GOP Senator: Discrimination Against Gays Is Similar To Persecution Of Mormons
This has to be one of the strangest things we've seen in some time.
Take a look at this video of Senator Gordon Smith of Oregon -- a Republican who has supported both the anti-gay Federal Marriage Amendment and anti-discrimination laws and domestic partner benefits -- struggling pretty hard to clarify his position on gay marriage and equal rights for individuals.
Smith appeared to be likening discrimination against gays to the persecution faced by his Mormon ancestors for their views on marriage:
Smith:
"Part of what I fear, as you start defining marriage -- we have a long history of doing that in this country, and my Mormon pioneer ancestors were the victims of that. They were literally driven from the United States in the dead of winter for following their religious beliefs. I don't want that coming back."
Huh?
We're still not entirely sure what Smith's position is on gay marriage, or how exactly it relates to the persecution of Mormons over a century ago. Unsurprisingly, calls and e-mails to his office asking for clarification yesterday were not returned.

















Comments (32)
He was for it before he was against it.
June 13, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
So banning gay marriage = persecution of polygamists?
Somehow, I don't see this as an effective analogy for Senator Smith. But maybe that's just me.
June 13, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Larry Craig a Mormon?
Are Mormons and gays secret Muslims?
Was Smith for gay marriage before he was against it?
I'm so confused . . .
June 13, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Wiki:
"In 1996 Smith was endorsed by the anti-gay group the Oregon Citizens Alliance in his race against Wyden. After losing that initial race for the seat vacated by Senator Packwood, Smith then renounced the OCA endorsement and won in his subsequent race for the seat being vacated by Senator Hatfield. Smith supported an amendment expanding hate crime laws to encompass crimes against gays on June 15, 2004; the amendment passed 65–33, with every Democrat in the Senate voting for his amendment.[citation needed] As a result, he was one of a few Republican senators supported by gay rights groups in the United States, including the Human Rights Campaign. Since then, gay rights groups have expressed disappointment at his support for the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would define marriage as between a man and a woman.[8]
Leading up to the 2006 midterm elections, Smith joined Senate Democrats to introduce legislation that would guarantee gay employees of the federal government domestic partnership benefits.[9]"
I don't think he knows were he stands.
June 13, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
That wikipedia entry doesn't touch on the whole pitcure either. In 2004, Smith lent his name and endorsement to the Oreogn ballot measure 36, which was an Oreogn "mini-DOMA" easure, which passed. So Smith is flip-flopping all over this issue in crass and hypocritical ways.
So he voted for Federal level bans on giving equal rights to non-heterosexual couples, claiming he thinks it should be a states rights thing, but then campaigns against equal rights for gay people in 2004, then says that the recently passed domestic-partnership law which gives the same rights/protections under Oregon law as married couples, which Speaker Jeff Merkley got through the razor thin majority state legislature is a "fair compromise".
Smith is all over the map chasing his tail trying to appear "moderate" in order to get elected. But look at what the guy actually DOES as opposed to what rhetoric and obfuscation he vomits out.
By the way, this is one of the key races to improving the Democrats (and progressives) position in the United States Senate is the race here in Oregon. We had a wealth of riches in the primary with both Steve Novick and Jeff Merkley as being rock-solid progressives. Oregon Speaker of the House Jeff Merkley won the primary battle, and is exactly the sort of progressive we need in the Senate.
Here in the Oregon legislature last session, with a razor thin one seat majority, Jeff Merkley was able to get things done and lead the most productive session in decades, passing anti-predatory lending laws, giving equal rights under Oregon law to gay couples as straight married couples, creating a rainy-day fund to stabilize school funding, strengthening conservation laws and regulations to protect the environment, the list goes on and on.
Jeff Merkley can take out Bush rubber-stamper Gordon Smith, who is polling under 50%. Speaker Merkley just launched a 100 town tour of the state to invest the sweat equity in smaller rural communities, but one of the biggest hurdles will be visibility through television ads and the need for netroots support.
The thing that will make this a viable key pick-up opportunity of a GOP held Senate seat will money because we have the right kind of Democratic nominee, we just need to get him elected. Bush rubber-stamper Gordon Smith has a sizable war-chest (some $10 million) and Jeff Merkley needs the help of the grassroots/netroots to be competitive.
So everyone here who gripes about not having a solid majority in the Senate, or that we don't have progressive or strong enough Democrats in the Senate, it is time to put your money where your mouth is. So if you want to replace Bush/McCain lackey Gordon Smith with a true progressive Democrat then donate now. For the cost of a night out at the movies on a weekly basis, we together can get Jeff Merkley the resources to win this seat. We have a great candidate, a weak and very vulnerable GOP incumbent to run against, and a 'change election' environment, but it is up to us to make change happen because it won't happen without us doing our part, and will happen if we donate.
That is why you, me, and everyone here needs to step up to the plate and help elect Jeff Merkley win his race here in Oregon. Unseating Gordon Smith, who votes with Bush/McCain 90%+ of the time is reason enough, but beyond that, Jeff Merkley is a rock-solid progressive and is a Democrat in ACTION not just in name. His leadership here in Oregon with FuturePac flipped our state leg. and got it back in Democratic control, and then lead the one of the most productive and progressive sessions in decades, all with a razor thin majority.
Jeff Merkley is exactly the strong Democrat (and progressive) we need in the U.S. Senate. That is why you, me, and everyone here needs to help out and support Jeff Merkley.
June 13, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is a blog post from 2004 about that Measure 36 mailer that Gordon Smith lent his name and photograph too.
So Smith was all for voting in favor of discriminating against non-heterosexuals in 2004, by lending his name to a mailer that claimed if we didn't outlaw same-gender marriages, gay sex would be taught in schools.
Now he claims in a desperate bid for re-election that giving the same rights to same-gender couples under Oregon law as marriage, is a fair compromise. The SMith myth of being a fair-minded moderate is just that... a myth.
June 13, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed, being outside of OR it was hard to tell.
Thanks to you and Bill Campbell for shedding a little light.
Sen. Smith: Pander much?
June 13, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's clear that he can't support marriage but can support various legal arrangements for gay folk. It's also seems to me that he used his anti-marriage position to convince voters he was generally anti-gay - which he obviously is not. Of course that is not very honest - to mislead people that way. So it seems he has several personal integrity issues.
June 14, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he's....trying????
June 13, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here let Feingold do it for you:
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0607-34.htm
June 13, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Gay and lesbian couples should be able to marry and have access to the same rights, privileges and benefits that straight couples currently enjoy. Denying people this basic American right is the kind of discrimination that has no place in our laws, especially in a progressive state like Wisconsin. The time has come to end this discrimination and the politics of divisiveness that has become part of this issue," the Wisconsin senator said.
Now there's a senator with some balls. Are you taking notes, Sen. Smith?
June 13, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not a very overwhelming statement in the real world. However, for Capitol Hill it's a pretty big deal. Sad. Out of touch.
June 13, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tim Russert is reported to have died today at 58...per Huff Post!
June 13, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
NYT also reporting the same thing.
June 13, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shorter Smith: Please, please, please elect me!!!JUST ELECT ME! Look, over there, my Mormon ancestors were persecuted...
June 13, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Get it straight. He is saying that if gays are allowed to marry, then right wing Christians will be driven from the country because there will be no legitimate marriage in the country. This is vile.
June 13, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
....vile? It sounds ingenious!!!!
June 14, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I live in Oregon. Mr. Smith has been doing a good job of posing as a much more liberal person than he really is. He is supported in this deception by the conservative owners of the Portland newspaper ("The Oregonian", with David Reinhard playing the part of chief right-wing mouth-piece).
Smith finds convenient chances to vote with the liberals--you will never see him casting the crucial liberal vote, it will always be on a measure that is safely passing or failing by a large margin.
When a really tough vote (like the Federal Marriage Amendment) comes up he makes a big press announcement about how he has to take the unpopular high road and stick to his convictions and principles. The Oregon media eat it all up and portray him as man of strong conviction instead of the spineless weasel that he is. This keeps the money flowing in from his conservative backers and keeps getting him a lot of the moderate independent vote--folks want to believe he is another Mark Hatfield.
In reality he will say or do anything while voting an almost perfect record in support of Bush policies.
He is running scared this year, though very well-funded. He started running negative ads against his Democratic opponents during the *primary*, in the middle of a very spirited and hard fought contest between two very good Democratic candidates. How strange it was to see an ad that tries to smear two people at once.
Currently he is saturating Portland television with strong positive ads showing what a liberal, green, and all-around nice guy he is.
My response is to set aside some time every week to work for Jeff Merkley. Mr Merkley is running strong and has an excellent chance of turning Mr. Smith out of office.
June 13, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill C.
What I hate most about Gordo's ads are the way he frames the OR in Gordon with the green outline of Oregon. Every time I see it I snort in disgust. I love your idea of setting time aside for Merkley. Steve Novick was my 1st choice, but getting rid of Gordo is a high priority for me.
June 13, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not just that he frames the OR in Gordon within a green map of the state, but as BlueOregon noted the other day, his recent ads actually use the proprietary font of the University of Oregon without their permission. So he is trying to graft the goodwill of Oregonians and the visual identity of our most popular University (no offense Beavers) and its sports teams the Ducks onto his political campaign.
June 13, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lestatdelc, has OR paper interviewed Smith to get his story on the flip-flopping?
June 13, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not yet.
I also would not hold my breath for The Oregonian (the states biggest newspaper out of Portland) to bring it up, report on it, or investigate question SMith. David Reinhard and the The Oregonian in general are still in love with the long-ago lost Oregon moderate GOP traditions of Mark Hatfield. and Tom McCall. They drool over this Smith-myth of his being a moderate guy and believe him to be like the aforementioned moderate GOPers of yesteryear. In short they buy Smith's act hook, line & sinker and report that way about him. Smith is no moderate but he sure plays one well on television.
June 13, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Polygamists were demonized by the Establishment in the late 1800's using very similar tactics as contemporary opponents of gay rights. The comparison Smith makes is an accurate one.
June 13, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Smith's comment should be defended and then used to ask how any Mormon could possibly be opposed to gay marriage. Particularly considering what's going on in CA on this front, and the political clout of the Mormon church in CA, the Mormon church needs to be held to account for its work against gay rights, which is sickeningly hypocritical in light of Mormon history.
June 13, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which makes Smith's little comment about being married to his only wife for 30 years rather bizarre I might add.
June 13, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's the tension between 19th-century outsider Mormonism and 20th-century assimilationist Mormonism. It's a fascinating arc that stretches from radicalism to Romney and helps explain Mormonism's schizoid politics.
June 13, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everyone should rent "Big Love" from NetFlix. It's an hilarious HBO series about Mormon polygamists trying to survive in suburban Utah. You wind up identifying with the family in spite of the fact that the whole mess of them no doubt voted twice for Bush, and it's extremely easy to see the parallels between their plight and that of gays.
In fact, there's an absolutely priceless scene where a corrupt and lecherous cult leader (Harry Dean Stanton) explicitly draws the parallel, implying that polygamists are being discriminated against and should be afforded the same favorable treatment as gays, to whom he compares his cult!
June 13, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
As for the youtube clip ... jeez ... I'd vote for the guy if I didn't know the REST of his voting record. That was one of the better statements I've ever heard a politician make.
He still badly needs to be defeated, but if he keeps being so reasonable he's going to make it harder.
June 13, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the other hand ... it could also be compared to all those liberal-sounding clips of Romney from Massachussetts. But this guy is more convincing.
ugh
June 13, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Senator Smith is suggesting that only gay people who are Mormons should be allowed to marry -- but only if they agree to marry multiple partners??
Or perhaps he is just emulating Mitt Romney, who claimed that he would be a stronger advocate of gay rights when he was running against Ted Kennedy but decided to flip-flop when he thought it might be nice to be president. (By the way, to the best of my knowledge all 5 of Mitt Romney's boys are still of age to serve their country -- in the Armed Forces, since their father is no longer running for president. But, also to the best of my knowledge, exactly none of them have taken advantage of that opportunity.)
June 13, 2008 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
It sounds like he is anti-marriage but pro-benefits.
Very common.
June 14, 2008 1:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm in Portland and hope to never hear of smith again after November but I sorta follow the line of reasoning here: Governments defining what an acceptable marriage is. In the mormon case, monogamy = acceptable marriage. Currently, heterosexuality = acceptable marriage.
June 14, 2008 1:25 AM | Reply | Permalink