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Hillary Campaign: She Will Not Concede Tonight
The Hillary campaign rushes out this response to the Associated Press story reporting that Hillary will concede tonight:
The AP story is incorrect. Senator Clinton will not concede the nomination this evening.
If McAuliffe is to be believed, however, she will concede pretty much right after Obama clinches the magic number.
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my little heart cant take much more of this.
June 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I mean, really, is any of this surprising? And, then they want Senator Obama to offer her the VP spot - WTF?!?!?!?!?!?
June 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ridden pony . . . Meet Hell.
No, this is not unexpected. Clinton's campaign has done not one thing unexpected. Clinton's campaign has the drum of a nonplused heartbeat.
June 3, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Greg, they yanked your chains too this time ? How does that feel ?
June 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually this Clinton debacle reminds me of that saddam Hussein spokesman who, with a straight face, appeared on Tv saying US soldiers are nowhere near bagdad even as live pictures showed US troops marching on the Iraqi capital. Denial denial denial. All they gotta do is concede the nomination to its rightful owner Barack Obama courtesy of the US voters.
June 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good analogy! I forgot about that dude.
June 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, it’s the Clinton camp's fault that the press, echoed by TPM and others, repeatedly pushes the idea that she has lost (especially right before primaries where people will stay home on reading that)?
June 3, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
geez
June 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have never seen a more disorganized operation
June 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is exactly what I was thinking.
They rack discipline (southpark reference.)
June 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn. Where are these gd super endorsements? Comeon people get off your a** and end this nightmare. It's really absurd.
June 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I see that Obama has 2.5 today, Hillary has none. Obama has 37 to go.
June 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Over @ Marc Ambinder
June 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm betting there's not enough of them to prevent pushing Obama over the top. Pelosi and Dean will see to that.
June 3, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are parsing this. She will give her speech before the polls close in Montana to avoid having to concede today. He will hit the number tonight and she will talk with him privately before his speech in Minnesota.
She will formally suspend her campaign on Wednesday.
June 3, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think that is right. This is all about optics.
June 3, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I keep hearing this, but I don't see how Obama hits the number tonight unless a much larger group of superdelegates comes out during the day today.
I am growing increasingly frustrated with the Democratic party's inability to rally decisively to its nominee, given that the reality of that nomination has been known for several weeks. Obama effectively pulled his starters two weeks ago, and has been busy working and expending his resources on unifying the party, going after John McCain every day, and campaigning mainly in places like Florida and Michigan rather than Puerto Rico, South Dakota and Montana.
How is he rewarded for his constructive behavior? Clinton has left all her starters in the game, and is bent on scoring late touchdowns with no other apparent purpose than to embarrass and weaken Obama in the closing hours of the campaign, and to depress his totals in theses late states while he is trying to turn his attention to more important matters.
It looks to me that she is still working hard to inflict an embarrassing loss on Obama, and then make a final desperate pleas to supers tomorrow that Obama is fading and they should switch. We are going to have more controversy and indecision, and destructive intra-party arguments about electability, when we should be getting on with it.
I'm really starting to lose my patience with the superdelegates for allowing this debacle to develop. Enough is enough! Instead of helping to orchestrate a climactic clinch and enthusiastic general election sendoff for Obama, we are going to get more confusing media noise, misdirection, crossed signals and unresolved questions. And we are going to get two more weird and awkward speeches tonight, as each candidate dances all around the political diplomacy of the race that is effectively over, but is not quite over.
The party weakness on display here is frightening and revolting.
June 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two more SuperDels from MI for Obama just now, including Debbie Dingell. He's down to needing only 35.5 for the nomination. That's 5 endorsements so far today for 2.5 votes and the day's only half over.
The momentum is building!
June 3, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry - 5 endorsements worth 3 votes.
June 3, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, please take your foot out of your mouth so we can hear what you are saying.
June 3, 2008 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope turnip was correct at 11:28 AM:
"They are parsing this. She will give her speech before the polls close in Montana to avoid having to concede today. He will hit the number tonight and she will talk with him privately before his speech in Minnesota.
She will formally suspend her campaign on Wednesday."
At 11:42 AM The Fix posted a careful parsing of the competing claims & denials.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/?hpid=topnews
We need to understand the legal differences for Hillary between "concede" and "suspend," but either way Barack has won! Yay.
June 3, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
"...We need to understand the legal differences for Hillary between "concede" and "suspend.."
I agree... and what the SD's that have backed Obama understand by it too.
Obama needs to seal the deal. Hillary's political knife needs to be removed from her hand.
June 3, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons just punked CNN.
Too funny.
June 3, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Too funny."
No funnier than Clinton failing to become the Democratic nominee.. :)
June 3, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really grown-up thing for the wannabe POTUS.
June 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shame will never get to see all those Clinton/Kutcher '08 buttons.
June 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right.
A WAR on the press worked so well for Nixon and Agnew.
Great srategy!
June 3, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
What they really said was , 'Hillary will conceit tonight.' So this is really nothing new, and is great news for Hillary, dontcha think?
June 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey gotalife, it looks like you were right.
There is a Michelle Obama tape out there...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOufWYodCc8
This is gonna be bad. Good thing Hillary's holding off on conceding.
I'm concerned about this...I really want to win this election!!!
June 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Inbred does as inbred is . . .
It is sad to see the Clinton News Network being so misinformed . . . Just like her campaign . . .
June 3, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Posted in the earlier thread, but more appropriate here:
The psychodrama will not end until we hear the words uttered by Hillary herself.
June 3, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
And maybe not then, since she HAS been known to prevaricate.
June 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
True. Sad, but true.
June 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Well, when I said in June that I conceded the nomination to Senator Obama, what I meant was that it appeared at that time that he had sufficient support to become the Party's candidate. However, as I've always maintained, facts on the ground can change..."
June 3, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a pathetic, disorganized bunch. Thank God they'll never set foot inside the White House.
June 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, they were in the whitehouse for 8 years. And there sure was a hell of a lot of drama and chaos at the time :P.
It wasn't that bad, but looking back now it's clear how the clinton's dishonesty and drama filled antics really contributed to the partisan crazyness of the '90s. I mean just look at how the democratic base has become. What's refreshing about Obama is that he brings the good governing sense of the Clintons but without all the drama.
June 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, "parsing." That is the most highly developed Clinton skill, isn't it?
June 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn.
June 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Deja'Vu
Terry cannot get anymore identical to Baghdad Bob. I'm having a Deja'vu- It's like Bob on TV hailing Saddam as Baghdad fell in the backdrop
June 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am wondering if they will try to assimilate these folks i.e. Terry McAuliffe, Lanny Davis, Mandy Grumwald, Howard Wolfson, et al.(look you in the eye, and with a poker face, lie, lie, lie) into the Obama campaign? The republicans and independents will have no faith in him, and there would go his chances to win the POTUS.
June 3, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
it's not like the Clinton campaign saying they will or won't do something means they will abide by it. it's still an open question.
June 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who the heck is their communications director now? This disorganization is embarrassing.
June 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
June 3, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
We love you so, idiotic!
June 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes!!
Thank you I-man.
June 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
The crops are saved!! :)
June 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
WHERE'VE YOU BEEN?
June 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are sooooooo right!
June 3, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, Baby!!!
June 3, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't these people talk to each other before they start releasing statements?
For the past two days everyone in Camp Hillary has been falling all over themselves to contradict everyone else.
Such a well-run organization, I must say.
June 3, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
This just in - Obama's campaign still pushing false stories to the press in the hopes of pressuring Hillary to concede. This just in - Obama campaign still pushing (and then pulling back from) false stories of a LARGE BLOC of senators, the ENTIRE NC NC Congressional delegation, 50 SUPER DELS right after super Tuesday all set to endorse him enmasse.
Here's a clue - STFU and let the superdels come to you rather than publicly declaring them before their real. The poor Obama supporters get their wittle hearts up and then get so disappointed when it doesn't come to fruition. It's funny as hell, but it's still not right.
Carry On!
June 3, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is that bitterness I taste in the air?
June 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well i guess that BO guy has a lot of sway in AP news organization.
June 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't you know its the "Chicago machine" at work. Or Al Capone. Or little green men. Sexist little green men.
Or something else that sprang fully formed from the feverish imaginations of very, very sore losers.
June 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sexist, inadequate little green men?!??!1
June 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
You really think the Obama campaign is behind these false stories? Really?
I suppose Bill Clinton didn't say what he's been quoted as saying yesterday then. Either that, or he's part of the Obama campaign already.
June 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bill said this MAY be the last time he's on the campaign trail. Did he say Hillary's packing it in? NO.
It's a ploy to affect voters in SD & MT and hopefully have Obama end the nomination on a high note with blowout victory sinc ethey are actively trying to tell people it's all over. Reeks of desperation to me. Could SD & MT be closer than anticipated?
June 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, you're saying that Bill's comment was a ploy to have "Obama end the nomination on a high note with blowout victory"?
How exactly does the blame land at Obama's feet?
If you want to criticize the media, have at it. But tell me how this is Obama's fault if the media is misunderstanding what's coming out of the Clinton campaign?
June 3, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
He didn't say it may be his last time on the campaign trail, he said it may be the last day he's ever involved in a campaign of this kind.
June 3, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, dijamo, this is how much I love you: I think all of this is just more fun than not, cause your head is going to 'asplode when she finally does concede.
Can't wait!
June 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are perhaps the most clueless person who has ever posted here. And that's saying something, given the Algonquin round table Hillary supporters have put together.
June 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Although I prefer calling it the "circle-jerk", your characterization is priceless!
June 3, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
As your attorney, I agree!
June 3, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's hitting the number today, tomorrow, soon. No need to push anybody into anything. Then the general starts in earnest, and you are going to have to consider tolerating the Obamabots....
It's way past time for ALL Democrats, and all clear thinking people everywhere to gear up against McCain. We need Hillary in this fight, and we need you to put a Democrat in White House next year.
June 3, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Late Update: We may not "need" you. But your support would be nice.
June 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oooohhh... Somebody's in a nasty mood today.
June 3, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
"This just in - Obama's campaign still pushing false stories to the press in the hopes of pressuring Hillary to concede."
This just in - nonsensical Hillary supporters still blaming the Obama campaign for all their candidate's colossal missteps. I know that your candidate being on the business end of a crushing defeat can be a bit disheartening, but embarrassing yourself with commentary dripping with utter desperation doesn't do anyone any good.(Thats a lie, you are always great for a laugh)
June 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and you are a sniveling twit with the I.Q of lunch-meat.
Carry On!
June 3, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
This seems to be a pattern, set by the Clintons themselves.
June 3, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I see you are still high on stupid pills.
June 3, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
In the new spirit of party unity, here goes nothin':
Dijamo is absolutely right. We should allow the electoral process to play itself out and not try to force an outcome prematurely. Also, we must be sure not to behave like gloating and/or petulant children when the outcome is known.
Thank you, dijamo, for pointing this out and I look forward to us all working together to ensure that the nominee of the Democratic Party (whichever of the fine, highly qualified candidates it may be) becomes the next President of the United States.
Warmest personal regards,
John Bigboote
June 3, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
What is it about the Clintons and their supporters. They see conspiracies EVERYWHERE. Lay off the MacBeth or something!
June 3, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just cuz the great, grand and glorious Goddette has blood on her hands does not mean that we should not WARship her . . .
June 3, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like I said, keep the stake and silver bullets handy. This is pathetic.
It's like the last act in Gypsy. I expect Clinton to burst into Rose's Turn tonight!
http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/gypsy/rosesturn.htm
June 3, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
O that's a good one.
June 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I don't know Gypsy, but it seems to me rather like the entire Godfather series.
