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The New Magic Number: 2,210 Delegates
That's what Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson just argued on a conference call with reporters.
Previously the Hillary campaign had argued that 2,209 was the magic number. But if you add in the surprise election of Dem Travis Childers in last night's Mississippi special election, the new threshold for winning a majority of the overall delegates -- Florida and Michigan included, of course -- is 2,210.
So Wolfson argued, at any rate. Audio of the conference call soon.
Late Update: Here's the audio from the call:
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Comments (78)
What do these people have against playing by rules to which they agreed?
May 14, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Playing by the rules means they lose. Besides, what does it mean for a person like Hillary to break her word or signed pledge? Obviously, not much.
May 14, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm an Obama supporter, but how is it going to look when Obama breaks his "pledge" to accept public financing for the general election?
I'm afraid Republicans will use this same argument against Obama.
May 14, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is not exactly what Obama said. He never pledged not to totally, he left some wiggle room.
But your point stands. That doesn't meen I want Obama to go with public financing, but he will have to be careful about how he bows out of public financing.
He should probably bring in the 527s and say any pledge, as well as most campaign finance laws, are useless in the face of 527s and he will only agree to take public financing if McCain gets all the GOP 527s to swear off attack politics. Of course, as the swift boaters told us this morning, that will never happen.
May 14, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's response will be that he IS publicly financed - directly from the public.
May 14, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. McCain has already shown himself either unwilling or unable to stop the 527s, so there's no deal.
May 14, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on.
No one has done more for pledged delegates than Barack Obama.
May 14, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right.
May 14, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nailed it.
No one has done more to earn the pledged delegate lead than Barack Obama.
May 14, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit
May 14, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
May 14, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
"THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!" T-SHIRTS!!!
http://www.zazzle.com/tre2k3/product/235456910823818404
May 14, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Love the sentiment, loathe the design. If this wasn't done with Idiotic's blessing/partnership it's a seriously crap thing to do.
If you guys *are* in league together on this, let me please hook you up with a good designer - we can't reduce EXCELLENT NEWS to this.
May 14, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
it's an illness. they just can't help themselves.
May 14, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOLOLOL
It's like goalpost tourrets(sp?)
May 14, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, please accept my thanks, again, for listening in on these conference calls.
It must require a fair amount of self-control to not scream back "Are you effing kidding?" each time a new goalpost gets planted by the Clinton campaign.
May 14, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the other hand... everyone might be better off if no one at all listened to those conference calls.
May 14, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
And now for his next trick, ladies and gentlemen, Greg Sargent will sing while Howard Wolfson drinks a glass of water!
May 14, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL
May 14, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stop this madness.
May 14, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I guess the new Clinton motto is, "Fuck the Goalposts! Declare Victory and Get Out!"
May 14, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fuck the goalposts indeed. They have decided to play a mixed game of bocce and shuffleboard instead of football. And they're using Monopoly rules.
May 14, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Completely coincidentally, I won exactly 2,210 delegates in last night's astounding West Virginian primary victory.
May 14, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
REAL CLEAR POLITICS ELECTION 2008
Democrats Obama-Clinton Spread
Total Delegates 1885 - 1718 Obama + 167
Super Delegates 286 - 272 Obama + 14
Pledged Delegates 1599 - 1446 Obama + 153
May 14, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
NARAL Pro-Choice America Endorsed Barack Obama:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-keenan/why-naral-pro-choice-amer_b_101708.html
May 14, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
God, these people are insufferable. But, again, I don't think too many people are falling for their crap anymore - I really don't. Even the media is starting to call them out on their bullshit. Terry McAuliffe is just plain batshit crazy and Wolfson is like John Lovitz on SNL (Tommy Flanagan, the Pathological Liar), "yeah, that's the ticket". Pathetic!
May 14, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who do you trust:
Listen to the truth teller.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg
May 14, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
For a laugh and analysis go here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UJYAo5o3Fs&feature=user
May 14, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
We're sending agricultural specialists to Baghdad instead of Afghanistan? Oops!
ABCNews.com - "Obama Gaffes on Iraq and Afghanistan," by David Wright and Eloise Harper:
"Obama posited — incorrectly — that Arabic translators deployed in Iraq are needed in Afghanistan — forgetting, momentarily, that Afghans don't speak Arabic. … No sooner did Obama realize his mistake — and correct himself — but he immediately made another. 'We need agricultural specialists in Afghanistan, people who can help them develop other crops than heroin poppies, because the drug trade in Afghanistan is what is driving and financing these terrorist networks … ," he said. … 'But if we are sending them to Baghdad, they're not in Afghanistan,' Obama said. … In Iraq, oil fields not poppy fields are a major source of U.S. technical assistance."
May 14, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Otto, boy, you're really reaching today, aren't you? ;)
May 14, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is that the same kind of "misstatement" as saying again and again that you dodged sniper fire in Bosnia, when you clearly didn't?
That's a rhetorical question, by the way.
May 14, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, because the Euphrates river valley (which is where Baghdad is located) in Iraq doesn't produce all the agriculture in the country and most of the agriculture in the region.
Grab a clue.
May 14, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Figures.
He is not even close to being ready for the Presidency of our country.
May 14, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
So why does her surrogates suggest that she should be his VP?
May 14, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally GL - Just because everyone votes for him is does not make him the leader.
I think you'd 150%(!) that a democratic
May 14, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interestingly, Otto left this part out from the article:
May 14, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's InTrade numbers dropped to 8.3% (from I think 9%) after her win in WV - pretty clear indicator as to just how convincing these idiots are, huh? They are fooling no one.
May 14, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're ignoring the fact that 8.3% is significantly higher than 9%.
Not to mention way higher than Senator Obama's 90.4%.
May 14, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOLOLOL! ;)
May 14, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her number is 8 now... which, I suppose, as a "billarism" (Clin-tone) = more than 91+%.
Imagine the educational system under hillary? All would qualify for mental illness, due to logic being so perverted.
May 14, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
8 sideways is infinity. C'mon Hillary!!!
May 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
You keep making my day (over & over & over again).
Thank you.
;-)
May 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL. I will really miss you after BO nomination.
(OK, ready for your blowback)
May 14, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
It works like golf. Didn't anyone get the memo? Obama clearly is losing with his huge numbers.
May 14, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Question: While we are disecting the latest round of Clinton stupidity is McCain having another of his Senior Moments? If he is, how would we know?
I can't wait for Hillary to get out of this race.
May 14, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just to play devil's advocate: perhaps it's best that we don't play the dementia card too early. Just like the Wright nontroversy has been played out, we don't want to play out McCain's dementia.
May 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, needling him about his age problem might goad him into his rage problem. Could start an Angry Old Man loop....that could get us through the summer and we could start fresh on policy issues after the convention.
May 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anything along these lines has to be very incidental so that the viewing public feels like they're the ones making this connection and that it's not being shoved down their collective throats.
May 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Something tells me that Wolf Blitzer and friends don't have much practice in the art of restraint. If they smell blood (and even if they don't), they'll be all over it for all it's worth and then some. The real question is who will be paying attention as this campaign drags itself into the fall.
May 14, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
CORRECTION: the new magic number is not 2,210, its 1,379,902. Half of which Hillary got last night in WV and the other half she will get in KY. OR doesnt count because it belongs to Canada.
May 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does that mean Washington and Idaho also belong to Canada?
If not that is one funky noncontiguous border with part of their country inside another one.
;-)
May 14, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Blame Canada!"
May 14, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
2,210? What happened to 2,025?
Game back on!
Clinton! WOOT!
May 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
May 14, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your GBCW lasted all of what - 2 hours? Jeevus, dude - Goiterlife lasted longer than that.
May 14, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Crap. I missed this buffoon's GBCW speech?
May 14, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton will end up being another BUSH in the White House. He didn't follow the law or rules -- in fact he made his own up. NOW LOOK WHO'S MAKING HER OWN RULES IN THE CAMPAIGN.
In fact, somebody ought to research Hillary's previous comments about Bush not following the LAW or RULES or using the special rules pen. Feed them back at her.
May 14, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
With FL, MI and KY this is still a race.
If Clinton pulls an all-nighter in Oregon all bets are off.
May 14, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
And if Bill pulls an all nighter at Hooters, then everything will be back to normal.
May 14, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guess what?
It's O-V-E-R!
Shrillary LOST (emphasis on PAST tense).
May 14, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know, Clinton and a supposed lack of sleep led to Snipergate. If Clinton pulls an all-nighter, she's going to start telling stories about the time she saved Middle Earth.
May 14, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL
If you are hanging your hopes on Oregon going for Clinton you are going to need this at around 8:01 PM PST on May 20th.
May 14, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow that number is magic - it has the rare ability to be different anytime the magician Clinton calls for it to be.
OOOoooo AAahhhh
We should just make the number = infinity. Or at least +100 more than Obama has.
May 14, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's Magic Number is now Three,
In Testicular Math!
May 14, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
[big grin]
May 14, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is "magic number" as in "magic thinking", right?
May 14, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interestingly, Otto left this part out:
May 14, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for the double post, this was meant in a reply to Otto.
May 14, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this would be an appropriate time for a quote from "Blazing Saddles":
"Oh, blow it out your ass, Howard."
May 14, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
All these number games from the Crazy Clinton Campaigners is stupid just on one front: No matter how many times they change what the numbers will be the Clinton's are still behind. Don't they get that? No one can be this stupid.
May 14, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pull an all-nighter? What, is she going to win this election with a term paper?
Sorry, dude, there is nothing Hillary can do to win Oregon. She had a better chance in North Carolina, and we all know how that worked out...
May 14, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look at her schedule (and that of Bill and Chelsea) and Obama and you will know how realistic the Clinton's chances are at winning here in Oregon.
None.
May 14, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
tpm channeling Clinton-Wolfson ... in other words, tpm is doing just what I thought it would never do: become part of the msm echo chamber
May 14, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama never pledged or signed anything about taking public funding. He said he was open to discuss it with McSame's camp. And at this point,. with McCain already violating public financing rules as we speak, that is a can of worms the GOP will rue should the open it back up.
WHy do you think we haven't heard a single whisper of it since McSame broke throw the spending cap over a month ago?
May 14, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone care what she says the magic number is? No. The media has had enough of it, so it is over, they aren't playing her games anymore.
May 14, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey let's go run Hilary for President of Columbia, maybe Bill can cover her campaign debts by recommending Free Trade Agreements to Nort Korea....When life long Politicians run for office they have no rules...they make them up as they go...winnning is all important. It's time for the Clinton's to disappear. What they are doing should scare the heck out of all Americans.
May 14, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oregon belongs to Canada? And possibly Washington as well?
Good news to my ears. It'd be the rationale to vote NDP I've been trying to find for years.
May 14, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "lead" in popular vote counts votes in MI and FL, but none in IA, ME, NV and WA (those caucus states don't report vote totals). So the logic is that we should count all the votes from the two states who had primaries that didn't count but no votes from four states who had caucuses that did count. Riiiight.
I have it on good authority that the Clinton campaign has retained a group of top mathematicians to come up with a new formula by which she wins. It will probably include cosines and logarithms and the square root of Chelsea Clinton's hat size.
May 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink