Poll: Key Hillary Constituencies Moving Towards Obama
The latest national numbers from Gallup show some startling movement towards Obama among Dems who have been among Hillary's most reliable supporters.
It finds that Obama is now tied with Hillary among whites (47%-47%); leads her among women (49%-46%); edges her among Dems with a high school graduate or less (46%-47%); and leads her among Hispanics (51%-44%).
Those groups, obviously, have been the bedrock of Hillary's candidacy. The only major demographic group that Hillary gets 51% or more of are women aged 50 and older.
These numbers suggest that Obama's support is broadening daily, and that the party's rank and file -- in addition to its institutional players -- appear to be coalescing behind him.















They are Democrats, and the idea of a McCain Presidency scares the crap out of them.
May 20, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
interesting how Voters wishes are irrelevant
to Obama supporters.
May 20, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Making as much sense as usual i see. Voters' wishes to Bomb Iran? Enlighten us as to which assuredly droll point you were trying to make there. Please.
May 20, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Present - let's cut it out and try to unify for a change.
Seriously. I've been one of the worst offenders on this posting, and I'm putting an end to my more vitriolic postings.
We Democrats (assuming you are one - fine if you're not) have WAY more in common with each other than McCain supporters. Yes, I'm not happy Clinton didn't get the nod - but let's be realistic for a change. Do you want to see the United States get driven straight off the cliff by the right, or do something to stop them?
I'm standing firm on this. If Hillary isn't the nominee (yes - the math is damning), I'm supporting Obama. This is simply too serious to get sectarian about.
May 20, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I figured it out! There's a space in front of this fogu's name.
But, it's all good. 'Cuz I like you better!
Party on, Fogu!
May 20, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's not it. I used the fogu2 name in another thread just to make a point. All you have to do is change your screen name. We could all have the same name if we wanted.
May 20, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
That doesn't even make any sense.
May 20, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rather they are against the idea of a 3rd Bush term, whether they are Democrats or not really doesn't matter.
May 20, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw Greg - you just are determined to make my day, aren't you?
Yay!!!!!!!
I keep experiencing the Bush Effect - no matter what is winding someone up these days, you can steer them right off of that and right onto Bush in about 45 seconds flat.
Just mention his name.
May 20, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alright... you guys win. I just sent $50 to the Obama campaign. Anyone care to match me?
May 20, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm guessing that's a joke.
May 20, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
None of us want a Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade, right? None of us want drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. None of us want more money in the hands of corporations and working class people who can't afford health insurance. And I don't think a war with Iran is going to help anyone. It's time we come together as a party.
May 20, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
In all sincerity, thank you, gotalife. Glad to have you on board.
May 20, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
speechless... cudos.
May 20, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
WTF??? You're kidding right?
May 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, gotalife.
May 20, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
...Okay, who hacked gotalife's account? :P
May 20, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm skeptical about the syntax. Likewise, gotalife complained about logon problems in the previous post. I do however hope I am wrong.
May 20, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
As soon as I get home, in your honor.
Thank you.
May 20, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't do it for me. Do it because we need to come together and beat McCain.
May 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome (back?) to the Reality-based Community.
May 20, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just fell off my chair.
May 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bittersweet news for Gotawife, Goatlife, Togalife, and all the other derivatives. I propose a meeting/retrospective at the inauguration in January. C-Span 2 material.
May 20, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you aren't frontin, then maybe you are a real person. If that's the case: hello.
Thanks.
May 20, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good Lord, this moment deserves a post of its own on TPM's front page. I'm bookmarking this thread right now to come back to whenever I have doubts in the near future about the party coming back together after this long primary.
In all sincerity gotalife, thanks and welcome on board.
May 20, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy crap! Okay, $50 it is! Donated in Gotalife's honor.
May 20, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I salute you, gotalife. If you were in the room with me, I'd shake your hand and tearfully apologize for the mean things I said about you.
I'll throw in $50, but first -- can anyone confirm for me that the money would go toward general election expenses? I seem to recall reading that primary donations and GE donations are kept separate. Maybe I'm wrong. My thoughts have been that Obama has got enough money for the primary. What we need to do is get millions towards fighting McCain.
May 20, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
For once in my life I am speechless.
Welcome aboard.
May 20, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we all need to realize that this is bigger than the candidates. This is about the issues that effect us, our children, someday our grandchildren. Some of the decisions that the Republicans are making can't be undone.
May 20, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who are you, and what have you done with gotalife?
Does this mean the haiku-like posts are gone?
May 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't be fooled!
I think it's safe to say that this is not the real gotalife, since if you click on gotalife's name
in this thread, you get a very new account with postings strictly limited to this thread. However if you click the real gotalife's profile you will see all the nonsense the troll has been posting for months now, with none of the recent turnaround. The new, fake gotalife is rather clever, as I can't distinguish from the URL to the real gotalife's profile and this imposter's. I'm sure someone can figure out how the imposter's spoof works.
May 20, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's try that again with what I hope to be proper html (damn I wish we could edit, or at least preview, our posts):
Don't be fooled!
I think it's safe to say that this is not the real gotalife, since if you click on gotalife's name
in this thread, you get a very new account with postings strictly limited to this thread. However if you click the real gotalife's profile you will see all the nonsense the troll has been posting for months now, with none of the recent turnaround. The new, fake gotalife is rather clever, as I can't distinguish from the URL to the real gotalife's profile and this imposter's. I'm sure someone can figure out how the imposter's spoof works.
May 20, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are right, too good to be true I suppose, not that it matters, but this person is gotaIife, it is an I not a L. It is a fake.
I knew it seemed to crazy to be real. Oh well, it was nice to think for a second that logic could reach everyone.
May 20, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "L" is an "I"
May 20, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
IoI!
May 20, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even if that's true, let's just enjoy the ride...
May 20, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I will insist that this is the real gotalife, and if another comes along to spew the same old haikus, then I will demand to know who hijacked the real, now-Obama-loving, gotalife.
May 20, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
truer words have rarely been written.
May 20, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome aboard. =)
May 20, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm stunned, but welcome aboard! Can you change the Obama koolaid picture now? :P
May 20, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why? If this is a true change of heart it just means he finally drank some of our Kool-Aid!
May 20, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for recognizing this, in contrast to the divisive "Hillary Can Count Too" pro-McCain group.
May 20, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
GotALife!! No way!!
I mean, that's great for the Party, and I'm glad and all...but, okay, I'll just say it...not as much fun.
I like shittin' with ya!
But, good for you.
May 20, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who are you and what have you done with the real TROLL GOATLIFE?????Don`t tell me you have joined McCain?
May 21, 2008 1:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good God.
Check the skies for comets. The End must be near!
May 20, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
GOTALIFE DONATING TO OBAMA IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR...
May 20, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
....HILLARY?!?
May 20, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
PROGRESSIVES!!!
May 20, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matthew Weaver?
May 20, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
for no one. This is an imposter... a clever one.
May 20, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why do you hate America?
May 20, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I, for one, am having trouble downing that big cup of Gotalife-has-converted-to-Obama Kool-Aid. It tastes funny. Funny strange, not funny ha ha.
But if it's true, s/he will be welcomed, and her/his doggedness and zeal enthusiastically redirected to the common foe, who is going to be thrashed this Fall.
May 20, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love it when people channel my mom. That was one of her favorite expressions and I don't hear or see many others use it - she usually put it: funny peculiar, not funny ha ha - but it's the same.
thanks.
:)
May 20, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a hoax. Rollover his user name and you can see that this is not our old pal, but an imposter - gotaIife. The capital "I" comes across as a lowercase "l" in the username.
Had me for a minute. At least I donated $50 bucks to Obama...
May 20, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad this is gotaIife and not gotalife (capital I instead lowercase ell)...
