Breaking: Hillary To Suspend Campaign
A senior Hillaryland source confirms to us that reports Hillary will drop out of the race on Friday and endorse Obama are accurate.
NYT:
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is moving to suspend her campaign and endorse Senator Barack Obama on Friday after Democratic members of Congress urged her Wednesday to leave the race and allow the party to coalesce around Mr. Obama, according to a senior adviser to Mrs. Clinton.Mrs. Clinton is likely to make the announcement in New York City, an aide said, though no final venue has been chosen.
Her decision came after a day of telephone conversations with supporters on Capitol Hill about what she should do now that Mr. Obama had claimed enough delegates to be able to clinch the nomination. Mrs. Clinton had initially said she wanted to wait before making any decision, but her aides said that in conversations, some of her closest supporters said it was urgent that she step aside.
"We pledged to support her to the end," said Representative Charles W. Rangel, a New York Democrat who has been a patron of Mrs. Clinton since she first ran for the Senate. "Our problem is not being able to determine when the hell the end is."
Late Update: The latest reports are that the event where she announces her withdrawal and endorsement will be Saturday.
Late Late Update: Here's the statement from the Hillary campaign -- the event is indeed on Saturday:
Senator Clinton will be hosting an event in Washington, DC on [Saturday] to thank her supporters and express her support for Senator Obama and party unity.
Which is to say, it's official.
The light at the end of the tunnel.
June 4, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
what a classy bunch.
the sad truth is, john mccain has just been elected the 44th president of the united states.
the good truth is hillary's time will soon come. we'll all realize she was right and she will become the first woman president of the unites states in 2012.
June 4, 2008 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Keep smoking that good stuff, okee. You'll need it to get you through to Obama's inauguration.
June 4, 2008 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
he won't be inaugurating anything.
we can enjoy the glory now, but he'll lose in november.
June 4, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yeah , Obamas going to lose to some old fart who can barely read a teleprompter. Good one .
June 4, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
and george w. bush was elected to HOW many terms?
June 4, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your powers of prognostication underwhelm me.
June 4, 2008 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not trying to be a jerk but do you live in Kentucky or West Virginia?
June 4, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have no idea who okee is and I don't care. But let's not sit in our progressive TPM bubble and have the false sense that everyone in this country has a brain and there are only a few racists. My colleague told me today that no one in her family (they live in OHIO) will vote for Obama. Her mom believes he's gotten all his campaign money from the Saudis!!! And this family is one of the "educated" ones. OMG. We will have to work our butts off for every single vote - so get ready
June 5, 2008 1:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please move. If you honestly think Hillary ran a good campaign (as gracious as Obama has been to her) you're deluded. You're also deluded if you think that McCain will win in November.
If he does, then I'm moving, because something is batshit crazy in this country.
June 4, 2008 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillery mislead her supporters for weeks now just to get them to continue to contribute to what she knew all along was lost cause. I just hope that her supporters realize that they were used for money.
June 5, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you could vote on the internet, Obama might have a chance, but since you cannot, I am not confident that younger voters will stage a big turnout.
Secondly, older Americans were never supporters of Obama and they won't be now either.
June 5, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Um.. . bwahahahaha! That's not change we can believe in!
I can't *WAIT* until the first debate. John McClueless had better bring something even better than his "A" game... and a fresh change of Depends!
Frankly, he's about 15 years past his "A" game, though nobody wants to say it... but it's really starting to show. Once upon a time, he came off as a ranting yet oftentimes effective hothead. Now, he comes off as a transparently scripted, teleprompter-reading hack, who simply cannot back away from his Bush-like positions on the issues.
McCain is fine candidate... on paper... so long as he's not forced to speak in public or think on his feet. Increasingly though, he's coming off as the worst oratorical Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate since James Stockdale. (Yes, that includes Dan Quayle, who was somehow, amazingly, a better public speaker than McCain currently is.)
What we're going to witness in this campaign is an oratorical mugging, with the media repeatedly pointing out his numerous inaccuracies and the fact that he looks incredibly old, lost, and uncomfortable. He'll be *wishing* that he'll have Lieberman on stage to whisper in his ear.
McSame will beg and plead for town halls, ideally with a format where he won't be mobbed by a supportive Obama audience, and where can hopefully stay on message without having to answer too many unexpected questions. Instead, he's going to get head-to-head debates, when Obama feels like it... and given that Obama is a far more effective campaigner than McClone, with the capability of actually exciting and mobilizing armies of supporters, every day McCain spends on the campaign trail will be a step backwards. And as for the debates, he will lose them too!
Frankly, this is Obama's election to lose... and he can afford to act like it. He doesn't need to cede McCain any ground or advantages, because he will be winning every day simply by staying in the race, speaking to large crowds of Americans, and playing his game.
One thing is for sure. McLame can't win by saying -- after eight years of Bush -- that change and putting middle-class Americans first sucks.
June 4, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know. I fear that if Obama outshines McCain right away, the Republicans are going to figure this out and run someone else. Hang in there, McCain!
June 4, 2008 11:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wanna bet?
June 5, 2008 1:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Watch the polls. their are enough intellegent people in this county to pull off the vote for Obama to win.
June 5, 2008 1:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know where idiotic is, but I'll do it for him:
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!!
June 4, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
perfect
June 4, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what, I think it actually is. A hell of a lot of people are going to stop being mad at her. That can't be bad.
June 4, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I think some of her supporters who are still donating money today (!) might be a bit upset.
June 4, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who would be continuing to donate money to her campaign at this point?
June 4, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
dijamo for one.
June 4, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
The sympathetic, those in the first stage of grief, and the mentally ill.
June 4, 2008 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well played.
June 5, 2008 12:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm pretty sure that well dried up a month or more ago.
June 5, 2008 7:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
very good work. in keeping with the EXCELLENCE Magnitude Scale EMS it should be 3 exclamation points followed by 4 as this is previously unseen levels of excellence. To wit, THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!!
June 4, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ack! Where you been?
June 4, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The generic is never as good as the brand name :)
June 4, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. I love the way that sounds tonight. I would totally buy that T-Shirt. You listening, Idiotic?
June 4, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
BRILLIANT!!!
Are you listening, idiotic?!
June 4, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't sell shirts. I think there's a place online that does though, peruse the archives.
June 4, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
You should at least be getting royalties.
http://www.zazzle.com/this_is_excellent_news_for_hillary_shirt-235456910823818404
June 4, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
thank freakin god.
June 4, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank Charlie Rangel
June 4, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really? How so?
June 4, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
for perpetuating the Hillary-Go-Round for months and months.
Now the republicans have absolutely fabulous footage to use where she had months and months to call Barack every name in the book, praise John McCain for being all that is good and wonderful in the world, and that the black muslim sexist does not pass the threshold to be president.
Yeah, thanks Rangel!
June 4, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
True point.
June 4, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rangel forced the conference call with congressional supporters of Hillary who told her to get off the pot since they were now expected to support Obama. Rangel in particular needed to get behind his Harlem constituency, so he was in the forefront of the "time to wrap this baby up" call.
June 5, 2008 7:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Finally!
June 4, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's more than one way to take that. In one sense I want to yell - "o come on! The hell you can't tell." In another sense, I'm dying laughing at that.
June 4, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I cheered and got hot BBQ all on m'self!
She got took to the woodshed today by the adults in her party. Score a big one for democracy!
June 4, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. About time.
June 4, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pork, I hope?!?!
June 4, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is replay to TenaX quoting Rangal "Our problem is not being able to determine when the hell the end is."
When I read this I thought it said
"Our problem is not being able to determine when this hell will end."
I swear!
June 4, 2008 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
"We pledged to support her to the end," said Representative Charles W. Rangel, a New York Democrat who has been a patron of Mrs. Clinton since she first ran for the Senate. "Our problem is not being able to determine when the hell the end is."
Charlie Rangel does not disappoint!
June 4, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. Finally.
I still don't understand why Friday. It is Wednesday and already a day too late.
What kind of entitlement is this?
June 4, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
As long as we all know that she's out, I'm cool with giving her time to write her concession speech and work out the details of her exit. It will be better for the party if she does it her way (so long as it's not destructive--I know, that's a big IF).
June 4, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not wanting to be crass, but since Friday is also the 40th anniversery of a terrible tragedy in the history of politican campaigns, maybe she'll include in her concessin speech an actual apology for what she said a few weeks ago.
Not holding my breath on that. but when and until I hear her say "I concede" I am not willing to give her any slack.
She did, after all, have her surrogate negotiate the deal with punishing early states, she drafted and signed a commitment to not campaign and not particiapte - but yet she frothed up all her supporters to create havoc last weekend at the RBC and beyond.
June 4, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
She will 'suspend', not concede.
June 4, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's just a technicality, it really doesn't mean anything and it allows her to try and raise a few dollars to pay off some of her debt.
June 4, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Friday is the 40th anniversary of a terrible tragedy.
Maybe she is planning to include an apology with her concession speech in honor of the occasion.
But honestly, I am not quite sure I will believe her if she concedes on Friday anyways. She did sign that famous pledge about early voting states and see how well a signed promise did us there.
June 4, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg failed to mention a key point, a more important point- NYT reports Hillary will Endorse Obama.
June 4, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
correction and apologies to Greg. He did say it, I just didn't see it. I do think however, it deserves to be a part of the headline.
June 4, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually I'm pretty sure I read earlier today that unless I hear it straight from Hillary it's false, and anyone in the big, bad ol' media who tries to tell me different is a lying liar.
June 5, 2008 1:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't you guys get it? Every time some un-named source in the Clinton campaign leaks this stuff, Hillary does the exact opposite thing.
In teacher school we learned a technique called extinguishing.
Stop paying attention to these attention getting behaviors. It only encourages her.
Stop reporting on her. Stop making these behaviors relevant.
There are bigger fish to fry.
June 4, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you. I'll believe it when I see it. There have been too many of these "leaks" that are later denied.
I'll cross my fingers, but I won't hold my breath.
June 4, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
What mutu wa mbuzi said! When we see it, we'll believe it...
June 4, 2008 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her own supporters in Congreff got tired of her Norma Desmond act
June 4, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Norma Desmond? I thought it was Carrie, myself.
June 4, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, she's still big; it's the NOMINATION that got small!
:norma desmond:
June 5, 2008 12:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
All the cable news channels are ablaze.
June 4, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her supporters forced her out:
She's going to be bitter for a while, but I think she'll be ok come July.
I think Obama needs to head overseas in the next couple of weeks.
June 4, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
No no - not Obama - Bill.
If I were Bill, I'd be so gone.
June 4, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Hillary's as smart as she claims to be, he will be.
June 4, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her congressional supporters forced her out. That's worth noting, less than 24 hours after Hillary asked her regular supporters to go to her website and tell her what she should do. What happened to listening to the people, Hillary? Are all your supporters invisible? Didn't you count their votes?
Okay, that's cheap shot quota.
June 4, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her congressional supporters??? So does that mean on Friday that the entire NY Delegation will be endorsing Sen. Obama???
Seems only appropriate.
June 4, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh my God, that's so spot-on.
June 4, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
huh? why should obama leave the country if hillary concedes?
June 4, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Same problem that's plagued her whole campaign - she's out of touch with the moment.
June 4, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
During WW2 in the Pacific war, U.S. troops took a lone japanese infantryman prisoner. During his interrogation, he remarked that his outfit had been ordered to fight to the last man. "So what happened"? he was asked. To which he replied, "I'm the last man".
June 4, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think her hideously self serving performance last night had her phone ringing off the hook about having to get out. She was really so over the top that even Clinton loyalist were like , " Ok, that's enough!" Then Whoopi Goldberg on the view today and the other ladies came out against her speech. I will believe it when I see it but I hope that Obama's team didint give her Sheeeiit!
June 4, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was as stunned as Baba Wawa when none of them would say Hillary should be on the ticket as VP. And Whoopi was pissed!
June 4, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
What Whoopi Goldberg on the view? I missed it.
June 4, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4997318
June 4, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ooooh, thanks! That was most satisfactory. I've always loved Whoopi Goldberg and I was dismayed to see that she was supporting Clinton. Who was that blond simp next to Walters?
June 4, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think she was the "Talent" on Yahoo's "9" vid-clip rundown that seems to have faded away.
Can't remember her name, but can't forget those teeth!
June 4, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROTFLMAO
June 4, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's Elizabeth Hasselbeck - the resident right-winger. She came to fame from being on Survivor - I think the second season.
June 4, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
indeed. look for shelly o -- my neighbor's loveslang for the future first lady -- to re-educate miz hasselback when she co-hosts "the view" on the 18th. now, THAT'll be can't-miss daytime TV.
June 4, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
don't forget her chart topping speech at the RNC in'04.
and her rumble with Rosie that got Rosie kicked off the show.
Her husband is the QB for Seattle.
June 4, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, the quarterback for the Seahawks, Matt Hasselbeck, is her brother-in-law. She's married to Tim Hasselbeck - who was with the Cardinals last I heard.
June 4, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember watching that season - the only season of Survivor I ever tuned into - and cheered for her. The, when I found out she was so deluded politically, I threw up in my mouth a little.
And then raced to the bathroom and the the whole shot came up.
June 4, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
She was the only one on that View clip that wanted Hillary on the ticket. Doesn't that say something.
Could you imagine the RNC on their knees praying "Oh please..Obama pick her as a running mate...it's our only hope"
June 5, 2008 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please, Obama-Wan-Kenobi. She's our only hope.
June 5, 2008 12:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Somebody call Geraldine Ferraro and ask her what she thinks!
Hell, somebody call Nash McCabe!
June 4, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Intrepid reporter Charles Barkley is now covering the death of Ferraro for TPM.
June 4, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of the wittiest comments ever uttered.
June 4, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
how did i not see this before. awesome-o.
June 4, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Haha, oh wow...Barkley's the man.
June 4, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw this last night:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/06/charles-barkley-sums-up-tonigh.php
June 4, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think her hideously self serving performance last night had her phone ringing off the hook about having to get out. She was really so over the top that even Clinton loyalist were like , " Ok, that's enough!" Then Whoopi Goldberg on the view today and the other ladies came out against her speech. I will believe it when I see it but I hope that Obama's team didint give her Sheeeiit!
June 4, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I pledged Beta Chapter back in 1993.
June 4, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
MSNBC is reporting that it started with Rep Charlie Rangle who wanted the NY delegation to set up a conf call. The news spread like wildfire, and 23 members of Congress on the conf call said "Enough!"
I think she really hurt her veep chances with her bad taste bi-polar no acknowledgment while she muscles her way onto the ticket.
June 4, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmmm....sounds like an intervention.
June 4, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
WOO HOO! I hope her endorsement is sincere, and not "you only won because I twisted my ankle."
Seriously, though. Will she keep pushing for the veep, or just let the whole thing ride?
June 4, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
WOOHOO! Finally! FINALLY! THANK YOU! I just, this is EXCELLENT NEWS! Haha, I'm like, ecstatic right now. I can't believe it. FINALLY!
June 4, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, the word "likely" is an important part of the actual NYT article's title but you left it out of your title. Here we go again...
June 4, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is why you don't repeat claims that are at best dubious--things like that you won the overall vote--at the end of a primary:
http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/06/04/012917#view_comments
June 4, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
yeah they are a bit nutz aren't they.
June 4, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
A bit nuts?
Lord.
June 4, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's...awesome.
I mean, it's tragically sad, but still.
I wonder if she's one of those people that dress squirrels up in cute costumes and take photos?
June 5, 2008 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
My god. We have to save that squirrel.
June 5, 2008 1:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
OMG, It's Diana Moon Glampers!
June 5, 2008 1:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice. I pledged grad in Oakland,Ca and My wife graduated from Howard. It's good to see Bro. Rangel finally getting on the right side lol
June 4, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word? I relocated to Oakland last year. Small world. And yes, it's about time he came home.
June 4, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, bro hit me up on facebook if u got it.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=77002717
June 4, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I lived in Oaktown for years--great city!
June 5, 2008 1:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, the campaign is over what's to suspend. There aren't anymore primaries or caucuses.
Gregg, don't forget to turn in those expenses. Friday's the deadline. Just wanted to remind you.
Finally, you gotta love charlie rangel. The guy is a total straight shooter. Thanks charlie.
June 4, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm listening to Lanny Davis go into denial on MSNBC. He still thinks she's winning, doesn't he?
June 4, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Winning? No. Entitlement to not only speak, but control the debate?
Well, not any longer!
June 4, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well put.
June 4, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, I'm envisioning a scene from "Carrie," only it's Obama bent over the grave, laying the flowers and suddenly Hillary's hand reaches out of the grave and grabs him. Or maybe it was "The Night Of The Living Clinton."
June 4, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like her supporters in Congress told her to end it, or they would end it. Too bad she had to be forced to do the right thing, but there it is. Now if they can get her to end the whole veep blackmail then I'll exhale.
June 4, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, good point. We've gotten over one hurdle, but there's still another... It frustrates me to no end that despite the primary being over, she has to drag her shit with her to the other side.
June 4, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can we all salute Clinton?
Clap, Clap, point, point!
June 4, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget: Mouth agape. Nod, nod.
June 4, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
What you wrote about mouths gaping just reminded me of the viral 1984 video from last year..... which has come true. Yay! Was that your reference?
June 4, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll throw in a cackle....
June 4, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope he trusts his instincts not to ask her to be veep. ++terrible idea.
