Saturday Super-Delegate Roundup
It's only mid-afternoon on a Saturday, but four super-delegates endorsements have already come out:
• In New Mexico, where Hillary Clinton very narrowly won the party-run primary on Super Tuesday, state party chair Brian Colón has endorsed Barack Obama.
• In South Carolina, former state superintendent Inez Tenenbaum, an Obama supporter, won the add-on slot in a state where he won the primary by a landslide.
• In Maryland, where Obama won the primary by a wide margin but the state party establishment has supported Clinton, the state party committee selected one Obama-supporter, former Gov. Parris Glendening, and one Hillary-backer, former Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, to fill their two add-on slots.
The opposite scenario -- a state where Clinton won, but many state party leaders back Obama and have it in their power to control the add-on seats -- will be coming up next Saturday in Massachusetts. It will be interesting to see what happens then.
The score so far: Obama +3, Clinton +1.
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
May 3, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
INDEED!!!
May 3, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nicely done. Full of win!
But don't just read about it... make those calls today, Obama supporters!
Let the other side spin the news. We're going to get the vote out in North Carolina and Indiana!
May 3, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The best Idiotic post ever was:
Extemporaneous Bill is EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!
May 3, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I agree - that was absolutely inspired. :)
May 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric, I have to congratulate you for putting zero spin on this. Thank you.
May 3, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree completely. It stood out - thank you so very much. I really appreciate it.
The trick is that I don't mind editorializing, just tell us it's your thought. That way it doesn't sound like a pronouncement from somewhere else.
;)
May 3, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank God for small mercies.
May 3, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
That should put the delegate count at 1749 Obama to 1609 Clinton... meaning that every delegate gain she made in Pennsylvania has been erased!
...only 276 delgates left 'til victory!
And the primaries in Guam today will be a nice little plus, going into the next two states!
May 3, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
And here's some more EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
When all of the ballots were finally counted -- a process that lasted through the night until well after the sun was up -- Sen. Barack Obama had the most votes from Guam Democrats in the party’s caucus held yesterday.
Obama finished with 2,264 votes to Sen. Hillary Clinton’s 2,257 votes – a 7-point difference. Obama never trailed from the first vote count on.
If Hillary can't pander well enough to win over the people of Guam, how is she going to pander well enough for to buy your vote?!
May 3, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is excellent news!!!!!!
For America!!
May 3, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well played.
May 3, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what's the count for the week???
If I'm not mistaken Obama has completely wiped out any advantage Clinton gained in Pennsylvania??? maybe close to it...
What isn't being reported is that with every single delegate won by Obama (even if she matches him delegate for delegate from here on out) her chances decline severely.
If Obama doesn't put her away with duel victories on Tuesday it will happen May 20th with his Oregon victory. Peace.
May 3, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah... just did the math. He has wiped out Clinton's Pennsylvania gains, and stands to be ahead once Guam's primary results come back. Probably tomorrow when we'll have the numbers on that one, due to the time zone its in.
May 3, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, Idiotic, you're so hanoing. But you still bring smiles to my face.
May 3, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
idiotic has been the best snarker at TPM since I joined.
May 3, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very much agree - I look for Idiotic's posts on every thread. However, for side-splitting, beverage-spewing hilarity, TrollCritic3000 is a must. I wish he would come back a little more often ... he had such a way of getting underneath GoatLife and Matt Weaver's skins, didn't he?? ;)
May 3, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I miss troll critic too since I hate to post any reply whatsoever to the "really idiotic" trolls.
May 3, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Troll Critic 3000 is, quite simply, a genius. I've never seen anything like those comments. Pure gold.
May 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Totally brilliant.
May 3, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, wheres he been these days?
With gotalife claiming that his 30 point prediction was a typo, and saying that certain polls are "irrelevent," I could sure use his insights.
May 3, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
With those statements, I think we got concrete proof that gotalife is Mark Penn.
May 3, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's funny ... smile of the week!
May 3, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I miss Sinbad (or at least the person who played Sinbad)
May 3, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not surprising. Every time SD endorsements are announced, Obama comes out with at least 1-3 more than Hillary.
The point is, the way this is going, Obama will soon overtake Hillary for the lead in SD as well. When that happens, it'll be very hard for her to argue that things are "tied" between the two of them, or that she could overtake Obama. It just doesn't work.
The fact is, Obama has been consistently cutting into Clinton's SD lead.
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/02/superdelegate-history-tracker.html
And as of this posting, that super delegate tracker only goes up to 4/29, so it's a little old. She's only got a lead of 18 (at best). That's nothing, especially considering the fact that there's still hundreds of SDs who still need to endorse.
And let's not forget that Obama can win without a LEAD in SDs. I don't believe that Hillary can.
May 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry, the Hillary dead-enders will start saying that Obama's declared superdelegates will switch their allegiance.
Because he's unelectable, you know.
May 3, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Politico does a great job tracking this ... they have Obama within 15 SDs as of today (5/3), I think. He leads in all categories of SDs other than DNC officials and 'Distinguished Party Leaders' (pardon me if I skip the obvious punchline that label calls for), and those are the groups that declared early when the Cloak of Inevitability was still being proudly displayed. This all could be over in a week.
http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/
May 3, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood,
a beautiful day in the neighborhood -
May 3, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena, do you have your cardigan and tennis shoes on?? ;)
It certainly is a beautiful day, and Obama's "Wright" troubles certainly seem to be waning, don't they? I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but he has weather the storms brilliantly. Did you see his speech at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner in NC? It was absolutely fabulous and the crowd went crazy (and I understand Clinton and Easley did not receive such a warm reception). ;)
May 3, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ugh ... he has weatherED the storms brilliantly. Must learn to preview before I click the send button (of course, if this damned site had a preview option that wouldn't be necessary...) :P
May 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have not seen that, but you are radiating off the page today.
I love it.
:)
May 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw, gee, thanks! I'm always like that when I get home from rehearsal (I'm in an a cappella vocal ensemble - we do classical stuff, Bach, Renaissance, that kind of thing).
Here's the link to the reader post of the closing statement of that speech - he is simply remarkable!