May 20, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm good for another $50. Thanks for coming around.
May 20, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I will, but you have to write the challenge in Haiku.
May 20, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
woohoo! fight the divisiveness of Hillary, Ferraro and Co!
May 20, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry McBush
Party's Over!
May 20, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Politico:
Clint Eastwood feels 'sorry' for Clinton
By JEFFREY RESSNER | 5/20/08 12:57 PM EST
Hillary Rodham Clinton, you’ve got a friend in Dirty Harry.
Though a longtime follower of John McCain — dating back to the Arizona senator’s 2000 run against George W. Bush in the GOP primary — Clint Eastwood thinks Clinton deserves some serious respect. And enough already with the calls for her to quit.
“Everybody’s trying to talk her into folding, but it doesn’t seem like the spirit of Americana,” Eastwood told Politico before heading to France’s Cannes Film Festival, where his period kidnapping drama “Changeling,” starring Angelina Jolie, had its world premiere Tuesday.
“Put yourself in the place of [Clinton]: You’ve gone out there and made a thousand speeches, and you’ve shaken a million hands and you’ve been out there working your ass off,” Eastwood said. “And then somebody comes up and says, ‘Why don’t you just drop out of it?’”
The actor/director/producer/jazz aficionado — who had his own brush with politics as mayor of Carmel, Calif. — said Clinton’s fortunes could change: Barack Obama could trip over himself again, as he did with the controversies over his association with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Obama’s remarks about working-class voters clinging to their religion and guns.
“I watch Clinton and feel kind of sorry for her and wonder, ‘What are all these people telling her to run away for?’” Eastwood said. “She’s showing her strength by hanging in there.”
May 20, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right on Clint! After all, even Karl Rove says she's more electable. And Pat Buchanan likes her too!
Hmmm. Think there's a pattern here?
May 20, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
How patronizing!
May 20, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I mean, really. If she were a man, would Clint Eastwood be patting her on the head? That's okay, Hillary, you can run as long as you want! No, thanks, Clint. Gross.
May 20, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I always look to Clint Eastwood for my political opinions and my moral compass.
O indeed - Hollywood = America's Acropolis.
May 20, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I dare say Clint Eastwood's views have affected more people in this country than those of a sheister from Texas.
May 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Forgive me sweetie....I meant shyster.
May 20, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's time we admit that what's best for the party would be if we all came together.
May 20, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fuck you Gotalife!
I am not longer a fan!
May 20, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not asking for fans. All I want is a decent future. I'm tired of feeling beaten down by my own country.
May 20, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can be Fogu's fan.
Timidly tiptoeing away now...
May 20, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that's funny, right there ... :)
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Obama/Landrieu '08!
May 20, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn! Our sleuths went and blew his cover.
Relax, GotALifeFan, this guy's an imposter. Your true GotALife is unchanged and just not present at the moment.
Fun ruse, though, eh?
May 20, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
True. And I appreciate your spirit.
But I still believe that Obama is a liability in the general. I want a Dem in the White House. I cannot at this point agree that Obama is the best way to go. If Clinton concedes I will reconsider. But I have serious doubts about both his ability to win and to lead as president.
May 20, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
The real liability in the general is us if we keep dividing the party on superficial things like Jeremiah Wright and Rezko. None of that stuff matters. What matters is the issues and whether we like it or not, Obama's the one representign what we generally want.
May 20, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had posters of Clint Eastwood hanging on my wall when I was 15. I've long been a fan. BUT, I only want him for his Man With No Name. He can check his politics at the swinging saloon door.
May 20, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I for one am startled!
Not really, after many years of Rebulican control over congress and then the Bush years, I think the American people wan't nothing to do with Republicans.
Really, the question is, what will Democrats do with the power? Will it be more of the same, or will we see a move back towards what truly made America great: liberal and progressive ideas, honest open debate, open gov't.
I can't wait to see.
May 20, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can I be tiresome and point something out?
The Democrats held the majority in this country for 40 years. The Republicans took it via Clinton. They have had it for 14 years now and have fucked everything up so hopelessly beyond recognition that Democrats should get ourselves right the hell back to being used to Winning.
We won for 40 years. They only had it for 14 and ruined themselves.
Time to stand up and tell them to sit the fuck down and shut the hell up for awhile. America is sick to death of the Republicans.
May 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm hoping the power shift causes the Republican Party to reexamine themselves, because their policies have really gone astray from whatever principles they once aspired to. For this system of ours to work well, we need two well-run parties keeping each other honest.
May 20, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you and I play comments tag on this issue yesterday? I agree with you - one party systems make me nervous.
But it's going to take a total meltdown before they do anything - that's too obvious. They are running the Bush-approved candidate as if he is George Bush. There are still plenty of Bush Republicans in Congress - like John Cornyn.
They don't give any indication that they realize how badly off they are - they still use the same tactics and the same fucking talking points.
About the only way they might get their point across now would be to stage a terrorist attack. I don't believe they will cause I don't think they could stage a fireworks show for the Lion's Club in Truth or Consequences, New Mexico.
May 20, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
And on that note there are fair-minded people who think that a large part of the reason the Reps caused so much havoc is that the Congress was Rep for Bush's first term.
Those same people reasonably fear a Dem Congress with a Dem president. Same problem to the other extreme.
May 20, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thats funny...i ACTUALLY did send $50.00 to Obama today!
I am at $400.00 and hope to hit $1000.00 before the Democratic convention.
Then I hope to do another $1,000 before the general.
For a teacher, I have to really scrape money together to do this...but Barack Obama inspires me THAT much.
I am also going to start donating to the DNC as soon as Hillary throws her support to Obama and the Superdelegates put him over the top!
May 20, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
And SUSA shows Barack 8 points over McSame in Pennsylvania.
Trust me, Ohio will turn to Barack Obama once the Dem state officeholders, Gov. Srtrickland, et al., gets behind him.
May 20, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am, of course, delighted to read this, but I guess that I have a hard time getting excited about one Gallup poll. I need to see more findings along the same line before I am willing to believe these results.
May 20, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
everyone start stocking up on the canned goods because Hell's about to freeze over!
May 20, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting results in today's Gallup poll. But Hillary still does slightly better against McCain. So the poll probably indicates that most see Obama as the eventual nominee, but more believe Hillary would beat McCain. This is also what Carl Rove's electoral map projections show.
May 20, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a serious question, Otto.
Do you really believe Karl Rove is concerned with the best interests of the Democratic party?
May 20, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
As one of the Obama advisors said, a Democrat taking campaign advice from Karl Rove is like getting medical advice from a funeral home director.
May 20, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Judging from that SUSA Pennsylvania poll on the right, there may even be a few bitter voters switching over.
The Hillary concern troll candidacy argument is not withstanding the test of time.
May 20, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reasons for Hillary Clinton Supporters to Vote for McCain
1) Health Care
The McCain Health Care Plan provides a $2500 tax credit for singles and a $5000 tax credit for families. It also removes tax incentives for businesses to provide medical insurance.
If you believe that telling people to ‘go get your own insurance’ is a better plan than Obama’s plan, you should vote for McCain. If you believe that a family, with or without preexisting medical conditions, can get quality health care insurance for $5000 a year, you should vote for McCain. If you believe that a family, that does not have a tax bill of $5000 to be credited, can get quality medical insurance for even less than $5000, you should vote for McCain.
2) Social Security
The McCain Social Security plan is basically a rehash of Bush’s Privatization, while denying that it is privatization. It calls for ‘younger’ workers to pay less Social Security and Medicare taxes and to put that into ‘Private Accounts’.
If you believe that telling people to ‘go get your own retirement’ is a better plan, you should vote for McCain. If you believe that the American workers would be better off if Bush’s plan had been implemented six years ago, you should vote for McCain.