June 3, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
he didn't address what the AP said.
the AP said she will concede tonight that obama has the delegates for the nomination. i don't believe it said that she will concede the nomination at this point ... in fact it said she will not. wolfson is answering the wrong question.
June 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like I said, keep the stake and silver bullets handy. This is pathetic.
It's like the last act in Gypsy. I expect Clinton to burst into Rose's Turn tonight!
http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/gypsy/rosesturn.htm
June 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Told you, a graceful exit is not her M.O.:
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/06/face-facts-with-dignity.html
June 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
I feel compelled to point out to you that it's the Associated Press' fault for misreporting this. They had no on the record statement in their story. We have no idea where it came from.
June 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
not really .. she can concede that obama has the delegates for the nomination (at the moment) and still not concede the nomination process. it AP isn't necessary wrong ... except for the conclusion that they and others reached.
June 3, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Could they have been interpreting McAuliffe's own statements on MSNBC this morning?
Isn't he an "official" and didn't he say, "she'll concede when Obama hits the number of delegates".
The only thing extrapolated is that it will be today.
June 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
the difference is that AP definitively said it would happen tonight.
I can tell you categorically that this is not a message the Hillary campaign wanted out there.
It's surprising that the AP didn't go to the campaign for comment on something this big
June 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, Greg, Greg! Read it! The AP story says Clinton will acknowledge that Obama has the delegates. The Clinton campaign says she won't concede. This is not a response to the AP story. It's spin.
June 3, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
What, precisely, does the AP story say will happen tonight? You're a reporter--I can't believe how careless you are sometimes.
June 3, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
They didn't misreport anything, Greg. Read the AP story. Then read the statement from the Clinton campaign. There's a lot of parsing going on in the Clinton campaign's statement. Just read it more carefully.
June 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
True, we don't.
I rather doubt they plucked it out of thin air, however...
June 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
OBAMA
June 3, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yeah, because you know, if you're the AP you go to the Obama campaign to source a story on whether Hillary is going to concede, definitely, definitely Obama is responsible for this completely irresponsible statement.
June 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
They won't admit it anyway because they're liars. Like when they tried to deny they planetd a story with Brokaw about 500 imaginary super dels set to endourse right after Super Tuesday. I am totally against the super duper secret tips to the press. I think if someone gives you shitty info, you should be able to identify them - not the person necessariilly but the general source it came from so people know what the motivation was to put forth such disinformation. Goes for GWB administration and just as much Obama's campaign. Hillary's campaign seems to very rarely put forth information privately that she is not willing to say herself even if it gets her into trouble - like "hard working white voters". Obama hides behind secret I HAVE SUPER DELS IN MY BACK POCKET and HEY HILLARY'S GOING TO CONCEDE TONIGHT SO DON'T UYOU FOLKS IN SD &MT WORRY ABOUT VOTING. Pathetic.
June 3, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why would the AP run with a story about the Clinton's that came from the Obama campaign? Such a claim doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.
That might work if you're a blogger but not the AP. The story would definitely have been sourced from her campaign which means that Obama must have hired double agents to infiltrate her campaign in order to leak lies about her intentions to the media.
Either that or the wheels are coming off and there's no one in charge and no message control. Or is that too obvious for you?
June 3, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
haha! You have no evidence that Obama was behind any of those stories!
"They won't admit it because they're liars."
Just pathetic.
June 3, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
The AP sourced the news as "campaign officials" but didn't say which campaign. Usually if it's a Clnton person they'll say sources close to the Hillary Clinton campaign who do not want to be identified or an unidentified aide to Hillary and so forth. Their phrasing was particularly broad and unusally so which caught my attention. That said, why would anyone in the HRC campaign concede she is withdrawing before people are done voting. Really it's not to hard to put on a thinking cap and say - to who's advantage is this "breaking news". Usually that's a pretty good indicator of an anonymous source - especially one sourced THAT anonymously.
June 3, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't you call the AP and ask for clarification. Then consider going back on your meds.
June 3, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
You honestly think AP would run with a story about Hillary conceding that was ONLY sourced anonymously from someone at the Obama campaign?
June 3, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yuh huh absolutely. Get it first is the name of the game. Get it right is clearly no longer important seeing as they didn't even contact the HRC campaign for an official response. Here's how the conversation may have played out.
Axelrod: Pssst HRC promised to concede tonight. Spread the news,
AP Reporter: Great news! I am so excited. Obama rocks! Let me rush this to press with no journalistic standards whatsoever and then I'll do my happy dance!
Axelrod: They can't know it's from us - how can we deflect attention
AP reporter: I know how about "Campaign Official". Just shady enough so it can be misinterpreted as from the hillary camp while not being an outright lie to save my last shred of journalistic dignity.
Axelrod - perfect! sounds like a deal.
AP Reporter: Let me just verify over with HRC campaign
Axelrod: Why you wanna do that? Trust don't verify. Run with it.
AP Reporter: How could I ever doubt you? I apologize for having offended Obama. Your wish is my command.
June 3, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pathetic, dijamo.
That's much more likely than some low-level Clinton staffer going off message.
June 3, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Campaign officials is not how any real journalist would source a low level staffer. Campaign officials is high level folks. Try again.
June 3, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you want them to write "Clinton will concede tonight according to Clinton campaign officials."
I know it just rolls off the tongue but I don't think it's in the AP style guide.
June 3, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a pretty accurate quote of the source from inside the Clinton campaign to AP:
Two Clinton aides have told The Associated Press that for all intents and purposes, her campaign is over. Obama could clinch the nomination Tuesday night, or even sooner.
The aides say once that happens, the New York senator will acknowledge that he's got the necessary delegates, but stop short of formally suspending or ending her campaign. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to divulge her plans.
This of course before that rogue (and quickly corrected) HRC WILL CONCEDE TUESDAY NIGHT AP Article sourced by anonyomous "campaign officials" Whose campaign again?
One day maybe you too will be able to see through nonsense bullshit like that, but until then keep believing whatever Barack's campaign tells you to believe.
June 3, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wrong.
The AP story did not say she'd concede tonight. It said: "Hillary Rodham Clinton will concede Tuesday night that Barack Obama has the delegates to secure the Democratic nomination, campaign officials said..."
June 3, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
*sigh* The article says she will concede that he has the number of delegates needed TUESDAY NIGHT assuming that Obama will have the necessary delegates as of TONIGHT. Hillary's campaign has been saying since last night and all morning she will not make that concession UNTIL HE GETS TO THE MAGIC NUMBER whenever that may be and they don't expect it to be tonight. So where is this certainty coming from again? That's right - OBAMA's campaign.
June 3, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Show me the proof (or, fuck that, any evidence) that it came from Obama. It's as simple as that.
June 3, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the certainty is coming from the APs internal tally of delegates. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/ap_obama_has_clinched_the_nomi.php
June 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
And until those delegates are publicly declared Hillary will not concede. So unless the AP knows for certain they will all be public today, how can they know for a certainty that Clinton's concession will come today? Unless.... campaign officials OBAMA CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS told them. Thanks for the confirmation :)
June 3, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, come on. You're really reaching.
Obama is not the only person who can speak with undelcared SDs. The AP has kept their only tallies and contacted SDs themselves. They just declared him the winner based on their own reporting, not numbers from the Obama campaign.
You're conspiracy theory is really sad.
June 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
The fact that the AP has called it for him before Obama even has should be enough evidence that he's not sourcing the stories. Don't you think he'd want to declare victory if he could?
June 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think he wants other people to do his dirty work for him and pressure Hill to exit the race NOW and give her speech tonight rather than privately congratulate him if he does get the # of delegates tomorrow as was indicated in the earlier AP story that sourced Aides to HRC. The "campaign sources" shit as transparent as saran wrap and you know it but don't want to admit it. No real journalist would use sourcing so broadly unless it was specifically intentional.
June 3, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a crackpot conspiracy theory, dijamo. Absent of even the slightest evidence. At least lose with some dignity.
June 3, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
i just wanted to have the last word and the narrowest thread ever. At least I can savor in this minor victory because it's going to be sad when Hill eventually acknowledges Obama's del lead. It's going to be even worse in Novemebr when it's time to say hello president McCain.
June 3, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
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June 3, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
u are a monster. y must u ruin my victory parade?
June 3, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
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June 3, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
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June 3, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mike Allen at the politico describes a split at the top of the Clinton camp. Could that possible explain the mixed messages or is it Obamatage!
June 3, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Low level or high level. It doesn't change the fact that your assumption is based on nothing but sour grapes.
June 3, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
A "real journalist" wouldn't refer to a low level staffer as a "campaign official" but a "real journalist" would write a story about Clinton conceding based only on an anonymous Obama source.
Glad we cleared that up.
June 3, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
A real journalist who is smart enough to not indicate in the article which campaign it came from. Aren't you in journalism? Nothing in that Obama campaign press release...oops AP story stike you as odd? Come on! Don't make me send you back to Journalism 101.
June 3, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, The AP story did not say she'd concede tonight. It said: "Hillary Rodham Clinton will concede Tuesday night that Barack Obama has the delegates to secure the Democratic nomination, campaign officials said..."
June 3, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg is the one who threw up the "Hillary Will Concede Tonight" headline. Not the AP.
June 3, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we need an intervention here. You've gone completely off the deep end. It's an election. Your candidate lost, it's not the end of the world. You'll see. Just step away from the computer and keep yourself busy with something, anything--just stay away from the election for a few days.
Your common sense will return.
June 3, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm off the deep end? I'm not the one hurling insults at others. You folks are way off the reservation.
June 3, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The superdelegate flood is upon us, so your point is moot any motherfucking way..
June 3, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Djamo, you know that Obama secretly bought AP last year, right? I read it on a website, so I know it's true.
June 3, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
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June 3, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could you cite evidence for this accusation or is last your nanogram of remaining credibility less important than your need to spout inanities?
June 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just ignore her. She woke up on the LSD side of the bed this morning.
June 3, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is really sad. There were times these past few months when she offered a challenging and engaging debate. Now, she's reduced to petty trolling. I do hope she comes back to her wits.
June 3, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed.
June 3, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
She'll be a valuable asset when she realizes her choices are Obama, McCain, Barr and Nader.
One of them has 95% policy commonality with her candidate of choice.
One of them is going to be working WITH her candidate of choice to improve this country.
She's a smart and very capable poster. When the time comes, I'm sure she'll circle the wagons with us and take on McCain.
It'll just take a little time...
June 3, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd have to agree with you, based upon what Obama has done in the past. My guess is that the only reason he called to congratulate Hillary about Puerto Rico is so that afterwards he could lie to the press and say that they've come to some sort of agreement and that she was going to concede. This is the way he plays the game, and it's very ugly. God help our nation when all we have to choose from is Obama or McCain.
June 3, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg,
We all know that this is not yours or any of the TPM folks fault . . . The Clinton campaign shows a tenacity that borders on the dark side of obsessive-compulsive. As with many great historical folk, Clinton’s strength is also her weakness.
The posters here crave “game-on” for the General. We crave the chance to win the Presidency. We tire of being polite in the face of the potential destroying that chance.
What you read here is the venting of other frustration. I apologize if this spills over onto you and your organization. We truly appreciate the gift that this forum provides us to express those things that we need express.
Thank you.
Richard L. Adlof
June 3, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hereby concede the presidential nomination for the Democratic Party.
Hey, at least someone is saying it.
June 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I applaud your decision to withdraw from the race for the Democratic Party’s nomination for the Office of the President AND
I am Richard L. Adlof and I approve of this message.
June 3, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why does Harold ICkes even call in to MSNBC or other news outlets if he's going to get pissy and huffy and roll his eyes and complain about the questions. He knows damn well he's going to be asked stupid questions.
