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Poll: Hillary Takes Slim Lead In North Carolina

A new InsiderAdvantage poll of North Carolina is the first one yet to actually show Hillary Clinton ahead in the crucial primary, demonstrating just how badly the latest controversies have hurt Barack Obama. The numbers, compared to the firm's last poll from two weeks ago:

Clinton 44% (+8)
Obama 42% (-9)

The pollster's analysis has this caveat: "Our polling generally does not indicate the eventual compression of black voters that Obama usually enjoys just before Election Day. If that happens, my guess is that he will pull this out. However, this poll is clearly an indication of reaction to the latest statements by his former pastor; and it forces Sen. Obama to split resources between Indiana and North Carolina."


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Way to go Hilary. If she takes Indiana and North Carolina, Barack is basically done for. His candidacy will have collapsed.

I get it! You're the ironically named counterpart to idiotic. Pretty funny!

well done, hillary. obama is done for. that ny times poll shows only 51% of people "expect" him to get the nomination, down from 69%. she's catching up and will beat him with these new wins.

way to go, hillary!

17% Switch? Got some 360 degree waterfront property to sell you 170 miles east of the North Carolina shores, interested?

It "forces Obama to split resources between NC and IN"? Huh? He's been campaigning vigorously in both states for sometime now.

Clearly, the controversy with Wright has hurt Obama. It is unclear how his performance on Tuesday repaired the breach. Moreover, it is unclear how the endorsement of the IN pol who was the former DNC will impact the race in IN.

Whatever the case, it is going to be tight. Polls are already show Hillary momentum in NC as well as IN. It will be all about whether Obama can get back on message and rally his base come Tuesday.

Can someone please tell me how a poll is bigger news than a superdelegate switching from Clinton to Obama? I am just about through with TPM. On I go in search of more balanced coverage.

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Good luck finding it. Nearly every other site out there is far an away more in favor of Senator Obama than Senator Clinton.

Ombuds!!!

You owe me some cash, pal! 9.4% win in PA was good for HRC, but not good enough to beat the spread!

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Try the Washington Post. At least they make an effort.

New Mason Dixon poll has Obama ahead by 8%. This IA poll is obviously flawed because more than 60% of AA support will go to Obama. IA poll has Obama receiving only 60% of the AA vote.

Way to go Hilary. If she takes Indiana and North Carolina, Barack is basically done for. His candidacy will have collapsed.

I can't wait for Obama to secure the nomination so this sort of crap will stop.

I'm curious why any loss ends Obama's candidacy. Hillary was supposed to win them all and has lost 30 times so far. I guess a 150 lead in pledged delegates means nothing. Go figure.

This poll is way off. Structurally Obama is significantly ahead in North Carolina. It under samples blacks and other groups.

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No shit. There's no way that the black vote will be only 25%, and there's no way he'll only get 65% of it.

There are outliers, and then there's complete garbage like this.

The silver lining is that it sets up the narrative of a 'comeback' for Obama. Mind you, a fabricated one, but otherwise helpful.

This is ONE POLL, folks! Why the big headline if several other polls don't back it up? Or does Insider Advantage have a spotless record?

I find this specious considering that, nationally, Obama's bouncing back - fast.

Can someone please tell me how a poll is bigger news than a superdelegate switching from Clinton to Obama? I am just about through with TPM. On I go in search of more balanced coverage.

I'm with you brother. I looked all over TPM for news of this, and only found it mentioned in TPM reader comments. This is one of the biggest news stories of the day, and it's not getting play here.

boo hoo.

I'd very, very suspicious of this poll. It has Obama pulling around 65 percent of the black vote -- which means he would underperform by about 20 points compared to his average black vote all primary season, and by closer to 30 points compared to how he's done in the South. Does anyone really think that that's remotely a possibility, regardless of how much the Wright controvery may have hurt him?

If a poll came out and showed Clinton receiving 40 percent of the white vote, would you present it as reliable? Of course not. Yet you show very little skepticism of this poll. Unlike other readers of this site, I don't detect a Clinton bias. I just see some very lazy reporting.

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Not only does the poll have Obama getting only 65% of the black vote, it has the black vote at only 25% of the electorate.

That's crazy talk.

no, he won't be "done for" he'll be challenged, and every indication is that he can rise to the cahllenge.

People have asked, and will ask, what do you -- Obama - believe, and he has not hesitated to give an answer. Clearly.

So, the next question will then become, is he responsible for the views of someone else. People attempting to charge him with Wright's views, will be susceptible to the charge of "guilt by association."

This is not the end. It may be end-game. But it is not the end, by any means.

And Hillary faces one big risk in all this. As people ask Obama "Why didn't you leave earlier? Didn't you know?" that question will morph into
"Why didn't Hillary leave a serial sexual predator? Even after she knew?"

What goes around, comes around.

And Hillary faces one big risk in all this. As people ask Obama "Why didn't you leave earlier? Didn't you know?" that question will morph into "Why didn't Hillary leave a serial sexual predator? Even after she knew?"

This is exactly how the republican attack machine works. This is precisely the line of attack the republican trash mongers will take if Clinton were the nominee. So, this notion that Hillary is somehow immune to this crap while Obama is vulnerable is simply bull****.

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Repeat after me: after all primary voting is finished, even if Hillary wins all remaining states, Obama will still have a 100 delegate lead.

The polls could have Hillary shooting magical unicorn ponies out of her ass, and this thing will still end with Obama at least 100 delegated ahead.

Repeat after me: Even if Obama shoots little Rev. Wrights with Horns out his ass, he will not get to 2025 delegates won after June 3, especially if the current MI and FL plans become reality.

The two candidates will be statistically within 1-3% of each other in key categories such as popular vote, delegates won, and Hillary will balance out Obama's lead in states won with far better size and quality of states won.

Hillary was on Bill O'Reily yesterday showing us why she'd make a better President.

Don't think for a minute the Superdelegates weren't watching.

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The super delegates care about themselves and the party. They know there is no predicting who will win in the fall. They also know Obama is the one who can get them the most money. He can call for donations to a house candidate and get him as much in a day as he was planning to get in the election cycle. Hillary cannot compete with that. Ther eis no way she gets 2/3 of the remaing supers.

This poll is garbage. Look at the crosstabs. It is in no way representative of the actual voter demographics of NC. Junk poll.

Obama needs to stand up and say, "We need to decide right now, as a nation, whether we are going to let ourselves be distracted, frightened, tricked, and manipulated, or whether we are going to get on and address the big issues that face us. Whether we are going to let people and forces divide us, or whether we are going to overcome that impulse, that attempt, and instead stand together, as a nation and as a people."

And what Obama would really mean by that is: "We need to decide right now, as a nation, whether we are going to let ourselves be distracted BY THE FACT THAT FOR 20 YEARS MY CLOSEST ADVISOR WAS A WELL-KNOWN RADICAL NUTJOB". But your words sound more polished, I'll grant you that.

As opposed to Clinton's new chief strategist who has been a radical nutjob since college where he advocated the violent overthrow of the government. Hillary's new friends on the right - Richard Scaife and Bill O'Reilly - are going to love to sink their teeth into that. Oh, and I forgot...what about the commie law firm she worked for? That should win over some blue-collar independents. I know how much they love those commies.

If Wright was such a "well-known" nutjob -- as you put it -- why did Bill Clinton rush him into the White House back when he was trying to deal with the Monica situation?

So you're saying that Clinton inviting Wright (who he probably didn't know well at all) to the WH for a prayer meeting is EXACTLY EQUIVALENT to Obama attending Wright's church for 20 years, naming a book after a Wright sermon, and describing him as a member of the family?

Let me guess...you flunked math, right?

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I am saying that Wright is irrelevant, selfagrandizing, and just a drop in the bucket compared to the off topic crap they are going to be able to pull on Clinton.

The poll undersamples blacks - only 25 percent. Ohter polls show and state demographics indicate blacks will make up about one-third of the vote or more. And this poll has Obama winning blacks by only about 3-1, rather than his more recent 8 or 9 to 1. Even the polling firm's own analysis indicates these figures are suspect.

Two things, first, what is meant by "Our polling generally does not indicate the eventual compression of black voters that Obama usually enjoys just before Election Day."?

Second, I think this is tremendous news for Clinton and very bad news for Obama. I suspect we'll see more polls from NC and IN showing the same, even Gallup might start showing a change. The question is whether these are all abberations or indicative of a new trend (my bet is on new trend). While Obama is sidelined by Wright with lots of bad press, Clinton was just out with a fantastic interview on Fox's O'Reilly last night. Even the Obama supporters positioned to critique her instead gushed enthusiasm for her interview and barely mentioned Obama. If this continues, even for a few days to IN and NC, Obama will stand to lose both IN and NC. Then, the issue next Wednesday morning will be his electability. I'll state it now, if he loses NC he should seriously consider dropping out for good of the party and to spend more time with his family.

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How can you spin like that and not get so dizzy you throw up?

What a load of horseshit. As if HRC ever gave a rats ass about the good of the party.

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It's a new trend. With all of the powerful forces now aligned against Obama (and none against Hillary), he is going to start losing or tying in states that he should be winning. At the same time, he will be picking up superdelegates. This is the end game. The superdelegates are easing her out of the race. It's sad that it's necessary, but she seems to be too goddamned stupid or self-centered to do what's best for the party. So they'll do it for her.

Matthew, there's only one thing that matters now: Hillary is being ignored by the Republicans. They know she's not the nominee. So do the superdelegates.

I'm going to vote for "self-centered".

I will see your self-centered and raise you a deep denial!

No more obliteratti.

I'm sure she picked up a lot of Democratic votes with that O'Reilly interview.

Despite not being a good poll, the fact that HRC is even remotely close is troubling. However, on the plus side this poll was taken on Tues, probably the height of Wright controversy II and before her ridiculous gas tax pandering started to get scrutiny. There are a lot of undecideds which are likely to go to Obama when the controversy settles down.

As usual, TPM never met a Poll's press release they did not embrace and believe with the innocence of a small child. See here (analysis of their comedic coverage of PA): http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/30/19119/4996/833/506644

For all the talk on this site about the big bad MSM, TPM has certainly had their fill of Hillary just prior to and now since PA.

I used to really enjoy this site's balance, but it really feels lately like this site is in the tank for Hillary and getting the bump in viewership and ad revenue from the prolonged "race" between Obama and HRC.

She's done, folks. She can't win without stealing the nomination.

Oh, and this is EXCELLENT NEWS FOR MATTHEW! Until it isn't ...

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Why does TPM promote this poll as being significant? It is obviously flawed. The commentary from the people who produced the poll indicate that even they consider it suspect. Does it fit some kind of TPM narrative?

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ding ding

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I'm in Charlote. Last night I attended a women for obama early vote rally in which about 60 percent had already voted. Last week I attended another women for Obama meeting and 75 percent of the women there were white and fired up for Obama. On Monday, my neighbor (a Hillary backer) called to tell me she had just voted . . . for Obama. Things look good on the ground here.

That poll has AA making up just 25% of the vote. That's insanity since 23% of NC is AA and 1.2 million are registered Democrats. I expect that AA will make up AT LEAST 35 percent of the vote and (maybe) even 40%. And, believe me, you have to look pretty hard to find a black Clinton supporter in NC!

The low percentage of black voters and their low support for Obama are both such ridiculous assumptions that I can't, for the life of me, understand why this poll was posted with such a huge headline on the front page. It's even more baffling considering Bill's hand-picked former head of the DNC has switched from endorsing Hillary to endorsing Obama....don't you think THAT deserves a big front page headline?

What about the new Mason Dixon poll that has him up by 8 ? But what is troubling is that Mason Dixon shows him eroding support.

Early voting has him leading however, so maybe that will counterbalance everything.

Don't get your hopes up, Eric.

This poll is idiotic.

AA 25% of the vote ?
AA voting at 65% for Obama ?
Under 30 voters representing 11% of the vote ?

RIDICULOUS

Eric, Eric, Eric:

Please read crosstabs and analyze before taking pollster's analysis at face value. The demographics are skewed by age and race. AA will be much higher turnout and undersamples, some might say, the younger demographic. Also, Obama at only 60% of AA vote!

I am surprised IA released this.

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A new InsiderAdvantage poll of North Carolina is the first one yet to actually show Hillary Clinton ahead in the crucial primary, demonstrating just how badly the latest controversies have hurt Barack Obama.

Is that what it demonstrates, Eric? Because I was thinking that it demonstrates that when you're under massive assault from all sides, as Obama is, your poll numbers tend to weaken. As opposed to Senator Clinton, who is running virtually unopposed and being ignored by nearly everyone at this point...

It's clearly wrong, but perhaps it is good. A perceived tightening of the race will draw out voters for Barack. If the race looked like a landslide, some might not bother to go out and vote.

Mason-Dixon is pretty much the gold standard in survey research.

MORE GREAT NEWS: CLINTON LEADS NATIONALLY, OBAMA TANKS!

Freefall trainwreck!

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that Barack Obamaโ€™s former Pastor, Jeremiah Wright, has had a significant impact on the race for the White House. The news is not good for Obama.

In general election polling John McCain now attracts 46% of the vote while Barack Obama earns 43%. Just before Wright had his press conference on Monday, McCain and Obama were even. A week ago, Obama had a two-point edge. McCain is now tied with Hillary Clinton at 44%. A week ago, McCain had a two-point edge over the former First Lady.

Those figures mean that Clinton now outperforms Obama by three points. A week ago, Obama outperformed Clinton by four. Daily tracking results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time (see recent daily results). New polling in New Hampshire shows that Clinton has gained ground on McCain in the Granite State while Obama is heading in the opposite direction. That poll also found significant voter concerns about Obama and his former Pastor.

In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, the Wright impact is especially evident. Clinton now has a statistically insignificant two-point edge over Obama, 46% to 44%. However, that represents a ten-point swing since Wrightโ€™s press conference. Before Pastor Wright appeared at the National Press Club, Obama led Clinton by eight points (see recent Democratic Nomination results).

In Indiana, Clinton leads Obama by five points. In North Carolina Obama leads. Rasmussen Markets data shows Obama continues to be the favorite for the Democratic nomination, but expectations have slipped significantly in recent days. Currently, the frontrunner is given a 75.9 % chance of winning.

Among all voters nationwide, McCain is viewed favorably by 51% and unfavorably by 45%. (see recent daily favorable ratings). Obama is now viewed favorably by 49% and unfavorably by 48%. For Clinton, the reviews are 44% favorable, 54% unfavorable. At noon Eastern today, Rasmussen Reports will release the Presidentโ€™s Job Approval ratings for April.

The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes. The GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When โ€œleanersโ€ are added, the Democrats lead 260 to 240 (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Data from Rasmussen Markets gives Democrats a 59.8 % chance of winning in November.

Daily tracking results are collected via nightly telephone surveys and reported on a four-day rolling average basis. The general election sample is currently based upon interviews with 1,600 Likely Voters. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Results are also compiled on a full-week basis and crosstabs for the full-week results are available for Premium Members. See crosstabs for general election match-ups, favorable ratings and Democratic primary.

Well-contructed, if complete fantasy. You ignore the truth: she cannot win the general.

Who commissioned this poll? Faux News?

... and both candidates short of the necessary pledged delegates to secure the nomination and Clinton ahead in the popular vote. So according to all of your own new rules that superdelegates mirror their state's voters and/or vote for the candidate with the most popular vote then that would be Senator Clinton.

The tide is turning and you are all on the record as to how superdelegates should behave. No changing the rules for a third time.

Why do people keep saying this? She is NOT ahead in the popular vote or in other metric. She's only winning in the make-believe HillaryLand.

LOL--the only way Clinton even comes close in any metric is by changing the rules.

she can never win, can she!?!??! polls on favor barry!

waaaaaaa!!!!! take your ball, run home, and fuck off. have a great day.

Huh?

oki, dude, you are getting more unstable as the days pass...

Obama wins NC. Period.

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We will know next Wednesday for sure.

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Regardless of the validity of this particular poll, there is a clear movement in Clinton's direction...while McCain increases his positives. We have officially reached the level of absurd in this country. The single-most biggest issue in this country for the past 6 weeks has been a candidate's freaking pastor???? This pastor may sink a promising politician's candidacy???? This is worlds worse than the blowjob/Whitewater silliness that went on during the Clinton administration.

What a sad turn of events. A promising year turned to shit. A huge, potentially game-changing election reduced to character attacks and guilt by association. There's a freaking war going on and the economy is a mess yet large percentages of people are concerned about Obama's pastor and Hillary's sniper story??? At least a large percentage of folks are also worried about McCain strong connection to the Bush administration. Now THAT is a real concern. But it's the only bright spot in this whole fiasco. Even if a Dem wins the whole thing, even if Obama is that Dem, it will be after months of spending more time denouncing Jeremiah Wright than talking about actual issues that affect our country.

Shame on us.

CHARACTER...why stay in Wright's Church for 20+ years. Barack knew who Rev. Wright was and chose to stay as a member of Wright's congregation. CHARACTER & JUDGEMENT two things Obama lacks.

Let BO show up on Bill-O if he has any character. Also, I suggest he put into hiding his nasty cynical Anti-American wife, she does him no good.

In denial much?

The crosstabs tell you all you need to know about this poll.

Polls have consistently underestimated Obama's support in southern states. Look at Virginia, South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, etc. Even the pollster acknowledges that they underestimate the black turnout. He'll win NC by a large margin.

Maybe this is the one time where the polls leading up to a primary end up helping Obama. In both Ohio and Pa, there were polls showing him beating Clinton in the week before, which made the loss appear greater (at least to the media). I'd be crazy shocked if he lost NC. I agree with the Clintonistas that a Clinton win in NC would be devastating to Obama.

Wow, a twofer- underestimating BOTH black turnout and the % of the black vote for Obama (65%!- I want some of that really good crack those guys are smoking). What a joke. How much did Hillary's campaign pay for this "poll"?

"change" is coming alright...

...just not in the manner all you obama-ites are so desperately hoping for, eh?

hey, keep your chins up. i'm sure he won't get swept in the final 9 contests. i mean, you're just losing another 1 of your weak arguments for him to be the nominee. let's see, how does that list go:

1. he leads in popular vote.

yeah...it's already been documented by the Atlantic and RealClearPolitics & McClatchy News that that's not the case when you tally up all the votes actually cast (yes, including the certified votes of michigan and florida). but with her 200k+ gain in pa, a victory in indiana, a victory or narrow loss in n.c., a trouncing in kentucky and west viriginia, etc., etc., hillary will soon be ahead of obama in popular vote NOT INCLUDING MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA.

wow, who'd a thunk?!?

2. he leads in states won.

yeah...he currently holds about a 2-1 advantage there if i'm correct, and will likely still be able to make that argument when june 3rd rolls around. but by that time, if hillary wins 7 of the last 9, that gap will be shrunken to the point of being negligible, and when combined with fact point #1 above, will show resoundingly that winning states where people actually live in bulk is more important than winning states with lots of livestock and mountainscapes but not so many human beings, since the latter vote and the former...well...they don't.

3. he leads in pledged delegates.

now, this one...this is your most solid hook. it's a good one. explains why you all are clinging to it so desperately now.

here's the thing, though. by the time june 3rd comes around, the momentum on that figure will be solidly in hillary's favor. currently, your guy holds an estimated 156 pledged delegate lead. if hillary gets this figure to at or around a differential of 100, that represents a 35% net gain over 9 contests.

no stunning you say? well, when one accounts for an inane proportional delegate split system greatly handicaps a challenger's ability to "close the gap" despite how well he/she does, a 35% closing is statistically VERY significant.

so, an argument can be made that the obama lead should be deemed inconsequential at that juncture and the candidates deemed to be essentially in a pledged delegate statistical tie.

which, alas, brings us to the super delegates and how they ultimately break in this race.

on the one hand, they can back a candidate who's built a constituency of high-income voters, cross-over independents and republicans and african-americans, demonstrated the ability to best his dem opponent in less-than-democratic caucuses and in predominantly and historically red states that republicans win reliably and repeatedly in november, and on a definite losing streak coming into june.

on the other hand, they can back a candidate who's built a constituency of middle and low income blue collar voters, women, seniors, AND latinos, demonstrated the ability to consistently best her dem opponent in fully-participatory primaries in key democratic and swing states in november, and on an impressive and sweeping winning streak coming into june.

for super delegates serious about winning in november, the choice is clear: hillary.

Which is why the super-delegates are all breaking for her right now...

Oh wait, they aren't, are they?

Back to the drawing board, I guess.

Do you really have to publish every poll even when they obviously silly. Where is your journalism skill?

This is just like the one or two PA polls that had Obama with a slim lead there.

He will win NC with a similar (and probably slightly greater) margin as Hillary's PA victory.

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Obama will take 90% of AA vote.

Didn't he take 92 % of the AA vote in PA ? I would say it will top that in NC.

Didn't he take 92 % of the AA vote in PA ? I would say it will top that in NC.

In other words, African Americans are voting solely on the basis of race.

In other words, you're saying that all African Americans are racist.

In other words, your Dear Leader can't win on his own; the only way he has a chance is if the racists all band together and vote for him because of the color of his skin.

Chump-ass loser.

That you insist on using "dear leader" with your quaint gravitar indicates you do not understand why Obama is winning. He is, in fact, quite the opposite.

It's not a religeon or a dictatorship (Dear Leader). It's a call to hold him accountable by the rule of law, and there is nothing mystic about that. He's a constitutional lawyer, not a priest.

Honestly, I do not understand your vitriol. Perhaps you prefer only its noise.

Pax,
M.

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Black people are not just voting for Obama based on race. They are also voting against Hillary based on her campaign's (especialy Bill's) behavior. You cannot pander to the white racists without a blacklash.

Why can't TalkingPoints publish the more reputable Mason Dixon poll out today, which has him leading by 8 ?

Look, I want Obama to win as much as anyone.

But it's increasingly troubling that every time anybody brings up "perceptions", of how tight the race is, of the popular vote tallies, of how MI and FL should count, of how losses in IN and, yes even NC might count for something, of how Wright might be damaging, you all stick you fingers in your ears and chant "she can't win".

You know what? Until he has 2025 delegetes in the bank he can't either, and he hasn't got them yet. What if all these "perceptions", as demonstrably false as they may be individually, actually matter to the SDs? There are no rules to make them act in accordance with "she can't win" - there is only their collective judgement of who can win the general.

Please let's not be so complacent. It ain't over, literally.

Crap Poll.....Mason Dixon much more reliable.

Congratulation to Hillary for winning the Presidency !!!
of the Republic of "Testicles" and "Pansies"?

Too bad BO has lost his pair and is a pansie.

That you permit yourself the use of the word "pansy" with such pedantic ease discredits pretty much everything else you have to say.

I know, I know, can't use the n-word, so let's pick on the gays. It's clear from the context you do not mean "flower."

You are a complete child.

I am not is picking on gays nor calls gays pansies.
That term goes back to the 50's maybe. Obama, the latte leftist, however doesn't seem to have the guts to make a visit to Bill-O. Softballs from MSNBC. Even Russert will go easy on BO. Don't you have homework to do?

FYI boys and girls,

Matt Towery, who runs the InsiderAdvantage poll, is a longtime metro Atlanta Republican and former Republican state legislator.

Mikestand- fear not. I guarnantee you there is no such complacency where it matters- in his campaign.

The Queen will use her Vulcan Mind Meld and get the job done and all you Kool-Aid drinkers will have to be put on suicide watch.

She is gaining 2 points a day.

From here in the RTP area of NC I can see that many have lost the their original unbridled enthusiasm for BO...even some young professional AA's that I work with. Their vote will still go in his direction however. What surprises me is that the older white (65+) blue dog democrats that I know have all gone for HC. There is a lot of early voting here and I plan to go do my duty at lunch today!

McCitizen -- Despite how he is behaving now (which is utterly outrageous), Rev. Wright is not a "well-known radical nut job." He has a very good reputation and, despite the fact that his sermons and speechs are widely available, no one has come forward with anything other than the two out-of-context clips (9/11 and "damn America"). In context, those statements are not nearly as outrageous as they were made to appear. His "nutjob" behavior began after he was asked not to appear at Obama's event in Springfield and appears to have as it's goal harm to Obama's campaign. Think old man already upset by the changes that come with retirement getting mad as hell at being "dissed" by someone he considered a protoge .... and therefore acting in an UNCHARACTERISTIC fashion!

So, unless you have some knowledge that has never been published - anywhere - about what precisely Obama heard during his 20 year membership at Trinity, why don't you just be honest and say "I don't want Obama to win and don't want any of you to support him." Stringing together words that may make a plausible argument but one for which there are no supporting facts does NOT make it a persuasive argument.

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Didn't we go through all of this in the reverse when there was a poll showing Obama ahead in Pennsylvania? This is an anomaly. If you pay attention to every one of these things, your brain starts leaking out your ears.

"If you pay attention to every one of these things, your brain starts leaking out your ears."

That happens to Obama folks, it's the white right side of the braib vs. the left black side or whatever Dr. Rev. Wright tried to scientifically advise at the NAACP speech. Sort of like marching bands and how they groove.

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Racist troll.

She's right. That was totally out of line, MP.


I was taking from the Wright speech only.

NAACP Video:
http://www.hiphopmusic.com/2008/04/rev_wright_naacp_speech_video.html

No, you're still a racist and homophobic troll.

Watch this video and open your mind. I was playing with Wright's words which are totally racist. Watch this video, where he acts out marching bands (video 3, 5:50), how different races uses brain learing (Video 2 3:45).

So what? Have you not heard of the First Ammendment? Has Obama ever said these things? You are grasping because your tiny sexist, racist, and homophophic mind cannot accept that Sen Clinton is not going to win.

Reverend Wright NACCP:

"African and African-American children have a different way of learning.

They are right brained, subject oriented in their learning style. Right brain that means creative and intuitive. Subject oriented means they learn from a subject, not an object. They learn from a person. Some of you are old enough, I see your hair color, to remember when the NAACP won that tremendous desegregation case back in 1954 and when the schools were desegregated. They were never integrated. When they were desegregated in Philadelphia, several of the white teachers in my school freaked out. Why? Because black kids wouldn't stay in their place. Over there behind the desk, black kids climbed up all on them."

" Many of us are committed to changing how we see others who are different. When you look at and listen to - I'm in Michigan. OK. Here in Michigan, look at and listen to the University of Michigan and Michigan State University bands at halftime. Their bands hit the field with excellent European precision. Da, da, da, da, da, ta, ra, ra.

Now go to a Florida A&M and Gramling Band. It's different. And you can't put that in no book. I believe change is going to come because many of us are committed to changing how we see others who are different. One is not superior to the other. One is not normal with the other being abnormal. One is not deficient because it doesn't follow the same methodology of the other. It is just different. Different does not mean deficient. Tell your neighbor one more time."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/28/wright.transcript/


The press has not even addressed some of the many outrageous comments of Rev. Wright. The video is entertaining. My point was solely to show the Rev Wright logic but I assume few people are aware Rev. Wright had a show almost as good as teh NPC the night before and a somewhat muted pair of sermons on Sunday AM.

*yawn*

so much grasping....

Actually, he/she was responding to your use of "well-known."

You flunked English right?

If anyone reads the poll, it shows Obama with 33% of whites. Other polls showing him with 30% of whites have him winning by ten.

This poll not only shows him getting a ridiculous 60% of the black vote, it shows black vote at 25% of the total, whereas 38% is representative in NC.

This is the most junked up, argumentatively weighted poll I have seen in the entire primary season.

It's weighting and predicted share of the black vote is ridiculous. Blacks will turn to Hillary in droves? And after her denunciation of Wright on Fox to boot? Blacks will turn from Obama when he's forced to answer for every black voice that creeps out white America?

I think Obama people (of whom I'm strongly one) in here actually whine about what polls TPM posts and pumps, and I actually find complaining about that irritating -- I mean, who cares. But giving this a banner headline validates the complainers' criticism that the site prefers hits and horserace to news coverage. The poster should have bothered to perform some rudimentary analysis of the numbers. Carrying the pollster quote doesn't accomplish that. It's weak.

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When Obama leads by 2 points, there's a CAVEAT!! WITHIN MARGIN OF ERROR!!! but if Clinton leads by two, it's a sure thing? Have you guys been taking Fair and Balanced lessons at Faux News or what...

The amusing part of this "discussion" is that every time there's a poll showing The Dear Leader in the lead the 'bots start shrieking, "WONDERFUL POLL!!! WORD!!!!"

Every time there's a poll showing Clinton in the lead the 'bots start shrieking, "BOGUS POLL!!!! THEY HATE BLACK PEOPLE!!!"

Tiresome, boring, and predictable.

Freakin' one-trick candidate; freakin' high-school fan club.

*yawn*

Where's the beef?

Dear Clinton fans:

Not. gonna. happen.

Cheers,

Justin

Would that be a money back guarantee...?

I can't wait to vote for Obama in November.....or Clinton.....just as long as its a Democrat. I am a single parent struggling to keep a roof over our heads and my son is sick and his prescription drug benefit has maxed out and the benefit year doesn't start until November. My sons are 14 and 17, so I want to make sure we do not start more wars. Its a no-brianer for me, Obama/Clinton or McCain. Both BO and HC are much better then McCain. How can you blame either for not quitting the race? I don't have the luxary of staying home in November if my guy doesn't win the nomination. I think the same is true for all of us.

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