3) War
The McCain plan for Iraq is continuing war. The McCain plan for Iran is “bomb, bomb, bomb…”. The McCain plan is to continuing killing Iraqis and having our military continue dying until we achieve (an undefined) win.
If you believe that war is peace, you should vote for McCain.
If you believe that ‘the only good raghead is a dead raghead’, you should vote for McCain.
If you believe that war should be the first option, rather than diplomacy, you should vote for McCain.
4) Women’s Reproductive Rights
McCain has proclaimed that his ideas of quality nominees to the Supreme Court are Scalia, Alito, and Roberts.
If you believe that men should decide on what medical care options are available for women, you should vote for McCain.
If you want to see Griswold vs. Connecticut (the real goal of the hardcore Right-To-Lifers) overturned, you should vote for McCain.
May 20, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
.....and if you believe that the solution to pay inequities is more training and education for women, then you should vote for John MCain.
May 20, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great post...you should write it up as a blog!
May 20, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
it's not a matter of some Hillary supporters backing obama; it's a matter of how many... clearly, at least half of her supporters will vote for obama, but if the other half is hardened against him, then he'll probably have trouble, especially since the half that doesn't vote for him might be in some key swing states.
polls like this gallup one is worthless unless you know where those hillary supporters vote...
May 20, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kensdad: I'll assure you, in four months no one will be talking about Hillary effect.
Too much is at stake. Obama does have his vulnerabilities and there will be more twists and turns this season But in 4 months time the destiny and the direction of this race will have lot less to do with Hillary and a lot more to do with other variables.
Three or four months mean quite a few generations. This Hillary affect is rather over blown.
E.g.,if situation worsens any further in Iraq or reports of U.S. casualities increase, gas Hikes to 4.50 Hillary will be last thing on people's minds
May 20, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
thank you for your assurance, kash... i agree that "events" will be very important, but there are a lot of moving parts. how this nomination process is concluded will be important and will determine the degree of the "hillary effect" (as you call it)... i wouldn't be so quick to write it off.
May 20, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary herself will have a lot of control over how the "Hillary Effect" plays out. If she campaigns sincerely for him, then the vast majority of her supporters will come over.
A few never will - the folks over at Hillaryis44 talk about trying to undermine Obama so Hillary can run in 2012 - but there's always a fringe. I suspect there's an equivalent fringe of McCain-haters over on the right.
I think it's pretty clear that the Obama campaign and all the major players in the party want this campaign to end gracefully and with at least the appearance of amity. So, the question is, how will Hillary play the endgame?
May 20, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
That last line is a very good point. I am frequently annoyed with national polls for precisely that reason - we do not elect our president based on a single, national election, so why take a poll premised on the idea that we do. California (for instance) is so large that if the democratic expands his lead from 10% to 25%, it can show up as a perceptible shift in the national average. For all that, however there is no bonus prize for carrying a state by 25% instead of 10%. One gets the same number of electoral votes from the state one way or the other.
If Hispanics in FL (for instance) are drifting more towards Obama, that is big news. If, on the other hand, the movement among Hispanics in this poll simply means that Mexican-Americans in IL will go for Obama by a margin of 8 to 1 instead of 4 to 1 then this really means nothing in the end because Obama would carry IL anyway.
May 20, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, but I have to ask, who did the hardening? Taking offense is one of the easiest things to do. Playing to prejudices ranks up there just about as highly.
In my view, it was Hillary who dug the trenches and hardened her base so as to keep them from dispersing to Obama. The strategy worked to solidify her base, but it didn't win her any new support. Now, even though the pundits say that Obama has the problem of softening Hillary's base, I'd argue that the key for that is in the hand of the one who hardened it in the first place: Hillary. Unfortunately, her legion is still hardening the base, making fallacious cries of sexism and misogyny when they should be rallying all Democrats. It is a sorry thing to see.
Obama will just keep on going on. Hillary, I suspect, will just keep on injecting prejudice and division. Bill has been doing the same. Apparently its bad to have a college degree and a job now. I just don't get where the Clintons are going anymore, but its been depressing to watch. Hopefully they will change their tune soon, as they hold the key to the hearts of their voters.
May 20, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
does obama hold the key to the hearts of his supporters? if so, then why didn't he race to the defense of the clintons when they were being charged with racism (as he did for joe biden when he made the "clean, articulate" comment)? is it now hillary's responsibility as the "presumptive loser of the democratic nomination" to clear obama's campaign of all charges of sexism (or benign neglict thereof) while obama as the now "presumptive nominee" owes nothing to the clintons who are clearly not racist, but charged as such and disliked by many obama supporters? just wonderin'...
May 20, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did McCain Create an HDTV Monster?The technology he helped bring to market could kill his candidacy.
http://www.slate.com/id/2191704/
Excerpt from the article:
Then, this past weekend, I watched Saturday Night Live with my kids. McCain appeared in close-up in a mildly amusing skit whose purpose (at least from McCain's perspective) was to remove the age issue from voters' minds by turning it into a joke. It worked for Ronald Reagan in 1984; why shouldn't it work for McCain in 2008? With me, though, it had the exact opposite effect. As someone who'd pooh-poohed the age issue, I found myself gasping at McCain's mug as transmitted in glorious HDTV. Wrinkles, blotches, liver spots, scarry tissue—none of these were hidden by McCain's makeup. As McCain cracked wise ("What do we want in our next president? Certainly someone who is very, very, very old."), I found myself thinking, Jeez, he doesn't look like a guy who'll turn 72 this August. He looks like a guy who'll turn 82. (Note to reader: The link I provide to the SNL skit won't give you any sense of what I'm talking about, because the clip isn't high-definition.)
May 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok Gotalife...
I am so glad to see your reasonable decision that the greater issues should rule our vote. Barack is my first choice...I would have voted for Hillary over McCain.
I would love your perspective on a running mate for Barack Obama. Your opinion on the leading contenders...their plus and minus points.
Here are the people I'd love your opinion on... Clinton, Strickland, Nunn, Rendell, Sebilius, Webb, Biden, Richardson, Edwards. Add anyone you would like.
Right now I am personally leaning toward Strickland with Sebilius and Clinton close behind. I was thinking Rendell for a while... but with polling showing Obama doing well in PA...I don't think we "need" him to pull that state. I also think Strickland could absolutely bring Ohio to the Dems....(it's been a while since a VP actually BROUGHT a state to the Electoral Vote.)
I look forward to your ideas and comments! I am actually really excited to engage you now that we are on the same team... the DEMOCRATIC TEAM!
May 20, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Obama's going to need someone older, someone's who's tough, someone who can be an attack dog. I tend to feel that he won't choose Clinton though.
Besides, having someone who's a Catholic could help. Sebellius maybe? (Or maybe someone with military experience like Anthony Zinni?)
May 20, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the likelihood of a Hillary VP is not great. BUT, what I think would be a great gesture by Obama is to make her something tantamount to "health care czar". They're going to have to work out some of the mandate issues - but at least this way Hillary will be able to deliver on a promise to the American people.
I think we probably will need a VP candidate strong on Nat. security - because I am increasingly concerned about W launching some sort of strike against Iran come September/October. I think Webb is great, though I worry about losing his senate seat. Zinni is another gret choice.
May 20, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sad news over the wire:
Sen. Ted Kennedy has been diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor.
May 20, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just saw that. Geez...
May 20, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, sad.
May 20, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is very sad. I will keep him and his family in my prayers.
May 20, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
O man.
awgod - that's tragic.
May 20, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had a feeling...so sorry to hear it. Thanks for sharing it, Buckeye.
May 20, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carol - I adore you, so I'm asking for a personal favor: if you ever get a feeling about me (and I believe in feelings - they run in the women in my family) please don't tell me.
:)
May 20, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
You got it! ;)
May 20, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, is this where Terry and Wolfie come out and say again and again "We don't believe in polls.........................unless they favor Hillary...shhhhhhhhhhh."??????
May 20, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I now believe anyone from the Hillary camp can come over to support Obama. I had previously believed gotalife was beyond coming together, but I was wrong, my mistake.
WooHoo for Democrats in November!!
May 20, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think a few stragglers -- such as fogu2, supra, and Geraldine Ferraro -- still urgently need enlightenment. But the prodigal ones are the most cherished when they come home.
May 20, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reverse Robin Hood Why is John McCain wrong on health care? Think credit cards.
http://www.slate.com/id/2191699/
Excerpt from the article:
McCain argues that different states' regulations "prevent the best companies, with the best plans and lowest prices, from making their product available to any American who wants it." Although he hasn't given details, his supporters say that he favors an approach, endorsed by President Bush and championed by McCain's Arizona colleague John Shadegg, that would allow insurers to choose the state laws under which they are regulated. (I e-mailed the campaign about the specifics of McCain's approach and didn't hear back.) An insurance company that chose to be regulated under Arizona law could sell policies in New York without following New York rules. Arizona, like most states, lets companies charge what they want to people who are sick—or simply deny them coverage altogether. Under Shadegg's bill, insurers wouldn't even need to pick up and move their operations; it would be enough to file some paperwork with a state insurance commissioner and pay that state's relevant taxes.
If enacted, this proposal would cause a shift along the lines seen in the credit-card industry. Like the Citibank of old, New York insurers would have little incentive to continue doing business under New York's laws. Insurance companies can make bigger profits by offering different policies to different people based on separate assessments of risk rather than charging everyone the same, as a state like New York requires. An insurer operating under Arizona law would be able to offer healthy New Yorkers a cheaper policy than an insurer working under New York law that has to price policies the same for everyone.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? In the credit-card industry, there's a pretty decent argument that the old usury laws restricted access to credit, even among people who needed it and could use it well. And competition among card issuers has led to a proliferation of rewards programs—frequent-flyer miles, hotel discounts—that work nicely for people who pay their bills in full and on time. There's also a classic libertarian argument for deregulating credit cards: MasterCard never put a gun to anybody's head.
The problem is that without consumer protections, companies use pricing practices, like teaser rates, to attract cash-strapped families and then slap those families with interest rates of 35 percent or higher plus penalties of $35 a month. Rates can double or triple without notice, even if you never miss a payment. Credit-card use and bankruptcy rose together for years (until the 2005 federal bankruptcy legislation), and last year, banks made $40 billion in plastic profits. For families drowning in debt (often from health expenses, by the way), a credit card may be the only life raft—but in the memorable words of Elizabeth Warren and Amelia Tyagi, authors of The Two-Income Trap, the raft turns out to be made of cement.
May 20, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for recognizing this, in contrast to the divisive "Hillary Can Count Too" pro-McCain group.
May 20, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
BOSTON - Sen. Edward M. Kennedy has a malignant brain tumor. Doctors for the Massachusetts Democrat say tests conducted after Kennedy suffered a seizure this weekend show a tumor in his left parietal lobe. Preliminary results from a biopsy of the brain identified the cause of the seizure as a malignant glioma, they said.
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His treatment will be decided after more tests but the usual course includes combinations of radiation and chemotherapy.
The 76-year-old senator has been hospitalized in Boston since Saturday, when he was airlifted from Cape Cod after a seizure at his home.
His wife and children have been with him each day but have made no public statements.
His doctors said in a statement released to The Associated Press that he has had no further seizures, is in good spirits and is resting comfortably.
Malignant gliomas are a type of brain cancer diagnosed in about 9,000 Americans a year — and the most common type among adults. It's a starting diagnosis: How well patients fare depends on what specific tumor type is determined by further testing.
Average survival can range from less than a year for very advanced and aggressive types — such as glioblastomas — or to about five years for different types that are slower growing.
May 20, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait, I thought Democrats were divided. I thought all the Clinton supporters were going to vote for McCain. This is weird.
http://thinmansblog.blogspot.com/
May 20, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, I just went to Thin Man's Blog and saw the bit about Sentor Clinton (+ crew) quoting Karl Rove saying she was the stronger candidate. (I was wondering what that was about - I missed it yesterday). So is she serious about using Karl "the math" Rove to predict her winning? Is she really serious? How can she be? I would be screaming under the bed if "the Math" Rove said I was the stronger candidate. How can Sentor Clinton's supporters let her say these things? Why do I keep thinking that Sentor Clinton will come to her very intelligent senses?
May 20, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama/Gotalife '08
May 20, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bite your fingers for typing that!
talk about going overboard...LOL!
May 20, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm giggling at the rather clever gotalife impersonator :-)
May 20, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not go that far!! I don't have to love the guy. But I do realize I can't be divisive anymore. Not when there's so much at stake.
May 20, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Surely this is a joke, right?
gotalife lets make it a better America!
May 20, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
That family's fate is epic - it's Euripidean!
I really feel so sorry for Senator Kennedy - even more than his family right now. That has got to be a devastating diagnosis to hear.
Jeeezuz. I really often think we were better off before they could tell us for certain that something virtually incurable was wrong with us and we had X amount of time left.
I don't necessarily find that all so progressive.
May 20, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
it is sad, Sweetie.
May 20, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I admire your devotion to my every comment. It makes them really stand out.
Of course, if you keep stalking me...
May 20, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Present - not worth it anymore.
I know I've said this election is a sham. I was angry.
Believe me. Its a much bigger sham if McSame gets elected. We need to start thinking about ways to stop it.
May 20, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh God, I'm so confused. I thought I had them sorted out.
May 20, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
This new stat is a good one to keep in mind when Clinton camp talks about slapping its voters in the face: those voters who endorsed Clinton in primaries and caucuses past aren't necessarily Clinton voters any longer.
May 20, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad Soros only pays delegates.
My vote's for sale for 2 million.
May 20, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, too bad. The Hillary donor is only trying to bribe people with ONE million.
May 20, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cut it out Fogu. Time to give it a rest.
Would you rather have Soros and Buffet on your side - or Rupert Murdoch? Seriously.
Let's cut some of this petty bickering and start working together. The GOP platform is a serious threat to this country - and we need to do everything in our power to stand UNITED against it.
This new pragmatism thing isn't so bad - I invite some of the other more fervent posters to give it a try.
May 20, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unity to save the Supreme Court.
Unity to save our personal freedoms.
Unity to save reproductive rights.
Unity to save healthcare.
Unity to end cowboy "diplomacy".
Unity to save the middle class.
UNITY! Democrats stand together to win!
May 20, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
This just isn't that surprising.
The bitter Obama/Clinton battle is just about over. People realize that we have to win this thing, that another Republican president is unacceptable.
Those who don't realize this have five months to think about it. Five months of watching Obama and McCain.
May 20, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Key Hillary Constituencies Moving Towards Obama"
Obama! Watch out, they're right behind you!
May 20, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Need togalife and goatlife to weigh in on the hoax...
May 20, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is only surprising because the media has convinced people that Democrats are divided. While they may disagree about the choice between Obama and Clinton, they all agree that a Democrat is what is needed to get us out of this mess.
http://thinmansblog.blogspot.com/
May 20, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have always thought that this years winning Democratic nominee will be the next president....even Clinton would have won...but not by the huge landslide that Obama is going to receieve this November ;)))))
"Gotta love" those pictures from Portland last weekend, maybe thats what swung over "Gottalife".
May 20, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The only major demographic group that Hillary gets 51% or more of are women aged 50 and older."
For what it's worth, I am a women aged 50 and older and I absolutely despise Clinton.
May 20, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Newsflash: Poll: Key Hillary Constituencies Moving Towards Obama
(Except in Kentucky.)
May 20, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
She can run for Governor of West Kentuckygina then, if that's what she wants. The good news is that the consolidation of the party is underway.
May 20, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink