tell. Something tells me the Cuban americans see right through his toro mierda. Adios Florida.
June 1, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you think the hispanic vote will go to McCain if Obama is the nominee? (See my full response upthread.)
June 1, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry to have to tell you this but I think you are a troll.
June 1, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Googling shit doesn't make you "well aware."
June 1, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
;)
June 1, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obviously, she has problems with white voters.
June 1, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
THANK YOU! I'm so done with people talking about Latinos as if we all vote one way or as if we (even generally speaking) won't vote for an African American candidate. It's utter nonsense. The Republicans have turned off most of us with all their race baiting and demonizing of immigrants, not to mention their failed policies (on a range of issues that have nothing to do with immigration). To somehow suggest that Latino support for Clinton wouldn't translate to Obama support in a general election is ridiculous.
June 1, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think its a mistake to classify Puerto Ricans living in Puerto Rico simply as "hispanics" in the same way as one would all of the people of Latin American origin living in the US states, or to regard their attitudes as representative of US hispanics as a whole. Puerto Rico is culturally its own country in all but legal status. Its politics is dominated by concerns peculiar to the island itself, and the people there take only a sporadic and highly selective interest in mainland US politics and affairs.
June 1, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly so.
And first and foremost, Hispanics in the States are pretty solid Democrats and will vote accordingly.
June 1, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, PR is an interesting case. I just heard on one network that the main reason Clinton won was because of her celebrity -- a huge number had no opinion about Obama. And fearers of a loss of the hispanic vote, no need to get your knickers in a twist about the Empire State. We proud New York Staters -- from the "beer drinkers and wick eaters" of Buffalo to the spidi eaters of the Southern Tier to the proud "arroz con pollo" loving NeuYorkricans of NYC will seal and deliver this state for the Obama man in November!
June 1, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton wins Puerto Rico's Beauty Contest.
Doctors without Borders recommend vision screenings for all Puerto Ricans who cast votes for Hillary.
June 1, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boy, MIchael Berube - you don't lose your touch.
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!
June 1, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's so funny and SANE! I wish he'd post more often.
June 1, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
i am watching MSNBC's coverage. Firstly, Norah is very beautiful, secondly, will someone tell Pat Buchanan to shut up.
June 1, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geez Pat.
Get your own freakin' show if you want to talk all the time, and interrupt everyone.
What an ass.
June 1, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is only one sentence in your entire post that reports the good news for Hillary without including negative qualifiers. Thank you for that one sentence. We already know all the rest. Don't worry. If you just report the good news for Hillary her supporters won't go on a rampage and start insisting that Obama has lost the nomination. It won't go to our heads. I think at this late stage of the game you can afford to just report that Hillary is winning Puerto Rico and leave it for your readers to fill in all the so whats.
"No results are in yet, but initial exit poll results indicate her win could be by more than two to one."
June 1, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear a tiny violin, a tiny viola and a tiny alto cello playing a tiny little valse triste for you, Otto.
LOL!
June 1, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
What?! No 2nd violin? How the hell can you play "My Heart Bleeds for You" with only a trio?!
Jeez, what's the world coming to when hard workin' trolls can't even get a quartet fadeout?
June 1, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
IT'S OVER.
SHE LOST.
Stop being intellectually dishonest.
June 1, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reporting without context... I like your thinking!
June 1, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Still a relatively Troll-free thread.
Or do they only come out at night?
June 1, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
As Tena would say - don't invoke. ;)
June 1, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Update daily kos:
Update: Update from Rosello:
I saw exit polls going 70-30... my guess is that it will be tighter than that. 60-40 perhaps. Still lines, and still people voting ... this was late surge election, thus we need to wait an see what those last minute voters had to say.
June 1, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exit polling from Puerto Rico shows that 97.3% of those who voted for Senator Clinton said that they did so in the hope that by doing so it would make Hillary, Bill, and Chelsey stop bothering them, STFU, and go back to New York, so that they would not have to see or hear from them ever again. The voters called it: Giving those annoying pests what they want, so that maybe we can resume our normal lives.
June 1, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
O how come I didn't get that option on my ballot in the primary?
Dayum! LOL!
June 1, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's leave Chelsea out of this; she can't help who her parents are! ;)
June 1, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
So What?
She never rejected and denounced them.
June 1, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am sooo sick of listening to buchanan saying that there is something wrong with obama and why he can't win certain demographics, including hispanic votes in this primary. He keeps saying why and implies that there is a problem. Well the answer is simple and the problem is one word "clinton." Talk about a brand name. Give me a freaking break. If her last name was koslowski or smith or hoffenberg, she would have been out of the race long ago. The reason she keeps winning is because of the word clinton and nothing more. People still think that they are voting for mr. bill. Give me a gd break.
The general election will be completely different. Obama has to run against the mccain brand which equals the allegation of him being a maverick. He has to debunk that, but mccain won't carry any of the demographic groups that the clinton brand carries.
June 1, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
i think it bothers Pat Buchanan to see that Hillary and Barack has gone a lot further in their first attempted run at the W.H. than he ever did in his 3 tries.
June 1, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll never forgive Pat for the great fountain of hate he spewed forth at the Repug National Convention. He is hate personified.
June 1, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pat Buchannan is a gotalife version for the network TV- a total ass and completly useless. Only republicans can produce such junk.
June 1, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama followers like you are what have been divisive in this campaign.
And people like you and that priest at Trinity that caused Obama to resign from there...
are why I will never vote for Obama.
June 1, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh BS. You were never going to vote for him, anyway.
June 1, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great. You'll be able to comfort yourself with your purity when you lose your job, your house is foreclosed, and you find yourself living in the alley behind Denny's subsisting on "Two Moons over MyHammy" leftovers from the dumpster under the glorious reign of President McCain.
June 1, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
NellMc: Lots of people will vote for one candidate or an other. It happens in all elections. Get over yourself. You just are not that important. Many millions of people will vote for Senator Obama, and many millions will vote for Senator McCain. We will get over not getting your vote. Adios.
June 1, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I will never vote for Obama.
Then go enlist in the army so you can report to Iraq, you foul little turd.
June 1, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is the greatest, strongest argument: Because of some obnoxious people on the internet, you hope that McCain helps continue the Bush Era.
June 1, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are all of Hillary supporters such children?
June 1, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ummm...no one answer that.
June 1, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
You were fully intending to vote for McCain anyway. Who are you kidding?
June 1, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
The stench of Grandpa Simpson is all over that one!
June 1, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just pretend that it is MI. and give Obama
these delegates as well so we can get this thing over with.
June 1, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Puerto Rico and a dollar won't buy you a tube of hemorrhoid cream.
Believe me. I've tried!
June 1, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
funniest line of the post so far.
June 1, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I gotta admit, some days I'm just here to read Lamont!
June 1, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes, funniest comment on thread ... so far. (heee.)
June 1, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barack just said McCain was running for Bush's "fourth term." Small mistake, no worries, but I hate when those little things happen.
June 1, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
to be fair it does seem like Bush is in his thrid term already
June 1, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
True enough.
June 1, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someone just passed out in the crowd. Barack stopped his speech, made sure she got help and told the crowd to go get in the shade and get some water if they needed it.
Just a brief glimpse of the real man, I think.
June 1, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Was she talking in tongues too? COOL!
June 1, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of talking in tongues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s
June 1, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fuck, that video is hilarious.
June 1, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL
Was that Geraldine Ferraro's twin sister separated at birth?
June 1, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, but she didn't have her head up her ass.
June 1, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mean people suck.
June 1, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I TOTALLY agree. Given the amount of insults you've hurled at me without me responding in kind and attacking you, I'd hope you can look in the mirror and acknowledge how much you truly suck.
June 1, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Given the amount of insults you've hurled at me without me responding in kind and attacking you, I'd hope you can look in the mirror and acknowledge how much you truly suck."
I understand we don't have a preview function, but do you even proofread your posts before you hit send? How is telling someone they "truly suck" not attacking or responding in kind?
June 1, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Au contraire. She said mean people suck. She is mean. Therefore she is acknowledging that she sucks. How am I responding in kind? Just acknowledging the obvious.
June 1, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
With that sort of twisted logic, I now understand how you're a Clinton supporter.
June 1, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dijamo's a troll. Long-winded for a troll, but a troll nonetheless.
June 1, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think there are multiple people posting under her avatar - her language and spelling are not consistent. I have engaged in previous discussions where the poster was not nearly as coherent as this version.
June 1, 2008 11:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not twisted logic - it is ACTUAL logic
A (mean people) = B (suck)
C (Aubie84) is a subset of A (mean)
C (Aubie84) = B (sucks)
June 1, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just for that...
I'm NOT going to vote for Hillary.
It's ALL YOUR FAULT.
June 1, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
We don't always agree, dijamo, but I've got to say... hee!
And that, ahem, people have passed out listening to Bill Clinton too, of course.
But hee :-)
June 1, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um... the "hee" was for the speaking in tongues comment. Just FYI....
June 1, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sprry, but this happens at every rally. Even I am beginning to believe it is a plant.
June 1, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You'd expect another candidate to do a Blood-and-Guts Patton and slap her around?
June 1, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
That would be cool.
June 1, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Only in caucus states.
June 1, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Obama is thinking about his second term already
June 1, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's pretty standard for Presidential candidates to refer to their first term.
Not too many of them are going to say something like:
June 1, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
What?
June 1, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I meant to say it's pretty common for Presidential candidates to imply a second term by discussing what they play to do in the first term.
June 1, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you think McCain will jump on it like Obama jumped on his troop level mistake?
My friends, Senator Obama today said that I'm running for President Bush's 4th term. Let me be clear, President Bush has only served two terms; I am running for his third term and if I survive we'll talk about his fourth."
June 1, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
June 1, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude! You forgot the "Thank you." And, somewhere, somehow, you have to weave in the "facts on the ground."
June 1, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would if I were McCain. It might redirect some of the criticism against him and paint Obama as exceedingly ambitious.
June 1, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I missed the joke. Funny.
June 1, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seems to me like he's on drugs. He also thinks the United States has 57 states. Some drugs make you very bad with numbers if you take them long enough.
June 1, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just for THAT...
I'm NOT going to vote for Hillary.
It's ALL YOUR FAULT.
June 1, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he was adding-up all the Bush terms from Bush I & Bush II: Electric Boogaloo.
June 1, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aubie84 - given McCain predicts under his administration, we'd see an end to the violence in Iraq by 2013, the 4th term actually fits.
June 1, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aubie84 - given McCain predicts under his administration, we'd see an end to the violence in Iraq by 2013, the 4th term actually fits.
June 1, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ooooh, look at that - I cloned myself. Now I can vote twice!!! Wooohoooo!!!
June 1, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
From the NYT: "He (Obama)has won only 6 of the 13 Democratic contests held since March 4, drawing 6.1 million votes, compared with 6.6 million for Mrs. Clinton."
Obama peaked months ago and it's all downhill from here to November. When will Democrats stop losing by nominating the weakest candidate? It's as if some Democrats realized how easy it would be to beat the Republicans this year, so they went out and found the weakest possible candidate: An anti-American black man with no experience and the most liberal voting record in Congress. What a party of losers.
June 1, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for that unsolicited and unsupported bit of drivel.
Now, go back under your bridge.
June 1, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another ad hominem attack by an Obama supporter who can't face the facts:
From the NYT: "He (Obama)has won only 6 of the 13 Democratic contests held since March 4, drawing 6.1 million votes, compared with 6.6 million for Mrs. Clinton."
June 1, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay...I've faced the facts. Too bad for Hillary the primary didn't start on March 5th.
June 1, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad for the Democratic Party and America.
June 1, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just for THAT...
I'm NOT going to vote for Hillary.
It's ALL YOUR FAULT.