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Hillary Spokesperson: "She Is Not Seeking The Vice Presidency"

The Hillary camp -- perhaps sensing that all the calls from Hillary supporters for her to be made Veep are now hurting more than helping -- moves to distance itself from all such efforts by sending out this statement from Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson...

"While Senator Clinton has made clear throughout this process that she will do whatever she can to elect a Democrat to the White House, she is not seeking the vice presidency, and no one speaks for her but her. The choice here is Senator Obama's and his alone."

This was probably made necessary by the fact that VoteBoth, a group devoted to bringing about an Obama-Hillary ticket, announced today that senior adviser Lanny Davis had joined its effort.

Of course, it's perfectly likely that figures like Davis -- and many other Clinton supporters calling for her to be made Veep -- are acting independently here. The problem, however, is that it doesn't look like this is the case. And that's the rub, since any perception that Hillary is trying to force Obama's hand through whatever channels only makes the possibility that he'll offer the slot to her more remote.


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I think its a good time for a good prolonged auditioning contest for veep. Get them all to campaign fiercely for him over the next couple of months.

Eh... too sinister.

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One of the most satisfying aspects of Barack Obama's victory Tuesday is that Lanny Davis will eventually drop from the spotlight.

I look forward, enthusiastically, to that moment.

With you on that! Every time I see him, I feel ashamed to be from Maryland.

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Lanny's from Maryland?

I just assumed that he sprouted, full grown, and old, from some briefcase in some law office....

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LOL.

All this grasping for the VP position, I just don't get it. The VP is a token, figurehead position not much more.

Clinton would be much better served taking over as a bulldog in the Senate ala Ted Kennedy. If she must get a cabinet position, which I personally wouldn't be against, let it be Health and Human Services, now that Dean is fully entrenched at the DNC.

Three letters: R F K

Well.... then there is this.....

Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota has no interest in the vice presidency or in serving as chief of staff if Democratic Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois is elected president, but sources say he is interested in universal health care and might relish serving as HHS secretary.

Daschle, an early and ardent backer of Obama's bid for the White House and a key player in President Clinton's push for universal health care in 1993, told CongressDaily he hopes he "can be helpful, perhaps in a prospective Obama administration, on healthcare reform" and added that he would be "interested in finding ways to do that."

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congressdaily/cda_20080605_5814.php

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Tom Daschle? You're nuts, just when he's picking up speed you want him to grab an anchor?

Hey, I'm really of no opinion here. Don't know much about Daschle. Just saw it, saw it referred to HHS and thought I'd post it.

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Yes it is, which is why I've never gotten too excited about candidate's running mates - unless I absolutely hate them - and I hated Lieberman and Clinton would be a disaster.

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O and Dan Quayle.

I thought Dan Quayle was the single worst idea any candidate ever had - worse even than Lieberman.

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Dick. Cheney.

I knew he was bad news from the moment he picked himself for the spot.

Dan Quayle was lame, but completely harmless.

Dick Cheney OTOH, undeniabley the most complete and utter nightmare we could have ever imagined.

Hey, don't forget the incomparable Admiral Stockdale, Ross Perot's "running mate" in 1992. ("Who am I? And Why am I here?")

Dare I say Gerry Ferraro?

The fact that she was a woman was good but otherwise...not so much.

She set the cause of successful women candidates back at least 20 years.

"While Senator Clinton has made clear throughout this process that she will do whatever she can to elect a Democrat to the White House, she is not seeking the vice presidency, and no one speaks for her but her,
and me,"
Howard Wolfson, one of the campaign's chief strategists, said in a statement provided to The New York Times.

There's really a certain amount of irony in Clinton's spokesman coming out and sayin "no one speak for her but her."

She can't openly seek the vice presidency since that would make the embarrassment all the more public when she's told "hell no".

Exactly - yesterday it finally got through to her that, no, she wasn't everyone's hero and they weren't all desperate to make her president or vice-president no matter what. A few more interventions like yesterday's and she'll realize exactly what she's done to the party and her reputation over the last few months.

Much better to plot, grasp and claw for it behind the scenes, a la Machiavelli.

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Okay, last time I'll post this, but this is just too damn funny.

McCain said, "We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DqR7zis99I

My question; why does the GOP have dehydrated babies? Shouldn't they freeze dry them and then add water whenever it is convenient?

Now, about Hillary Clinton and the VP spot; forgetaboutit. It will not ever, never, not in a millio years, happen. all the navel gazing we do about this is pointless. The Clinton's can't survive the vetting process and Obama WILL vet his VP choice! End of discussion.

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bring hot bottled water to dehydrated babies.

Sort of like how you bring hot water to instant potatoes to make fake potatoes?

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Yep.

I love Jedreport, too funny.

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In McCain's world:

Black babies in New Orleans = Sea Monkeys™.

Lanny Davis joining VoteBoth was not very auspicious.

Typical Clinton chaos. These folks couldn't organize an orderly picnic, much less a weel-run campaign.

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Clearly she has been pushing for this for at least a month, with Bill doing behing the scenes pressuring. It's another instance of the campaign overreaching and playing its cards poorly.

Joseph --- the reason she wants the VP job is that it carries a ton of perceived prestige, even if doesn't carry a lot of inherent authority. In addition, HRC would be the first female VP; those types of things matter to her. She also would probably want to play a Dick Cheney role -- i.e., to weild a lot of power behind the scenes -- rather than a Dan Quayle role.

Also, she'd be "waiting in the wings" in case anything, um, untoward happened to the CIC. (Hey, "rank opportunist" is just another word for "well prepared," no?)

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As I've written in a blog entry here at TMPCafe and Dkos, I'm of the opinion that a President Obama would be very smart to publicly offer Mrs. Clinton the VP slot during the Denver convention. He should do it in a way as to make *certain* she accepts.

And then once they take their respective oaths of office, President Obama should close the Vice President's office in the White House and send her off to the Eisenhower building dungeon.

Let her spend her time attending perfunctory events such as funerals for heads of state who have passed away, ribbon cutting ceremonies, and irrelevant photo-ops. While she's doing that, she won't be spending time in the Senate attending and voting in committee and sub-committee hearings. She won't be sponsoring popular legislation which would keep her in the news.

Instead, she'd be doing *nothing*. And, along the way, her power would wane. Without face time on television, who would care about Mrs. Clinton? Without her senate seat in NY, who would care about Mrs. Clinton? Why, we'd get a new Democratic senator from NY while at the same time keeping Mrs. Clinton on-hand for the occasional tie-breaker vote in the Senate.

It's perfect. Thus, I say: Hillary Clinton for Vice President!

You do not seem to understand that the VP is the President of the US Senate, and gets to cast all tie breaker votes.

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Oh I most definitely do understand that fact. What VPs do not do, however, is join committees and sub-committees. They do not engage in debate. And they most definitely don't sponsor legislation.

The VP might - on occasion - submit a tie-breaker vote. But beyond that, the VP is not a senator and does not enjoy the privileges thereof.

Greg, didn't you just a different version of this song and dance earlier?

Dude, Hillary will NOT be VP... no matter how hard she tries to convince you she doesn't want it.

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The ineptitude of the Clinton's continues, and shows how hollow their mythic political accumen really was/is.

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Boy, you said it. Starting with that tonedeaf "victory" speech on Tuesday, and continuing on.

Bill won't release information about his library. Hillary's CIC remark. The Veep spot isn't going to be offered to her, no matter how strongly her lunatic fringe keeps pushing it.

And the very act of pushing it further decreases her chances.

And the Clintons are masters of the Democratic Party? That says ALOT about where the party has been, doesn't it?

And the Clintons are masters of the Democratic Party? That says ALOT about where the party has been, doesn't it?

It explains a great many things, such as why impeachment was off the table. Nevermind the votes, Clintonian politics relies on obfuscation, so there is no institutional instinct to speak the truth, even if you're right, and your seat is safe.

However, the next Congress will not be the same one granted power in 2007. Obama flushed out the entrenched entitled core of the dem party, and sent them packing, though she had to pack in a hurry. A lot of baggage, you know.

Without Obama, we would have been soooooooooo horesfuckered...

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They are terrible politicians - it has finally sunk in on me. Bill won because of Bill - he had loads of charisma and he was running against a recession and George Bush, Sr. who had to run against Ross Perot.

The Clintons are not what I thought they were- they are not good campaigners and not very good politicians in general.

I think they were good in the 90's. Not so much in 2008. Just look at Bill calling YouTube viral videos "movies".

They ran this campaign like it was the 90's, among other problems.

I agree. I would say that Bill was a much better politician than his wife. Although he didn't do so well as the Her Man Friday of this cluster*uck of a campaign.

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I was coming to this conclusion also.
Tonedeaf, HamHanded, Rude, Condescending, Entitled, Out Of Touch....are they Dems? I think they were once. Like most in their shoes (successful progs) they are prone to being seduced by the money and power. I don't think it is idealism that grew into desperation nor miscalculations guided by Legacy Panic....I believe it is idealism subsumed by money and power and ego.
She is no longer a dem, a progressive, or a liberal.
And she no longer is even just a plain, fine person.
She is in bed with all the corporations, corp. media, and insurance companies, weapons-defense types, etc. And still a Liberal?
I never understood how at least half of the Dem party seemed to think she was still on our team.
And Bill is basically swinging Ch eney-like deals
all over the globe...the global drain-america economy he helped forge.

Oh, and as far as hurting her VP chances, that horse already left the barn!

If she didn't want to ruin her VP chances:
- graciously concede on this past Tuesday night
- don't let any surrogates try to bully Obama on it

Too late now. She's screwed this up, like everything else.

For someone who used to be known for having impeccable control over messaging, Hillary has apparently lost any control of her campaign, surrogates or supporters, it is like chaos coming out of there.

What a mess.

It was fascinating to watch the campaign come unglued over the course of the last month, wasn't it?

Her campaign became unglued after Iowa. New Hampshire was a glimmer of hope shattered by Super Tuesday. After that it was all downhill/uphill -- a roller coaster -- but never recoverable.

In truth her campaign went terminal from the very first contest -- Iowa. Plan A was that it would be over by Super Tuesday, and there simply was no Plan B.

Obama knows this, which is why he went back last week for thank the people of Iowa. He said, "I all began here."

Good. This starts the healing.

Bob Barr and Ron Paul are two stalking horses McCain can well do without. They are going to cost him votes, especially if McGrandpa's Green Monster speech was any indication of what is to come.

Bob Barr puts Georgia in play, and hands NC to Sen Obama. Ron Paul siphons votes in NH at least. Sen Obama has Ralph Nader. Well, whoopty-shit.

Combined with the decimation of both old party cores, this is the stuff of which landslides are made.

Oh, yes, and so to remain on-topic, Hillary who?

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And people? Stop responding to "blank". Just stop it. When you respond, you make "blank" just a little bit stronger.

I hear you. Although, given the real strong likelyhood that this site like others will be flooded with 'new' supporters of the Dem. Party, it is important to flag the trolls.

btw- looks like the blank post above was just removed. This is good. Thx TPM.

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You know that other post on TPM election central about emailing them? I couldn't post messages for about ten minutes (some technical fluke) and emailed them. When they responded I told them the problem had corrected itself but asked if they could do something about Blank.

Apparently they did. Good for them. This morning it was so nice not to have to deal with trolls.

nice move.

Word. He thrives off our hate. He's like the pink slime from "Ghostbusters 2."

If we play some Jackie Wilson, will he dance?

Guys (and gals, don't want to be accused of mysogeny), this is exactly What Ms. Clinton Should Say! Good for her. The apparent constant requests and threats from her were very unseemly, and only made it impossible for Obama to chose her. This approach could work.

Generic avatars think alike and at about the same time.

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Typical.

;-)

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"This approach could work". Work in what way, do you suppose?

Clinton didn't have a shot at the office after the CIC remarks and the refusal to reveal the donor information about Bill's library. End of story.

Being gracious now (about 36 hours too late, but better late than never) isn't going to change that.

Thank you, Mrs Clinton. She really needed to do this. A lot of the pro-Clinton hardliners have just switched their threat from just voting for McCain to voting for McCain if Obama doesn't put Clinton on the ticket. It wasn't helping at all.

Hey you, go tell all those people that nobody speaks for me but me.

Healing begins when HRC uses a national venue to advance the interests of the party over her own. Then her 17 million "supporters" or whatever you call them will get the message and will either sign on or not.

Hopefully, that will be Friday or Saturday and she gives a strong speech without any innuendos.

Her apprach and the degree of genuine enthusisam in her doing so will be critical to success.
Personally, I think she can pivot politically like no one else (think Ohio), and therefore, easily become Obama's #1 cheerleader. This would go a long way in uniting the party going into the GE. We shall see.

On Saturday, she needs to tell her committed followers to support Obama REGARDLESS of whom he picks for VP.

She killed her chances for it when she:

- Said McCain was qualified to be CinC but Obama was not.
- "RFK was assassinated in June."
- Floated the idea that she was interested, on the day he clinched the nomination, and not stopping Debbbie W-S from petitioning for it.
- Her outrageous non-concession on Tuesday.

Dem 'leaders' on the hill better make it known that she has to work her ass off for Obama if she wants a leadership position anywhere. I'm sick of hearing about what she wants. It's not all about her. She still doesn't get it.

Her non-concession and the RFK comments were sloppy but she pretty much killed her VP chances when she said she and McCain had "passed the commander-in-chief threshold" but Obama hadn't. Ditto with the "3 AM" crap. It raised up the Republican nominee above the possible Democratic nominee and it's a soundbyte that, if she was VP, we'd see used and reused in their attack ads. It's possible they could've gotten past some of the other stuff but she crossed the line there.

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They're already using it.

It's being mailed out to supporters, apparently.

She isn't going to be the Veep. In her relentless quest for the nomination, that comment was the fatal moment.

And I'm betting she doesn't realize that, YET.

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As CT Voter notes, the GOP are already using that sound byte, but its damage will not be nearly as much as if she was on the ticket and they run with it.

Don't forget that she "offered" the VP position to Obama a few months ago.

Right on the money on every point!

Greg:

And that's the rub, since any perception that Hillary is trying to force Obama's hand through whatever channels only makes the possibility that he'll offer the slot to her more remote.

Brilliant.
They finally figured that out huh?

Except Lanny of course.

That guy is as sharp as a rubber-beaked woodpecker in a petrified forest.


Just for clarification:

The possibility of Obama picking Clinton for his VP is not "remote."

It is nonexistent.

See? What with Lanny and Terry and Wolfson doing spin and damage control, HRC is beginning to recognize the real opportunity she squandered in not conceding the nomination to Obama and throwing her support to him when the eyes of America were upon her. Now, are her minions speaking for her? Are they not? As she is probably realizing, politics and comedy share one very important element: timing. And it is interesting that what is turning one of the greatest forces in Democratic politics today into a weak withering agent of crass opportunism, her lack of taking advantage of the moment, is also turning out to make it all rather funny.

Precisely. In a way, for all of the truly historical elements that have been at play here, there truly seemed to be a lack of genuine undertanding of a greater historical context on the part of the HRC camp. Unfortunate for the Clinton legacy indeed.

Who knows what HRC recognizes or realizes? I don't have a narcissistic personality disorder, so I can't relate to one who does. It is perfectly possible that she will go through the motions of his campaign and even go to her grave believing that the presidency was owed to her and she was robbed.

And it's hard to forgive her for stoking the anger of her supporters and making them believe that Obama stole it from her instead of the reality, which is that he won fair and square. Fighting over the MI/FL delegates, LYING by suggestion that Obama was the one preventing the will of the people to be realized, went beyond mere politicking and opportunism. It was deceitful and disgraceful. Florida 2008 is NOT like the stolen election of 2000, but she tried her best to make Dems believe that Obama was Bush, depriving her of what was hers.

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Geez, is this junior high school level or what?
"Hey, Peggy, you're my bestest friend, ""giggle""" go over there and tell that guy I wanna go with him......and let me know what he says......"
"oh, Angie, I can't tell what he said back to Peggy..... Angie.... pleeease, now you go and tell him I don't wanna go with him......I changed my mind."

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Uh oh, I guess mr. bill is getting the ol heave ho. Too funny, check this out. His marital status with hillary is "complicated." Too funny.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/bill-clinton-updates-face_b_105467.html

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Oops, it was a joke on the huff post. Duh! Sorry for the post, please disregard.

Don't feel too bad. The Boston Herald reprinted one of Andy's fake news pieces as real a couple months back. He's just too good at making it right on the edge of believability.

http://www.borowitzreport.com/

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The author is a comedian, so I think this is snark, but it is damn good snark.

If she really didn't want to have the vice presidency offered to her, sending Lanny Davis out to lobby for offering it to her is the best way to prevent it from happening.

I'm already in forgive and forget, kiss and makeup mode as to everyone in or associated with her campaign. I'm already there as to her and Wolfson (as long as we keep any kissing strictly metaphorical). Terry, well, its like trying to stay mad at Falstaff. Hell, its not inconceivable that I could even get there as to Ickes and Big Dawg someday, as long as both promise to never try to "help" with Obama's campaign without adult supervision.

Penn and Davis? Never.

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The problem, however, is that it doesn't look like this is the case. And that's the rub, since any perception that Hillary is trying to force Obama's hand through whatever channels only makes the possibility that he'll offer the slot to her more remote.

So -- sorry if I'm slow here -- what's the problem?

One of the most satisfying aspects of Barack Obama's victory Tuesday is that Lanny Davis will eventually drop from the spotlight.

I look forward, enthusiastically, to that moment.

Sing it, CT kitty.

I'm sure Hillary doesn't want to spend the next six months cleaning up Barack's messes. And she made it crystal clear the other night that she won't stand for his health care bamboozlement. That's her main goal.

He needs her more than she needs him, though his massive ego is resisting.


This has got to be snark... right?

Yes because clearly this whole VP thing is about Obama's ego.

We have now entered "The Twilight Zone".

Wow, I think you're right! And I just figured out why George Clooney hasn't answered my love letters. It must be his massive ego resisting me. Ah well...

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LOL

Touché

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Do any of y'all ever remember someone make a huge play for the Veep position like this?

Ever? I don't.

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Ummm. How about Jack Kemp? Didn't he make one on the Republican side?

Or am I "misremembering"?

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Nope. It's usually the other way around. People act like they don't want it and then all of a sudden it happens. It's usually totally behind the scenes. The clintons are just so tone deaf it is mindboggling. The way that they have acted throughout this campaign you would think that they were amateurs. I really don't get what happened to them. It's really strange.

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They're surrounded by yes-men Check out Terry Mac on the daily show (and apparently drunk) :P. These people were drowning in their own Kool-Aide.

Dick Cheney, albeit in a different sort of way.

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Well, being picked to be the person to vet the VP slot candidates and then putting yourself forward as the pick is in a whole other level of chutzpah to be sure.

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making

I'm not old enough to have witnessed the Bush/Reagan or LBJ/Kennedy...I assume in both cases the negotiations were a little more private, though.

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My dear - everything was more private then.

got that. ;)

So that BET guy TPM EC interviewed was a liar?

No, Hillaryland is just a disorganized mess. Par for the course with them.

Anonymous OBama staffer...

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NOW she doesn't want it, because it won't be offered to her!

BILLARY Clinton is beyond SHAME!

Honest to God, if you want to stay in business, make some connections within the Obama camp. All you knew are Ickes and Wolfson, bad luck, all you got now is an empty metaphor.

I'd rather see the video of Obama in VA morning.

I'm still waiting for Greg to acknowledge how huge a deal Obama taking the nomination truly is; how the world is in awe & how this is now all about him, nothing to do with her except peripherally.

Not a single post on this monumental milestone.

He's still covering HRC like she's the front runner.

Yep, TPM coverage in the last 48 hours is an assertive example of Clintons using up all the oxygen in the room.

Do you think Greg and Co are as tone deaf as Hillary & Co ? Being shills must suck.

Right Tena, you are dead on. And certainly HRC cannot backpedal and claim an historic mandate for the first African-American/female ticket in history when she couldnt even bring herself to acknowledge Obama's ceiling-breaking accomplishment on national tv during her speech, now can she? its all about assessing your place in history, and hillary made a collosal misjudgment. when she said she needed to step back to assess her options it was like she needed a few steps off Everest. You simply dont GET that. Next thing you know youre on the sidelines with the rest of us.

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yes, colossal is right - and like I've said, I finally get that she is a terrible campaigner and not a very good politician and neither is Bill. All this time I thought they were consummate politicians - but I look at Bill's first 100 days and I can see there that the groundwork was laid for the way they've done things ever since:

Big idea; bad judgment implementing it so it dies or is resisted, followed by excuses.

Right from the first appointment he made - he backed down repeatedly right from the start. Don't ask don't tell? Really, Bill?

He broke promises from Day 1.

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O by the way, lovelynina - I've been meaning to tell you that you have the right to that handle and not everyone would.

You are indeed very lovely.

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In her case it is downright self efacing.

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Bingo.

And this carried forward to what laid the groundwork for why her nomination was all but doomed, when in October 2003 she votes yes on the IWR, which was a political/campaign calculation she made the wrong call on that, unfortunately, we as nation are paying for with the biggest foreign policy disaster in our nations; history, and that over 4000 of our troops, and untold numbers of Iraqis have paid for with their lives, and millions whose lives have been shattered.

And yet people within the party respect and supported her. I would have held my nose and done what I can to help her win should she have wrangled the nomination, but only because the alternative would be far worse (dooming a generation with SCOTUS lifetime appointments, etc.)

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Bingo.

And this carried forward to what laid the groundwork for why her nomination was all but doomed, when in October 2003 she votes yes on the IWR, which was a political/campaign calculation she made the wrong call on that, unfortunately, we as nation are paying for with the biggest foreign policy disaster in our nations; history, and that over 4000 of our troops, and untold numbers of Iraqis have paid for with their lives, and millions whose lives have been shattered.

And yet people within the party respect and supported her. I would have held my nose and done what I can to help her win should she have wrangled the nomination, but only because the alternative would be far worse (dooming a generation with SCOTUS lifetime appointments, etc.)

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Fuck I really hate TPMs buggy commenting system.

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I've often thought Bill's tendency to back down derives from his early childhood when he tried to play peacemaker and go-between between his quarelling parents.

His psychology might be that of somewho smooths things over to avoid conflict.

And yet even as he tried to meet the GOP more than halfway, they just villainized him all the more.

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Right from the first appointment he made - he backed down repeatedly right from the start. Don't ask don't tell? Really, Bill?

I've often wondered how different things might have been had Bill acted like he had a pair when that happened. When Colin Powell said that he could control the troops if gays were allowed to serve openly, Clinton should have just told Powell that he accepted his resignation.

Instead, the everyone found out right away that Clinton wouldn't fight for his beliefs.

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That should be "Colin Powell said that he could not control the troops if gays were allowed to serve openly", of course.

God, the software on this site sucks.

who thinks Hillary will keep her pledged delegates towing the line for her in Denver or will she release them? If she doesn't release them,it sure looks like she has along way to go in her leeting go and being a 100% behind Barack.

My thought is that she will hold onto them..still with the belief of..you never know what could happen.

FWIW: This morning NPR said she was keeping them.

No matter. It's just bad form on her part (no news there). I imagine there will be some cross over from those of good conscience, in any case. And so, our former First Lady, the first woman to make a run for President of the United States, goes down in history as the Biggest Sore Loser Ever! What a shame.

Take a dekko at demconwatch. She is bleeding SD's at a rate that she will finally end up with what she started with. Already down 30 since yesterday.

I hate not being able to comment on the front page items. McCain golf gear deserves it's own post, just so we can make fun of it.

Although personally, I want a pair of McCain panties, so I can wear them on my head.

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I hate that too - so often I really am itching to post a comment on one of the front page stories. It is frustrating.

How many times I gotta tell ya?

Frat parties aren't torture!

is there any update on delegate count and endorsements? I can't locate a site with updated information. I want to note when barack goes over the 2209 mark.

DemCon Watch froze their count yesterday with Obama at 2190 and 117.5 SuperDels undeclared. Don't know why they stopped reporting - guess they're on to GE news, perhaps?

Anyway, here's the link to their count, if you're interested:

demconwatch.blogspot.com

See my replies to your earlier post and also below. As usual, TPM screws up the placement.

Thank you Tena :)

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Hopefully without crossing any 'creepy guy on the intertubes' threshold, I would just second what Tena said.

HuffPo has a story up that says that Obama learned that Hillary would suspend her campaign, from the media. She did not call him to congratulate or inform him of her intentions.

A poster, who goes by the name of SanityClaus, claims that it was members of her staff, who contacted her supporters in the Senate and asked them to talk her down.

"Her closest advisors were the ones who called the Senators and begged them to talk her off the ledge yesterday. Clearly they had been unable to talk sense into her." 03:35 PM on 06/05/2008

Dan Abrams last night had this quick little story about Obama responding to the VP talk (or something) and I guess he said something along the lines of "I don't really know yet. Right now I'm just gonna go home, relax, and Michelle and I are gonna go out on a date."

They're the cutest fucking couple in politics.

I don't know why this was "in reply" to you.

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O stop - you are killing me.


God the public is going to just love this family - once they get there, I can just see it - when was the last time we had a family this young in the White House?

Why do we elect these creaking old fools over and over? Jesus - I'm not that old, but I know I'm not what I was when I was 43, 44.

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The fist bump thingie just melted my heart Tuesday night.

It killed me. It was just awesome.

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fist bump thingie:

{{{{{SWOON!}}}}}

Just heard on CNN as well...

1)She didn't call Obama to inform her decision
2)There is no joint appearance duringo endorsement
3)Suspending campaign and holding onto her delegates
4)Bill Clinton or any other family members or any leading Obama supporters will be absent in D.C.
5)She's quitting only because she's being forced out by her own legislative backers from New York

She has all the makings of a shadow president and the election is in Nov.


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She's holding on to her delegates?


You know, she already worked my last nerve, now she's going for my entire neuro network.


God damn this.

I don't think you can really "release" your delegates. Like there's no lever you pull. Endorsing another candidate (thereby urging your delegates to support that person) is the most you can do, to my knowledge. I think the biggest distinction between dropping out and suspending your campaign is that suspending allows you to keep raising money.

Classy to the end, isn't she?

I am very disappointed in Hillary once again. Like a putrid fart that won't go away.... she lingers. I was really hoping she'd appear with Obama or at least some of his surrogates and give a dynamite speech. I hope they change their tune before Saturday.

Have we considered Alternative Explanation B? That Hillary, breathing the rarified air of the climb to the heights of National Politics, has kinda lost her marbles?

LOL! You got it!

I think she and Bill lost them a long time ago. Still, this campaign season has been jaw droppingly loony, even by their standards.

I really chalk it up to their complete lack of understanding of the Internet/youtube age.

Bill used to be able to shuck and jive and double-talk his way out of any "mis-statement" and always stay 2 steps ahead of the press. And that's what he tried to do during this cycle.

I don't even remember what it was about, but there was that time at the rope line where some reporter asked him about some comments he made the previous day and Bill was like, "I never said that. When and where did I say that?" And the reporter gave him the specific time and radio station and quote and Bill was like "Nope. I didn't say that" and walked away.

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Boy it has been loony.

I have some theories about Hill - I've worked for a couple of women her age who acted a lot like her.


That's all I'm sayin.


Hmmmmmmmm . . .

Dish, dish, dish. Juicy office gossip- I luv.

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hormones, silly.

Listen, being a woman is a rotten deal for only one reason, AFAIC - basically I love it - but the hormones are a real downside.

That too.


In her book For the Love of Politics, Sally Bedell Smith tells of how Hillary's father would throw the cap of the toothpaste tube out the window, if Hillary forgot to put it back on, and make her go and find it, even during the winter.

IMO, Hillary has become her father and is treating Obama, the way her father behaved towards her.

It's an endless cycle of emotional abuse, played out on the national stage. It's all depressingly, predictable.


Everyone's missing the main reason it's risky to put HRC on the ticket: accusations of the ticket being "too liberal."
Not because of Hillary, but rather, because Bill is dating Canadian MP Belinda Stronach, who is a member of Canada's Liberal Party, and thus the ticket would be seen as too liberal for most Americans. And Canadians.

Anybody seen Robert Redford "swoon" in the "Candidate"? Maybe her mind needs a few weeks' vacation. (She's gonna get longer than that.)

sorry itchy posting finger

You should get that looked at.

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Are you volunteering?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/05/obama-on-congress-ill-whup-em/

Beautiful story and a very touching one aout our new president!

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Greg -

"Of course, it's perfectly likely that figures like Davis -- and many other Clinton supporters calling for her to be made Veep -- are acting independently here"

Is this perfectly clear? It seems to me that it is just a likely that his is a campaign being run with the consent of Clinton as it is that it is not with her permission. I'm not saying that Wolfson's statement isn't true by any stretch but how about a little skepticism for what politicians tell us?

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It's pretty clear that Wolfson is just spewing some passive-aggressive BS. Hillary Clinton would be a heckuva a lot more likeable if her surrogates (Wolfson, Davis, MCauliffe) weren't such old-school blowhards.

Well this is not entirely true. I believe the correct phrase is "I was for it before I was against it (base on tracking poll data, micro analysis and Negative Aggressive Groups-NAGS."

Ahhh... much better now.

After a very long, grueling campaign, Barack is making excellent choices,why worry about his VP choice?

There's a much better position awaiting Hillary in an Obama administration: U.S. Ambassador to Iraq.

This is excellent news.

This a smart move by Clinton - for a change.
As long as people are pushing Obama for this, it will never happen. a) human nature to resist b)it will make him look weak.

If the talk dies down and he is looking at other candidates - then in a month or so he does decide she would be a good veep, at least it won't look like he is caving.

I doubt he would but if people keep pushing, he definitely won't.

Lanny is just showing what a sad pathetic idiot that he is. He reminds me of some of the people I went to high school with and it was the end-all of their existence. Then you see them later and their lives suck and they keep trying to relive their high school days.

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Thank the diety of your choice . . .

For me, that would be St. Alphonzo and his venerated Pancake Breakfast.

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The best news AFAIC is that Obama has enormous balls. He cannot be pressured.

He just consolidated his power base and took control of the Democratic Party as of today, I guess, if not yesterday.

With what seems to me to be lightning speed and a lot of finesse.

I'll quote Petey Pablo here:

"good as a bad of Afghanistan reefer,
I can't fuck with me and y'all can't neither -)

I don't think you can fuck with Barack Obama. Just that simple. He's going to do what he has planned and what he wants to do.

You are so funny, Tena! Just say it!

Yes, in total accord with you, as always. And this is why he just scares the hell out of the establishment. And it's why I loves him!

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O I loves him too.


I'm kinda pathetic, really. lol!

Well Cheney didn't have to make a huge play for the VP slot, he just put himself in the position where he could, after much searching (snark), recommend himself for VP, which seems pretty much in keeping with the underhanded way that he manipulates power.

whoops, that was in reply to Tena's comment way up the thread.

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Agreed - but that was an anomaly I think, all the way around. They were just frontin.

And Cheney's role as puppet-master is also an anomaly.

I kind of don't count this administration when discussing the way things usually are. ;)


Well, it looks like Hill and Bill are getting their $millions back from the Obama campaign (according to Bloomberg). She is disgusting, and that is what she's been angling for all along.

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Doubt it.

The Obama campaign can't legally do anything except host a fundraiser for her, or direct donors her way.

Oh what the heck. It's way down thread here, few people will see it, so here goes.

Maybe she's saying she's not "seeking" it because she feels it should be handed to her?

What...too far?

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Obama should offer the Vice-Presidency to Clinton; she should refuse, since it would be an unworkable governing arrangement. What a new President doesn't need is pressure from below, a formidable rival who comes equipped with an ex-President spouse who could do a lot of damage to the Administration's credibility by failing to wholeheartedly endorse the President's policies on certain issues. Can you imagine the headlines? Oy!

Of course, Obama should make certain Clinton will decline before he offers her the Veep job; maybe with the quid pro quo of a seat on the Supreme Court -- where I think she would be terrific -- but let her decide what she'd want.

Obama doesn't need Clinton on the ticket to win. Once the race crystallizes, the contrast between he and McCain will be so stark that Americans will respond on a visceral level, if the fact that he's in the mainstream of majority thought on the issues is not sufficient. Of course, this isn't to suggest it will be an easy campaign -- the Republican attack machine has proven how dangerous it can be -- but Obama has some huge advantages.

As for Hillary's supporters, to quote Bill, "I feel your pain." She fought courageously and with determination. It seems to me the height of betrayal and disrepect to dishonor Clinton's considerable accomplishments by jumping from a Democratic nominee who shares most of the same sensibilities on the issues in favor of a Republican candidate who could be counted on to do the opposite of all which both Clinton and Obama advocate.

Is Obama really "unfit" to hold the office, at least any more so than McCain and his support for expanding the war in Iraq to a regional conflict, the unitary Executive theory, warrantless wiretaps and telecom immunity, and tax cuts for the rich; opposes a universal health care program; and hires lobbyists as his closest campaign advisors? Sorry, I don't see it.

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Nope.

Offering someone a VP slot and the refuse it weakens the ticket out of the gate. It accomplishes precisely nothing.

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Of course, Obama should make certain Clinton will decline before he offers her the Veep job; maybe with the quid pro quo of a seat on the Supreme Court -- where I think she would be terrific -- but let her decide what she'd want.

How does he do that? What if she says she will turn it down and then publicly accepts it? He's screwed then, no matter what he does.

Even Hillary can't help him win.
It's going to be a long 4 years until she runs again. Next time, they won't DARE steal the nomination from her.

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Nice try GOP troll.

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What is missing in this entertaining, yet arguably 'elitist' discussion of the inside baseball of Hillary hate:

18 million voters.

You don't ignore 18 million people.

These supporters matter, even if Hillary isn't magnanimous enough for TPM's elite urban cadre of posters.

Lets face it, it was practically a tie - to send Hill packing with a swift quick in the behind will not be wise.

I also think that the maxim: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" could apply.

If Obama can't handle Billary, he shouldn't be president. But I think he will have to absolutely lay down the law with them.

I imagine a funny sketch they could in Denver with Obama as Carson and Hill as Ed McMahon where she repeadetly says, in her new gravelly voice, "Your are CORRECT sir!"

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Complete blather from beginning to end.

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Blather is blog snarkulation.

18 million voters matter.

If Obama can't handle Billary, he shouldn't be president.

That's like saying if Lincoln can't handle Booth...

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LOL

Touché.

One of Hillary Clintons’ most ardent supporters,and good friends, Hillary Rosen, wrote in her article yesterday;
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The life's work of Bill and Hillary Clinton in partnering with so many African Americans uniting our purpose and promoting our mutual issues is as responsible for Barack Obamas’ success as our first African American nominee as anyone. And yet, that joy is being denied for them by themselves. It is so sad.

So, I am also so very disappointed at how she has handled this last week. I know she is exhausted and she had pledged to finish the primaries and let every state vote before any final action. But by the time she got on that podium last night, she knew it was over and that she had lost. I am sure I was not alone in privately urging the campaign over the last two weeks to use the moment to take her due, pass the torch and cement her grace. She had an opportunity to soar and unite. She had a chance to surprise her party and the nation after the day-long denials about expecting any concession and send Obama off on the campaign trail of the general election with the best possible platform. I wrote before how she had a chance for her "Al Gore moment." And if she had done so, the whole country ALL would be talking today about how great she is and give her, her due.

Instead she left her supporters empty, Obamas’ angry and party leaders trashing her. She said she was stepping back to think about her options. She is waiting to figure out how she would "use" her 18 million voters.

But not my vote. I will enthusiastically support Barack Obamas’ campaign. Because I am not a bargaining chip. I am a Democrat.
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All but Hillarys "lunatic fringe" supporters feel the same. They are more disappointed with her, than with the realization that Hillary lost the nomination. Those of us who are old enough, to have grown up with RAMPANT sexism, will NOT be used in any way, by a man or a woman!

hi guys and gals I'm new here but i would like to say to any Sen. Clinton supporters who constantly trumpet obama's impending defeat should know how they can win in four years w/o the other half of the party? just curious.

Lanny Davis has now joined with VoteBoth to urge that Hillary be picked for VP. The unctuous Mr. Davis is not out there freelancing on this. He would not be doing it if Hillary really wanted it stopped.

Something that is getting very little press:

Senator Clinton's campaign did not contact Senator Obama to give him a heads up that she was going to end her campaign, even though they did notify the press about it. The Obama camp first heard about it from the Media, instead of Senator Clinton making a curtesy call to let Senator Obama know what was about to be made public. Not the behavior of someone that I would want on my team.

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Though they did speak face to face in the hall at APAIC yesterday, so it may be technically true she did not "call" they may have spoken then. I don't think we should be looking for more reasons to be outraged at Clinton or her campaign, but as the now clichéd phrase form the Reagan years goes.. "trust but verify" about her dropping out.

The Obama camp said that they first heard about it from the media, and had not been informed by Senator Clinton.

What the hell is she thinking? Really, really bizarre behavior.

There is no reason for this to continue. Supporters are jumping ship.

We are seeing the Clinton campaign and the candidate herself fall apart in front of her eyes.

Her behavior guarantees everything she wants will not be given to her. So WEIRD!

I heard that as well, liam.

Just another thought;

How does Hillary plan to ensure "respect for the people that voted for me, and I want to make sure that their voices are heard" if she suppresses them as bargaining chips? Does she really think that they will all coalesce to being "suspended" as part of her campaign, until she tells them what to do?

What say you Hillary supporters? Are you out there without your own voice, and intellect? Will you sit on your hands awaiting direction from Hillary? Even if you feel like it(if I were you, I would), will you REALLY vote for 4 more years of Bush? Will you not vote at all, and "give your vote to McCain that way? Will you vote Democrat and wait until Hillary has another opportunity to run? Will you look for another female candidate to represent you in the future?

Well, I'm not a woman or a Clinton supporter .... but this person WAS.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hilary-rosen/i-am-not-a-bargaining-chi_b_105133.html

Hi: What I was referring to was a read on Bloomberg: "Obama Campaign will consider helping Clinton pay off $20million in Debt".--Barack Obama's Campaign is open to paying off some of the more than $20 in debt accrued by defeated Clinton etc.
Even if this "assistance" is through Fund Raisers she doesn't deserve a dime of it, and she has been insidious in prying it out of him. Considering the scourge she has been in trying to pull Barack down, she deserves contempt and nothing more--that includes Hill Bill.

I was gonna tell you contempt was taking it a bit to far. But, I think we all have the right to feel a bit of that. I mean we are all one party here. What she is doing is flying in the face of what she says as far as unity, etc.

Like I said before, "weird".

She seems intent on keeping things in the grey area. Just when you think she gonna support Obama, it's like "psyche", not quite. It just seems half-hearted. Maybe I'm reading too much into it and it's just half-assed. I don't know.

demconwatch is running an update in their posts. They have said y'day that they won't be updating the side-bars.

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