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/something-positive-two-obama-v-1.php
May 3, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
O my gosh - I have a dear friend here who sings in more than one chorale group.
I went to Italy with them and it was so cool - they performed in the town "cathedral" in Bagno Reggio, in Umbria, and I sat in that church with the entire town of Bagno Reggio - everyone came to listen. It was one of the neatest experiences ever. Two ancient Italian grandmothers sat next to me, the mayor and his grandsons were there - I stood outside across the road from the church before it started and watched a full moon rise through the olive groves - we were way up in the hills in Umbria.
Most magic experience of the whole trip.
May 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Believe it or not, my wonderful hubby and I (he's a Choral Director) went to Germany on our honeymoon 10 years ago with our entire choral group! Imagine being on your honeymoon with 50 of your closest friends LOL! It was actually quite wonderful and we got to see Bach's tomb (in the ThomasKirche Church in Leipzig, which was a very emotional moment, I will tell you) and many other wonderful places. I love European choral trips - they are fun and you get to perform in those amazing Medieval churches with amazing acoustics! ;)
May 3, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually - I'd use any excuse on earth to go to Europe.
:)
May 3, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kinda gets stuck in your head, doesn't it?
May 3, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but how is that critically important Guam vote going, anyway?
May 3, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought he already won there today - was that a joke?
May 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
kos blog has it at Obama 1007 / Clinton 875.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/3/101037/4372/238/508280#c229
May 3, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I drink coffee. And water. That's pretty much it.
If Obama gets 5 superdelegates today (and this is likely) I am going to go to the coffee shop around the corner and, in celebration, order a latte.
Haven't had one in a long time. Sounds luxurious.
May 3, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm already celebrating.
I do love latte and cappuccino - when I was Italy I was shocked to find that the coffee in the hotels was undrinkable - worse than Ireland, and I didn't think that was possible. I discovered really quickly that I needed to grab waiter first thing and say: Due cappuccino, por favore"
Every single cappuccino I had in Italy was superb.
May 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wonder what the headline above would have been if the 3-1 had been reversed? Not so neutral, I bet.
May 3, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks to Obama's Bottomless Bucket 'o Superdelegates, Eric will never be put to that test.
May 3, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like is wasn't such a good idea for Hillary to piss off the party chair in New Mexico. From Politico:
May 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Karma, as they say, is a bitch! ;)
May 3, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but she is a lovable bitch when she's providing loads of schadenfreude for you while you watch the ones who deserve it finally get it.
;)
May 3, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love it when Billary's mafia tactics blow up on their face.
May 3, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I live in NM and the HRC camp just about wet their collective pants over the add-on delegate selection. But Big Bill put his imprimatur on the nomination (little payback to the Clinton's for the nasty comments, eh?) of this delegate which basically seals the deal. The WATB in the Clinton camp got taken to the woodshed. Boo hoo! Politics ain't beanbag.
May 3, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is ahead in Guam, but the critical precincts haven't been counted.
(Just channeling what a Hillary supporter would say at this point).
And there's this, from (moronic) Jake Tapper:
No pander left unpandered by our gal Hill.
BTW, if any of you read "The Nation", you should check out this week's edition. An excellent story on the Clinton's using the race card, and the effect that it is having on younger and older feminists.
May 3, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLMO!
I'll tell y'all the truth - I haven't heard a politician pander this badly in a long time. It's just funny. LOL!!!
May 3, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Vote for Hillary-Joe! Git 'er done on Day 1 and a government mule and 2 acres for every mother's son!"
May 3, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pretty much. And it's not a pretty sight, either.
May 3, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Update: With 15 of 19 districts reporting:
Obama 1,393 53.3%
Clinton 1,222 46.7%
Here's the link to Pacific Daily News:
http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080504/NEWS01/80504013&GID=GwtaVBevkYSQ1UsrZirtpJClMAVj166UKrtZE30selg%3D
May 3, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
May be the "poor" guamans (???) are showing rest of US how to vote for their interest. Hillary visited there and promised them the ultimate prize. Seems like they didn't swallow it.
GO GUAMA
May 3, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
If that percentage holds up, they'll split the 4 delegates evenly. But, it does add to Obama's popular vote count.
May 3, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
It doesn't matter. They're not real American voters, like the voters in Michigan.
May 3, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!!
That's so cute.
May 3, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is very good news - seems like industry is pretty confident of an Obama win (and before the trolls start screaming, these are EMPLOYEES of corporations, not lobbyists or any of the other ridiculous bullshit you're likely to spew here):
Full article here:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Employees_of_major_industries_now_donating_0503.html
May 3, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is a very cool story.
May 3, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
And one more about just how daunting the math is for Clinton vis-a-vis superdelegates and percentages (from the Jed Report - definitely worth a good look). After all of the voting and add-ons (projected fairly conservatively by Jed), and including all of the supers that have declared, she will need 184 of undeclared supers, or a whopping 78% of remaining supers, to get to 2025. Obama will need only 52 undeclared supers, or 22% of remaining supers. Who is delusional? Us Obama supporters? I don't think so.
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/barack-obamas-d.html
May 3, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember Donny McClurkin? Now this:
Gay activist John Norris wants Barack Obama to publicly drop his anti-gay preacher pal and superdelegate James Meeks: “Whether or not you choose to offer a public accounting of the reasoning behind the decision to ask Meeks to join you as both a key spiritual adviser and close political ally, the idea of seating Meeks as a delegate at the Democratic Convention is simply abhorrent. Therefore, I respectfully request that you ask for his resignation.”
May 3, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Otto, Tell that story again about how you were listening to Randi Rhodes on Air America; YESTERDAY, even though she is no longer with them. Get back on your meds.
So tell us Otto, what does a Racist Scumbag Aryan Nation Troll, such as yourself, usually listen too. Is it your vast collection of Hitler's hate speeches!
May 3, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL.
May 3, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boy, Otto, you're really digging deep today, aren't you? That letter came out on Tuesday and it was published on all of about 2 websites. Must have taken you quite a long time to dig this one up, huh? :P
Keep trying, friend. This one is a total non-starter.
May 3, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hate to talk about what Mr Tena does - just cause it's such anti-liberal sounding career - he's general counsel for a holding company that owns subs all over the world - but I know from him how important the fact that industry is donating to Obama is.
It does mean only one thing - they think he'll win.
May 3, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena, I don't know if I pointed this out to you yesterday, but there are places where one can go to have an objective, semi-rational discussion about something without having a bunch of trolls screaming obscenities and trying to shout us down. The truth is out there, no one has the right to tell you that you can't seek to find it.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/2/154559/1273/617/507893
May 3, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, babe.
I know you and I are right about this.
May 3, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm there right with you as well. ;)
May 3, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton Hedges on Convention Question
May 03, 2008 12:31 PM
ABC News' Eloise Harper reports: Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., had a very casual conversation with women in North Carolina, Saturday morning, that offered little news value –- but was insightful to a more personal side to Clinton.
One question Clinton was asked raised eyebrows. When asked if she would go all the way to the convention -– she said, “Well, I plan on going through the next contests -– West Virginia, Kentucky and others.”
Clinton has previously said she plans to go all the way to the convention if Michigan and Florida are not settled. This may indicate a possible shift in thinking about how the rest of this campaign will play out, depending on what happens in the North Carolina and Indiana primaries on Tuesday.
May 3, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
This brings Obama's magic # to 274 and takes 4 more supers off the table. HRC's up hill climb to the nomination just got a little steeper.
May 3, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting but irrelevant. Here's what matter.
Dean is a closet Obama supporter -- not necessarily on the merits or loyalty -- but because he knows Clinton will have to take the fight to the convention in order to win.
Dean's number one goal is to prevent the fight from going to the convention. No way Democrats could get united in eight weeks after a bloodbath. (He has set a June deadline for the superdelegates to decide.) His number two goal is to enforce the rules of the party to avoid future scofflaws. His number three goal, as it has always been, is to forge a compromise on Michigan and Florida.
Just as with Pelosi's behind the scene work for Obama (through her best friend and early Obama supporter Congressman George Miller) Dean knows realistically that he must meet all three goals to avoid a total disaster. His problem is that the three goals seem contradictory.
There is only one way to meet al three goals. Get the superdelegates to commit to Obama sooner than later and promise to seat the Michigan and Florida delegates.
Michigan and Florida can only be solved when the margin for Obama (with superdelegates, including some Clinton defectors) is great enough to absorb even the most ludicrous pro-Clinton advantage in those states. Only then will Clinton drop out (barring an unlikely big defeat in Indiana.)
And it will happen because Dean, Gore, Pelosi (and possibly even Edwards) will make it happen. Part of the deal is to put Evan Bayh on the ticket (although Jim Webb or Mark Warner would make more sense.)
May 3, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting. C'mon, superdelegates. Step up to the plate and get this nomination rolling!
May 3, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's more to Dean's support of Obama than that.
The Clintons tried to block Dean from the chairmanship of the DNC, and then later tried to get him ousted. The results of the mid-term elections put the kibosh on the ouster attempt.
Not to mention that it was the Clinton/DLC loyalists who cut Dean's legs out from under him in 2004.
There's no love lost there.
May 3, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
That, and Dean is also a likely Obama supporter because Obama believes in Dean's 50-state strdegdy -- tha ALL 50-states matter -- that the DLC has destroyed the party from within by caving in and acting like Republicans when people wanted leadership and that Hillary Clinton will Kill Democrats down ticket in at least 3/4 of the races for Congress & the Senate in November, if she is the nominee.
;-)
May 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
That''s the reason.
Enough with the DLC running the party. Bill Clinton won. He promptly lost us the majority his second term. We are just now getting it back. IN addition, the DLC have lost us two presidential elections.
Howard wants control out of their losing, scummy hands, and so do I.
May 3, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
He actually lost it in his FIRST term. 1994 was a disaster for us, particularly becuase of hoe HILLARY handled her Heathcare attempt.
You see, she really, truly, honestly works well with others.
Now to get it done, if she really even goes for it full throttle (which I highly doubt), she will not only be giving big phrama & insurance company's seats at the debate table, she's going to give them the good seats.
She's bought and paid for already. Like Obama would say about learning the wrong lessons from being attacked by the right, she learned the wrong lesson by how she screwed up the chance for Universal healthcare then.
The route she
s now taking is a means to and end... Health care for all (on the face of it)! Only it will be more like How NAFTA worked out so well for the middle class, or the Medicare Prescript plan did for millions of American. Better yet, it's affect will resemble the affect of her "gas tax vacation" scam.
She's a pathological liar who takes more money from the very people she is going to have to fight to get the proposals she claims she will do, than ANY OTHER CANDIDATE COMBINED.
May 3, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why Evan Bayh ? How is that going to satisfy her (since you mentioned a deal) ?
I would rather see some staunch Obama supporter as his VP than anyone from her camp.
May 3, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Evan Bayh is a bone to the DLC. Not that it would do them any good; after this election, the DLC as a force within the Democratic Party is dead.
May 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it the money?
Is that what they are scared of losing? Because otherwise, fuck the DLC.
May 3, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the aim was to kill the DLC, then why give it a lifeline visa vis Bayh ? I think Obama is too smart (and too committed to Change) to buy into that kinda deal.
I want the entire Clinton Cabalistic (?) era to be done and over with, with this primary.
May 3, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, first of all, we don't know if this is true. But the logical assumption would be that the DLC is perhaps trying to cut a deal to get a share of the pie, and in return, will call off Hillary (or desert her). From the DLC's point of view, this allows them to position a candidate for the next election cycle, whether it be 4 or 8 years from now. From Obama's point of view, it gets the shit settled so he can focus on the fall, or at least I'm sure that's how the DLC would try to sell it. The reality is that it's blackmail, and I kind of doubt it will come to pass, because I think Obama's going to wrap things up without it getting to that. Like I said before though, we don't even know if it's true. If it is, I could imagine the Obama campaign stringing along the possibility of brokering such a deal, just to keep the opposition from going all-out nuclear, but without ever really intending to follow through with it. Interesting story, though, especially if true.
May 3, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah me too
fuck the DLC. Seriously - we don't owe them shit.
[I talked like this even before I became the world's biggest hip hop fan. I'm sparing y'all how I really really talk - fuck is mild these days.]
May 3, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon, we wanna hear the raw stuff! :)
May 4, 2008 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Cabalistic"
I love it. Kabbalah would be the mystical tradition; cabal would be a Clinton-style political organization; so if it's OK with you, I'm going to use cabalistic as a descriptor for Clinton's governing style.
May 3, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go ahead and use it with "my" pleasure. Anything to stake that beast.
May 3, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought Evan Bayh was already committed to Clinton.
I'd rather see a woman. I think it would be the smartest thing he could do right now.
May 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boy, I agree wholeheartedly - it would help him with Hillary's over-50 female base. Someone like Kathleen Sebelius (Kansas) or Janet Napolitano (Arizona) (I think they are both Catholics, which would help with another Clinton stronghold) would be just fine - and they're both governors, which would be a very good contrast for a Senator and would round out the ticket. It's smart politically and it's smart, well, all around. ;)
May 3, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree completely.
May 3, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, Hillary killed any chance of that happening. All the damage she has wrought regarding race will force Obama to pick a white male to compensate for whatever loss of white, working class voters she took out of play for him with the kind of race & race baiting campaign she & Bill have been playing since S. Carolina.
And while her zombie supporters might say "Repubs would have done it anyway", I say bullshit.
At least NOT like this and NOT on the free-wheeling, main-stream level SHE opened the door too.
The far right-wing lunatics would have done so, not doubt, but the media wouldn't have touched it the way they did if SHE didn't give them permission by her opening the doors and focusing on the "angry black man" issues (either by pushing the media to the stories or piling on afterwards) and THAT subsequently gave the Repubs permission to go at it in a way they could only dream of.
Make no mistake about it.
May 3, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's funny, is that over at Booman, we've been talking about this since Feb. and no one wants to see a woman, especially an older white woman because it'll seem like pandering. I get the part of how it would help, but Sebelius has the personality of a CD case (I swear she's a robot like Howard Fineman) and Napolitano has the whole closet-case thing going. There's not many other smart, experienced, white, middle-aged females from "red" states to pick. I'd love it if he picked Boxer, but I also love my Senator and would hate to be stuck with lying-pandering-sack-of-shit Feinstein and "unknown".
May 3, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Risking the Jinx, I would reflect 57 posts later and no sign of gotalife and his Ilk...
NC by 12
IN by 4
May 3, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spoke too soon, as it turns out. Look down.
And did Otto just disappear while you scrolled down? If so, please tell me how it works so that I can use the same technique....
May 3, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was too much to hope for, much like a Clinton victory.
May 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Best comeback of the day.
I just realized that I've clicked on the Guam Pacific Daily News site three times to see if the vote tally has been updated.
The Guam Pacific Daily News?????!@?#??$?#@
I need to leave.
May 3, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just did the same thing - boy, we are really pathetic, huh? ;)
May 3, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
In India, it is 1.15 am now... Not yet 3.00am...
Sheesh, I need to throw away my computer.
May 3, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOLOLOLOL!!!!
May 3, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton is on a roll.
Winning the double header Tuesday will close the deal.
Obama needs to quit his church to have any chance in this race to try to get the white, working class, voters but the damge is done.
May 3, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you going in circles?
May 3, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jerking in circles, more like...
May 3, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
You add a entirely new dimension to the word Putz.
May 3, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, know-it-all, read this (if you can read anything other than the worthless shit you usually read):
Title of post: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on “White Voters” Is Fiction
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1144
Here's the money quote:
God, Goatlife, I don't know what you're going to do when the hard reality of your candidate's changes (translate - they are nil) sinks in. I hope you have your meds and support system in place - it's going to be rough for you.
May 3, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carol, please buy a controlling stake in some MSM outlet, as your analysis actually constitutes news. I'll send you a check for $10 to get started...
Seriously, thank you!
May 3, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what our good friend Stephen Colbert says - "the facts have a liberal bias"! Thanks for the compliment - but all it takes is a little reading and googling, which seems to be beyond some people here LOL! ;)
May 3, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The ruralvotes people are wonderful and clear-headed and operating on scraps. They could use any spare contributions for the work they do.
May 3, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
gotal, what's the point of sending you all those memos if you're not going to read them? Your repeating the wrong talking points again:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/03/opinion/03blow.html
May 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, great minds think alike, huh?? ;)
May 3, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carol, This was also pointed out by Hilary on her post today:
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/
May 3, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I still think it's a Java script that forgot how to shut itself down.
May 3, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is that a prediction or a typo?
Fogu2 made the same prediction, but was unwilling to place a wager on it. Chickened out.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/rasmussen_obama_ahead_by_12_in_1.php#comments
How about you?
If Clinton wins both I'll take the avatar of your choosing for the rest of the month. If not, you take the avatar of my choosing for the rest of the month? So, you ready back up that claim, or are you also all talk???
May 3, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
When will y'all learn? Speak a troll's nym and it's like invoking a demon -
they invariably appear!
May 3, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
my bad...
(erase summoning circle)
May 3, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
;)
May 3, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL...they're like the Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man. Don't think of them!
May 3, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carol - this one's for you baybeeeeeeee:
(-.-)(_ _)(-.-)
I bow respectfully in your direction.
awesome awesome post.
May 3, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw, shucks! Thank you kindly, ma'am. I just call 'em as I see 'em! :)
May 3, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
My motto: "The truth shall set you free". Although, in GoatLife's case, freedom is going to come at a pretty high price for him/her, eh? ;)
May 3, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Make sure to watch MTP tomorrow to see another complete melt down.
Just in time for the double header.
Clintons wins Indiana by 10 and NC by 2.
May 3, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fiction returns?
May 3, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Were you the person who predicted a Clinton margin in PA of 30? So if you're as accurate this time ...
May 3, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, Bearpaw - that was a "typo" - isn't that the biggest load of bullshit you ever heard? That's GoatLife's "story" now - he/she hit the "3" on the keyboard instead of the "1". ROFLMAO!!! ;)
May 3, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tim Russert is too much! Has anyone ever noticed how Tim Russert looks like the Heat Miser character from, was it the "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" clay-mation Christmas Special from the early 1970s?
I'm Mister Green Christmas
I'm Mister Sun
I'm Mister Heat Blister
I'm Mister Hundred and One
They call me Heat Miser,
What ever I touch
Starts to melt in my clutch
I'm too much!
He's Mister Green Christmas
He's Mister Sun
He's Mister Heat Blister
He's Mister Hundred and One
They call me Heat Miser,
What ever I touch
Starts to melt in my clutch
He's too much!
Thank you!
I never want to see a day
That's under sixty degrees
I'd rather have it eighty,
Ninety, one hundred degrees!
(spoken)
Oh, some like it hot, but I like it
REALLY hot! Hee hee!
He's Mister Green Christmas
He's Mister Sun
Sing it!
He's Mister Heat Blister
He's Mister Hundred and One
They call me Heat Miser,
What ever I touch
Starts to melt in my clutch
I'm too much!
Too Much!
May 3, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh you did NOT go for Mr. Heat Miser!
ROFL
May 3, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Correction: "The Year Without a Santa Claus"
May 3, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Got,
Your heart doesn't seem to be in it these days. The predictions get wimpier by the day. I loved the days of PA by 20.
May 3, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of wimpy, gotalife didn't even respond to my offer of a wager (see above). Gotalife = sound and fury, signifying nothing.
May 3, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guam update (16 of 19 districts reporting):
Obama 1,420 53.3%
Clinton 1,246 46.7%
However, the two largest districts haven't come in yet. Here's the website for updates:
http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080504/NEWS01/80504014
May 3, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yay! Obama scores a ten-point, double digit win!!!
May 3, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jenn - you around? I was thinking this morning how very stupid it has been of Bill to push things like he has. If you really think about it, Bill is the one who lost us the majority. Then the DLC - the Clintons - lost us the next two presidential elections.
If you're gonna get all arrogant about what all of us owe you, Bill, you ought to understand that it's looking a lot like you really should have quit while you were still respected and people weren't remembering again.
May 3, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it is painful; Bill has been media shy recently! Payback tends to be costly.
May 3, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll tell you what I really really think has made the difference to the superdelegates the Clintons acting like mafia goons Those who have been leaned on by Bill Clinton - like Bill Richardson and Joe Andrews - have tried I think to get that message to Bill and everyone.
May 3, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
where did my punctuation go?
May 3, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember doing a lot of cringing. I recall no mandate to govern. I remember a presidential campaign that lasted 8 years. I remember a huge snit with Newt Bloddy Gingrich thet kept me out of Joshua Tree that winter.
I also remember no suicide bombs in Israel for his last 13 months in office, only to be squandered 10 minutes later by W.
I remember the complete lack of trust and respect he inspired in a majority of folks, despite real accomplishments. And thanks to the Inter-Webs, one cannot now ignore the real flaws in his character. Sen Clinton inherited these; they are the same creature.
It's not 1992, and Xerox machines cannot produce change, especially when they lie.
Pax,
M.
May 3, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, folks, it's been fun, but I have a concert to sing in tonite and I have to get ready. See y'all later! Yes! We! Can! :-)
May 3, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Project well!
May 3, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Enjoy Carol!
May 3, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yah, I'm here...I was responding to the speculation about an Obama-Bayh ticket upthread. But I agree, Bill has squandered a good deal of the good will people had for him that didn't get used up by having to defend his dumb ass for his sexual escapades. But you know, I always had some big problems with him for other reasons...I felt like his cave on "don't ask, don't tell" set the tone for the entire rest of his presidency. It was an early "tell" that he would fold under minimal pressure. He was so concerned about being liked that he wouldn't risk a few months of disapproval in order to get big important things done. He's a smart guy who a lot of times didn't push to do things the way he knew they should be done because he was more concerned about being liked.
And now I've just had it with him. He can go away yesterday.
May 3, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, it looks like the people of Guam were too smart to fall for Hillary's offer to make them full citizens. Guess they showed her. They voted for the guy who was raised on an island, just like them.
May 3, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
May you succeed in your quest for a point.
May 3, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the point is:
Obama won Guam!
May 3, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are so right.
I was just sick when he did that. And when I look back on it, he'd appoint people like Lani Guareri (sp - I can't remember anymore) and then not fight for them. Congress would say no. And he couldn't budge them, and they kept on saying it. He could not get Congress to work with him on a lot of his biggest ideas. How many judicial candidates did Congress turn down? I remember it's a big number - cause we talked about it when the Republicanss were whining about the up and down.
May 3, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shit, he folded on don't ask don't tell when he still had a Democratic Congress. Health care too. Speaking of "throwing people under the bus" (I'm sick of that phrase but it fits here) there wasn't just Lani Guinier. There was Zoe Baird. There was Joycelyn Elders. And others who I can't recall. There just wasn't much of anything or anyone he was willing to sacrifice a few approval points for. And if you think about it, that's really what got him into trouble with the whole Monica thing. If he had just owned up to it, and apologized, it would have blown over within 6 months.
May 3, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes - so true.
Lani sticks in my mind because I thought she was so brilliant. I read her vote apportioning plan and it was genius. But no one would have let her do it.
May 3, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
We now see that Don't Ask Don't Tell is Clintonian SOP. It was so mean-spirited. And then Peter Pace comes out with his hateful views on gays last year, hiding behind his "faith," which seems to be a permission slip to himself to act like a complete asshat.
The silence from the people he serves was deafaning. Any other group, and Pace would have been canned. Can't say the n-word, b-word, f-word, or c-word, but it's still kosher to pick on the phaghallers (I have yet to find a reasonable deinition of the verb "to phagal").