June 4, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, I'm even less worried about that than I was about 18 million Democrats voting for McLame when it came right down to it.
June 4, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's a terrific post up on HuffPo about that, by BeingFrank.
The vast majority of true Democratic Clinton supporters will support Obama no matter what is said while in the heat of battle, or the stinging aftermath.
Clinton herself will make sure of this, otherwise she will be demonized and ousted from the Democratic party, for handing the reins to our country, while on this high mountain one lane pass, back into the reckless clutches of the republicans, a drastic historical error that would destroy not only her family legacy, but the cause of the women whom she claims to represent.
The fault would fall directly at her doorstep, not only because the rift she created by pandering to gender extremist and racist who by power of relation to family, and association, pulled others into their maelstrom with innuendo and spin and outrageous lies, but for refusing to relinquish her claim on 18 million votes that do not belong to her, but to the Democratic party and to America.
Let those few remaining hard cases stand out, and be marked for what they are, Extremist, no better than those who destroyed our twin towers, or suicide bombers, who would rip apart innocent lives, to make a political point.
They never really shared our democratic dream of equality for all, but were only out to use us to create a power base for a few.
Let us weed these Political Terrorist out, and allow them to sit alone in the sun, until they dry up, and are blown away.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/clinton-to-obama-if-you-d_b_105250.html
June 4, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry to burst your bubble, Miss Agrippina, but neither Hillary Clinton, nor Howard Dean, nor Nancy Pelosi, nor even your Lord and Master Barack Obama owns my vote.
I'm not voting for Barry, and you can't make me.
June 4, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, dammit, we lost everyone. Time to go home. Thanks for telling us now so we didn't spend so much time donating money and knocking on doors and putting up signs.
Back to the basement, I guess.
June 4, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fair enough. The party is moving on. It will be without you. So be it. See, the Dem party is VERY large, and growing by leaps and bounds on a daily basis now. Sorry you won't be a part of it, but you have your own path to take. Best of luck as you walk that path.
But I am with agrippna, we will not be held hostage as a party to your pique. We're moving on. Happily.
June 4, 2008 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
"We pledged to support her to the end," said Representative Charles W. Rangel, a New York Democrat who has been a patron of Mrs. Clinton since she first ran for the Senate. "Our problem is not being able to determine when the hell the end is."
It's like the war on terra, Rep. Rangel. It's like the war on terra. She's using George Bush's playbook.
June 4, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
My money is on Mark Warner, Sen. Webb, or Wes Clark
June 4, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would be estatic with the first one you list, can live with the other two (in that order as well).
June 4, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mark Warner would be an outstanding choice, however Webb's seat is too important in the Senate and I've never been a Wes Clark fan. Also consider Tim Kaine...I like them Virginians!
June 4, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was looking at Kaine too, but he is anti-choice so that is non-starter for VP. I agree that we need Webb's seat to stay put.
June 4, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll take Warner, please.
June 4, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Friday...this Friday?
Friday, in Hillary's mind, can
mean never having to say I concede.
June 4, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or, it depends on what the meaning of "Friday" is?
June 4, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did she specify THIS Friday? Are we sure she's not shooting for some Friday in 2017?
June 4, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
June 4, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
WOOHOO!!!!
Its over...finally!
June 4, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another Important Reason Why Hillary Can Not Be The VP Pick:
Recall how she put herself in a bind, by voting for the Iraq War, and that is probably what gave Senator Obama the launching platform for his campaign. Had Hillary voted against the Iraq War, there would have been no Obama campaign, and she would be the nominee.
Now she has shot herself in the foot, in the same manner, when it comes to putting herself in contention for the VP spot.
She said that Senator Obama has not crossed the Commander In Chief Threshold.
Imagine having her running as your VP pick, and during the debates, and all through out the fall campaign, how often the Republicans would point out that even Senator Obama's hand picked running mate does not believe that he is qualified to do the job.
Hillary has done enough harm already with that statement, and the Republicans are going to use the video of her saying it, but it would be a much more devastating weapon to use against Senator Obama, were he to have Hillary on the ticket. You can predict what they would say over and over again.
Hillary Clinton was for the Iraq War before She Was against it, and Hillary Clinton believed that Senator Obama is not qualified to be Commander in Chief, before she needed to be picked for the VP slot.
Hillary's own words have made it impossible to have her on the ticket.
June 4, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you can add Bill's words past and inevitably future to that calculation.
June 4, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
liam, you are so right about this, like you are about so many issues. I do notice that you often hit the jugular at the right times on these threads, as well as do a good job with bringing in and linking to information, cartoons, etc that are appreciated.
June 4, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hoist by her own petard.
June 5, 2008 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Until her campaign comes out and rejects this story, saying that she will "Never concede. You hear me, you Democrats?! NEVER!"
June 4, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
That reminds me of this Headzup clip
June 5, 2008 12:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
It ain't over until the calorie-challenged lady sings. I think I speak for all calorie-challenged ladies when I say I won't believe it until I hear her in her dressing room warming up the pipes.
June 4, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, hit enter too soon. I do believe, really I do, I'm just so tired of these teasers that end up being lies. Frankly, if she doesn't bail on Friday, we'll see her abandoned by all but the most insane superdelegates. Hell, some pledged delegates might decide they've had enough, especially in states like, say, California, where Obama now leads Hillary against McCain.
Rangel is right--she's leaving Democratic leaders twisting in the wind while she engages in what she thinks are savvy maneuvers to get some control of the DNC back. The sad thing is that she's already blown it. At this point, she's unlikely to get more than a seat in the back of the room for a long time to come.
June 4, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Take John Edwards. He hasn't held elected office since, what, 2004? And yet he's considered an "elder statesman" in the party because he knew when to hold his cards during this nomination process, and when to fold them with tact, grace, and dignity.
June 4, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's because his father used to work in the mills.
June 4, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
His father worked in the mills? Really?
I didn't know that.
/snark
June 4, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
At last, she rests.
Kudos, Senator Clinton.
June 4, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Hillary.
June 4, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
You don't celebrate the death of Jason Vorhees until the credits actually roll.
Even then you have to stay to end to make sure they don't throw in a "The End?" moment after the credits.
June 4, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm thinking of the last scene in "Gone with the Wind".
June 4, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Am I the only one who's just a little sad that we won't have Hillary Clinton to kick around anymore?
June 4, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
YES.
June 4, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
"senior Hillaryland source"
Right. Sounds like another snow job by an anonymous Obama staffer to me...
June 4, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed.
June 4, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you know Obama was deep throat AND leaked Valerie Plame's identity?
June 4, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, but I knew that the media uproar over the Plame affair was Obama's fault.
June 4, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
The two of you must quit lunching with Dijamo!
June 4, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who told you that?! I bet it was an anonymous Obama staffer...
June 4, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Au contraire!
Lanny called ...
June 4, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
The menu of sour grapes is too good to pass up.
June 4, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. Lanny said a nice whine was involved.
June 4, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
With a side order of Frenchcries.
June 4, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a side order of DISENFRENCHFRY, thankyouverymuch
June 4, 2008 10:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
My bad.
June 4, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't get the Mountain Dew completely out of my keyboard. You guys owe me!
And that stuff really hurts coming out of my nose. An apology would be nice, too.
June 4, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do a line of blow. It anesthetizes the nose.
Oh. And I'm sorry.
June 4, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her speech last night REALLY pissed her big supporters off
Fittingly Terry McAuliffe's intro made them even angrier
June 4, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am surprised that McAuliffe elicits any emotion other than laughter.
June 4, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whew! Yah Hillary did a great job of campaigning and some of it(not much) may have made Obama a better candidate and gotten vulnerabilities out of the way now. But I am so sick of her self-serving demands, threats, and rationales. I feel genuinely delighted that she has lost, in part, because I was a supporter of hers and even a donor.
Clearly there were two moments that mattered: 1. Clinton and her campaign failure to plan for post-SuperTuesday caucuses and primaries; 2. Going negative, in particular trying to game the race card to gain some votes. The first we can write off to human imperfection; the second will require forgiveness.
In desperation, Hillary chose to use race, gender, income, and even education as wedge issues. By their nature, wedge issues divide us. Now she has divided us men from women, blacks from whites, rich from poor, and young from old. She owes us an apology before she can be forgiven. Other than that, happy to honor her if she would just concede.
June 4, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice comment.
She went Republican- Karl Rove's main strategy was always: Divide and Conquer. The Republicans ran that way; Hillary ran that way.
That all over. Thank the gods and the goddesses!
June 4, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, she didn't do any of those things. The only reason most of the blogosphere dislikes her is because she's not Barack Obama.
June 4, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. The sad thing is (for her) that she may have ended up in the same place, delegate-wise, if she hadn't gone all Rove on us. And she may have ended up ahead.
June 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would be nice to know what Hillary's tipping point was.
What was especially galling to me, was her use of the feminist cause to stick it to Obama. I wonder if other like minded women, especially those in groups such as NOW, that endorsed Hillary rebelled.
After Hill's "victory" speech, I was beginning to wonder whether John McCain, as lame a candidate as he is might win the general, and roll back the clock on women's rights to the 1950's.
My eternal gratitude to those who helped make Hillary's concession possible.
June 4, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fineman said it was 8 Senators telling her it was time NOW, i.e., if she wants to have a bright future in the Senate.
June 4, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oo Ooo - can I say I told you so?
Been sayin that now for awhile - there was always only so far she could go if she wants to have any kind of career in the senate left.
June 4, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if they all chanted to her: "The power of Christ compels you."
Teehee. Okay I'll stop.
June 4, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG that was a drink spewing out the nose moment. Just the imaginary vision of that....
June 4, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it must be the realization that her supporters in the Party would start jumping ship, and she'd get to the convention very much alone.
I think that a few of the more honest ones let her know that her performance last night gave them a big push in the back.
You can get your diehard supporters on the street all riled up, but savvy party insiders aren't going to sit back and not support the obvious nominee.
June 4, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
How could she not know? What vaunted political skill was telling her to say what she said? Did she do it on purpose?
One symptom of bi-polar denial is finding only messy, ugly completions in life, such that the victimhood might be preserved.
June 4, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someone with authority had to stop her, because she COULD NOT stop herself. She was clearly out of control.
June 4, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jonathan Alter reports that Hillary VP is DEAD because, among other reasons, she doesn't want Bill to be vetted
June 4, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell, I myself don't know if I really want to know what's hiding in the shadows behind Bill.
June 4, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, no doubt those stinking Kazakhs are lurking somewhere.
Though, if true, it really makes a mockery of her repeated claim that she was the only candidate who was fully vetted. Imagine if she had won the nomination and then shit about Bill's business dealings and fundraising came to light.
June 4, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
She should have Bill Vetted thirty five years ago. That would have kept her big dog on the porch!
June 4, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Out of curiosity, do you mean vetted... or spayed?!
June 4, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes.
June 5, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've heard, several times in the past half hour or so, claims that the Clinton camp is resigned to the fact that she won't be VP, because that would require the vetting of Bill's post-presidential finances, and (to quote Harold Fineman a moment ago), he wouldn't be able to pass that vetting.
What?
Did I mishear or something?
Bill can't pass a financial vetting? And they know this? And presumably knew this? And it's bad enough that she realizes she can't be VP because of this? But didn't realize she couldn't be President because of this?
WTF?
June 4, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
The mind boggles, where there is left of it that hasn't been thoroughly boggled already.
June 4, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ain't that the truth!
June 4, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think you misheard anything. However, if she was the Presidential nominee, she would bring in enough votes to counter the negatives. As VP, there is no net positive effect. Most people will vote based on the President, not VP.
Two different things IMO.
June 4, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that's what she thought would happen. I think she was wrong. But that was the plan; she was inevitable, a force of nature. Until she walked off the cliff.
June 4, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with what you're saying. However, I stick by my premise that as a Presidential candidate she brings more people in than she loses, but as a VP its almost all negative.
June 4, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's fucking insane. Without Sen Obama, we'd've been sooooooooooo hoodwinked and horsefuckered.
She pissed off the wrong people last night, and broke the camel's back.
The only sensible option is divorce.
June 4, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, it's outrageous.
There must be some pretty iffy stuff, if she's willing to throw away the VP slot, in order for to keep it secret.
V. smart of the Obama people, to make complete transparency a condition.
June 4, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Complete transparency is the only way to have honest politicians, and by extension, honest politics. If you don't hide who your friends are and so on, it becomes pretty close to impossible to have mud slung on you, because you've already acknowledged that you're human, warts and all.
Rovian style politics utterly fail in the face of an honest man, because Rovian politics rely on the skeletons in the closet as ammo for the opposition. Without said skeletons, or the illusion of those skeletons, it's impossible to really wage a successful Rovian campaign.
June 5, 2008 3:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Although I'll never forgive certain
progressive blogs for their lowdown trashing of her, this is good news. It was only a matter of time and it's good that some of her most ardent supporters spoke to her today and made her see the situation. Time to forget about HRC and concentrate on taking back the WH and restoring sanity. The race is ON!
June 4, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Walrus,
I agree, I was nauseated how HRC was treated by SOME of the Senator Obama boosters on this site. It did not escape my notice that her being a woman got the most deprication. I have also started to notice that Senator McCain has now started to be bashed with the primary issue being ageism.
So, being a woman and old (any gender) is politically correct to bash, and this is the new Change for America? I think it is the same old America.
June 4, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any negative talk about someone you support and have invested energy into, whether it's Clinton or McCain will look to some like it has to be because of some problem on the attacker's part and not the person being criticized. if you supported Obama, it would be racism, if you support McCain it's ageism, if it's Hillary it's sexism. If it's Lieberman it's anti-Semitism, if it's Edwards it's anti-southerner short guys (or rich-ism), whatever.
It's an easy way for someone to say "I believe my candidate is perfect and any criticism has to be from a fault in the other person".
June 4, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome to politics -- this is not a sociology or women studies blog.
June 4, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
You forgot to add that you're also part of the stupid demographic.
June 4, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any campaign will have its supporters who are just jerks. Blaming it on the candidate (and voting accordingly) is asinine. I'm sure you'd say the same thing to someone who quoted some of the hateful shit Clinton supporters were throwing at Obama.
June 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hence the stupid demographic.
June 4, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clear your cards, folks! We have a BINGO!
Folks, politics is a curious mixture of reason, emotion and passion. Hopefully, for all of us, reason is Stage One. But, if you love politics (and if we didn't love it, we would not be here), then once reason targets a candidate, then emotion and passion ensue.
Sure, both camps have derided the opposing candidates on occasion, but the derision was born of passion. Few conversations about politics --- even among the most intelligent --- can avoid devolution into emotion. It is the nature of the beast.
There are other dynamics at work, as well. We are all more likely to excuse the "sins" of our candidate once the emotion has set in. Hillary supporters dismissed Tuzla. Obama supporters more easily dismissed Wright-gate.
The only way the confrontations we've had on this site could have been prevented would have been to segregate the supporters. Who wants that? The free exchange of ideas --- and, yes, emotion and passion --- are what this country is about.
And a helluva lot more fun!
Let's ALL face it: The arguing is a large part of what we love.
June 4, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
The best summation I've seen by far! :)
June 5, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton continues to control the narrative.
After Friday all you hating, tongue-clucking elitists can have a 5 month circle jerk.
And then watch McCain's inauguration.
June 4, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great, I love circle jerks.
June 4, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am sure you have wet dreams about a McCain inauguration.
June 4, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, good it's been a while since I hadda good circle jerk!
Tongue-clucking? What is this? Nebraska c. 1840?
McThuseleh's speech was a predictor as to where his campaign is headed: for a nap. Bob Barr will be like black flies in May, draining away the blood before McPastIt even realizes it. Black flies are sinister things.
June 4, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever makes you feel better about losing, loser.
Did you see the banner speech by your man McCain last night? (Don't feel bad if you didn't, because no one watches his speeches.) He looked like a reanimated corpse. A poorly reanimated corpse, I should say.
That's quite a bizarre grin he has. I hope he doesn't do that while kissing babies. Scare the bajeezus out of them.
June 4, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Into the hamper with you filthy sockpuppet.
June 5, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Clinton continues to control the narrative."
She's dropping out, you toothless rube.
"After Friday all you hating, tongue-clucking elitists can have a 5 month circle jerk."
Since you seem to be an authority on the topic, enlighten us, how does it feel to be in the middle of a circle jerk? Better yet, forget that I asked.
"And then watch McCain's inauguration."
After last nights speech where he came off like the cryptkeeper, even a drooling asshat like you doesn't believe that. lol
June 4, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG..my sides hurt....I can't stop laughing.
June 5, 2008 12:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
BWAAHahahahahahahah
Impotence personified.
You just fogged yourself.
Please come back every day so we can chortle at your tiny, tiny figure, making a tiny, tiny squeak.
June 4, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oilhead...spark up a fatty!
June 5, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fogu, you seem to overlook the fact that John Kerry nearly won the last election against an incumbent, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS OUTSPENT 2-1!
In this election, McLame is going to be lucky if he isn't outspent 3-1... and he simply isn't as good a candidate as George W. Bush is, believe it or not.
McCain is going to face active grassroots efforts in all fifty states, and, unlike Bush, he doesn't do anything to mobilize the Christian conservatives. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama does a better job reaching out to them this time around.
You might as well spot Obama 5 points in every state, because that's pretty much what it will mean as far as the final outcome is concerned.
It would be very wishful thinking for McCain to win over twenty percent of Hillary's core supporters -- about 3 million voters -- but the thing is, Obama will win over the rest, which, by itself, is more voters than supported McCain in the primaries.
So, by my count, that's about 18 million very enthusiastic Obama supporters and about 14.5 million fairly happy former Clinton supporters vs. about 10M McSame supporters and perhaps 3 million Hillary Republicrats.
This is a race we can win easily at the grassroots level, with or without your support. We will ask nicely and make reasonable arguments, as will Senator Clinton... but if you *heart* McCain, and don't mind voting for longterm occupation of foriegn countries or voting against Roe v. Wade, then that's your choice.
At least your words will serve as a good lesson for others as to what constitutes "going off the deep-end", because there are a *LOT* of Clinton supporters out there who have real issues with voting for McCain.
They *NEED* affordable healthcare, affordable education, and a fully-funded social security system again, so that they don't have to worry about their retirements anymore. They also want their taxes to be fair again, so that the middle class will start getting some rewards for their hard work, rather than seeing their taxes go to fund deadly occupations and tax cuts for the rich.
So yes, please do raise a stink, because, by running away from reason, you're doing a far better job than I could possibly do to convince Clinton supporters not to vote for McCain.
June 4, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sumpin tells me that if Clinton was controlling the narrative at this point, the narrative wouldn't be so overwhelmingly negative.
June 4, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure it would, it would just be negative towards the secret muslims.
June 4, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh so juicy (slurp):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/my-blog-advocating-an-oba_b_105317.html
I've been saying for ages that her supporters would come around, but I didn't know how far they could be pushed before they did. Apparently a lot of them needed to be tossed awfully near the bus before they'd finally let go of her. The rest will constitute a small frothing-at-the-mouth group of shouters outside the convention.
June 4, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you read that story about Bill and Clyburn? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/04/wsj-clinton-used-expletiv_n_105161.html
Wish these things made it onto the page once in awhile here - Clyburn is the one who talked and it's in the WSJ. Bill really got ugly with him, apparently.
Bill needs to just stop and go sit down somewhere for awhile.
Somewhere far away from Hillary.
June 4, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Senior adviser to Mrs. Clinton". Yup - I believe this one.
June 4, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Congratulations.
June 4, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dijamo, you look like a pleasant lady. You've put up a good fight here, with some impassioned arguments. You clearly are a big Hillary Clinton supporter.
Dijamo, please listen to me. (Hold on! Don't get mad yet!!!) Hold that emotion back for a moment. Instead, just listen to me, and really internalize what I'm saying:
"Hillary Clinton has lost. She will not the be Democratic nominee, and she won't be the President."
Just think about that statement for a moment. Let it settle. Okay, now chew me out.
June 4, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's not necessary.
June 4, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not necessary at all. An alternate perspective of Hillary's nonconcession speech:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/06/hillarys-nonconcession-speech.php
June 4, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
""Senior adviser to Mrs. Clinton" Yup - I believe this one."
(exhibiting my best Umpire voice) Shhheee's Ouutta There!! You better believe it.
June 4, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
A regular Michael Corleone
First he wacked JoeMentum on the Senate Floor
Then he hit Hillary TWICE....killed her presidential and VICE presidential campaigns
All in a day's work
Man's cold
June 4, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's Jenn's dream - the United States of SHAFT!
LOL!
I cannot get enough of that Lieberman story. How many times have I wanted desperately to see someone do that to Droopy and by god, it was Barack! I just love my life. I love being a Democrat and an American!
June 4, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Background music:
Who's the cat that won't cop out
When there's danger all about?
Shaft!
He's a baaaad mothertrucker!
"Sen. Lieberman? Can we talk privately for a moment?"
June 4, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stone cold m'fer ...
It's the 'nice', smiling ones that kill you softly.
The name is Obama, Barack Obama - Daniel Craig better watch his job.
June 5, 2008 4:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
time for what?! time for the "whitey" tape to materialize?? time for a scandal to break?!
June 4, 2008 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I saw this headline, I figured that most of the people here would use the news not as a reason to celebrate, but as an excuse to take yet another cheap shot. I came to the thread hoping to be proven wrong, but it didn't happen.
You've gotten what you all wanted, and now you have to be bitter because it didn't happen soon enough to suit you. I'm heartened that Senator Obama is a much bigger man than many of his supporters, but I'm still a bit disgusted by the behavior of many of the commenters here.
I suppose on Friday all of you who have been claiming that Senator Clinton was determined to take the fight to the convention and divide and destroy the partner will be rushing to correct yourselves, right? Yeah, I won't hold my breath, either.
Anyone who's paid attention to politics for more than a few years knows how the game is played. You fight your hardest and then you give in. That's what Senator Clinton is doing, and I applaud her.
June 4, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLMAO!
You came here on purpose to get outraged.
LOL!
June 4, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, I came here hoping that, for once, there would be mature discourse rather than name calling. I'm not outraged, I'm just saddened.
And I'm saddened that you think the problem is my hopes for politeness rather than your relentless name calling.
June 4, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shall I play you a sad sad song?
Pbththththtthpppp! That's what I think of people who come drooping around someone else's party looking to start a fight.
June 4, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
How was I looking for a fight?
And how is this your party?
What Senator Obama's supporters need to realize is that while almost all of Senator Clinton's supporters will vote for him in November, many of them will be so turned off by his supporters that they won't campaign or donate money. He's justifiably built a solid reputation for reaching across the aisle, but that reputation is endangered when his supporters stick out their tongues at people in their own party.
June 4, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not so quick there anapestic.
Don't cleanse the ways of HRC and her campaign by alleging that it is now the Obama supporters that drove the wedge between the camps. Examples abound to prove this point.
Most recently, simply take the time to look at last nights speeches by HRC and Obama and check out the undeniable messages that each sent to their campaigns, supporters, the Party and Country. It is all their in full splendor. Magnanimity and Megolomania (you know who was who), one unites while the other drives a wedge by galvanizing their base in petty ressentiments.
Sure, we can be crass here and darn right rude. As someone wrote "A lot of us were just plain tired of the Clintons: Their baggage, their smug paternalism, their sense of entitlement, their attitude that the rules don’t apply to them, and all the rest."
June 4, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Someone else's party"? Clinton's supporters may be looking for a way to reconcile, here--but I suppose you'd just turn them away at the door?
YOU'RE NOT HELPING.
June 4, 2008 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
HusseinTenaX said, "Pbththththtthpppp!" Yeah, she actually said that. Either that, or she's got another hairball caught in her throat.
June 5, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, you really shouldn't go to blogs for mature discourse. It's hard to come by on the web, whether the subject is politics or baseball.
June 4, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anapestic,
Bullshit; you came in here talking down to all of us, and to give us a lecture on how we should be rushing to kiss the asses of some whiners on the losing side.
They are welcome to join the campaign to defeat the Republicans. They are not entitled to have their asses kissed just because their candidate lost. Grow up.
June 4, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you don't understand the difference between "rushing to kiss the asses of some whiners on the losing side" and "not taking cheap shots," then we probably can't have a meaningful discussion.
June 4, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo.
June 4, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton invited a lot more anger onto herself by giving the wrong speech last night. I know you don't feel that way, but maybe your view a bit clouded on the issue.
She made a bad call last night, and invited even more frustration to bubble out.
June 4, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I gave up on Senator Clinton's candidacy over a month ago. I take a long view at the process. The speech she gave was something she had to say to her long-term supporters. I would have preferred that she concede last night, but I see why she wanted to wait a few days. What I don't see is how waiting three days invites more anger. Five months isn't long enough to win the general election.
Perhaps my view is clouded on the subject. My problem is that none of you seem to acknowledge that your own views might be clouded or that you might be overly sensitive to every word that she utters.
June 4, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that's fair. I'm definitely biased towards Obama.
But just read the reviews on her speech from last night. I don't think I'm the only one who found it remarkably tone deaf. I don't think it was just media bias either.
To be announced as "the next president of the united states", barely acknowledge Obama, and then speak at length about how you're a better candidate. Just tone deaf.
We've been asked to give a lot of consideration and respect to Clinton and her campaign, no matter how negative it got. How about a little consideration this way? Is it in her?
June 4, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
"How about a little consideration this way? Is it in her?"
Consideration for Obama and what he's acheived, I mean. Not consideration for his supporters.
June 4, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I reckon we'll find out on Friday. Ultimately, I think that she's too smart not to realize that she has to do everything that she can to get Senator Obama elected. And I think that she realizes what a disaster a President McCain would be. The fact that she thought she would make the best President is not a reason to condemn her. I just think it might be better not to assume that she won't do what's best for the party and the country when she's had a chance to breathe.
June 4, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, but the fact that she used just about every Republican talking point in her attacks against a member of her own party has left a few very sore spots. Just as she needs time to collect herself and do the right thing for the party, many Obama supporters need time breathe a sigh of relief that a majority of the voters were not swayed by her nasty attacks. (Attacks she made while having a "chance to breathe" by the way.)
Eventually, we will all come to grip with the fact that she now has a very important role to play in winning the Whitehouse in November.
June 4, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her speech upset me last night because the night wasn't about Hillary. She wanted it to be and she made sure it was, but it should have been Obama's night. He clinched victory and Hillary couldn't even bring herself to congratulate him for that. She praised his "accomplishments" in the campaign, her pride or ego or whatever couldn't bring her to congratulate him on winning and, instead, she tried to diminish his victory by claiming the popular vote. That's just wrong. And, it seems, it was the tipping point for a lot of her biggest supporters.
It was an historic night for this country and it pissed me off that Hillary couldn't recognize that.
June 4, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see where you're coming from, but surely you must recognize that the period from about eighteen months ago through this coming November and next January will be nothing if not filled with historic moments. I doubt anyone is hurt very much by having to share one of them. I think that if you look at all the media coverage, you'll see that most of the headlines were about him having sewn up the nomination. She will have plenty of opportunities to make glowing speeches about Senator Obama. If she doesn't, for example, give a speech that's full of praise for Obama and scorn for McCain at the convention, then I'll be very disappointed in her. I'm not going to criticize her for running a tenacious campaign, though.
June 4, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her tenacious campaign is a different discussion. I don't fault her for running hard, but I do think she crossed the line a few times and we already know that the GOP will be more than happy to remind us of those instances.
But back to the speech, of course there have been and will be many historic moments. And it's not about "sharing" the moment, it was Hillary trying to diminish it, which I feel she did by having Terry introduce her as "the next President of the US," by claiming the popular vote victory and by not acknowledging Obama's victory.
June 4, 2008 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Here we have, HRC, a candidate that is running for POTUS, is being self-serving, ungracious; petty, narrow-minded, all the while operating in a context devoid of a greater sense of history. Last night as we have throughout this campaign is seen the difference between a statesman and simply a politician, fighting for the nomination.
June 4, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a reply (not replay) to anapestic whine about being overwhelmed by negative threads.
That's what we do here. We expect to live up to your expectations. We are "Cheap shots "R" us".
Keep moving right along, other threads, other blogs.
I just heard that a handicapped woman I used to take care of died late last night. One of the things we had in common was our politics. Our mutal friend who told me about her death was the first to send me that stupid obama is a secret muslim email months ago. I was sad to hear about our friend but I was so glad that she knew about Obama before she died. I made of point of telling our mutal friend about that and she muttered something I wouldn't ask her to repeat.
This Obamas for you Harriet, RIP.
June 5, 2008 12:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
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June 4, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oo, I like this new picture.
June 4, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
[blushing]
however, it's not so new. ;-)
June 4, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey now. Otto seems to be coming around.
June 4, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
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there goes Nobama.
June 4, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink