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Chris Matthews: Terrorist Tape Came From Obama -- Er, Osama -- Headquarters

Hmmm. This, from Chris Matthews, might be the most comically awful Obama/Osama scrambling we've seen this cycle...

Said Matthews: "We had a recording come out of the Obama headquarters -- not Obama, I'm sorry...Bin Laden, Bin Laden -- it came out of Bin Laden's headquarters over there in Pakistan..."

Hoo boy. Here's the thing about this. The man made a mistake. And I have mixed feelings about jumping on this. Matthews and many other reporters and commentators -- us at TPM included, obviously -- write or say the words Obama and Osama multiple times a day. And we all dread being the one to make this mistake.

But, look, one of the realities of this campaign is that there is a tacit, and not so tacit, effort underway to sow doubts about Obama with false suggestions that he's got a secret Muslim past or even terrorist sympathies. So the bottom line is that you're going to take a hit if you botch this. It's just an occupational hazard -- a minor thing to have to deal with in exchange for the privilege of covering an absolutely thrilling and historic presidential race.

And, man, that was a real stinker, Chris.


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What a douche.

Damn, you're fast! I was watching it...I know he felt bad.

yeah he obviously felt bad and he didn't even bother to say osama he just went with bin laden
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Eh, it really just happens.

I think the best thing, rather than heap scorn on the perpetrator, would be to kindly suggest that the next time such a slip happens it is immediately followed by simple self-reproach, something like: "..Oh gosh, I obviously meant to say Osama. It is sad that such a small mistake could in any way negatively reflect on a man as honourable and patriotic as Sen. Obama, but I wanted to particularly apologize about this. A name does not make a man, the man makes the name." Etc., yada.

I agree with this. To all you self-important, holier-than-thou douchebags: this shit happens to the best of us. Don't believe me? See this: http://wonkette.com/400650/barack-obama-smeared-by-his-own-web-site

It's never happened to me.

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I called my mom Osama once.

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I also once referred to Descartes as "God."

Twitty is such a twit! He really does reek of incompetence!

It was obvious Matthews felt really bad. The lady media person said something to be helpful

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Yes, I'm sure Chris Mathews felt really bad. But, I'm also sure the earth is a flat pancake with demons lurking just over the edge.

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Greg, I bow respectfully in your general direction:'

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This is very well done.

I made the exact same mistake here and our friend CT Voter graciously pointed it out to me after the thread died down. It happens. Doesn't mean a thing. And I'm sure it will happen again.

BTW, Greg, could we please edit our posts? Pretty please?

Why oh why don't the pundits just train themselves to say "Bin Laden" instead?
Just askin'.

This is a reply to mossy1.
I was thinking the same thing. When I talk to people about Osama Bin Laden I (and they) have always used Bin Laden. In fact, I thought that is what they were calling him in the MSM. Does any one remember what they called O Bin Laden in the beginning of the war? - it started too long ago for me to remember.

My recollections is that right after 9/11 the MSM used the full name, Osama Bin Laden. In fact, it seems that the use of 'Osama' alone by the MSM is a relatively recent phenomenon.

A cursory check of Google News for the strings Osama and Osama Bin Laden seems to validate the use of the full name, except as part of a headline. Typically, that was Bin Laden.

Google News Link for 2001

Edward Kennedy misspoke in January 2005, but the first deliberate confuscation of Osama/Obama seems to have been by Rush Limbaugh back in 2005. After the 2004 covention, but well before Obama's candidacy.

Obama -Osama 2005

Hoping the links I've tried to include to the Google News results worked.


Woohoo! My links worked.

BTW, although I don't care for Chris Matthews show, he was obviously distressed to have used the wrong name. I just think it's a shame that a misuse initially perpetrated by Rush Limbaugh should now have become so common across the MSM.

Yeah, I know exactly how he feels (I mix-up my co-workers Brian & Brianna all the time - mouth & brain don't always work at the same speed). However that doesn't change the fact that Matthews is a baffoon. This isn't the first time he has done this and if he thought more and talked less (instead of yammering just to hear himself talk) this wouldn't happen as much.

