GOP Senator Apologizes For Comparing Gay Marriage To Polygamous Ancestors
As we noted the other day, GOP Sen. Gordon Smith of Oregon touched off a firestorm of outrage last week -- not to mention some serious puzzlement -- when he compared opposition to gay marriage to the persecution of his polygamous Mormon ancestors. We even tried to get in touch with Smith's office in order to find out exactly what he meant by that, but they kept silent.
Well, now Smith has apologized, saying he did not mean to compare gay relationships to polygamy.
"If you'd grown up a Mormon, and spent your life trying to get out from the shadow of that legacy -- it's an emotional scar that you carry," Smith told the Oregonian. "I meant no offense by sharing that part of my history."
Good thing he cleared that up.















How about a clearly defined stance on the issue then?
Weak.
June 18, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to pile on ol' Gordo, or anything, but this:
seems a teeny bit ham-fisted. Those who grew up Mormon spent their lives trying to get out of the shadow of....Mormonism?
And Mormonism is an "emotional scar"?
June 18, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thats exactly what I thought. I grew up just a few miles from where it all began (Mormonism that is) so I knew quite a few Mormons, and they would be exceedingly insulted by something like this.
June 18, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Related to persecution issues in their history as a religion.
Of course, they rarely look at the ways they persecute. But lets not go there.
June 18, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Smith is such a putz. He saw the hanwriting on the wall after 06 and gave that crying fit about the iraq debacle on the senate floor. What bs. I can't wait to see this putz go down. Another flailing goper with no message or strategy. 60 seat senate coming without traitor joe.
June 18, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
it's not that bad, actually. i can see why someone who has grown up Mormon having to deal with people calling him crazy (warranted or no) for weird marriage practices is kinda sorta analogous to a gay man growing up having to deal with people sensationalizing his way of life, on the issue of weird marriage practices.
i think a GOP Senator should be lauded, if anything, for trying to express anything resembling empathy for the plight of the gay community. he's miles ahead of his present company there.
June 18, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
don't applaud him, he panders left and right, as the political wind blows on this issue. if he had an actual strong stance in favor of- that could be commendable.
June 18, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
He really sounds rather sympatico - but I don't really trust Mormons.
I know - I have a bag of prejudices. It's mostly full of Republicans of all stripes; and christians and stage magicians - 3 groups I don't trust as far as you can throw them.
;)
June 18, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Never mind apologies, I'm still trying to figure out whether he was making a pro- or anti- gay rights statement
June 18, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, his original point makes sense...if you can change the definition of marraige to be 2 people of the same sex, why can't it include multiple people? Isn't that equally as discriminatory? What right is it of the government to say 2 men and 1 woman (or vice versa) can't marry the one's they love? If it's about rights and freedom why stop there?
June 18, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Get no argument from me. If they want to live in misery more power to them. Multiple partner marriages would just increase the misery exponentially. Go for it.
June 18, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
because that's a fallacious slippery slope argument.
June 18, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's "fallacious" about the argument? How is it different? They're adults of legal age...what gives you the right to deny them a chance to marry the people they love?
June 18, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Non story. I'm tired of all this ridiculous quasi-sensitivity standards. Republican or democrat, parsing and finding an offense on every word is frankly tiring.
June 18, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I'm tired of all this ridiculous quasi-sensitivity standards. Republican or democrat, parsing and finding an offense on every word is frankly tiring..." True, but that's how they make a living here.
June 18, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's just confusing. I like my Republicans to compare gays to beastiality and stealing. It's much more clear and defined. What's offensive is his waffling comparison of homosexuality to polygamy. Since I don't know how I feel about the subject or even what point he's really making, I'm offended.
June 18, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
The fact that mainstream christians interfered with different types of personal relationships that offended their faith in both cases seems a reasonable analogy, though ironically Mormons gave into pressure and renounced polygamy. I am not quite sure who is up in arms about Smith's comments. Is it mormons for having a practice they now consider abhorrent be compared to another about which they feel the same way? Or is it gays not wanting to be compared to polygamists?
If the latter is the case, I think people should chill. While the polygamists we often see in the news are borderline child molesters it would seem, there is certainly no reason polygamy could not be a rational, moral choice made between consenting adults. Certainly, that is the variant portrayed in HBO's Big Love. Associating polygamists with pedophiles is no more repugnant than doing the same for gays. I am not fan of Smith, but this was not a comment to taken to task for.
June 18, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
uh, blackstar said the polygamy argument was fallacious, of course that could've just been when I said it. It may be completely acceptable and rational coming from you.
June 18, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I totally agree, except I don't see why if we're going to legalize polygyny, we can't legalize polyandry - one wife, multiple husbands.
Personally, I could dig having different husbands for different functions.
;)
June 18, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
This guy is pandering, he was original pro-gay, then he voted for the Marriage Amendment, now he's all of a sudden pro-gay again now that the political winds have changed.
I'm sick of the pandering, that's what I'm sick of.
June 18, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only thing gays and mormons have in common is the magic underwear. He should've just said that.
June 18, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would give Gordon Smith credit.
The persecution and violence against the Mormons was extreme and a sad chapter in our history (not that the Mormons were the most peaceful group).
I think that Mr. Smith is acknowledging that the severe reaction against gays and gay bashing is as painful as that that was leveled against the Mormons for their beliefs about marriage.
I don't think it was posturing, for one thing it would have been better rehearsed. Say all you like about his conserviative politics but Gordon Smith genuinely cares about all people - even those he disagrees with.
June 18, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's even more interesting about Smith and the "gay issue" is that his son Garret, who died by his own hand several years ago, was widely rumored to be gay himself. This seems to have sensitized Smith to the issues of suicide as well as gay issues to a certain extent. I think Smith does care about all people in his own narrow fashion. I risk sounding crass when I say it, but I think his policies and attitudes about gays have been shaped more by personal tragedy and scars than any broad mindedness on his part. I can't wait to see Jeff Merkley take him down in the general. Smith's blanketed the TV here in OR with adds positioning him as a centrist and moderate. His voting record unfortunately tells a different story. He's party line all the way and the stench of GOP moral/financial corruption just isn't going away.
June 18, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Semi-off topic.
Gay marriage has been legalized here. It is a joy to see how happy so many of my friends and acquaintances are. Just last night one of my friends told me she was getting married to her partner of many years. They have a daughter who is a good friend of my daughter. The best way for the anti-marriage folks to get over it is to meet people like my friends. We're getting ready for another Summer of Love here in San Francisco.
Carry on.
June 18, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I must say it is unfortunate then that you have chosen to support John McCain, who would like to see our marriage equality gains in California taken away.
June 18, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pay attention...I do not support McCain.
June 18, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had no problem with what Senator Smith said. I, like most Americans, believe that gay marriage is morally wrong just like I believe polygamy to be wrong. Smith is from Oregon and is trying to not offend too many people but most Americans aren't going to have too much of a problem with that comparison.
What's happened in California is a travesty of justice and a huge power grab by the judiciary. There's good reason to believe the state's voters will reverse this bad decision in November, too. A Survey USA poll released after the unconstitutional weddings began found that by a 20 point margin San Diego voters support amending the state constitution to outlaw gay marriage. I know San Diego is one of the more conservative cities but this is a good sign for traditional marriage in California.
June 18, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe gay marriage is morally wrong too -- doesn't mean it's legally wrong. My personal beliefs should not be used to regulate other people's lives. And I don't want to hear anything about the "Judeo-Christian" foundation of our country...
I'm assuming you believe in the Bible, Steve in SC. What about polygamy (and... concubinery?) practiced by prophets in the Bible? Was that wrong?
As a Mormon myself, and despite the position my church has taken on gay marriage, I just can't wrap my head around it: our church was severely persecuted for polygamy and the government ended up banning the practice. With a history like that, I just don't find the sense behind supporting government that would do the same thing to another group of people.
June 18, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a Liberal Democrat, I oppose the Death Penalty, support the Right to Unionize, as well as Choice, and also a National Health Care Policy.
As a Liberal Democrat, I not only want to have Barack Obama win in November, but I also think that it would be the greatest positive event for the USA since we landed on the moon.
As does Senator Obama, as well as the Dems, I oppose Gay Marriage, though I support civil unions.
40 states have enacted Defense of Marriage Acts.
Same sex Marriage is political poison to Democrats. Marriage has been the central institution of society for 6,000 years; Democrats would do well, then to support traditional marriage.
June 18, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink