Hillary: I Can Court Obama's Super-Delegates To Switch
Hillary Clinton has floated a new way to defy the Democratic math, which all points to Barack Obama clinching a majority of total delegates later this week: Court Obama's super-delegates to switch over. "One thing about super-delegates is that they can change their minds," Clinton told reporters on her campaign plane last night.
This is all above board in theory, as super-delegates can change their minds at any moment without betraying any sense of small-d democracy. In practice, it's hard to see how Hillary could keep such a fight going all Summer long -- it's more likely that her own super-delegates would start switching to Obama in order to send a clear message that the race is over.















It's like she's intent to embarrass herself.
June 2, 2008 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Captain Ahab Clinton will stop at nothing in her quest for the Great White Whale of the Presidency. Including, apparently, going down with the ship.
June 2, 2008 8:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's the liquid metal nemesis in "Terminator 2". He finally got rid it didn't he?!
June 2, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
She needs an intervention.
June 2, 2008 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
The problem is that many of her potential intervenors need an intervention too. The rest will just go with Obama.
June 2, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's just tough bluster--she's letting her advance staff go.
June 2, 2008 8:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
She truly sounds like that rejected girlfriend who just won't take no for an answer. It's increasingly pathetic, but she will only respond to Very Firm Limits.
June 2, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary, if you count the popular vote the way *I* count the popular vote, you're way behind. You haven't counted the caucus states at all. As a resident of a caucus state who voted for Barak Obama, YOU are trying to disenfranchise me by refusing to count my vote in the popular vote totals. Why are you trying to disenfranchise all of the caucus states in your fraudulent attempt to hijack super delegates with bogus popular vote numbers? Hmmmm?
June 2, 2008 8:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think some of her superdelegates need to switch MacAuliffe was on Morning Joe talking big shit, that this isn't over.
June 2, 2008 9:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is profoundly sad. She has lost, but she could have kept her dignity. If this goes on much longer, Hillary will have Harold Stassen-ized herself in one election.
June 2, 2008 9:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Dr. Evil, you can court Obama's delegates AND ask for a 'MIL-yon' dollars.
It is beyond intervention time . . . Now it is mercy killing . . . Soon to be . . . Protecting future legacy.
We will be reading that she could be the DEM nominee for 2008 a decade from now.
June 2, 2008 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Saturday, even though her supers on the committee outnumbered Obama's 13 to 9, she lost. If her people had been all that loyal she would have been able to block the Michigan compromise. Instead we were subjected to Harold Ickes whining like a crybaby.
After tomorrow there are no more primaries. I have a hunch a whole lot of uncommitted superdelegates are already lined up to support Barack Obama. He will make his big announcement tomorrow night. The remaining uncommitted supers will jump on board. After tomorrow she will have a hard time gaining visibility as Obama and McCain square off.
June 2, 2008 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
That Stassen comment is right on! Who would have thought? -------- I don't think she can help herself. She is, as McClellan said about GWB, in "permanent campaign mode" and can't stop those gears from running and controlling everything, including her mouth apparently!
June 2, 2008 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, you've got about 5 or 6 more SDs to court now. Better hurry. The number just keeps getting higher.
Oh yeah, and do you have some kind of a strategy for holding onto to the SDs you already have?
June 2, 2008 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
If I'm not mistaken, she's had super-delegates switch to Obama, but there hasn't been a single Obama supporter switch to her. She seems to be living in her own little fantasy world, anymore.
Meanwhile, we've GOT to get started on the general election. McCain is making plenty of gaffes, but the media still want to focus on Clinton. An egotist's dream, I suppose, but not good for the party or the country.
June 2, 2008 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
There was one guy who switch from Hillary to Obama, then back to Hillary.
June 2, 2008 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, as a technicality, there was that one guy that switched from Clinton to Obama, and then switched back again. So that kind of counts as a SD switching from Obama to Clinton. I think he was from one of the islands-Virgin Islands or maybe Guam or something. Can't remember off the top of my head.
June 2, 2008 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I believe there was one SD from Puerto Rico who initially supported her, switched to Obama, and then just recently switched back.
June 2, 2008 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Aha! That island. (And oh yeah, great minds blah blah).
June 2, 2008 9:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
He's from the Virgin Islands.
June 2, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
You've got to wonder when feistiness turned into delusion.
One thing that worries me is that the Clintons have painted them -- and their trusting supporters-- into a box, and that this will bleed into the general. By refusing to be gracious at any stage of this primary, by using rhetoric that hardened racial and gender identity to hang onto support by gullible people, by refusing to be candid about anything, at any time, for any reason, my fear is that she and Bill have created a cadre of people for whom this becomes the "lost cause." Women who can't realize that this woman wasn't the right one, for instance, and who've bought into the dead end of identity politics one last time, one time too many, and now can't move on.
A family member, a woman who's in her 60s and who is an ardent Obama supporter, told me this weekend that she'd visited an old family friend, a woman in her late 80s on Sunday. The older woman was telling her (not realizing she was an Obama supporter, but assuming she was supporting the woman in the race) how Hillar was going to take Puerto Rico and "take it all the way to the convention."
Now, I understand this woman's passion. She has to feel that this is the only time she'll see a woman in the White House as President.
But Hillary is setting her supporters, people like this woman, up for a massive dissilusionment by not preparing them for defeat. She's harming them by not letting them hear from her that she's facing realtity. She's like all too many leaders in the past who are willing to sacrifice followers because they cannot or will not let go when the time comes. The time has certainly come.
Someone needs to go have a talk with Hillary. Now.
The supers need to put this thing out of its misery. Now. It would be a kindness, and not just for Hillary. It will be better in the long run to lance this boil before it turns to gangrene.
June 2, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
But Hillary is setting her supporters, people like this woman, up for a massive dissilusionment by not preparing them for defeat. She's harming them by not letting them hear from her that she's facing realtity.
Not only that, she's raking in millions of dollars from these people as well!
June 2, 2008 9:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
And she's contributing to the nation's childhood obesity epidemic by asking our nation's young people to donate their bicycles :-p
June 2, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Already there, unfortunately. It's time for some intervention to heal the terrible damage that Hillary has done. It will take some serious intervention from the best talent that they have in the Democratic Leadership and, frankly, from Obama. And I think they can do it, but first they have to get Hillary out of the way. Send her on a very long vacation. I hear Puerto Rico is nice this time of year.:)
June 2, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
So much for exiting the race with any class or dignity.
June 2, 2008 9:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I repeat, to exit the race with class someone would have to give her some!
June 2, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
When I was at the Iowa caucus I was talking to someone who (like me, natch) was an Obama supporter. She was a young woman, either just out of college or in her last year or something.
Anyway, she told me that even though she was voting for Obama, she really admired Clinton. In particular she thought Clinton was poised
I wonder what she thinks of her now.
June 2, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
How do you spell delusional?
H-i-l-l-a-r-y.
June 2, 2008 9:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jeez people, cut her some slack (God, I can't believe I just said that). The last elections are tomorrow and she's got to say something about why people should vote for her.
This is quite litereally the only thing she could say in response to the question why should anyone bother to vote for you at this point? You know short of the truth, which is pretty academic at this point.
That said, it is unfortunate that her ever credulous followers, like HillaryClinton08, will buy into this theory and further postpone their trip down the Kubler-Ross trail.
June 2, 2008 9:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hahaha
She is making a complete fool of herself. I mean she has been doing that the entire campaign, but this is priceless.
PLLEEAASSEEE keep it up Hillary, I want to erase ANY talk of a nightmare ticket!
June 2, 2008 9:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm confident she's finishing up.
First, the money is drying up. The big donors have nearly stopped, and the small ones will. She doesn't want to spend the whole Clinton fortune on this vanity project. Plus, once it's clear that Bill isn't going back to the White House, his ability to raise another fortune will drop rather rapidly.
Second, her most valuable political backers are sensible party people. Rangel and Shumer see the long view. Emanuel and Gephardt and Rendell and Bayh do as well. They're ready to be campaigning for the nominee, and they want her doing the same thing. If she doesn't move on her own, they'll advise her that she needs to get it done or they'll switch in a way that hurts her further. My guess is that they don't have to tell her.
Third, her Sunday surrogates weren't really making a case: they were just demonstrating what the campaign is going to say from now until 2,118. They're proving that she really had a principle about staying in until it's over--so they don't have to admit they were hoping for a meteor or just being stubborn. Three weeks ago, they all said "three more weeks," and I think they've been giving her their best game for just that long.
And finally, I think both the Senator and the former President will, in the end, do what's right for the party, the country, and the planet. And the end is very close.
June 2, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think both the Senator and the former President will, in the end, do what's right for the party, the country, and the planet. And the end is very close.
A few weeks ago I would have agreed, but as this has drawn on I am not so sure.
June 2, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's become a parody of herself.
I didn't used to give much credence to the Clinton conspiracy theorists, but I'm beginning to think her strategy is no longer to win this thing, but to so wound Obama that he won't be able to win the general. Then, she can come to the rescue in 2012.
June 2, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
2012 seems out of the question for her. If she tried to run again, there would be this collective, "Oh, Crap. Not again."
Had she left the race earlier, run a more honorable campaign, it might be possible. But I think she sank any chance in 2012 when she cemented all her negatives by hanging on too long, by convincing many people that she has no real core values, save what might give her a political advantage.
And I think she knows this, now. No turning back. No 2012. Since the conventional wisdom is set, that she has no honor, she might as well go out by leaving claw marks behind.
June 2, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
The real reason she's talking big smack is that she wants to squeeze every last precious penny out of her supporters before she is forced to concede. Who else is going to pay Mark Penn? It's not coming out of *her* pocket, if she can help it.
June 2, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lotsa luck with that, Hill.
I think you'd stand a better chance of convincing Bill to keep Lil' Bill in his pants.
June 2, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton is the Black Knight.
It is only a flesh wound...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno
June 2, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Meh, she's been saying this for months. I don't think it justifies her staying in the race beyond tomorrow, though...it's pretty clear which way the wind's been blowing as far as superdelegates. I don't see her win in PR suddenly causing an avalanche (which is what she'd need), especially with Obama poised to win two states tomorrow.
June 2, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
NCSteve, the ever-wise....
I've just got that feeling, you know the one, where you've had to sit on a hard chair in a meeting for an hour too long, and your butt is numb?
That's how this primary season is making me feel.
But you're right to point out that this is larger than Hillary's views on ... anything.
Having had all of these state primaries has set us up for a 50-state set of volunteers, donors and campaign staff who are now better for having had the practice. I know I've certainly learned a lot, as this was the first time I've been involved in any serious way (volunteering time, giving money, even running as an Obama delegate!) in presidential politics since JFK ran. It's been a lot of fun, and hanging out with the cool people here at TPM has been a privilege.
Now. On to Montana and South Dakota, so I can get some feeling back in that part of my anatomy I mentioned finally.
Obama '08. Onward and upward.
June 2, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
As AP reported in the aftermath of PR. She has three options:
1)Concede immediately and endorse Obama
2)Take it to the convention
3)Suspend the campaign and wait for a lightening to strike.
She has no traction even among her own supporters to take this to the convention. I think she will "suspend" the campaign, wait for a week or two before endorsing Obama.
June 2, 2008 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps Hill should solicit support from every woman her husband has cheated on her with.
Now THERE is a metric that WOULD allow her to surpass Obama in 'POPULAR' VOTES.
June 2, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Which stage is ALL CAPS???!!!!!!!!!!!
June 2, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dammit. That was supposed to be in response to NCSteve.
June 2, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone who thinks that Hillary is going to concede without attempting to have a floor fight at the convention is as delusional as she.
Hillary has no intention of conceding just as she had no intention of taking her name off that MI ballot even though she SAID it wouldn't count. This is classic Clinton triangulation.
What is going on here is that she is being allowed to claim she has the most votes and that in a democracy the winner is the one with the most votes. This flat out is wrong when it is a NOMINATING PROCESS by a PRIVATE political party!
No one, not even Howard Dean yesterday told Blitzer that votes do not count that this is about delegates. Until someone starts saying that this entire situation is going to fester and explode because her supporters truly believe she actually has some claim on the nomination and she does NOT.
This is a disgrace. The issue is the no backbone superdelegates they are the ones allowing this to drag out. Which is why Richardson said what he said most likely. Hillary is still threatening people which is why Richardson said they need to take a risk.
Did anyone stop to think what risk he could possibly be talking about? Why would endorsing Obama at this juncture be a risk to a superdelegate?
She is going to the convention folks. Pelosi may be able to keep it off the floor and kill the entire process in the credentials committee but if not..we are witnessing the Clintons once again take the Democratic party down.
Drag us all through the muck and mire for their own personal greed and ambition.
They spent a fortune defending Bill from that bodily fluid on the blue dress...HARD FACTUAL evidence folks, undisputable...and what did the Clintons do? They fought it tooth and nail to the bitter end and dragged the entire nation right down the semen path with them, to the point that children all over the country asked their parents what was oral sex and the morning paper had all the tawdry details on the front page!!
They did that when they were completely WRONG. They spent truckloads of donors money and left the White House deeply in debt. So, anyone ANYONE who thinks they will not use their HUNDREDS of MILLIONS now to tear down this party in pursuit of Hillary's and Bills need to go BACK to the white house is CRAZY.
Reverend Pfleger was right..Hillary and Bill feel ENTITLED. Hillary has already polarized this issue on the basis of race, she is making this nomination into a friggin civil war all because she believes because she is white and MRS Bill Clinton she is ENTITLED. They already have Ferraro out their talking that affirmative action smack, focusing on Obama's race withOUT ever once owning up to the fact that it is HIllary who is the affirmative action candidate and has been from the start.
The Clintons will NEVER concede this is a brawl folks so get ready to sling mud or duck cause the shyt is hitting the fan...
June 2, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Too much whiskey in her own kool-aid.... she can't seriously believe that.... she needs to get out of her vacuum-sealed echo chamber/bubble return to reality, talk to normal people (not yes men and women who want to take her money) and wake the ***** up! She's gotta start focusing on her senate seat- which she will lose keeping up these hysterics.
June 2, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
To exit the race with dignity assumes she had any to begin with.
June 2, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why would Superdels now switch back to Clinton when most of her followers are now backing McCain?
June 2, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Most of her supporters will pull the lever for Obama. Most of her followers who insist that they will vote McCain were never for Hillary to begin with. They are dittoheads. Rush and Hannity gave them marching orders... because they have nothing better to do. McCain can not fire up the base, so the threat of a third Clinton term had to suffice.
Obama now has enough baggage to rally the base. The dirty work was done entirely by the Clinton campaign and the infotainment media. The general election can now begin because McCain can simply point to Obama and hint that he is a:
Weak, elite, empty-suit cult of personality that harbors secret muslim and black power alliances.
Hillary proved to be a marvelous trojan horse for the new Scaife funded Arkansas Project.
June 2, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I would laugh out loud if it were in my character to do so, but it isn't, so I will grant you a smirk for clever reasoning, more5600.
June 2, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I can court Obama's Super-Delegates to switch"
And I can try and poop gold, but we both know neither of those are happening.
June 2, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why is the media, such as NY Times, allowing the Clintons to peddle the story line -- the big lie -- that the nomination is being "stolen" from Hillary? She lost, fair and square. But take Ickes' "hijacked" comments and add Clinton adviser Mandy Grunwald, who said this yesterday:
"If a female candidate, the first successful one in history, goes into the convention leading in the popular vote and it's taken away from her, how do you think women are going to feel, heading into the November election?”
It's become clear, as Russert pointed out yesterday on Meet the Press, that the Clintons are trying to put an asterix on Obama's nomination. And the media is complicit.
Call me crazy, but somehow I think if Obama were white, the Clintons would not dare try to taint his victory and, if they did, the Times etc would smack them down. But there's enough lingering racism in the country, stoked by the Clintons this time around, which has seeped into the national consciousness about this primary battle, so that people are prone to believing "well, there must be something amiss" with a black candidate's victory.
June 2, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary will be the nominee. How do I know this? It could end only one possible way for her. Ever see the movie Carrie? The Denver convention will play out like the prom scene from the film.
June 2, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Hillary: please break the cycle of abuse. Whatever abuse you yourself suffered in the past, you have now become the prime abuser of your party, and even your own devoted followers. One suspects that they, too, have abuse in their personal histories; what you are doing will just add to their unfortunate cummulative experience, once they figure out that they have been used for your gain.
Is this the example of ethics, by the way, you want Chelsea to follow in her life? Set her free by accepting responsibility for your own mistakes.
June 2, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good point. Hillary's behavior, does feel like emotional abuse.
When Hillary got an A on her report card, her father would respond by telling her that the course must have been easy. It's possible that unconsciously, she is afraid to fail, because of her father's conditioning.
While it's bad enough when someone acts out their childhood abuse in their own family, it's disastrous when the fate of the nation and even the world, is held hostage to a president's psycho drama.
As a country, we've been there, done that.
June 2, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lots of women will be voting for a female candidate in November. They're not disillusioned.
They just have to "get the point across." So they WILL vote McKinney, even though they might not be in agreement with her platform.
June 2, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whew!
According to HuffPo, Hillary is likely to suspend her campaign, and endorse Obama tomorrow or the next day.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/02/clinton-summons-top-donor_n_104715.html
June 2, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has been declaring Mission Accomplished ever since Iowa. Fortunately, the rules are that the unDemocratic Party does not have a nominee until the delegates vote at the convention.
According caucus states an estimated popular vote is misleading because in those states where both popular votes and caucuses have been held -- Obama takes the caucus but Hillary does better in the popular voting. So if what you are really interested in is what the people think ....
Obama is not a small d democrat. His latest ploy is to have his campaign brag that he could have stolen all the votes in Michigan and hence just stealing four delegates from Hillary is an olive branch we should feel grateful for.
This after his lie that the rules required him to take his name off the ballot. This is the first 'election' in America that I have seen where someone not on the ballot is awarded votes.
That attitude -- that he is entitled to steal votes -- alone would be enough to convince me to vote for anyone else.
June 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink