Today's Primaries Could Change State Of The Race
Today is the big day in Indiana and North Carolina, with primaries set to determine whether Barack Obama can end the nomination fight or if Hillary Clinton will be able to sow enough doubts to keep the clock running.
One likely scenario, as we pointed out yesterday, is that Obama could win North Carolina and Clinton take Indiana by similar margins -- by itself a near-wash, but in effect a victory for Obama.
The first polls close tonight in Indiana at 6 p.m. ET, with the the last polls there closing at 7 p.m. ET. Polls close in all of North Carolina at 7:30 p.m. ET.
Late Update: The candidates' schedules are a good indication of where they feel the most confident -- Obama will be in Raleigh for his election night rally, while Clinton will spend the night in Indianapolis.
By "Change" iam assuming you mean Hillary dropping out. Since thats the only thing that could change.
May 6, 2008 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why should Hillery drop out? She's way ahead in super delegates. She made up ground over the last month in popular vote and pledged delegates. She's going to win really big in IN, at least 10% and maybe 15%. She's going to win in NC, given the fabulous work WVWV has done "registering" black NC men.
Obama has got to close the deal and he can't. Mostly that's because he can't bowl, likes OJ, hates flag lapel pins, and is a multi-millionaire graduate of an elite Ivy league law school.
Hillery, on the other hand, is a downhome country gal who bowls all the time, like whiskey, wears a lapel pin the shower, and is a multi-millionaire graduate of an elite Ivy league law school.
She's everything Obama is not. She's exactly what America needs right now. For the last 8 years, Bush and his gang have made every decision based on the careful analysis of elite academics and sage experts. And look where that got us. Hillery is going to put an end to that; who care what economists say? When's the last time they answered the phone at 3:00 AM?
May 6, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOLOLOLOL!
May 6, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
BREAKING: BALLOT FRAUD IN NC !!
Obama voters were unable to locate levers for "HOPE" or "CHANGE" in the ballot booths today and cried "FRAUD"! Michelle was seen pouting.
VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE
NOT YOUR WHITE GUILTY CONSCIENCE
May 6, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
May 6, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
She has an American flag tattoo where her lapel would be.
May 6, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing changes. It goes to June and then Hillary drops out.
May 6, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unless she loses in both states. Then she concedes tomorrow.
May 6, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
If she loses both, I bet she'll have to be forced to concede, probably by a flood of SDs going to Obama.
May 6, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Even then I doubt she would concede. If Obama got the 2025 delegates needed she would probably start shrieking like harpy about Florida and Michigan.
May 6, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Start?
She's already on that wagon with the "nuclear option" that will come down May 31. I expect it will get eiterh squashed or made irrelevent by the Super deluge for Obama. He will end up with a 200 delegaet lead so any solution including MI/FL will not change the result even if all of her delegates are seated as is.
May 6, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Queen of the Clintoids will not drop out.
Her campaign filed for rules changes for the Florida and Michigan delagates. The rules won't be set until the first day of the convention.
Clinton will kill the Party before she quits.
May 6, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's more than an effectual victory, Eric, but that's ok.
It's an actual victory if he doesn't lose - so staying where he is or gaining is going to be a real victory - not just something that has that effect.
;)
May 6, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was almost done with a long, densely analytic post carefully examining the statistical tea-leaves for clues to today's voting when my browser crashed. I'm not going to go back and re-write the thing, but I though I'd offer my conclusions for whatever they're worth.
I think there's very good reason to believe, based upon the incredibly detailed data offered by North Carolina on its early voting, that turnout in NC is going to exceed expectations, as will Obama's margin there. The key is his extremely strong performance among early voters. Alas, this will be interpreted as evidence that he's struggled over the past week, leading to a drop-off in support by election day. In fact, it's an artifact of his better ground operation and more enthusiastic supporters - the same reasons that he always does better in the earlier rounds of exit-polling than in the later ones.
In Indiana, the situation is reversed. Clinton is almost certain to win that state, and by a decent margin. But her lead seems to have been eroding in recent days, and even with the usual rustbelt late-break in her favor, I'd be astonished if she won Indiana by as much as Obama wins North Carolina.
May 6, 2008 9:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
This shows just how much Hillary is driving the narrative at this point. By any measure, North Carolina is a much bigger prize. It has more delegates and it's trending Democratic. It is a state that could be won by a Democratic nominee in the not-to-distant future. Indiana - where I live - is always the first state to be declared for the Republican nominee. It has NO chance of going Democratic for at least another generation. We have fewer delegates to boot. It's only important because Hillary needs it to be important and the MSM loves a close race.
May 6, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Precisely. Obama could put North Carolina in play. Neither Democrat is going to win in Indiana in the general.
May 6, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I this case, Eric - the effect is the same thing as the thing itself.
See what I mean?
May 6, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever. The truth is Hillary, to win, has to win EVERY state left with about 70% of the vote, that won't happen, it is already over.
May 6, 2008 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
As Keith Olbermann snarked last night, "she will need an 'easily obtainable' 85% of the remaining delegates to overtake Obama". ;)
May 6, 2008 9:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I love Keith.
I don't know one liberal woman who doesn't have a major crush on him.
May 6, 2008 9:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have a "six degrees of separation" kind of thing with Keith - I have a brother who's a sportcaster and he knows Keith (not well, but has worked with him). I keep telling him that before I die I have to meet him, and my brother promised. Hey, maybe I'll ask for that for my 50th birthday (which is next year - ahhhh!) You think my wonderful hubby will mind ;)
May 6, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
If your husband pitches a fit, I'll go and then I'll tell you about it.
How's that?
LOL!!!!
May 6, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's a deal LOL! Hubby knows all about my Keith crush, though, and he's OK with it! ;)
May 6, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here is the sign of how Obama's Presidency will work.
......
Via Ben Smith
http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKL0444578520080504
That's how you lead the world, not by "obliterating" it.