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I heard Matthews do this today and wondered how long it would take to get picked up. My comment, however, is regarding one of the subject's of the program today. It was also covered on CNN. Pundits seem to think that if the U.S. is attacked prior to the election, all the benefit is shifted to McCain as a strong security guy.

If we are attacked, it is on Bush's watch. And for a second time, Bush and his GOP Administration will have failed to protect the country. All the failures of Homeland Security will be aired. It will be FEMA II. McCain is part of this fiasco. Won't voters lean to Obama because he represents a new approach to foreign relations and new approach to obtaining security. He just seems more competent in every way. I don't see how this is an automatic advantage for McCain. I think the Democrats should be framing this issue as an attack would be a failure, not a point for McCain. After all, the Clinton Administration caught the '93 bombers and they are in jail. Osama is still on the loose. Seems to me the DEMs are stronger on this issue if they can frame it correctly.

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I agree with you, but the Polling shows otherwise - for now. The Charlie Black's "gaffe" has the MSM pundits in agreement that McCain owns the national security/foreign policy issue!

After watching this maladministration make one monumental mistake after another - I think that Obama can make the McCain foreign policy a big issue in the campaign.

Wesley Clark did a nice job of going after McCain on this issue on Morning Joe:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=c5bYzL2y7xQ

Clark:the truth is that in national security terms he is largely untested and untried...It is not clear that it is going to be the strong suit that he thinks it is..

watch the video - he makes so much sense!!

Americans need to be told that Usamah Bin Laden does not own the name Usamah, and there are lots of wonderful people named Usamah. It is just a classical Arabic word for "lion." It is given by Christian as well as Muslim families, and some of the physicians who heal us of serious maladies are named Usamah. Moreover, there is no "o" in Arabic. It is not Osama but Usamah. It does not rhyme with Obama and is not related in any way to it. Obama is an African (presumably Dholua or other West Nilotic) word, not a Semitic one.

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I don't think he meant to do this, and people who aren't on Fox News should get the benefit of the doubt on these sorts of things. Chris Matthews, whether you like him or not, he is an honest and candid host and would never smear a candidate knowingly. Not even Old Man River.

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"But, look, one of the realities of this campaign is that there is a tacit, and not so tacit, effort underway to sow doubts about Obama with false suggestions that he's got a secret Muslim past or even terrorist sympathies." Serious nut jobs maybe. So a guy on FNC says it and it's part of the Vast-Right-Wing Conspiracy but your boy Chris or anyone here makes an honest mistake...? "I'll take Hypocrisy for $300 Alex..."

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Maybe he should change his name to Barry O'Hara and then Chris, and Pat and Barnicle can sit around tell more good old Irish Catholic boy stories.

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And, man, that was a real stinker, Chris.

Just wait, there will be worse.
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I don't think it was intended for he was parallel processing hesitantly as he spoke.

As soon as he said, he knew it was a problem. That's progress.


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The big problem with Chris Matthews tonight is that he had Margaret Carlson on.

i get how ppl can say it wrong. but i don't get how ppl can TYPE it wrong.

"S" and "B" are pretty far apart when it comes to typing. u gotta make a stretch for the latter.

to be fair, he DID almost slip and say 'McCain' before catching himself to say 'Bush', and in light of his time as a POW, I'd say that slip was much worse.

Tweety's a douchebag, but he's now Obama's douchebag. Like Olbermann

Meh, I'll admit it - I've caught myself accidentally writing "Obama" when I meant to write "Osama." It's not a crime to mix up too phonetically similar words; it's a problem when someone's trying to insinuate some deeper, false meaning from the phonetic similarity (ex: signs or pins that say "Osama...Obama...hmmm...").

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Hey! In all fairness, I've made this mistake a couple of times lately too. The names are similar and not every time someone screws it up means there was a conspiracy. I'm just sayin'

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I'm sorry, folks...it's not that difficult to get it right.

It's good that he recognized what happened immediately and I do think he wouldn't take as big of a hit if he showed bloggers some respect once in a while, but damn. Obama's been in the race for well over a year!

It's not that difficult!

Come on, its Tweety! He probably took only six meds pills instead of the prescribed 9.

I'm looking forward to when Olbermann does it. We have 5 more months before the election, and if Obama wins we'll have 49 months after that.

This isn't hard, but you have to be extremely disciplined. I worked with an editor once who told me one of her writers always wrote "pubic" instead of "public." :-)

I used to teach middle school science. Not a year went by that some 6th grader would be reading aloud for the class and would come across the word "organism" and say "orgasm." Lots of snickers ensued with the reader generally having no clue what was funny. I always kept a straight face.

some 6th grader would be reading aloud for the class and would come across the word "organism" and say "orgasm."

If the word "organism" was making him come, maybe he was shouting "orgasm" to let you know.

I came across a lot of words in sixth grade, most of them in a book called Forever by Judy Blume. And then Andrea Hopkins stopped lending it to me because she said the pages were all stuck together.


Lamont, it is to the point where anytime I see your avatar, I put aside any beverage before I read the post.

Bourbon's less appealing when emitted through the nostrils.

In other words, please don't change your avatar!

Okay Greg, I am officially in awe of your new powers as superman of the internets. Keep up the good work.


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I saw this too. In all fairness Matthew seemed pretty upset, and Andrea Mitchell kinda just hurried him along so he wouldn't start apologizing profusely.

Either way, I've decided to give up on other MSNBC shows, and watch only Olbermann. I cannot stand that MSNBC has Pat Buchanan on as a analyst. As Tavis Smiley once said, "Pat Buchanan is a racial arsonist!" Which made it laughable that Hardball had Buchanan commenting on race relations in America. It's bad enough watching Morning Joe when Joe "I was a Congressman, ignore the dead girl in my office" Scarborough is on doing his backhanded complimenting of Obama, or when Mike Barnacle/Mika B/etc start their apologizing/rationalizing for John McCain routine.
let's not forget that idiot Dan "I'm not a journalist" Abrams who had some right wing idiot on his "Verdict" show who basically said that Michelle Obama is not just an ANGRY BLACK WOMEN, but ungrateful, lazy and un-fulfilled woman to boot, and Abrams sputtered and did nada.

The only shows I can stomach to watch is Countdown. To my recollection I don't believe that Olbermann has ever had Pat Buchanan as a "analyst". If he does, then I will just delete MSNBC from my channel list, the same way I did Fox News.

Sorry about the rant, but I have had this on my chest since this morning, and this was the last straw.

I am SO with you on that. I watch the news shows at the gym in the morning (I don't have cable at home), and between stupid crappy Morning Joe and the buffoons on Fox, it's a pretty bleak landscape.

Can we be a little objective here?

When someone is exchanging Obama's and Osama's name on purpose, their agenda is to create a smear and they should be called on it.

When someones misspeaks, as it is obvious in this case (please watch the video, if you haven't yet,) it would be important that we let it be just that.

All of you who say that you've never made this mistake: you must have made some others.

I know that I, many times, call the person I am speaking to by somebody else's name, maybe my mother's or the friend I was just talking to.

Everyone is free to interpret, but that freedom doesn't make the interpretation any more accurate.

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I didn't see it but I did see him say earlier in the broadcast that Bill Clinton didn't seem "randy" to campaign for Obama. I don't know what goes on in Mathew's mind and I don't want to know. Why NBC keeps him on the air I'll never know. What's worse is he'll probably quit and run for the senate from PA. Can you imagine this emotional adolescent in the senate? Sheesh.

I think we should go the opposite direction. Let's all over-react. Wait... this ISN'T part of a vast right wing conspiracy? Can't we still over-react?

The problem is when some news organizations make a oint of referring to the head of Al Qaeda as Osama vs bin Laden, and take advantage of the similarity to make it easy to slip into the Osama (first name)/Obama (last name) error.
If a news organization had a rule "say bin Laden or lose your job" you can be sure that the frequency of this "innocent" error would drop.
When we excuse it for Matthews as an innocent error, we buy into the right-wing hate-machine framing of the whole discussion. When will we learn that they are no more qualified to determine the terms of debate than we are? When will we call them on these sophomoric tricks?
Note - the Three Stooges were sophomoric too, but they had a lot of fans. In the real world, a talking point goes a long way, and we continue to let the right wing perpetuate some really bad ones.

These guys are probably making Obama Osama jokes all the time when off camera. When the time comes to go before the camera and a live mike, it slips out. If he's not professional enough to stop this, then fire is ass and get someone who can do the job properly.

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Y'know what... I've done it on accident too. The two names roll off the tongue so easily, and they're so similar - only one letter difference. I'd cut him some slack.

He was obviously genuinely sorry. You can see it in his reaction, body language, etc. Stuff happens, that's all it is.

I've been for Obama since day one. Twice in the same conversation once (but only then) I said Osama when I meant Obama. It meant nothing except fatigue in that instance. I'm no fan of Matthews, but a motormouth like him is certain to make such innocent slips sometime. I consider devoting a whole story to this, as Greg has done, to be journalism in the Fox News mode. We have real issues facing us, and I consider it contemptible to make a big deal of this.

As for calling him "Bin Laden" instead: his name is Osama. Doesn't Bin Laden just mean "son of Laden"? We should not be embarrassed that his name happens to be close to that of Obama. We're not all snickering children here looking to catch people in Beavis and Butthead level gaffes.

It's an obvious misspeak. Unlike Fox News boo-boos. Like spoonerisms, this is a natural consequence of the way the brain stores associative memories. If Osama were some villain from a thirties horror film, it might be purposeful. But Osama is a regular part of the Obama gestalt -- even Obama mentions Osama quite often (as Osama) -- so that the names are closely related semantically.

Jeez, even Ted Kennedy mixed the two up.

I don't know how many times I've conflated my daughter's, sister's, and wife's names.

Not really news.

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It's a one-letter difference, and particularly in a phrase like "Obama headquarters" which they've probably rolled off their tongue a couple of hundred times. Hell, he probably misread the cue card.

But it's a single letter! Even if you get it right 99.9% of the time, it's still likely to be misstated a dozen times between now and election day.

A single letter. Like Iraq and Iran. Russia and Prussia. Iceland and Ireland.

I'm tired of excusing pundits for their purposeful Obama/Osama mishaps. I have never had this problem. I suspect most educated people haven't. And even if you excuse the first misstatement, there is NO EXCUSE for repeated misstatements.

"Us at TPM"? How about "we" at TPM

Someone needs to tell all the main stream media that it is only appropiate to identify Osama bin Laden by his last name.

If they made this the practice then the mistakes will be fewer.

I for one do not believe it was a mistake. During the primary, Matthews stated he was a Democrat. However, since the primary, Matthews has fallen into the Republican party line of asking questions about how John McCain is going to beat Obama. He and others at MSNBC have continually harped on ways McCain can beat Obama. Their answer in all cases has been to discredit Obama, paint him as "unknown exotic", "young and inexperienced", and weak on terrorism. They have admitted that on all the issues Americans care about Obama beats McCain hands down and the only way to beat him is to demonize him.

Notice the MSM never asks how Obama is going to beat McCain. Notice the MSM is continually talking about weaknesses of Obama but not McCain weaknesses. Notice how the MSM will only show Obama quotes and in contrast show video of McCain attacks. This way America continually gets to see McCain but not Obama.

Matthews refers to Obama as a "kid", which to me is insulting, and is intended to put the meme "youth and inexperience" into his viewers minds. He has done this on several occasions. Obama should call him out on this, a man approching 50 is not a kid.

NO, Matthews did not make a mistake. He just showed his true colors.

I used to like Margaret Carlson on Crossfire. What the hell happened to her? She has said some really dumb things lately!

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