My sense is that a pissed off judiciary is now assembling pardon-proof (read, Feb 2009) indictments for war craimes. You daersn't tick off the lawyers. I hope the candidates will answer questions about what roles their DoJ will have in restoring the rule of law. The number of countries that will arrest these principles upon entry grows by the month. It will become an inreasing embarassment for the US.
I mean, they can't even go to bloody VERMONT!
Pax,
M.
May 3, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bad Faith and the Superdelegate
There many good reasons for Democratic superdelegates to hold off on making a decision between Senators Clinton and Obama, but the national popular vote is not one of them. Over fifty years ago Jean-Paul Sartre warned us about something he called “bad faith.” We are in “bad faith” when we are free to make a decision but convince ourselves that there is something constraining us, preventing us, from making this decision. For example, those who seek advice can be in bad faith. They say that they cannot decide until they get some good advice, knowing in advance what the advice will be.
How does this relate to the so-called popular vote? Well, if we can believe a lot of pollsters and journalists, the superdelegates really want to know what the national popular vote is going to be before they can make up their minds. Until they know, they cannot choose between Clinton and Obama. But for anyone who has seen some of the (often well intentioned) attempts to calculate the national popular vote, it should be obvious that no such total will be available.
For more, please see:
http://msa4.wordpress.com/
May 3, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mondo win in Mongmong-Toto-Maite (102-81), but heartbreak in Hagåtña (28-29).
May 3, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOLOLOLOL!!!
you are a funny puppy.
May 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Clinton’s the one who is more energetic and focused and beaming, and he’s the one who seems uneven and gauzy, often fatigued and unable to disguise being fed up with the slog. Even his speeches don’t have the same pizazz."
Maybe his huge victory in Guam will perk him up.
But it will be his last win so he might as well just drop out .
May 3, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last win? Is that a prediction? I think he wins half the remaining states.
May 3, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons must be very proud to have the undying support of Goatshite, the Racist Scumbag Aryan Nation Troll(ANT)
Here is what that pet sewer rat of the Grand Wizard wrote yesterday.
=============================================
Among the many allegations in the chain email is one about Obama’s name: “By the way. His true name is Barak Hussein Muhammed Obama. Won’t that sound sweet to our enemies as they swear him in on the Koran!” That's blatantly not true, as far as we know. But the campaign still won't release his birth certificate which
perhaps is adding fuel to the rumor."
Uh oh.
Posted by gotalife
May 2, 2008 6:19 PM
May 3, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Still waiting for you to respond to my offer of a friendly wager (above). Got spine?
May 3, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hee hee hee hoo hoo hoo....You have a million of them....please tell us to tip the waitresses on our way out.
You should play the Laughing Jackalope more often. You kill!
May 3, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Breaking:
Hillary The Furious says:
Screw Guam. It did nothing for me. If one of them even looks in the direction of Israel I will Obliterate them all.
May 3, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
haha
May 3, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently, Hillary's offer to Guamanian SDs of a brand new Toyota PRIUS is not working!
May 3, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
TWO new closing ads from Barack Obama for Indiana & N. Carolina.
They're both TWO MINUTE ads and extremely powerful:
Indiana "Minute" Closing Ad
and here is the North Carolina spot
North Carolina "Minute" Ad
May 3, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice ads = thanks for the links. You're right - powerful.
He puts it all into those short ads.
May 3, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm DaddyD, and I approve these messages.
May 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary meets her Woop-Dededo!!!!
Showdown in Dededo
Posted: 04:49 PM ET
(CNN) – The outcome of the Guam Democratic presidential caucuses will come down to the votes of one village, Dededo, the territory's largest voting precinct.
With 20 of 21 precincts reporting, Barack Obama leads the contest with 1,951 votes (52.7 percent), compared to 1,748 votes (47.2 percent) for Hillary Clinton.
Roughly 1,400 votes remain to be tallied in Dededo, about 27 percent of all votes cast in this party-run primary.
At stake are Guam's four pledged delegate votes, which will be allocated to the candidates in proportion to the percentage of the vote won once all the votes are counted.
May 3, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lordy, she's on CNN promising to end the Iraq War "with honor". She's the reincarnation of Richard Nison.
May 3, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like Hillary is windsocking about her firm withdrawal pledge. "With honor" is Bushspeak for "Stay the course"
I thought that looked like Hillary's Pantsuit I saw blowing in wind at the airport.
May 3, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you fucking kidding me? Win the war with honor? What is this now, Vietnam?
Somebody do something - she's lost her mind.
May 3, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's next? A secret plan for getting us out of there?
May 3, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bunch of elite pussies in Mongmong.
Worthless blue-bloods. I bet those rich suckers probably get blown by young gals with greasy lipstick "just because they can."
Hillary isn't an elitist. She shoots ducks like Cheney. She'll obliterate a country just like Cheney. No siree-bob. The Clintons are regular folk just like you. North Carolina hillbillies listen up! We're your type! We're working class folk. You don't need an elitist in the Oral Office screwing around.
Trust me.
Just like you always have....
May 3, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's like a glimpse inside Bill's head.
May 3, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
"That it's still too close to call is actually pretty remarkable. As of now, Clinton has defied the Obama campaign's own expectations by cutting Obama's projected margin of victory in half. We'll see how close it actually gets after Dededo reports. CNN is already talking about how this is closer than it was supposed to be, which is exactly the narrative Clinton would like to see going into Tuesday."
She wins Tuesday.
Obama is on his way out.
May 3, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon gotalife! Is my offer of a friendly wager (above) sooooooooo intimidating that you can't even respond? I mean, we're not even talking about money here.
May 3, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, Obama trolls are intellectually dishonest and can't even admit playing the race card with a doctored video.
No thanks.
May 3, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Changed subject, eh? You chicken?
Put up or shut up, as they say. What's the harm? Only a troll would have a problem giving up it's avatar for a month. So, you gonna strap on a set, or be a weenie?
May 3, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
man, you (and CNN) are so desperate for her to be the nominee. To bad it's been over for 2 months already.
May 3, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
From the NY Times:
Obama Solid With White Voters, Clinton Not So Much With Black Voters
DemFromCT over at DK has a lot more:May 3, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have been in the best mood for two solid days.
I think it's almost over, peeps! I do.
May 3, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me, too. The early voting, plus IN is no PA.
NC by 12
IN by 4
May 3, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Bill Clinton visits key N.C. constituencies
Self-described "rural hitman" plans to visit nine eastern North Carolina towns on Monday."
Yep, it over for Obama.
May 3, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Troll alert. Watch out for the Goatshite!
May 3, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Goatlife does drop a lot of pellets on these threads, don't he?
May 3, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought he was a she?
May 3, 2008 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're sending him to small towns where he won't inflict as much damage on the Clinton campaign.
May 3, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh huh.
May 3, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I want that wager (above) with you, gotalife. Or, shall we just call you "gotnospine"?
May 3, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lets see how honest you are.
Is this Obama playing the race card again and a lying fraud?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEuNIUb3Ges
May 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm perfectly willing to discuss the video with you on a different thread, but you're still changing the subject. Are you gonna pony up and stand by your words or not?
Don't change the subject.
You said Clinton would win both Indiana and NC on Tuesday. I'm giving you an opportunity to show how much you really believe in your own words.
Don't change the subject.
Can you do it? It's just a temporary avatar change. You can't, can you? Or, does your avatar mean more to you than your words?
Don't change the subject.
You're all bluff and bluster... sound and fury signifying NOTHING. Or, if you disagree, prove me wrong and accept the wager.
Don't change the subject.
May 3, 2008 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can't be trusted.
No thanks.
May 3, 2008 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Changed the subject again, chicken. We could figure out a way to hold each other to the deal, but you just don't want to do it.
I'd give up my avatar, but you won't. You're the one who doesn't believe in your own words - you're the one who can't be trusted.
Boo!
Did I scare you again?
May 3, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is why I maintain gotalife is an errant computer program, a haunting in Java. It will not engage in debate; cannot, rather, as such was not anticipated by its adolescent programmer.
More likley a paid GOP hack. If it is not paid, its tragedy runs to unfathomable depths.
Pax,
M.
May 3, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you hear that the HRC surrogate who was sent out to talk up her gas tax pander turned out to be an oil company lobbyist? Eek. Bad move.
May 3, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
The all-Bill show certainly went over well in South Carolina.
Oh, wait.
May 3, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I noticed some people mentioning Obama's speech last night. I came accross a video and though I would post a link for those interested
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYmtgO7Hx3I
May 3, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
WOW!!!!!What a speech! No politician is even in the same league as this guy! Thanks for the link.
May 3, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that Hillary is in complete pander mode, shall we expect her to suspend all taxes, starting with the estate tax? How about no capital gains tax? Is she going to start blaming unions for all the ills of society? That should bring the Rush Limbaugh crowd out to vote for her en masse.
I am so glad that Hillary is doing this, it shows she was a Republican in Dems clothing all along. Just like her husband was. It is a worthwhile spectacle to watch her pander for Republicans to cross over to vote for her, while she leaves her Democratic Party defenders to watch in horror as she exposes herself to be the Republican she always was.
How amazing it is to watch The Clinton Machine stripped bare to show at its core value: winning at any cost to party or country
May 3, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
You don't go far enough. Hillary is going to promise free gasoline -- for the white working class.
May 3, 2008 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which just happens to be the core value of the Bush Republicans.
Yep - for years I have had friends on boards tell me over and over that Clinton was the "best Republican president" we've had, and I defended him for years. What a fool I've been. Man.
May 3, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aye, aye...it shows the folly of attempting to hold one's nose while one votes. I was snookered twice. We were not beset with anything better.
Not this time.
May 3, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama may lose Guam.
He is ahead by 200 votes but the largest and last village is being counted now.
Upset.
May 3, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
You realize it's going to be a 2/2 split, right?
May 3, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes but is was a predicted blow out for Obama.
Upset like NC will be.
May 3, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
chirpity chirp
show us you believe in your own words... back it up with the wager
May 3, 2008 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wrong. Obama's own prediction (from the leaked spreadsheet) was a 2-2 split. Looks like he'll get 4 of the 5 super delegates, so he'll outperform there.
May 3, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
chicken
chirp chirp
May 3, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, he/she doesn't understand the process at all.
"delegate" doesn't get through. It's vote or nothing
[complex ideas seem to defeat gotalife]
May 3, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
It just continues to go downhill for Oilbama.
May 3, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you are not going around in circles, is the problem now between up and down?
May 3, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Acute optical retalitis has that exact effect.
May 3, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You misspelled his name.
May 3, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
scratch and peck my little chicken
May 3, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
What you Obama trolls do not get is that Oilbama has a Republican attitude. After all, aren't Republicans the ones that adamantly insist that shifting tax breaks from corporations to ordinary Americans will cost jobs? I am sure I have heard them say that at least 100 times in my lifetime. At a minimum. Maybe this is one of the things Obama admires about Republicans that he didn't tell Chris Wallace. Because now that he is a millionaire he believes that us lesser folk should be able to live on the scraps that the elite leave behind for us. Oilbama manages to distort the purpose of the tax holiday and twist it around to make it appear as if Hillary is doing this to reward Big Oil. And there can only be one reason for doing that. He doesn't want the people of Indiana to realize how well financed he is by BIG OIL. And he sure doesn't want them to remember that it was him that voted for the Bush-Cheney-Oilbama Energy Bill that gave these huge profits to BIG OIL to begin with. Oilbama belittle's the proposal because in his opinion Congress is not going to act to help the people of Indiana and across America. So what does this say of his well known claims that he is the best experienced person to bring people together to get beyond partisanship and Washington as usual politics? Because Washington as usual politics lets all hell break loose before doing a single thing to correct it. Just where is Senator Obama's leadership and mythical skills he claims every single day to possess? They sure aren't being applied to helping ordinary Americans cope with this horrible economy and toothless Congress.
Oilbama's wife, judging by her thesis in school, and we know Rev Wright and Ayers are. At least Oilbama's friend and money man Rezco seems to hate everyone equally as he is a slumlord in Oilbama's district, funny how he turned off his tenants heat last Winter because he was short of money but had plenty enough to help Oilbama buy his house. I am suprised Oilbama just did not ask Exxon for some extra loot when they gave him his money bag that month. Oilbama lived in Chicago, is there any legitimate reason, besides cash, he stood with Cheney? I mean there are not a lot of oil workers or oil business in his district. It is the reason gas is so high in the first place and Hillary has to try to help. Oilbama politics as usual. Has Oilbama held one meeting yet in the commitee he is chairman of? Of course not, so why did he take the leadership position. Oilbama is THE empty suit of all time.
May 3, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, do you have a recommendation for a tailor?
May 3, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yawn. Willing to make any predictions about this Tuesday? Your friends all flew the coop.
May 3, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
*yawn*
Was wondering when your rock would turn over.
That you are reduced to focusing on oil demonstrates you have not been listening. Oil is so 20th century. You do not get that Big Oil's days on this earth are now numbered, and this last grab at wealth and power was its last hurrah. No new refinieries gives it away.
It will all be over soon. You and gotalife can then relax, take a stroll, and have a nice picnic.
Pax,
M.
May 3, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
He is bought and paid for.
Probably switch to the gop after losing.
May 3, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awwwwwww.......did we let a victory in Guam crap in our Cheerios?
You are a coward.
May 3, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
We could wager on that too, little chicken. Chirp, chirp!
May 3, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
First you guys claim that he's too liberal, then you complain that he's a Republican, then he's too liberal, then he's a Republican. Could you all just get together at the local Piggly-Wiggly and get your stories straight?
May 3, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!! 50 points for a reference to The Pig!! :)
May 4, 2008 1:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cheer up.
He won Guam.
May 3, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
* chirp *
May 3, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
It won't debate you with any honor. I do not believe it is capable of doing so.
May 3, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know. It won't even go with a straight up, public wager. Says it can't trust me. If it had any shred of conviction at all it would be willing to pit those convictions against mine. It can't or won't, and proves it to be a fraud.
May 3, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
What to share any math delegate computations?
May 3, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Want! But, this may not be a problem as the numbers do not fit well........
May 3, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
2 for Clinton 2 for Oilbama.
May 3, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's what I've been saying all day, chirpy. My predictions good. Yours? "Typos."
chirp
May 3, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
He has the nomination.
President Obama.
Get used to it.
May 3, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which is a big loss for Hillary since she needs to win all the primaries and caucuses with around 75% to catch up. She should have won 3 delegates to his 1. Another failure for Hillary.
May 3, 2008 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just as the spreadsheet predicted.
May 4, 2008 8:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I imagine they'll be drag-racing their limousines in celebration.
May 3, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, BO won Guam by votes.
http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080504/NEWS01/80504018
May 3, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
BO won Guam by seven votes
http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080504/NEWS01/80504018
May 3, 2008 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
will anyone be surprise if HRC wants a revote?
May 3, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Probably not.
7 seven votes.
Wow.
May 3, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
chirp
May 3, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Breaking:
Hiallary The Furious,
Canceled her Victory Flight to Guam.
Now says: Screw Guam, Bill. It did nothing for us. It makes me want to Obliterate all those Judas like O'Guamians.
May 3, 2008 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama's appeal to working-class whites faltering, polls show":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080503/ap_on_el_pr/obama_working_class_whites;_ylt=AtZBiyX_PwDkqBek_XcwYjsDW7oF
It is all over but your whining.
May 3, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
chirpity yawn
May 3, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
NY Times says different.
Back to even in Gallup.
The wind is at his back.
President Obama.
Get used to it.
May 3, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll see your Yahoo bullshit (that is already cold)
and raise you Slate:
http://www.slate.com/id/2190556
May 3, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's a guy gotado to make a wager around here? My goodness! Isn't their one single freaking troll willing to back their words with a simple public wager? How painful can it be to actually stand by the words you write? Gotatypo won't. Rae, silence. Dembillc, nada. Fogu2, zilch.
DaddyD 4, trolls 0.
Calling all trolls! WHO'S NEXT?!?!
May 3, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I tried. I tried several times.
I was told with great hauteur that gotalife declines to make wagers with money.
;)
May 3, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
It wasn't for money. It was for a temporary avatar change for the remainder of the month. How bad is that?
May 3, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, I'll wager. If Obama has 2025 delgates on June 4th I'll post with an Obama avatar with a crown on his head. If not, you post a gravestone with is name on it.
Deal?
May 3, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs less than 42% of the remaining delegates--pledged and super--to reach 2025. And the super delegates are swarming to him. Better start Photoshopping your new avatar.
May 3, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's not the bet. Don't change the deal. You either stand by your words or you don't.
See the rest of my response downthread.
May 3, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Will history repeat itself?
Earlier in the week, HRC told the voters in KY:
"Wish I could be here for the Derby. ... I hope everyone's going to place a little money on the filly," a reference perhaps to horse Eight Belles and herself.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/02/analysis-momentum-obamas-_n_99783.html
As it turns out, Eight Belles finished second in the Kentucky Derby losing to Big Brown, and then was euthanized on the track because of 2 broken ankles.
May 3, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I feel guilty LOLing about a horse's death, but that was poetically funny.
May 3, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guam? You're kidding me. Good for BoBo. He broke his losing streak!
Clinton still leads in the popular vote. The delegate delta remains just over 70. Well within reach at the convention.
On to the real show.....a series of Clinton wins leading up to the convention. And of course the next Obama scandal.
May 3, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can you read?
http://www.slate.com/id/2190556
read this.
It's 2 pages. It's very clear - she has about as much chance in hell as well - there isn't any chance in hell.
Read it.
May 3, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The best comes first:
"Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen."
—former President Bill Clinton, Jan. 11, 2008.
May 3, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
His losing streak of...one?
May 3, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your back! Cool. You wanna take me up on the wager I offered earlier today? You claimed Clinton would win both IA and NC. Back it up.
You win, I adopt an avatar of your choosing for the remainder of the month. If Clinton doesn't win both, I win, and I choose your avatar for the remainder of the month.
You ready to stand by your prediction???
I'll check back later.