May 6, 2008 9:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup!
May 6, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Kewl.
Africa is one huge explosion waiting to happen - the exploitation has just gone insane there and we need someone to start addressing some of this. This is one of the world's major continents and we all have a stake in it - a great deal of the world's most valuable resources are there in addition to a whole bunch of people. And the news out of Africa gets worse every week.
This is one of the most hopeful signs ever - that we could have a president who cares about Africa and tries to make a difference along with the rest of the world's nations and has a chance to make a difference there.
We spend so much time on the middle east - Africa is enormous and there are enormous problems that we are all involved in.
May 6, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
And He did that in Kenya too about a few weeks back by asking the warring factions to dial it down (I think on Condi's request !!!). Now, things seem to have calmed down there.
Coincidence ? mebbe. But one thing is sure. Hillary/McCain would have been given the fingers there.
May 6, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
"And that, folks, is how to lower gas prices."
A Ben Smith blogger
May 6, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice one! And this is probably how a Clinton presidency look like...
Isfahan,Iran (BBC): Emergency services face a daunting task of looking for survivors among the burning debris and firestorm after an American ICBM hit this town an hour ago.Early estimates indicate a cataclysmic loss of life running into hundreds of thousands.Meanwhile, aboard airforce one,the US president has confirmed having issued the order to "obliterate Iran"....
May 6, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indiana could decide everything, and is still shifting strongly towards Obama as we speak thanks to a strong Obama finish.
That said, don't just punditize... make calls to Indiana and North Carolina today, people!
Contact your friends there and get them out to vote, because an Obama victory in Indiana will effectively end this race and send the superdelegates strongly in his direction, possibly putting him over the top in delegates before the next several states.
May 6, 2008 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
From One Indian to All Indianians
Yes, You Can.
(Sorry Mark, can't make those calls, this is the best I could do from 5000 miles away)
May 6, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or u could just try SMOKE signals...
May 6, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
very clear: http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/delegatecalculator/index.html
May 6, 2008 9:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow - that is a great calculator. What a wonderful visual aid for people who have trouble understanding just how hopeless her remaining in this race is. Can we e-mail all the supers with this link LOL? ;)
May 6, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure anything will "change".
It could, sure. It's possible, as many things in life are possible. But at this point we have a pretty strong history of evidence to apply to the situation.
Obama will win NC.
Hillary will win IN. (Even if they "tie", it doesn't matter to her. She's not dropping out.)
We are where we began, Hillary with no real gain, but plenty to bark about (momentum, working class Indiana, yada yada) and on we go. She's dying to get to WV and Kentucky. It doesn't matter that the mean little in delegates, she's gonna use those as bellwethers and at least half of the media will go along for the ride.
Nothing changes today, folks. I wish it would, but it won't. The candidates have their base and so these past several elections have actually become pretty predictable.
Of course, the SD's could grow a pair and make a move, but that too seems a hope for another day.
May 6, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Drudge is reporting that the Clinton campaign is bracing itself, as they are expecting a 15+ point blowout win for Obama in NC. They however are expecting to win Indiana.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashnc.htm
May 6, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well if Drudge says so - it must be true.
[gag]
May 6, 2008 9:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd trust Drudge over public comments made by the Clinton campaign any day of the week.
May 6, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
WIth Hillary leaking to Drudge though, this could be another round of the expectations game. Brace for 15, celebrate 10.
May 6, 2008 9:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is like saying you'd rather cuddle with a rattle snake than a cobra.
May 6, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
In this case I agree because it is self-evident.
But watch that - Drudge gets his shit from leaks and the campaign can say anything and he'll post it whole.
So not trusting the Clinton campaign but trusting Drudge is kind of self-defeating here since you don't know where Drudge is coming up with his flashing headline.
May 6, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
She has never really exceeded 44% in any polls in NC, and usually comes in much lower. I would not be surprised by 56/44 Obama in NC. Edwards might pick up a few diehards.
May 6, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Assuming Hillary gets Indiana and Barack gets North Carolina, the Hillary campaign will tout Indiana as the be all/end all of general election bellwether states and North Carolina as simply a state that the demographics were always favorable to Barack therefore it shows nothing (i.e. NC will be insignificant). In other words, nothing changes.
If Barack wins both, then Indiana will have some flaw (too many Starbucks? not enough "real" Democrats? something else?) that will also consign it to insignificance. Nothing changes.
If Hillary wins both, we won't hear the end of it for weeks, but it will not change the delegate math one iota. Again, nothing changes.
May 6, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I'm so ready to be done with this and all the endless polling that accompanies it. I'm with you all the way, nothing changes. The only thing that could change is Hillary dropping out, and there's no way that's happening. Why would she? She still thinks she can win. And why wouldn't she? Who's telling her otherwise. Certainly not the media. Not Bill. And if someone does (Richardson), well, we've seen how that goes.
May 6, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
To paraphrase the Edwards post from last night:
Whatever her flaws, and whatever you think of her sincerity and/or motives, she forced a focus on certain issues that has basically vanished with her departure. Such as obliterating Iran, whining about voting systems, and blatant pandering to the blue collar crowd.
May 6, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
And boilermakers - let's never forget the boilermakers.
If that wasn't one of the stupidest stupid politician tricks I've ever seen...
May 6, 2008 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
OMG she drinks! Me too!!!
May 6, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not a wash, Eric. The results may be similar win percentages - but NC is a substantially bigger state than IN, so Obama should come out ahead in delegates AND popular vote tonight.
May 6, 2008 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. We're the 10th largest state, which by one Hillary yardstick makes us important (you know, the "I can win large states" rule) but by another (the "They always vote Republican in the general election" rule") we're unimportant.
I guess after Obama wins here today, we'll have a 2/1 insignificant/significant ratio. (The "black people vote for Obama" rule will come into play).
May 6, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I live in Indiana - and we always vote Republican in the general and we aren't as big as NC - so I guess we are even LESS important than NC. ;-)
May 6, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Kind of like Texas up until this primary.
;)
May 6, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Indiana is the 15th largest, so it's not small potatoes.
May 6, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah ... but the difference between Virginia (12th largest) and Washington (13th), is about 1.3 million people. The difference between 13th and 21st (Minnesota) is 1.3 million. So we're just at the front end of a large pack of states with ten-ish electoral votes.
May 6, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the update on their locations tonight. Not too unexpected but I was almost hoping hillary would be in Charleston, WV for the NEXT BIG GAME CHANGING DO OR DIE primary there next week.
Thansk also for positng the closing times for polls. Based on evrything we're seeing thsi morning, I expect an early call of the North Caolina race soon after 7:30 Eastern, while the Indidan race may drag out since it will be a) close, and b) later counting the the large numbers from the NW where the polls close later.
Momentum for the night should be Obama's. Maybe that is more wishful thinking though.
May 6, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
wasn't clinton just playing up expectations in both states? wouldn't that be a sign she might drop out when it doesn't go her way?
May 6, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I feel like if she's going to stay in the race when she's 150 delegates behind, she'll stay in when she's like 170 behind. At least until the superdelegates jump in.
May 6, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary got slammed pretty hard on the Daily Show on her small town pandering. Especially her newfound country accent ("What is she, Madonna?") and her tendency to deliver speeches from the back of pickup trucks.
May 6, 2008 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, I blogged about it this morning:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/the-daily-show-panderers-box.php
I was absolutely ROFLMAO. Keith had a great segment on too if you didn't catch it - nobody does snark better than he does!
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/keith-olbermann-nobody-does-it.php
May 6, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
And the Daily Show did the ultimate -- had her morph into George W. Bush.
Neither hold much truck with elitist "experts."
May 6, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
That was truly awesome, that was.
May 6, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
But of course the MSM will spin a wash as some giant referendum on Obama, and we'll have to hear about Obama's nonexistent "white problem" and blah blah blah, and no mention of the fact that Hillary will have to win something like 80% of the remaining votes to win.
I can't stand the post-results spin from the idiot talking heads..
May 6, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Many colleges in Indiana and North Carolina are having final exams
today, could hurt Obama turnout:
Barack Obama's campaign has gotten a boost all year by a big youth vote, but in Tuesday's balloting, that powerful force confronts a new challenge: final exams."
Toast.
May 6, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Final exams... you normal have them over the entire week, around 1-2 per day. That leaves plenty of time to vote. I have 3 exams today but thats why i voted early in NC.
May 6, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, did you ever hear of early voting?
God you are so fookin pathetic.
I recall during our primary, one of my friends, who is only 20, had a final. Guess what? She took it, then she drove home to Rockwall from Denton and voted!
Wow!
May 6, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
For about the millionth time, either provide a link to your crap or don't post. Jesus, why do you have to keep getting reminded of this?
I doubt it - I'm sure students can find some time during their day to vote - they have all day and students don't have exams back to back for 12 hours. Really, get a grip.
May 6, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think he knows how to post links to anything other than taylor marsh or Hillary's website.
It is really not that hard gottalife. Here is a link you should click on. It'll tell you all you, gotalife, need to know.
http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/
May 6, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
If only it did post links.
Instead we get unattributed quotations.
May 6, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
If anything, that means you probably have more free time than normal because after you finish your two hour exam or whatever, you're done for the day.
May 6, 2008 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Guys, gotalife is a Hillary supporter so obviously he didn't go to college. All he knows about it he picked up from Animal House and Revenge of the Nerds. He thinks Final Exams take all day to complete.
May 6, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
They'll be too busy hatching a hilarious prank on the Dean to vote for Obama.
May 6, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think he is actually just a dittohead involved with "Operation Chaos."
May 6, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, clearly. But it's more fun to think of him as a real Clinton supporter.
"I dunno guys. All those college kids are probably too busy going on panty raids to vote...could hurt Obama's turnout."
May 6, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
That and he's an insufferable twit. :)
May 6, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for the reminder!
May 6, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
a whining, insufferable twit.
May 6, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Along with toast - eggs or even a healthy cereal will indeed give those students the energy they need to power through those exams and the already record-smashing primary turnout lines we're experiencing here in NC.
Our nation salutes your steadfast dedication to the dietary requirements of our youth, Goatlife :)
May 6, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Me, I'll eat anything.
Meheheheh.
May 6, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
In fairness, yesterday afternoon he posted it could be a "wash", whereas now it is a "near-wash", which is "in effect" a victory for Obama...
I would argue that a split for Obama today is more than a victory "in effect". He will likely increase his pledged delegate lead, and there aren't enough left for HRC to catch him. After today there will be more Supers up for grabs than pledged delegates. HRC's Superdelegate lead is down to about 15 today, and a split today will probably bring out another +1 or 2 Superdels for Obama.
Tomorrow morning this is going to look alot closer to being over.
May 6, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well I agree and said so, inasmuch as the effect is the thing - no?
If it is a "victory in effect," then the effect of the vote is that he wins, so how is this not just a victory?
There's no such thing as a "victory in effect," that's just a victory.
words matter, eric.
May 6, 2008 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
You did, I am just operating at the speed of cold molasses this morning.
May 6, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm just agreeing with you, love.
We reinforced each other's posts. ;)
May 6, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Meant as a reply to das2003, above. Stupid %&^*%*& "in reply to" button....
And, gotalife, give me a break! Final exams??!! That is funny stuff, pal. But you forgot to mention the obvious corrolary: all of Hillary's white working class supporter have to WORK! Between working and taking exams, turnout could be at a record low today in IN!