June 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
"If McAuliffe is to be believed". Can anyone believe anything that comes out of Hillary's campaign? I think not.
June 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
uh, no.
June 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Never.
They are all liars, absolutely incapable of telling the truth.
Therefore we should ignore any comments they make.
June 3, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
DRAMA(can't stand it)...feeds the Clintons now...She wants the limelight for tonights speech and all day long she will keep the focus on her...
I can't wait to put the Clinton campaign into the toilet bowl of life and flush it away! Once and for all...but it isn't going to happen until Obama has achieved the number. Remember the SD's who declare before Obama hits the number. These are and will become the true party leaders; not the SD's who are waiting!
June 3, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is God-awful reporting.
June 3, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like the stake through the heart idea.
that'll do it!
June 3, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Breaking news:
AP now reporting that the Clinton campaign emphatically denies that they will not decide to concede that Obama doesn't have what they think he may or may not need to secure the potential nomination of the Democratic party, or any other political party or just regular party, and that Clinton herself is considering the option to continue discussing the option to continue talking about this, potentially, but not necessarily, in perpetuity.
June 3, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's a lawyer - I know she's heard of the Rule in Shelley's case and the Rule Against Perpetuities!
LOL!
June 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
McAULIFFE: Yeah, I think that if Sen. Obama gets the numbers, I think Hillary Clinton will congratulate him, and call him the nominee.
June 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
She will not allow him any glory whether or not he's winning. He hasn't kicked her hard enough to keep her down. We all feel the same thing; it's a monster movie where the monster keeps coming back every time you think it's dead.
June 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Totally agree with that.
She has laid the groundwork for not letting him have a celebratory announcement for weeks, at least.
She will not let him or us enjoy the moment to the fullest, that I can almost guarantee you.
June 3, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary will never defer to Obama. She's got a plan for '12.
June 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it just me, or are we all hitting "refresh" every 10 seconds?
Repeating what I wrote earlier: Barack will cross the threshold tonight, tomorrow the SD floodgates really open, by week's end Hillary concedes.
If she doesn't? Then the SDs and other bigwigs in her camp start defecting, publicly calling on her to quit. She doesn't want that humiliation and she desperately needs help from Obama paying off her debts. It's over.
June 3, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I concede that it depends what you concede the definition of "concede" to be!
Moreover, I concede that I am now officially President of the United States! Si, se Denvero!
June 3, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
How surprising - twisting the knife until the bitter end. Somehow Clinton has managed to diminish herself, her husband, her supporters, her opponent and her party.
To date, McCain appears to be the only winner from her campaign.
Both Clinton's now face a very steep burden to work to undo as much of this damage as possible.
June 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Punking the Obama hack media.
Priceless.
She is taking it to the convention.
Report that hacks.
June 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are just SO ADORABLE!!!
it's so CUTE when you're desperate.
June 3, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
But he's right: she's going all the way to Denver.
June 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a good thing too...
This tape was just released.
Obama is doomed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOufWYodCc8
June 3, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're gonna burn in hell for that!
June 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
We'd better call a whambulance, gotalife is about to experience spontaneous cranial eruption.
It's okay little gotalife, there are plenty of compulsive liars and serial panderers in America, you'll get a chance to vote for one someday. You may have better luck finding your perfect candidate in the GOP, though, they tend to prefer the pathologicaly dishonest type.
June 3, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
But...but...but... I opened the champagne.
Dangit!
*shoves cork back into bottle*
June 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ignore that man behind the curtain...
June 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
It should be noted that the AP story doesn't say that she'll concede tonight, so this statement is non-responsive.
June 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
The media needs to back off Hillary Clinton and allow the people to finish voting in Montana and South Dakota. They are trying to depress turnout for Hillary. The blatant pro-obama bias in the media is so corrupt. As a Hillary supporter, her treatment by Obama and the press will make it very difficult for me vote Obama if Hillary is not on the ticket.
June 3, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I feel your pain.
June 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
And your opinion about Terry saying the same thing on MSNBC? Don't bother answering facts.
June 3, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you fucking kidding me? She is losing. How is that a bias? Please explain to me when in history has the loser being called the loser a bias?
June 3, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Shorenstein Center at Harvard disagrees with your claim of media bias: http://www.hks.harvard.edu/presspol/
June 3, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, her campaign was over in February. If anything the media has been soooo for the clintons its pathetic. Through january she was unbeatable and be the nominee according to the media. According to the media she is the "experienced" candidate, without any delving into the lack of experience. Etc., etc. If the roles were reversed obama would have been out in February. Pro-obama media bias, my a**.
June 3, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can understand you're blaming the press, since it covers the campaign like a goddamn sporting event.
But, please, don't blame Obama. He's conducted a very civil campaign, and he is married to a strong woman with two daughters.
He'll be the first to admit that Hillary ran a very strong campaign, and is an incredible woman who will continue to do great things for this country.
June 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's the kid gloves that piss off some of Hillary's female supporters the most. I talked to my mom about this who isn't even a hillary supporter but is offended by how there's an assumption she's a woman she needs to be treated gently or differently and she sees his statements about her breaking new ground with her campaign as condescending. So, he should drive the stake in and says Hillary ran a great campaign, but I have won and she has lost by every fair metric. It's time. If it quacks it's a duck... quack.
June 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you will find it less difficult to live under 4-8 more years of Bushian non-governance?
Just askin' ...
June 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I would like some examples of how Obama has mistreated Clinton.
June 3, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
The original AP article said quite clearly that their sources were "off the record."
Is it surprising that the Official Response differs from the unofficial one?
This much is clear: The Hillary campaign is closing up shop.
Whether she concedes, suspends, or just disappears...
it really doesn't matter!
Obama will get the nomination. There's really no reason to overreact. What's one more day?
June 3, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it is important for obama to be able to kick off the general election campaign as the presumptive nominee tonight in minnesota. What's one more day? This fight was over 3 months ago. I don't want to give her one more gd hour.
June 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
The sad thing is, according to Chuck "Gingerballs" Todd, everyone seems to want to protect Hillary's feelings. The idea is this is her night, we'll all celebrate Hillary, the supers are not going to pressure her--and it's so incredibly sexist and patronizing. All we hear is Hillary is a fighter, she's got copious testicles, but there's this need to nurture her FEELINGS and I find it infuriating. No one would care about a guy's feelings. Hillary's done some amazing, trailblazing things in this campaign, but she's also manipulated this victim feminisim approach that seems quite harmful.
This is Obama's night. He is going to be our candidate, we need to launch him into the general, this is not about Hillary Clinton's feelings. Because I believe the toughness rhetoric and think she's going to be just fine.
June 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Gingerballs"? It sounds funny, but what does it mean? Just curious.
I agree this is obama's night. F*ck the clintons and their egos.
June 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
On Flight of the Conchords, there's a guy who looks like Chuck Todd, and they cal him Gingerballs. So, in our house Todd=Gingerballs.
June 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks.
June 3, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
HAHA!
Murray does look like Chuch Todd!
June 3, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ezackly!
We're back to making sure that we don't hurt poor widdle Hillary's feelings and her poor little supporters' feelings because they lost.
Does Hillary really believe in all the "self-esteem, nobody loses," bullshit that is ruining our public education?
IT's bullshit, Hillary - you lost.
Obama is right on the verge of clinching, and every news outlet I've read says the same thing - it's over.
June 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now take it like a man.
June 3, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe we should socially promote Hillary to president?!?!
Nah!!!!!!!!!!
June 3, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, what's really ruining our public education is the fact that no one is willing to pay for it anymore.
June 3, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Full agreement. She had her chance at "a night" and she lost it. She can have her day/night in the sun at the convention in August the day before the nominating votes where Obama becomes the official nominee.
This tiptoeing around the candidate with all the testicular fortitude is embarrassing.
June 3, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is so exactly the point and so exactly what many of the supers seem to be undervaluing.
And this inveterate lack of focus on what matters shares a lot of the blame for why Democrats lost in 2000 and 2004, even though it's so often attributed to Gore's sighs or Kerry's windsurfing.
June 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes! Because there is a huge pack of them that simply have no spines. Hillary and Bill have counted on that to bully their way around this Party for too long. I believe that time is over, however. They're dragging this out for as long as they can, but the end will come. Obama knows it, the Party Leaders know it, and you know - even Bill and Hillary know it. They're just trying to make it last as long as they possibly can. Patience....
June 3, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are behaving like CANDIDATES and not like LEGISLATORS! This is what Obama hopes to change about Washington! Legislators need to become accustomed to fucking DOING something!
June 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice work punking them Clinton.
Love it.
June 3, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I believe the original AP report myself. I'm sure there were two Clinton officials who said this.
Of course, the official response will differ, but that won't change tonight's victory for Obama.
June 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
It looks to me like Wes Clark missed the memo.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Wes_Clark_floats_ObamaSebelius.html
Somebody needs to tell him that Hillary's in it to win it!!!
June 3, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, Hillary, good job! The messaging coming out of your campaign is so tight and well-prepared. On the basis of this profoundly presidential behavior and exceptionally run campaign death, I'm going to switch my support. Oh, while you're at it, would you please propose a new goal post for the nomination? I thought you were doing really well with "the most votes since February 20th," but I would be that much more convinced if you changed it to "most votes on June 1st" or perhaps "first speech on June 3rd" or "most venal supporters."
June 3, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be honest, I'm starting to wonder just who makes up "the Clinton campaign" at this point.
June 3, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
ithout gotalife's blessings nothing happens at the Clinton camp...I was assured, that if Hillary was the POTUS...GOTALIFE would get Mclellans old job and be another Stephanopulous.
Honest, Mcaulif promised (Burp)
June 3, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heehee. The Clintons. Disappear. That's funny.
June 3, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Go Hillary! In it to win it!
June 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am certain Hillary wants to avoid discouraging people from voting in the primaries today. McAuliffe's mouth is a perpetual motion machine.
June 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure that has something to do with it.
I'm equally sure it isn't the prime motivator.
June 3, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
anneeliz
exactly my thoughts as well...homage to a self-destructive couple..The clintons!
June 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
My patience for all this procrastinating on the part of the Clintons was wearing thin back in February.
When they won in '92, it was all about them. That's understandable.
But must it all be about them when they lose too?
This is just ridiculous. They don't even have enough respect for Obama to enjoy a victory speech tonight?
He's been waiting patiently for over a month now to give it.
June 3, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greg has this WAY wrong.
The AP story:
The Clinton statement:
See what they're doing? No one said that she'd concede the nomination. AP simply said that she'd acknowledge that he has the delegates. And she WILL concede that Obama has the delegates. And then she will announce that, being the sorest loser on the planet, she plans to spend the next three days lobbying the superdelegates to change their vote.
That is what will happen tonight. AP has the story right.
June 3, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes I do - clear as day.
Maybe you have to really know something about lawyers and about Arkansas Bond Daddies to understand Clenis-Speak.
I'm a lawyer and I used to work with some Arkansas Bond Daddies a million years ago when I worked for an investment banking firm for brief period.
I understand what you just posted very well. Thanks for posting the contrast so I could see what is going on - hrebendorf.
June 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clenis-Speak? :) I like that one. Mind if I add it to my vocabulary?
This is so reminiscent of that debate where they were asked if they'd be willing to meet with other leaders and Clinton responded that she would not promise to meet with them--as if someone had asked her to.
June 3, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know Jennofark, who comments here rather often? She owns the copyright on "clenis" - she came up with that about 5 years ago- back when the trolls squawked constantly about Bill Clinton's "indiscretions."
It's portmanteau word, made up of Clinton+penis.
I came up with Clenis Speak - and it's all yours, baby! :)
June 3, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eeew. I just looked up Clenis. I thought it was a town in Arkansas. Never mind. I'm NOT adding that one to my vocabulary after all. *:o)
June 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a shame, hrebendorf.
I've used it for years inasmuch as it is so very apt.
LOL!
June 3, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jeez, I hope you're wrong about that. Because the alternative is just so . . . depressing.
June 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's the thing that bothers me--the way reporters take what the Clintons say to them at face-value without even looking further.
June 3, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't wait to hear Hillary's speech tonight.
It's been noted that she has a case of "laryngitis" and has been nursing it drinking "something".
I'm making popcorn.
June 3, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome! Crown Royal? Bill's gonna be holding her up.:)
June 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy sh*t, I just heard from hutchinson that kissinger is one of mcbush's advisors. Mcbush will lose by at least 10 points in the fall. Just like the clintons, mcbush wants to refight the culture wars of the 60's. Time to move into the 21st century. Go obama.
June 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
"A.P. Is Wrong — and KARL ROVE’s Analyses Are SPOT ON! Obama is limping, wounded … cannot win in November"
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/03/ap-is-wrong-and-karl-roves-analyses-are-spot-on-obama-is-limping-wounded-cannot-win-in-november/
BTW, things are going well in Iraq.
June 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
For those of you who are wondering, that was the real gotalife who just posted that and not one of the spoofs. Therefore, I have to imagine that Baghdad Bob's humor was completely unintentional!
June 3, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rove is right!
ROFLMAO!
Tell me again how you're a Democrat, gotnolife.
LOL!
June 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
"NO Quarter" Trult a very reliable source!
That AND a Rove reference?! Man, your right wing is really showing today.
And you top it off with some Iraq War spin. Priceless.
June 3, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
The question will be, will gotalife's all-consuming hatred for Obama lead him to suddenly think the Iraq War is a great idea? He's already said things are going well while people are dying. Apparently, we're heading in that direction. Stay tuned.
June 3, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but I find it completely impossible to click on any link that leads to that website. Larry Johnson's child molester haircut really creeps me out. If he'd just take his picture off the page...
June 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Karl Rove
No Quarter
Larry Johnson
You don't have to say another word.
If you surround yourselves with scumbags, you can't help but stink. And there's no shower that's gonna clean their shit off of you.
June 3, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Folks:
In a perverse way, I am actually pleased that it is going down this way. The more mixed messages, and attacks on the media that keep coming out of the Clinton camp, the more it will make it too much for Senator Obama to take on board the ticket.Senator Obama demands a disciplined, on message, team. What you are witnessing from the Clinton camp is the exact opposite. That means that Senator Obama should stay away from Hillary for VP. She would give his team Turmoil Cooties.
June 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll have to disagree. If Hillary were the best candidate for VP, I'd want that option to be open. I don't think she is the best candidate for VP, but I don't want that choice to be easier because she becomes a worse candidate, but rather because other candidates are better, if that makes sense.
June 3, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think she would be a terrible candidate for VP, but the pressure has been mounting to pick her. That is why I am pleased to see the Clinton Camp causing such turmoil that it will make it easier for Senator Obama to make the case that she just would not bring the compatibility that he is looking for.
June 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, but I don't think it is Hillary per se, it is Bubba.
His tirade yesterday at the Vanity Fair editor is just a glimpse of what would happen if Hillary were the VP candidate and the Republican attacks on Hillary and his legacy began in earnest.
June 3, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
A-fucking-men!
June 3, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy sh*t, I just heard from hutchinson that kissinger is one of mcbush's advisors. Mcbush will lose by at least 10 points in the fall. Just like the clintons, mcbush wants to refight the culture wars of the 60's. Time to move into the 21st century. Go obama.
June 3, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Kissinger still alive?
June 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
A fresh face who will bring new ideas!
June 3, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know it's true.
Hillary will take this all the way to the convention for a bare-knuckles fight.
She will either win, fracturing the Democratic Party beyond repair in the process...
...or she'll lose, fracturing the Democratic Party beyond repair.
We can look forward to at least another 8 years of Republicans in the White House.
Assuming our Republic can last that much longer.
It is simply not in her to do the right thing.
And I say this as someone willing to vote for her regardless of what she does should she become the nominee, because anyone is still better than McBush.
June 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see her taking it to the Convention, but it will be lost in the momentum that Obama's campaign will have generated by then. What will she be fighting for by then? A handful of delegates that will make no difference whatsoever. Her support will have evaporated, everyone will be solidly behind Obama, he'll have a VP and his cabinet lined up, there will have been debates - and she's just gonna look silly.
My feelings about Hillary taking it to the Conventions are - Whatever.
June 3, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
June 3, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a 20-year-veteran of a reputable newspaper, some observations:
1) The Associated Press is not a blog, and they wouldn't have gone with their story if they didn't have high sources. They're, generally speaking, a very cautious bunch.
2) The official Clinton response could be parsed as a non-denial denial, since the orginal story didn't say that she was conceded the nomination, but rather that he had the delegates for the nomination....
3)...except that the communique says the story is "incorrect."
4) The Internet culture has magnified and sped up the normal news cycle, so that all the messy odds and ends of political reporting are there for millions of people to see on their computer screens. Back in the old days, people would have 30 minutes or so to think things through and sort it out.
5) Having said all that, one senses that there's not really anyone in charge anymore over in Hillaryland, which is sort of ironic given that Hillaryland was supposedly all about discipline of message and a no-leak culture.
June 3, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
With speculation now at a fever pitch, I definitely get the feeling that the Clinton campaign is crumbling as we speak.
June 3, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really do sense number 5.
I think it's chaos - no one knows what anyone else is doing.
June 3, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
htobar at 12:13 PM, you are exactly right. Nobody is in charge at the Hillary campaign. She's not back in New York yet, so the idiots in Arlington and New York and D.C. are all shooting their mouths off to get their final few seconds of face time on tee-vee. Ego, ego, ego.
Once she gets back to NYC, I suspect she will be able to shut them all down. And no matter what, Barack won! Finally! yay
June 3, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another MI Super Delegate came out for Obama. Still none for Hillary today. He's down to needing only 36.5 more for the nomination.
June 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fired up !! I'll be at the event tonight with Senator Obama and about 40,000 others who are ready to kick off the GE!!!! Hillary can capmaing in exile for all I care, we have work to do!
June 3, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
...Ready to go!!!
June 3, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, they are denying this. They will deny this up until the moment she actually does concede. They want this to be her story, not the media's.
Expect her to concede soon. How soon is the question.
She will not suspend her campaign , however (just in case, just like Romney).
June 3, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thousands of little people are waiting in the wings. The Lollipop Guild has been prepped and oiled. All shall sing "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" on my command.
June 3, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
And also, let me state the obvious: this has been a very poorly run campaign. From their overspending fiasco in Iowa, to the Slaughter of the Caucuses and the ever-changing campaign themes, and the public musings/attacks of Billy the Id. I think we've got a hint of what a Clinton presidency would have looked like, honestly. She's just not leading the people around her, and they're all trying to guess what she wants, or trying to get her to go this way or that.
June 3, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention the fact that even at this late hour, nobody really seems to know what Hillary is going to do. Has there ever been a presidential candidate that has been psychoanalyzed to the degree she has? Trying to figure out which wheels are turning in her head has become a cottage industry. She's like a grizzly bear - unpredictable. Who wants that in the Whitehouse?
June 3, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I live in Minneapolis and I was going to go to the Obama rally tonight. I think I've changed my mind. I'm so interested in hearing what Clinton has to say that I think I'll stay home with a few friends and a nice bottle of Glenlivet and watch this on the tube. I have a feeling this is going to be an amazing night.
June 3, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you crazy? Go to the Obama rally!
June 3, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not crazy. But standing outside on the sidewalk isn't exactly going to the rally. The place only holds so many people, and I'll be getting there late.
Oh, alright. Fuck it. You've convinced me. I'll go.
June 3, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
My advice for what it is worth, go to the rally. It will be something you can tell your grandchildren, nieces and nephews, whatever. Hillary's speech, you have YouTube and MSNBC playback.
June 3, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton cannot control her surrogates or her message. The thing has been off the rails for months now. So why are there people out there with seemingly functional neurons still believing she could be a competent president? There is absolutely no indication at all that she'd be any better at managing the nation than she was at managing her campaign.
The mystique the Clintons have acquired over the past eight years has turned into something more akin the taint of decay.
June 3, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come to the rally tonight bunnykitty, it will be fun and anyway you can watch whatever clinton has to say after the rally. :)
June 3, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't get there until later (like around 8:00). I'm thinking that I probably won't be able to get in by then. What do you think? Xcel holds 18,400 or something like that, right? Didn't he draw 20,000 at the Target Center?
I'd really like to be there, I guess, but I'm thinking I'd need to go over there and stand in line pretty soon.
June 3, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I'm going. Not gonna be in line until 430 or so. I hope we'll get a seat. I can't blame you if you don't want to sit outside today though. MN weather sucks today! I think we went from spring right into fall with about 3 days of summer. I'm sooooo moving to the southwest....
June 3, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wouldn't it be fun to see a BunnyKitty at an Obama rally? Please take a picture!
June 3, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Concede- acknowledges Obama is the winner, hopefully giving an endorsement of sorts. Stops actively campaigning.
Suspend- would be dropping out, taking her name off for nomination, essentially quitting.
She will concede. She will not suspend. She wants to stay in the running in case some worse case scenario occurs, leaving her next in line.
Romney did the same thing and had no problem endorsing McCain. Technically, Romney could still take it to the floor as well. Not gonna happen more than likely.
Not gonna happen with here either, more than likely.
In conclusion, I think she will concede tonight or before week's end. She will not suspend until the convention. Doesn't mean she can't campaign for him, endorse him, etc.
June 3, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
She'll suspend. There's no need for her to concede and she's an attorney, so she knows better than to give anything away without some sort of quid pro quo. She's going to get it all in writing before she concedes.
June 3, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really? You don't think she'll want to keep it open, just in case? I don't know. I see her playing a Romney card.
June 3, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or am screwing up concede and suspend again? I thought I had it figured out.
June 3, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
To concede is to unequivocally declare that you've lost. To suspend is to put the campaign on hold.
June 3, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed.
She'll suspend (ala Romney) and be nothing but gracious until August convention.
In the event that anything happens which makes Obama truly unelectable, she'll be in the wings, but she'll no longer campaign against Obama, but instead for him.
Nothin' wrong with that...
June 3, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, I did F it up. Well, I agree with you guys. She'll suspend, but not concede.
I thought I had it right when I logged on today.... then I second guessed myself, and now I'm back again. Crap!
June 3, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
greg, there's your problem right there. You're giving Terry McAuliffe the benefit of the doubt.
Just this morning he said
And now he's saying this
You can't EVER give McAulife the benefit of the doubt because he's always, always always, speaking out of both sides of his mouth.
June 3, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who gets to be the half-superdel? Someone not so super? Just kind of semi-super? An apprentice super?
Looks like we'll have to get them to turn the bar TV over to CNN again tonight...should be interesting, but maybe not as exciting as last night's hockey game.
Barack Obama is the Marc-Andre Fleury of politics.
June 3, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
She will not concede, but she will suspend. She will only concede once the votes are counted at the convention or Obama offers her the VP spot. However if she just suspends her campaign, would that take her out of the VP running?
June 3, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
My concern would be what vindictive digs would she continue to do behind the scenes...and drop in the the media? -- Marshall Wittmann style.
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/3733.html
She can still cause a tremendous amount of trouble unless we can hold her to a concession.
June 3, 2008 12:44 PM |