Hillary Pledged Delegate: I'm Backing McCain!
Although Hillary Clinton has asked her delegates to support Barack Obama, one particular delegate is taking the polar-opposite route. Debra Bartoshevich, a Hillary pledged delegate from Wisconsin, has now announced that she's supporting John McCain.
"I'm sure people are going to be upset with me," Bartoshevich told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. "I don't want to lose my national delegate status."
Bartoshevich is upset at Hillary Clinton's loss, and quoted the great suffragette Susan B. Anthony as an inspiration: "No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her."
Late Update: State Dems have voted to file a complaint at the Credentials Committee in Denver, moving to strip Bartoshevich of her delegate status.















"I'm sure people are going to be upset with me," Bartoshevich told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. "I don't want to lose my national delegate status."
Typical Hillary supporter...she is convinced it's all about her.
June 14, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree. She is not a typical Hillary supporter. She is the rare exception, and that is why it is a featured news story. We do not know much about this person. She might possible not be willing to vote for a person based on race. The fact that she said that she would not vote for a party that ignored her, and then turns around and said that she is going to vote for McCain tells me that she is not leveling with us as to her real reason for not voting for Senator Obama.
Keep in mind, McCain has promised to appoint enough Scalia clones to make sure that the clock will be set back to when women were kept barefooted and pregnant, and then ask her to explain how she thinks that McCain is with the party that does not ignore her.
June 14, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
exactly!
the republican party has always ignored her, and will continue to ignore her, so how is she voting for them.
June 15, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Either the Democratic Party respects women and when it controls the House and the Senate will block in 'pro-life' judicial appointments and women who distrust Obama, sweetie that he is, can vote for McCain or it is not a pro-choice party and there is no reason to help it into the Oval Office.
As to some of the logic here --- I know that any one who voted against Hillary did it because they were still mad at their Mom's. Keep your insulting,infantile speculations to yourself unless you have real evidence.
June 15, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
""I'm sure people are going to be upset with me," Bartoshevich told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. "I don't want to lose my national delegate status.""
You know you can't make this sh*t up right? As someone pointed out D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L; another typical trait of Hillary Clinton supporter.
June 14, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
These Hillary/McCain supporters are like Jews for Jesus: there aren't very many of them but the few are so rabid and create such a stir that they garner a lot of attention!
At the end of the day, there will be more Republicans voting for Obama than the other way around. Republicans of 2008 are like Democrats of 2004: Democrats were voting against Bush, not for Kerry. Republicans are not voting for McCain, they're just voting against Obama. Zero enthusiasm.
June 14, 2008 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually that's kind of insulting to both Jews and Jesus. Which is a pretty good trick for a single comparison, now that I think about it.
June 14, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not sure if you're being facetious or not, but just in case... it's a real religion.
June 15, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marioth,
This election is all about Michelle Obama. She's a proud American for the first time in her adult life after her husband won causes states. We should all vote for Obama to really, really make her very proud for the first time in her life.
June 16, 2008 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a bit of old news. She has already been stripped of her delegate status. Voting for the opposition candidate violates the rules of the convention.
This just goes to show there are morons in both parties. You know 'cause the Republicans care so much about women's rights.
June 14, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Correction, publically supporting the opposition candidate violates the rules.
June 14, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
you mean like McJoe
June 14, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, LIEberman is actually an independent, so he's not violating any rules. He is, however, an asshat.
June 15, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
The state party has already moved to strip her of her credentials:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-wi-delegatedumped,0,749781.story
She won't be a delegate for much longer.
June 14, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good.
June 14, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
And now the whining over how badly she's being treated and praising her martyrdom can begin over at the "It's not about Hillary, its all about meeeeee" segment of the Internet. "How dare those awful misogynists enforce the rules and strip her of her delegate status just because she's supporting the other party's nominee," they'll say. "They wouldn't have done that to her if she was a man."
June 14, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I read about people like that, I feel really impatient.
June 14, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
what an idiot. let her vote for mccain...
talk about irrational. she gives new meaning to the word.
June 14, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
yeah this is typical of a supporter like this. well I can't wait to see what a mccain administration would do for women. see here http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/06/09/equal-pay-difference/
June 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent link. Every woman should be aware of McCains's views on this.
June 14, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's a moron. Her statements reads as "No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that doesn't do what she wants simply because she is a woman is a woman and wants it."
'She' wanted Hillary and so the party should have wanted Hillary and if they don't give her what she wants why she'll just cry.
Great way to show the nation's little girls that if you don't get what you want you can kick and scream.
Because that's what democracy is all about: acting like petulant 5yr old.
Debra Bartoshevich driving women's lib - back 50 years.
June 14, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
She just wants her 15 minutes. She knows she'll be voting for Obama in November.
June 14, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm SO confused!!!
"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her."
How does 18 million votes represent "ignore her?"
Please, she won almost half he Democratic vote, how can that possible be construed as anything but party adoration and devotion?
Apparently for Ms. Bartoshevich, the agony of defeat outweighs the integrity of conviction...
This is what I have meant all along with the term "bitterhead" which I leveled at Clinton supporters who built and defended delusions that were destined to be shattered.
As an Edwards supporter, I experienced that "shattered" feeling long before any Hillary supporters. But I got on with my life and my effoprts, and joined Obama's supporters lock, stock and barrel.
I hope our wayward friend overcomes her own bitter disappointment, soon enough to avoid making a big mistake that she will no doubt regret for the rst of her life.
June 15, 2008 12:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's supporting McCain? Why did she ever bother being a Clinton supporter in the first place? I don't think Clinton would approve of Bartosevich's decision.
June 14, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
If she says she can't back Obama because of his policies, but will vote for McCain, then she never really backed Clinton's policies, either.
June 14, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well stated. Cut and paste to Will Bower of PUMA and all the other "McCainocrats".
June 15, 2008 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her.
So she's going to vote Republican? Well, she'll be a hero there, I suppose.
June 14, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe she is supporting McCain because Hillary flattered him throughout the campaign. Or, maybe she is a Lieberman groupie; you know, I'll caucus with the democrats and accompany John McCain on the campaign trail.
June 14, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why isn't Hillary saying or doing anything to publicly reject such actions? She created a monster and now she has to slay it.
June 14, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly, she created these fanatics through all of her attacks on Obama and false claims of sexist and unfair treatment by the Democratic Party, she has an obligation to undo the damage she had done, but of course she is silent on this, because I still think she is hoping the earth she scorched doesn't sprout again.
June 14, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's already been stripped of her delegate status.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-wi-delegatedumped,0,749781.story
June 14, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
maybe if obama would apologise for his sexist kitchen sink strategy and his many divisive comments about gender, race, and political history, clinton supporters could forgive him for defeating her. blacks are certainly taking staunch dems for granted. what have they done to earn any rewards from democrats. it is not as if they have supported white dems in the past. it is just take, take, take with the blacks. and i haven't even mentioned the eggheads. IAM VOTING FOR MCCAIN TOO! HE RESPECTS WOMEN!
June 14, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is a joke, right?
June 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have GOT to be kidding! The only way he could have been nicer to Hillary would have been pull out of the race.
People were sexist to Hillary, but Obama wasn't. People wondered why she was still running, Obama didn't. People called for her to quit running and told her she was damaging the party, which she was, but Obama didn't.
On the other hand; Hilary attacked Obama with every smear going and Obama could have done the same, and didn't.
Wise up.
June 14, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look at these comments, designed to push buttons. This is not a Hillary supporter but someone trying to stir up animosity.
And should anyone really think McCain respects women, please read
Why McCain Should Worry Women.
June 14, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is not a Hillary supporter but someone trying to stir up animosity.
I'm not so sure about that. One thing that this primary has taught me is that just because someone calls themselves a Democrat or a progressive does not automatically mean they have a clue about... well, anything.
Some of these types of comments are undoubtedly coming from right-wing trolls. But Hillary blew really hard on the racial dog whistle ("hard working Americans, white Americans"), and it's not at all surprising that some people heard it and came running.
June 14, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
What astute analysis. We've carved the country into so many demographics and segments that when Hillary Clinton states the fact that more working class white voters supported here in Ohio or Pennsylvania that it's blowing the racial "dog whistle." This is just silly.
I find it so strange that so many in this community have excoriated Hillary Clinton for something like this. I'm a Democrat and an ardent Obama supporter, but he was not without fault in the primary campaign. Does anyone remember him using the fiercely anti-gay gospel singer to win over churchgoing African-Americans in South Carolina? Nobody takes any issue with that?
June 14, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I doubt Obama even knew Donnie McClurkin was anti-gay since McClurkin himself is gay (although he claims to be "cured.") And he certainly wasn't trying to get black votes since Trinity is perhaps one of the few black churches in the country that allows gays to marry!
Obama has also spoken passionately to black churches about homophobia and encouraged them to treat gays with respect. His deputy campaign manager is openly gay.
June 14, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
With that comment, Hillary was equating being hard-working with being white. And of course, what was implied was that if you aren't white, you aren't hard-working - you're lazy.
It was racist dog-whistle politics, pure and simple. Jesse Helms would have been proud.
June 15, 2008 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, it is not racist dog whistle politics. She was most certainly not equating being white with being hard-working and to suggest such is outrageous. Comparing a woman who has been a loyal Democrat, bowed out of this race with grace and gave a passionate endorsement of the nominee to the most openly homophobic, racist senator in recent history is simply disgusting. You obviously know nothing about Jesse Helms either.
I'm a North Carolinian and I lived through Jesse Helms' tenure in office. The kind of campaigns he ran against politicians like Harvey Gantt or Nick Galifanakis were xenophobia and racism of the worst kind. Trying to pull things Hillary Clinton said out of context and condemn her as a racist is lazy and stupid.
June 15, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
andy, please give a concrete example of Obama being sexist.
I thought so.
June 14, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andy was being Snarkish. It was intended as satire. Read him again.
June 14, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
right he respects women.
June 14, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do wonder how she came to be a delegate in the first place. Seems like the Democratic Party of Wisconsin needs a better vetting process.
it is all about the vetting these days...
June 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her."
This woman is a complete idiot. Let's see why:
A) The Democratic Party didn't ignore Hillary, in fact she enjoyed a HUGE insider advantage that Obama didn't pass until the very end. She lost fair and square.
B) So she is saying that the Republican party is a party that won't ignore her? This the same party who wants to take away her right to make decisions about her own body? How's that for ignoring? Do you think the Republicans are ever going to have a woman presidential candidate? Yeah right.
She is an idiot, she contradicts her own arguments, and she deserves to be stripped of her delegate status and replaced with a real Democrat.
June 14, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
tell it to claytie williams
June 14, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her."
Oh yeah? Let's rephrase that a bit, shall we? How about: No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a CANDIDATE AND A PARTY that:
1. Has vowed to appoint judges who will repeal Roe v Wade and make abortion not a choice but a CRIME.
2. Opposes requiring insurance companies to cover birth control
3. Opposes equal pay for equal work
4. Opposes requiring health insurers to cover reconstructive breast surgery after mastectomy
5. Opposes work supports for poor working women (child care, health insurance, etc.)
6. Supports kicking women soldiers out of the military when male soldiers who she refused to have sex with accuse her of being gay
June 14, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
De-list all Clinton girdle girlz
Too stupid to be a delegate
June 14, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whaaaaaa! Whaaaaaaa! I didn't get my way! You wouldn't change the rules for me! I'm taking my ball and going home!
June 14, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, I just went to the delegate selection event here in Oregon, and you'd be surprised at how easy it is to become a delegate. All you need to do is fill out an online form and then show up. Some people showed up with 25 friends who voted for them, and they were the ones chosen.
No one ever had to prove they were a Democrat or that they could somehow be guaranteed to vote how they were pledging to.
How hard would it be for the McCain camp to put forward a ringer and then have her blab to the media?
Not hard. Not hard at all.
June 14, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, Eric, why are you still beating your dead horse like this? Your candidate lost. She's not the nominee. It's time for you to put your bitterness behind you and devote your energies towards reporting the race as it actually exists.
June 14, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I bet you guys had no problem when Mrs Obama said she wasn't sure if she would vote for Hillary is Hillary became the nominee.
I bet you guys had no problem with Obama staffer calling Hillary a "monster".
I bet you guys had no problem with Obama branding the Clintons racists.
You are in for a big surprise in November.
June 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, they never called her a racist. I'm also sorry that you're so butthurt over your preferred candidate losing that you've taken to supporting McCain, the candidate on the opposite side of every issue from Hillary, as a sort of electoral hissy fit. Get over yourself.
June 14, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama never made those statements.
June 14, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
How foolish! To vote for someone so completely at odds with what your candidate campaigned for tirelessly for is ridiculous. Your country's welfare and your party loyalty should rise above your petty resentment over losing.
June 14, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her."
Well, it's true, the Republicans won't ignore her. They'll pay close attention to her, just like a lecher pays close attention to a stripper. And make no mistake, the Republicans want everybody to strip. They want to us to strip off our civil liberties, our right to privacy, our right to control our own bodies, our rights to equal pay, our rights to speak and think and associate freely. Pretty much, they'd like to strip every part of the bill of rights, except for owning guns. But don't worry, if we allow them to take all the other rights, they'll eventually take that one, too.
There is too much at stake here for me to have much patience with these people. I so want to just smack some sense into them.
Honestly, if this woman is so stupid as to cut off her nose to spite her face by voting for McCain, then she deserves everything she would suffer from a McCain presidency. But the rest of us don't deserve a McCain presidency, and that's why we have to work so hard to avoid it.
June 14, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Phoebe Fay, what you just wrote is so powerfully articulate. Thanks.
June 14, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Phoebe's avatar just kills me.
June 14, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Miri11, why do you feel like it's necessary to try and use your vote as a tool? If Mcain is elected I will not be surprised and I will know it was because of people like you.
And you will get exactly what YOU deserve. I on the other hand will sleep tight knowing my hands are free from the blood.
Vote how you want but stop trying to beat us over the head with it so you can have some grand I told you so moment before Mcain continues the whole sale destruction of everything this nation stands for.
Also, Obama fired the Monster staffer. And he never called them racists. His backers may have, but as Clinton supporters were so fond of pointing out, you just can't control what supporters say and those things can not be attributed to the candidate.
But since people are naturally hypocrites I guess you won't see the point there.
*** Adding to the Mcain anti women list is his decision to vote that insurance companies have to cover Viagra but should not have to cover birth control.
Nice.
June 14, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
of course obama must apologise for stealing hillary's political inheritance. even then we hillary supporters must be true to our american values and stand firm with mccain. what did bill clinton say?..."wouldn't it be great to have an election between two patriots? and then we could get past all this other stuff." so although obama should apologise, i would still have to vote for mccain even if he did. nothing could undo the humiliation of losing when the advantage was so clearly ours. nothing is worse than degrading oneself in a losing effort. it is a lose, lose. so SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA!
June 14, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama disrespected hillary by daring to beat her. mccain respects women by encouraging them to vote for him against the disrespectfull obama. thus VOTE MCCAIN HE RESPECTS WOMEN!
June 14, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama forced hillary into this lose, lose by beating her even though she selflessly sacrificed her intellectual integrity during the campaign. WHAT DID HE SACRIFICE?
June 14, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ben Smith at Politico reports that Ms. Bartoshevich is among the HRC supporters and Democrats he's going to talk to on his conference call. She's wicked famous!
June 14, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
then WHY IS SHE BACKING MCCAIN?!
the fact that she can quote that without the slightest sense of irony says something about this woman.
June 14, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Debra Bartoshevich supports john mccain like susan b. anthony got support from george f. train. As Tim Wise would say, Ms. bartoshevich's whitness is showing.
June 14, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apt.
June 14, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a moron. She outed herself before she got to Denver!
Hey Debra, next time (oops, there won't be one... sorta like being a suicide bomber), in order to maximize the power of your vanilla latte protest vote, make sure to wait until after you've actually made it into the Convention before you throw open your cape and reveal your hideousness.
Here's an idea, sweetie: As consolation to all those "disenfranchised" deadenders you let down by not keeping your gaping yap shut, why don't you be a good McCain supporter and go enlist in his 100 Year War and relieve some poor Wisconsin soldier who deserves to come home?
June 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interestingly, this woman has NEVER given money to any candidate. Not even to HRC!
If that link doesn't work go to opensecrets.org and check her out for yourself. I used the last name and the zip code. One would think that such a HRC supporter so ardent that she would be a delegate would have given her a dollar or something.
hmmmm
June 14, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
But I think you have to cross a threshold of $200 or something to be reported there. She might have given a dollar.
June 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
You'd think if she was so ardent, she could have paid $200.
June 14, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
just did another search because my husband gave a $25 donation once. I didn't find him but found a person who had given $-15 (that's how it looked on opensecrets.
June 14, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe that was minus 15 becabuse I also saw $-900. However, they do have donations as low as $100.
June 14, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is a woman with her name from Wisconsin who did in fact donate a little over $500 to HRC. I feel bad for her; she is in for a world of nasty mail and phonecalls.
June 14, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why do Obama supporters feel it necessary to strip her as a delegate? She expresses her freedom of speech and you want punish her. Is that the way the new Democratic party operates now? What happened to Earning votes?
June 14, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess it's just the idea that delegates to the Democratic Convention . . . ought to be Democrats.
June 14, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, yeah.
If she wants to be a Repug, that's fine - just send her on over to the Repug convention.
I don't know how she could be a delegate for McLame at the Democratic convention.
She can talk away - she just makes a fool of herself -
June 14, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! Funny stuff.
Uh, this was supposed to be funny stuff, right?
June 14, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
IS this a joke? The "Obama supporters" aren't stripping her of anything. The Democratic Party is saying that if she won't vote Democrat, she can't be a Democratic superdelegate.
Freaky logic, huh? (I type sarcastically)
This woman can vote however she likes in the election, as a regular citizen--just not with the privileges of the Democratic party on whom she has declared war.
June 15, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
like all the other accusations of Obama being anti-Clinton, it's not the Obama campaign, it's the Wisconsin Democratic Party!
June 14, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
like all the other accusations of Obama being anti-Clinton, it's not the Obama campaign, it's the Wisconsin Democratic Party!
June 14, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
As much as we're all bagging on Ms. Bartoshevich, is she really guilty of anything more than being a sponge? A parrot? A good little Hillbot?
Go and read some of her quotes for why she won't vote for Obama. Every last one sounds like it came straight from Hillary's mouth. Like any good cult leader, Monsters Inc has trained these people well. A week after their leader stepped down, they can still recite her talking points verbatim.
She needs to be stripped of her delegate status, but she also needs to be deprogrammed.
June 14, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Portrait of Debra Bartoshevich:
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/D/A/2/vote-for-spite.jpg
June 14, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for that link. If you read her statement, she is crediting McCain with experience. I really think the MSM needs to jump on this. The guy flew twenty some hours under combat conditions and was a POW for 5 years. That is it. He suffered, he served his country, but no way in hell does he have "experience", it is the biggest myth about this guy. Other than "straight talker" of course. Freakin A, the guy can't even operate a computer, for christ sake.
PS: Signing in SUCKS big time
June 14, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
For NR
June 14, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
And as a woman, if I hear sexist one more time, I will never want to vote for a woman. That is such a cop out. Stop using this excuse HRC backers. She voted for the war, THAT was her downfall, not the media, her own actions destroyed her chances.
June 14, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Every HRC deadender I know is a white woman over the age of 40, was deeply invested in the whole idea of her becoming the first woman president, and, well, has no black friends. A poll I'd love to see: did you have a meaningful conversation about this election with someone of a different race during the past six months? Because it wouldn't surprise me if half of all Dems who followed this race closely, if they answered honestly, would say no. Not making any accusation of overt racism, just suggesting American society is still racially segregated in some important ways (and that helps to explain people like Bartoshevich, it's like we've seen two different movies, bet she has no clue that the Dems might get 40% of their ballots from non-white voters this year).
June 14, 2008 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just wanted to send a shout out to the little old lady who hooted at us as we drove by. We had no clue what the hell she was doing until we realized she was cheering on Obama - we have Obama signs in the back windows of our car from the primary.
I think it is time to move past insulting those who cannot let go, and focus on the future. Actually little is to be gained from insulting people, but why spend time talking about those stuck in the past?
If you know someone personally who is like that, you can hope to help them move on with gentle discussion. Beyond that it is pissing into the wind and bad character.
June 15, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
As woman, let me just say fuck you, bitch! The Democratic Party does not ignore women, but the Repugs hate your guts, want to control your uterus and you are 18 times an idiot and fool to support McLame.
I doubt Hillary is happy with you - ya moron.
June 14, 2008 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that your undies are all buched up... keep in mind that the ______ party is generally focused on power. People and platforms fall to the wayside shortly thereafter.
Having said that, I do agree with the essence of your point.
June 15, 2008 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
At best, the female thing and the black thing were a wash. They both gained votes and lost votes because of their skin color and they both gained votes and lost votes because of their gender. He gained lots of votes on change, she gained lots of votes on name recognition. He gained lots of votes on the war thing, she gained lots of votes on the experience thing.
At the end of the day, Obama got the edge because he had a little more vision and foresight than Clinton. He realized that the only way he could beat her was to play the long game while she never saw him coming. The difference was February and that was purely Hillary losing a chess game to Obama.
All this other stuff is window dressing. These were two evenly matched candidates with balancing strenghts and weaknesses - one of them just completely underestimated the other one.
June 14, 2008 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
BINGO
June 15, 2008 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain thinks you should earn less and are less intelligent than men. He also thinks you are a trollop and worse. So yes dear, go ahead and vote for McCain. You support his theory on intelligence.
June 14, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well honestly - talk about cutting your nose to spite your face - the Repugs' record on women's issues is dismal to non-existent.
June 14, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
He also thinks you are a trollop and worse.
Perhaps even a c*nt. That's his pet name for Cindi.
June 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
My rabbi is ignoring me. That's it! I'm joining the Nazi party!
Good thinkin', Debra.
June 14, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why the hell is this story even news? The only reason this undeniably obscure pledged delegate is making the news is to try to reignite the feuds of the past between Clinton and Obama supporters. The individual is obviously stupid.
I take umbrage at all the posters here who suggest that somehow this person's actions are indictive of the feelings of Democrats who supported HRC in the primaries. Also, to the individuals who have tried to inject gender into the debate over this story, I have to say that's incredibly, truly sexist. It's counterproductive and intellectually lazy.
We need to work to unite the party.
June 14, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, ok, you can take umbrage, but she supported Hillary in the primaries.
She may not be the average Hillary supporter, but it's hard for you take umbrage with people for the facts.
And she injected gender - what is so damn verboten about gender? I take umbrage with that - I have a gender. I can jolly well talk about this if I want to.
June 14, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have a gender too and I resent Hillary having one more GNuT than me.
June 15, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
or Cajone.
June 15, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fine. She can support McCain. But she doesn't get to be a Democratic delegate. Show her the freaking door.
June 14, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, if Obama loses in November it will be the fault of the Evil Monster Hillary.
It won't be the fault of Obama the candidate. Because he is the Messiah. He can do no wrong.
You will all blame Hillary the Evil Witch and her racist husband.
The person who called Hillary a monster is Obama's senior foreign policy advisor, not some low level staffer.
June 14, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honey, where did you get that from any of the comments here? No one said anything like that.
If y'all don't want to be accused of being professional martyrs, then knock that off.
June 14, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
The person who called Hillary a monster was 100% correct.
Congrats to Samantha Power for telling the truth about Billary.
June 14, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny that you used the "messiah" line of attack that Limbaugh has begun pushing.
Go back to Troll School and take a semester of Cover & How Not To Blow It 101.
June 14, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama staffer who called Hillary a monster was also asked to resign in under 48 hours. I wish most corporations had that kind of turnaround time.
As for the rest--your imagination is working overtime. Very few people are calling Hillary a witch, if only b/c the Democrats are so wonderfully diverse, even neo-pagans are generally respected :-) No Obama supporters have called Obama a messiah.
Argue with reality, and your arguments will carry more weight.
June 15, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where in the world does she get off throwing that Anthony quote out? How can she possibly say Hillary was ignored? Wasn't Hillary crowing about "18 million votes" for her? How is that being "ignored"?
June 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Say hello to Clayton when y'all git together
June 14, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, Bartoshevich didn't get the quote from Susan B. Anthony, quite right.
Bartoshevich said: "...no self-respecting woman would wish or work for the success of a party which ignores her..."
Susan B Anthony, however, said
"I was never surer of my position that no self-respecting woman would wish or work for the success of a party which ignores her -political rights-." (from pg. 794 from the book, "The Life and Work of Susan B. Anthony," by Ida Husted Harper, 1898.)
I hope Ms Bartoshevich asks herself, in what might be an unusual moment of self-reflection, which party has a consistent track record of ignoring women's rights?
June 15, 2008 12:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's like running away from home because she doesn't feel loved, only to hook up with a pimp.
June 15, 2008 3:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Woman is mental. She needs to be tested.
It is easy to sympathize with the palpable disappointment many may feel and it appears that both the party and the Obama campaign are working to soothe that hurt, but to accept this mutiny now that the campaign ship has sailed is unacceptable.
Perhaps Senator Clinton persuade her with a personal communication to pipe down and stay in the fold, in public at least.
Failing that, the delegate in question should lose her delegate status and an alternate delegate should be named. The little d "democracy" was tested in 50+ contests. Barack Obama is our presumptive nominee.
I was an early Hillary supporter and stayed with her until her endorsement speech. Now I will vigorously support the ticket, as Hillary has recommended.
The stakes are too high to let the Supreme Court be packed with republican appointees like Scalia. Women's issues like choice, are one vote away from
being swept aside. Why would this woman support McCain? Why is she so willing to vote against her own self-interest?
The War is a man-made disaster. The costs are too high in political, monetary and perhaps most overlooked by Bush-Cheney and McCain, human capital.
June 15, 2008 4:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
The person who called Hillary a monster was 100% correct.
Congrats to Samantha Power for telling the truth about Billary.
Well then why would you ask for the votes of the supporters of the Monster and her racist husband?
You don't need them. The Messiah can win the general election with a coalition of african americans and the liberal elite. The same coalition that supported George McGovern. He can win all 50 states. Or is that 57?
June 15, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Either way, he's already won more states than Clinton did.
Again--you're the only one calling Obama a messiah. And Hillary herself is asking for your votes to go to the Democratic frontrunner. Why are you ignoring what your preferred nominee asks, in favor of reacting negatively toward what some anonymous bloggers have to say?
In any case--the only reason Bartoshevich is getting this attention is because she's the exception, not the norm. If something happens all the time, it's no longer news.
June 15, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
TROLL
June 15, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
For the record: Senator Obama won the Wisconsin Primary by a wide margin over Senator Clinton, so this delegate has no grounds to complain on any level. The state she is a delegate from, went big for Obama over Senator Clinton.
June 15, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Hillary herself is asking for your votes to go to the Democratic frontrunner.
She has no choice. It is like a hostage video. The party is holding a gun to her head.
Hillary is doing what Reagan did in 1976. She will endorse the party nominee. Say a few platitudes about unity. Watch him go down to defeat in November. Organize her base for a run in four years.
June 15, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
TROLL
June 15, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think her punishment should be to have to go to the Republican convention and sit next to NEWT and VETTERS.
June 15, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
She is entitled to do what she thinks is right. All of you people need to get off the lady's back. Heck if she wants to vote for McCain, so be it. You people should have spoken up when Chris Matthews and his allies at MSNBC and NBC were being drastically unfair to Hillary therefore pissing off her supporters.
June 15, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh?
You would be hard pressed to find major supporters from the MSNBC/NBC campaign on this website. We have been primarily focused on the democratic primaries. Did you mistake this for a blog about ratings or something?
Maybe I should have started with a more clear question: Who does "You people" refer to?
June 15, 2008 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is she so bitter that she will support someone that is remarkably less like Clinton than Obama? Is she so angry that she can't see what's in her own best interest? Apparently so.
Yes, she can vote for whomever she wants. But she shouldn't be a delegate to the convention in Denver.
I predict that her new elephant pin will get pretty heavy by the time November arrives.
June 17, 2008 8:01 AM | Reply | Permalink