May 6, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll repeat my predictions from last week:
1. Obama wins NC by 15 pts
2. Clinton wins IN by 3 pts
3. Eric posts about how Clinton's 3 pt Indiana win is decisive, but Obama's 15 pt NC win is really a loss because he needed a bigger landslide.
May 6, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's leaked memo predicts wins in both NC and IN. I'm hitching my wagon to that - it's been the most accurate forecaster yet.
May 6, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've come to expect annoyingly inconclusive results like this, yeah. I do feel like she'll narrowly eke out a win in Indiana.
May 6, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you're right, this will be a very good day for Sen. Obama, no matter how the media tries to spin it.
May 6, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
here is my predictions for North Carolina & Indiana.....
Obama will win North Carolina by 17 points
Clinton will win Indiana by 10 points.
Race will Continue......
May 6, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm shocked you're predicting a blowout in NC.
May 6, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clintons wins Indiana by 10 and NC by 2.
These polls do not include the rural voters in NC and they all go to Clinton.
May 6, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
All?
And why is that, gotnolife?
May 6, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
The secret weapon, President Bill Clinton.
Making 6 to 9 stops day will pay off for the Clintons.
May 6, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
You mean Clinton wins Indiana by 30 and NC by 30...
May 6, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
You mean Clinton wins Indiana by 30 and NC by 30...
May 6, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
I only hit "send" once, I swear...
May 6, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Winning IN and NC by 30 twice is probably the only chance she's got at this point to catch up in delegates, anyhow.
May 6, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
What on earth are you talking about? Rural blacks go to Clinton? Rural whites aren't included in the polling? Fortunately, PPP breaks down its results by area code - go have a gander. And the NC Secretary of State releases the demographic information on every last early voter, giving us an early impression of where turnout will be strong.
Hillary's going to lose NC by double digits, which is more than her margin in Pennsylvania. She's very likely to win Indiana, but I'd be very surprised if her margin is as large as ten points.
The world isn't conspiring against your candidate - just the electorate.
May 6, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
The only doubts Clinton is sowing are about her sanity.
May 6, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
I gave up my doubts on that score after she said she was dismantling OPEC.
I know she's insane.
May 6, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's insane about it? She will say absolutely anything if it gets her more votes. Same old same old.
May 6, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama is wrong about the gas tax
Think Clinton's plan to suspend the gas tax temporarily is a bad idea? A similar measure in Illinois -- which Obama backed -- seems to have helped consumers."
She clobbered him on the gas tax and Iran. Wright will be in play too.
Big day for Clinton.
May 6, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
It actually didn't help drivers in IL at all. But it does look all nice and offical when you put it in quotes.
May 6, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm about ready to see you banned.
How many times has the gas tax situation been explained to you?
How many times? You willfully ignore everything and keep posting nonsense and that defines you as a troll and you are almost a spammer at this point because all you do is spit non-sequiturs over and over and over.
May 6, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tena: He just makes me laugh. The chicken on his head is comical. He says it is on Obama's head, but I suspect this is his true persona. :)
May 6, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't get mad Tena, it is all a part of Operation
Chaos.
May 6, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not mad - I'm forceful because I'm bored with this spammer - it's not even good bullshit.
May 6, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
An insufferable twit says what?
May 6, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Insufferable is sure the right word.
May 6, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I found a source for this quote. Salon's Joan Walsh:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/05/06/gas_tax/
Other readers shouldn't have to do your sourcing for you, gotalife. It's only common courtesy.
May 6, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops, sorry - it's from Salon, but the author is George Frost, not Joan Walsh.
May 6, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am going to predict a strong win in NC and a squeaker in IN with Obama winning the state. And if I'm right, I want Hillary to go home, whereever that is, since she grew up in so many states during her campaign she might be a little confused on that one.
And at this point, I expect the SD's to stop her pathetic attempts to discredit Obama and bring down the party, and come out full force for him. Time to unite.
May 6, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
All this talk about which state is Hillary's true state is silly. They all are. You see what people don't understand is that each state Hillary has claimed as home is, indeed, home.
How can that be? Well in each of the states in question Hillary created a Horcecrux. It is a nifty trick she learned from her BFF Tom Riddle. By creating horcecruxes in different states she hopes to stave off political death.
So far it has worked well.
May 6, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
"InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion Survey in North Carolina: Obama 48%; Clinton 45%; --Tied Within Margin of Error"
They polled the rural voters.
May 6, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you implying "rural" voters don't have the good sense to vote Obama, I doubt Bill can save the day. By the way, I think your chicken just left droppings on your face.
May 6, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Those are just his brains leaking.
Why do you think the chicken is up there?
May 6, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Go poll yourself.
Meheheheh.
May 6, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing will change after tonight.
Obama will still have an insurmountable lead in pledged delegates.
Clinton will still spout nonsense about elite economists, worthless gas taxes, and busting up OPEC, until the next politically convenient pander comes up.
May 6, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think that what will change is that unless Clinton pulls off the mother of all upsets, the fiction that she actually has a chance will finally fall apart. When that happens the trickle of SD endorsements will turn into a flood. It could be over by the weekend.
May 6, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Over as in Obama has the 2025 (?) delegates needed, yes. Over as in Hillary drops out, probably not.
As I've posted upthread, Hillary is freakin' Voldemort.
May 6, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I want to believe that. I was seeing that myself and I hope that is what happens. It makes more sense than anything else has - which means it probably won't happen.
But god I hope it does!
May 6, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Hillary will fold-up camp after today: she's way beyond rationale thinking. But I do think after a strong showing in NC (and I'm going to predict a win in IN), the SDs will start to say enough is enough. They just need an opening to come out for Obama and a strong win is just that.
May 6, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
West Virginia and Kentucky are big coal producing states. Her next round of panders will be about the wonders of "Clean Coal" and she is very likely to morph Green Energy into Coal Energy.
May 6, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
And I bet we'll hear a John Edwards redux of "mah daddy worked in the coal mines" riff LOL!!!!!
May 6, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Reality Check:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/bill-clinton-on.html
Bill Clinton on Gas Taxes: He Raised 'Em in '93, then Opposed a "Vacation" in 2000
May 05, 2008 1:09 PM
In 1993, newly-elected President Bill Clinton raised gas taxes 4.3 cents a gallon.
Bob Dole tried to get that repealed, to no avail, in 1996.
Said then-White House chief of staff Leon Panetta then: "In an election year, it is hard to separate speeches from serious proposals."
In 2000, Clinton was asked at a press conference "in light of the fact that OPEC has decided to increase production, do you see it as a mistake for the Senate to proceed with a bill that would suspend the gas tax? And if it reached your desk, would you veto it?"
His answer -- no. he wasn't sure the savings would be passed on to consumers. (And this is without a windfall profits tax on oil companies, as Sen. Clinton has proposed. Economists forecast that oil companies would pass on a new tax on oil companies to the consumer.)
"I don't expect it to reach my desk because there seems to be bipartisan opposition to it in the House, including among the leadership," he said. "But the problem I have with it, apart from what it might do to the Highway Trust Fund and the spending obligations that have already been incurred by the acts of Congress, the budgets, is that I'm not sure that the savings would be passed along to the consumers in addition to that. So I think there are a lot of questions about it."
May 6, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
It's uncanny the extent to which she has campaigned in opposition to her husband's entire political oeuvre - she's campaigned against most of his policies, not just a few of the things he got accomplished and thus, against his legacy.
It's been such a bizarro world episode! In fact, the Campaign for the Restoration is probably the ultimate - surpassing the Bush Administration - in Orwellian think-speak. I hope now the whole country will get this. This inside-out view of everything - it's particularly Republican, and it is this that casts her entire campaign as Republican more than anything else.
May 6, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know what you mean but the answer is simple:
Bill ran as a moderate Democrat and Hillary is running as a full on Republican.
May 6, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Liam: I also read that Clinton's raising the gas "nickel" as they called it, hurt a lot of Congress members in their next election, not that the Clinton's gave a damn.
May 6, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
And, I might add, she herself opposed repealing the NY State Gas Tax in 2000 when she was running for the Senate. What a hypocrite!
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/28/954228.aspx
May 6, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good God - did you see Josh's video on the main page of Sen. Bob Menendez defending her gas tax holiday? What a complete and utter moron - have all Hillary supporters and surrogates gone batshit insane? I love his statement that "sometimes people in the media and economists don't know what it's like to pinch pennies but Hillary does" - WTF????????? She's Harvard and Yale educated, she and hubby made $109 million dollars over the past 7 years, she can't even operate a goddamned coffee machine, and SHE KNOWS WHAT IT'S LIKE TO PINCH PENNIES??? I thought that the hosts of the MSNBC show (I think it was Morning Joe) were going to bust a gut on that one. My God, does he even realize how ludicrous his statements are? Ay yi yi ...
May 6, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
How sad it is that we've gotten to the point in this country that believing in FACTS and EXPERTS is considered ELITIST. Instead, we've turned our foreign policy over to W's "gut" and our science policy over to religous fanatics. Now, Hillary is complicit in the crime.
I have a good friend who went to grad school with me who is from some SERIOUS country folk. She told me about a time when she got into an argument with her mother about something and her mom dismissed her saying, "Oh, that's just all that learnin' talking". That's all I can think of now everytime Hillary or her surrogates talk about this ridiculous gas tax plan.
May 6, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
"...under Clinton's plan, if properly implemented, any additional profit realized by an oil company by passing on the cost of the windfall profits tax to customers would also be subject to the tax. This means a dollar passed through to consumers to offset the tax would appear as profit ... and be taxed.
How to enforce this? Make it against the law for oil companies to pass the price of the windfall profits tax on to consumers, and then audit the oil companies' books. It is not a difficult accounting exercise to tax excess profits above a certain gross percentage per barrel of oil, or gallon of gas. Every major oil company has sophisticated profit segmentation reports that go to the very senior management of the company. These reports identify revenues, costs and profit at each level of the vertically integrated operation, broken down on a per barrel basis by product type, marketing region, you name it.
The oil companies also will have a powerful inducement to avoid being caught -- and in this kind of toxic political environment, they may actually swallow the tax.
But it takes a little bit of courage to take them on, and a belief that we do not always have to be victims. Obama -- where is your optimism?"
Obama had nothing to propose so he attacked.
GOP business as usual for Oilbama.
May 6, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
You do realize, Goatlife, that when you post something like this shit without a link people don't even both to read your bullshit ... you're only hurting yourself because no one takes you seriously. Keep it up - you've gone past being utterly irrelevant.
May 6, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Stop whining, do your own research.
Then rebut my argument.
Oilbama is dead wrong on this issue as usual.
May 6, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bawk, bawk bawk bawk..........
May 6, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your research has taught you how to cut 'n' paste. That's what the results of your research show.
May 6, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do my own research? I have, asshole, and her plan is ridiculous and stupid and DOA in Congress. It's just common courtesy to provide a link when you mindlessly cut and paste something - but then, you have no courtesy and no mind.
May 6, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
GOP business as usual for Oilbama.
That's especially poetic seeing as she stole the idea from John McCain.
May 6, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
mcwar does not want the oil companies to pay like Oilbama.
May 6, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
And that actually makes his plan more likely to pass as long as GW is in the White House. Both plans are terrible, but at least McCain isn't lying about being able to pass a windfall profit tax.
May 6, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to say this again:
Congress already told Clinton they were not going to pass this so it's a completely dead issue.
It kills me she keeps riding it - it will not come to be. It is dead. It is expired, it is a Departed Idea. It is gone. It has passed. It has gone beyond the cares of men and this world.
It ain't happenin
May 6, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like Oilbama, you just don't get it.
You have to fight for change and proposing nothing is nothing but a loser.
May 6, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
that makes no sense....
May 6, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's pining for the fjords!
May 6, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed!!!!
May 6, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
If hillary really believes Dubya would sign a windrall profits tax on oil companies into law she is as bit an insufferable twit as you are.
Not to mention the fact that Congress refuses to let it get to the floor.
This has no chance of passing, it is, what is the word, pandering.
May 6, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Look, if you are going to get involved politics you have to contact your Reps and tell them what you want. Put pressure on them. All they care about is getting reelected so they listen to the majority.
You have actually do something other than hang out on a blog and hope for change.
You have to fight for it.
If you do nothing, they do nothing.
May 6, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I do believe it is possible to write a blog and write your legislature, and in the same day, even. Dkos is filled with them.
My last letter was to Hillary, telling her to drop out for the good of the party.
May 6, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
No. Writing a blog, like taking a final exam, is a full day endeavor.
May 6, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOLOLOL!!!!
May 6, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
The progressive movement was to put pressure on them for change.
Now, they back Obama that proposed nothing for change on gas prices.
Obama killed the progressive movement. Now, you just sit there and hope gas prices will come down and do nothing like Oilbama.
May 6, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
While we're on the subject of oil, can you please explain how exactly Hillary plans on breaking up OPEC? I figure you might have some insight.
May 6, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
It has to do with WTO and trade .
Research it, you just might learn something.
You folks are intellectually lazy.
May 6, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
*so you say with a picture of Obama with a chicken on his head*
May 6, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would do some research, but I'm afraid all of that "learnin'" might make me too much of an elitist.
May 6, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You sound like some kind of expert. We certainly wouldn't want to pay any attention to what you have to say.
May 6, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you mean "energized" the progressive movement, not "killed". See response below to how "bad" Obama would be for the general.
May 6, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
How many times have I seen that last fall-back position - if all else fails, attack the people you are with for doing the same damn thing you do.
Have I told you yet today how very boring you are?
May 6, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not even a generous pull-quote from Salon's opinion section can bring the sizzle back to this once sparkling Leading Troll's performances this week. After struggling to regain his footing in the wake of the ballyhooed 30 Point Prognosticator Diaries, including a brief yet all-too-predictable roll with a catchphrase-laden Yardbird Sidekick, this once great performer has stumbled onto a Long and Winding Road toward irrelevance of late. Will he be able to reignite the passion that once captured so many longtime TPM viewers' hearts, or will he continue on this heartbreaking path blazed by so many Lohans in a Volkswagen before?
Known Troll: +5
Contrarian Troll Modifier: +3
Intellectual Dishonesty: +2
Strawman/FUD Modifier: +5
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Troll Rating: 15
May 6, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
OMG, thank God you're back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My day just got a lot better! Good work! ;)
May 6, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
hee hee hee
The pic alone is worth it!
May 6, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
You, sir, are a genius. Pure and simple.
"so many Lohans in a Volkswagon"
That's prolly stolen right this minute.
May 6, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just thought to myself, and wanted to share ... if HRC steals the Democratic nomination, I will write in for Barack Obama ... I wonder if he would run as an Independent. It would make a very interesting race!
one db
May 6, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
He would never do that. Unlike Hillary, he puts the party above himself.
May 6, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Would be funny, considering the other Clinton owed his victory in presidential elections to a third party candidate (Perot) siphoning votes from Republican challengers.
May 6, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
If gotalife met Obama personally, and Obama promised to do every stupid thing gotalife wants, he would then accuse Obama of pandering. I strongly suspect gotalife just loves to annoy people. But keep on posting, you truly are comic relief.
May 6, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I would tell him to drop out so we can win this time and not lose three in a row.
May 6, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am pretty sure he will disappoint you, and as a good American, you will hopefully celebrate his swearing in. It will truly be a wonderful moment in our nation's history.
May 6, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
The thing about gotalife is that he is not even a Hillary supporter. I know many Hillary supporters and none of them are willfully stupid. Gotalife's job (and I'd be surprised if he weren't paid) is to make Hillary's breech with the Democratic Party irreparable. He's knocking down our presumptive nominee and doing what he can to damage Hillary Clinton along the way. If Hillary should convince enough super dels to throw the election her way, he makes it even harder for us to support her in the general. It's win-win for gotalife, but only if you take him seriously.
May 6, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Which part of wanting to win this time do you not understand?
I am just a Clinton supporter who thinks Obama would lose the general.
Take off your tin foil hats, I am not a conspiracy.
There are millions that agree with me but you Obama suppporters have run them off the blogs with your unhinged behavior.
You have divided the party.
May 6, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
And there are actually even more that disagree with you - if we want to look at the popular vote.
May 6, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Eight Belles metaphor will bite you in the ass.
Film at 11.
May 6, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I mean finding new voters, having a 50 state plan, increasing turnout, winning states like MN, WI, KS, helping TX turn purple, tons of grassroot support, and huge coattails for other Democrats in other contests to ride.
Obama would be really bad in the general.....
May 6, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Those are not all Obama supporters.
The direction of this country may have something to do with turn out.
It is not all about Obama.
May 6, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
never said it was. not all the new voters are obama people, many of them are because Obama has made a concerted effort to register new voters. not so much on the clinton side.
May 6, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
...and let's not forget their overall job on running their respective campaigns and fundraising. obama's run a very, very tight ship. The 1.5 million contributors and record fundraising speaks to this, as does the fact the Obama hasn't changed campaign managers.
May 6, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
from a MN perspective.... Clinton's grassroots campaign sucks (no 50 state strategy). Hers (if it exists) was no where to be found in Minneapolis of all places. I still voted for her that day, but seeing Obama's awesome grassroots effort on the day of the vote, seriously sewed some seeds of doubt that day.
Followed with her Repubi-speak and her nasty campaign and total disregard for the party and.....
Now.... GO Obama! Yes, we can!
May 6, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope.
If gotnolife argued in good faith, I would be willing to believe.
But it walks, talks, posts and reacts like a troll. Common garden variety troll - nothing exotic.
May 6, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are a radical troll.
You post nothing but name calling.
May 6, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
False.
May 6, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
False. And no one believes you are a Hillary supporter, much less a democrat. And I have read your racist diatribes in the past, and your credability has as much worth as Bush's presidency, which I'm sure you support.
May 6, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
False. Do you even know what the definition of a troll is?
May 6, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have no doubt that the GOP pays people to troll liberal/left leaning sites. After watching them for the past twenty years, I fully expect the worst from them and this is cheap and easy to do. The left engages in discussion and argument - look at how many of us respond to gotalife when we know we may as well be talking to a wall. The GOP would be crazy to not use that to their full advantage.
May 6, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
And how pathetic is the Clinton campaign that they cannot come up with the name of just one freakin' economist to throw back at the talking heads when they ask their favorite question of the moment "Just name one economist that agrees with the gas tax holiday." You can't find some hack Econ prof at East Jesus State University that will go on the record in favor? Are you kidding me? And this is the "grown up" campaign that is ready to roll on "day one"? I wouldn't hire these people to wash my car
From the front page - hilarious.
May 6, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously. I'm stunned they couldn't dig up at least one or two economists to at least make it seem like there's some divergence on the issue. That's how people have been arguing against global warming and evolution for years. They get a few people out there with some sort of academic background to say the opposite of the prevailing theory in order to muddy the argument. Not so you can win the argument but just so you can keep the other side from winning it.
May 6, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here is one but keep in mind big oil has paid off many of these so called experts.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/05/06/gas_tax/
Josh should know that but he drank the kool aid too.
May 6, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
check out your URL:
....salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/....
this guy is like you, going against all sense and reason to attempt to boost up Lieberman's fantasy-chance to win the primary.
May 6, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
russian roulette has one bullet, still means you can shoot your face off.
May 6, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fine then. I have always inteded to vote for Hillay in the general if she wins the nomoination no matter how hard I have to hold my nose to do it. Do you make the same promise for Obama?
May 6, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
The end of the article notes the author is a lawyer, not an economist. Not to say that his opinion is less valid but the point that she can't find an economist actually supporting the plan still stands.
May 6, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
A lawyer who has made his living fighting big oil (a very worthy cause, I might add), but not the most impartial person on the block, huh? ;)
May 6, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
"East Jesus State"....priceless...
May 6, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The downside of populist pandering. Good to see Hillary has energized this long-dormant wing of the party.
http://www.wthitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8274089
VINCENNES, Ind. (WTHI) - A local campaign office has been vandalized just 24 hours before election day in Indiana. An investigation is underway currently as to who is behind the destruction of Senator Barack Obama's Vincennes campaign headquarters. The vandalism occured sometime Sunday night.
Supporters at the Vincennes Obama for America office arrived monday morning to find something disturbing. Overnight someone had vandalized Senator Obama's Vincennes campaign site.
Spray paint covered windows with broken glass across the floor. Heart-breaking news to Obama supporters.
Duane Chattin, President of the Vincennes City Council tells News 10 "our hope now is that the police will catch these criminals and they can be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."
When police arrived witnesses told them one important item was missing. "vandals apparently broke this glass and stole an american flag that once stood on display in this window" says Chattin. "One thing we know about the criminal that did this, first of all they are a criminal, second, that they're a vandal, and third, they're not patriotic because stealing a United States flag shows disrespect for the country" explains Chattin.
The crime scene caught the attention of those walking by. Local residents stopped by the office to find out what happened. Shaking their heads they walked away.
But Senator Obama's supporters aren't letting the vandalism get them down. They hit the streets of Vincennes carrying on their message of hope.
Chattin says "we're moving forward, we're looking forward to tomorrow and we think that Barack Obama's gonna do very good."
If you have any information on the vandalism, call Crime Stoppers at 238-stop.
May 6, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Makes you wonder who attracts the support of real low life types, doesn't it?
In both Iowa and Indiana [and probably in other states] Obama yard signs would be stolen before they were up even a full 24 hours. In Indiana, one woman had an Obama sign stolen during the night after she had placed it in her front yard. Three more times she placed one in her yard, only to find each of those three signs subsequently missing the next morning. Finally, she just put a fifth Obama sign up inside her front window.
Hillary, with her 'do anything to win' destructive behavior has set an ugly example for her supporters. I join so many other disgusted Democrats who will be relieved to see her out of the race.
May 6, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
The bell is tolling for Clinton.
Say "G'night," Hillary.
May 6, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did you say the bell is trolling for Clinton? I thought that was gotalife. ;-)
May 6, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has gotnolife been spotted in Vincennes?
May 6, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Folks just by pass all those Goatshite droppings. No need to keep stepping in them.
May 6, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
but it's kinda fun, like when i'd walk around the farm when i was kid, stepping in the cowpies...
May 6, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
What do you mean, start shrieking like harpy . . .
May 6, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
oops
May 6, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
At the outset:
Finally a women candidate, who will have a great chance to become president. Great I thought. I am all for that. I am going to support Hillary. I will overlook her vote on the Iraq war, since John Kerry and John Edwards did the same thing, and I am sure that she no longer buys into the Bush saber rattling confrontational form of foreign policy.
I was wrong. Hillary choose to present herself to the nation as the Democrat's version of Mitt Romney. For God's sake folks, she now has James Carville hailing her for having three testicles. Some feminist indeed.
Hillary's campaign; in a nutshell: I am not women, hear me roar. I shoot down ducks. I down shooters. My paw thought me how to be a good ol' boy. That Obama guy does not understand we country folks. He will take away your guns. I have defied a nest of snipers. I will obliterate seventy million men, women, and children from the face of the earth.
Hillary is not a man, but she is now trying to pass as one. That means that Hillary does not believe in her own identity as a Woman. She has become a minstrel show performer. It is too appalling to watch.
May 6, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Liam, I am right there with you.
May 6, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Barackster hit his goal of 1,500,000 donors by today. :)
May 6, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Woohoooo!!!! YES! WE! CAN!! :)
May 6, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great!!!
May 6, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Even if, by some fluke (stealing) HRC were the Democratic candidate, I now find myself at a loss to vote for someone who backed the Irag war, disses economists, thinks being elite is a bad thing (check Webster's definition) and finally, is now threatening to wipe out Iran and dismantle OPEC (threats). Yesterday she was in Indiana talking with a southern accent, it was SO ridiculous. I actually question her intelligence at this juncture, and her objectivity. How can she bring both sides together to work on our problems as a nation, when she has done everything within her power to divide her own party? I would be with great sorrow if I had to cast that vote, truly.
May 6, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please, for the love of God and kittens...STFU you insufferable twit. I can't take anymore.
May 6, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
IN may be BO what NH was to Hillary.
May 6, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dear God, I hope you're right.
Forget gotalife, forget Clinton, this entire RACE is insufferable.
May 6, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
A win for Hillary in Indiana and a loss in N. Carolina would be a win for Hillary, because a third of the vote in N. Carolina is black. Without that he would lose N. Carolina as well. How much of a victory this would be for Hillary depends on how well she does in N. Carolina.
May 6, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Otto, screw you and your obsession with making NC a "black vote" issue. It is disgusting.
May 6, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
If only blacks still counted as 3/5 of a person, Hillary would be the nominee!
May 6, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL, I posted something similar yesterday! ;)
May 6, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's unfortunate that I can imagine Hillary (or a surrogate) saying that on TV.
"Hey, if we're talking about upholding the constitution, let's look at the original version..."
May 6, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Listen, asshole, your hero Bill Clinton rode into office with a solid majority of the black vote, and if you think any democrat can get elected in a national election without this very important demographic you are deluding yourself. Keep spewing your racist shit, but the fact remains that the Democratic party is a big tent and ALL are welcome - even former Hillary supporters! ;)
May 6, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly Carol!
May 6, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
An Inbred Springer Reject, such as Otto, thinks that his trailer trash white skin makes his vote count for more than the vote of a black person.
May 6, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is already moving the goalpost to include MI and FL.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080506/NATION/525934081/1002
May 6, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I blogged about this yesterday, as I was very concerned about her changing the rules, as usual. Most others posting here felt quite confident she will not succeed. I also read that quite a few SD's were very angry when this came out due to what it could do to the Democratic Party. I don't think she has a chance.
May 6, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrew Sullivan:
Amen...
May 6, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
thanks for posting this.
May 6, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA-men!
May 6, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotalife -
Rural in NC is not the same as rural in Penn. The biggest thing you should understand is that there are lots of AfrAm voters who live in rural NC. And last, while it's a safe bet that most rural white voters will go for Clinton, there will be some who won't. The rural areas are not a given for Clinton...
May 6, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
My parents are both farmer's and they voted Obama (in WI). This whole rural voter argument is trash. Look at the states Obama has won- WI, KS, MN, ND, gonna winn OR. He has rural appeal, just not racist rural appeal.
May 6, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
If gotnolife argued in good faith, I would be willing to believe.
But it walks, talks, posts and reacts like a troll. Common garden variety troll - nothing exotic.
I agree. There are patterns, as with some of the other trolls around here, of persistent denial and a heavy reliance on logical fallacies. With them, it's never about reaching an understanding. It's about winning. Winning the argument. Winning the election. Seeing their team win no matter how ill-gotten the gains.
If "gotnolife" were really a Hillary supporter, and one who shares the values of most Democrats, it would demonstrate what I've begun to suspect: that the electorate is divided not only along the lines of left and right, but along the lines of truthseekers and those who value winning above all else.
Those who are willing to do and say anything to win tend to lose sight of what it was they were trying to achieve with that win in the first place.
May 6, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
1.5 Million. That's how many people have now donated to Obama. No one has ever come close to this in history. And it was done by the Internet, destroying the power of major donors to control a candidate, empowering so many to make a difference and altering the face of campaign finance for ever.
And that goes right to the heart of the electability issue. Obama has proven that he can do far better than Clinton in the general election at fundraising and bringing in new voters. That's an advantage that McCain wouldn't be able to counter.
May 6, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the SDs are looking straight at that, too.
It's money, honey. The Clintons have been the prime fundraisers for the party since '92.
Obama just obliterated that.
And believe completely that is number 1 on every SD's list.
May 6, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this is why no flood of supers for Sen Clinton. Sen Obama has the money, uninheritable by Sen Clinton, and green is the color elected super dels see.
May 6, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
left the subject out so it looks like a command - sorry.
I believe completely that that is number 1 on every SD's list.
May 6, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've beard nothing about how much Obama raised in April. I thought for sure the $ amount would be released before the vote today. Was the take perhaps less than expected? On the last day of April, I got a desperate-sounding last-minute appeal from the campaign and chipped in an extra 25 bucks. I'm curious how it turned out. Maybe the campaign's waiting to release the figure till after today's vote as a way of cushioning a loss or bolstering a win.
May 6, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was born in NC, grew up in East Tennessee, and now live in the suburbs of Raleigh. Like my Momma and my Daddy, I am a Yellow Dog Democrat. I'm leaving now to cast my primary vote for Barack Obama, because Hillary Clinton has made herself indistinguishable from John McCain on so many levels, but mainly that pure idiocy of a "Gas Tax Holiday." I hope her staff see this and know this is at least partially the reason she is losing in NC.
May 6, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink