Paper That Endorsed Hillary Calls On Her To Exit Race
The Washington Blade, which endorsed Hillary, calls on her to step out of the race today in an editorial penned by the paper's editor....
Last night's results in the North Carolina and Indiana primaries have left Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton out of options. She ran a tough and spirited campaign that will be talked about for a generation. But it's over.The time has come for Clinton to adopt a gracious and conciliatory tone, end her campaign and endorse Sen. Barack Obama for president.
To our knowledge it's the first paper backing Hillary to call on her to leave. If any of you see other papers around the country doing the same -- or, for that matter, urging her to stay in -- please send 'em my way.
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May 7, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
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May 7, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
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If they yank does this mean nobody will read my racist panty load rants too!!
Sincerly
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May 8, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now that it is over I wonder how long the Idiotic wave will last.
May 7, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Years, I hope.
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May 8, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
STOP THE CALLS FOR AN EXIT!
All she needs to do is campaign peacefully against Barack & McCain. Please drop the exit calls. WTF are people thinking? All she needs to do is remain peaceful and avoid convention threats.
We need her to take one for the team through the end. It would be bizarre for Barack to lose Kentucky and West Virginia.
May 7, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you seriously think she can do that?
She doesn't have much of a history of campaigning peacefully.
May 7, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think she is a reasonable person at the end of the day. I think she will step up and support Barack, eventually.
It has to be hard to lose a nomination battle where you were a serious contender, especially in a year where your party may have an advantage.
May 7, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Especially when initial expectation were that you were the annoited one.
May 7, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I would agree with you except that, given Garin's comments this morning about her "progress in North Carolina" with white voters, I doubt they're going to take the high road and not engage in any more dirty tactics.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/hillary_chief_strategist_north.php
May 7, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Media have come to the party two months too late. But better late than never. She lost on the day she lost Wisconsin. If you look at the numbers- the net super delegate and popular vote lead remain almost the same as they were after Wisconsin.
All she did was hurt Obama and the party by running a two month long filthy campaign. I don't mind if she "stays" until May 20, but she should relegate herself to the corner.
May 7, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
yep, they are now admitting they lost in February.
"Absent some sort of miracle on May 31st, it's going to be tough for us," said a senior Clinton official who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to be frank. "We lost this thing in February. We're doing everything we can now . . . but it's just an uphill battle."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/07/senior-clinton-aide-its-g_n_100578.html
May 7, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, the Clinton campaign's strategists are acknowledging something I realized and exposited on 10 weeks ago?
With on-the-ball insight like that, I'm stunned they lost.
May 7, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice, lets go ahead and force a Candidate out of the race and steal it with Superdels being involved. Add to that disenfanchising the states of Florida and Michigan and what a nice mess the Party has created. Good god!
May 7, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
How is it stolen? More states, delegates, votes...
She has no legitimate path to the nomination. I concede that she would be a great nominee, just not this time.
May 7, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
And he doesn't have 2025 without Party leaders being involved. This needs to go to the convention. He has no legitimate mandate from the members of the party. If he wins he gets the endorsment of the Superdelegates.
May 7, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
And how is that against the rules or stealing?
Obama is roungly 180 delegates shy of 2025 right now. He'll get there through a combination of pledged and super. How is that stealing?
May 7, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am saying that the Nominee shouldn't come via the Supers. Its ugly. Or...certainly will be ugly
May 7, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's neither. They're part of the nominating process.
May 7, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh huh....keep that in mind this fall
May 7, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Meaning what, exactly?
May 7, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
No matter who the nominee is if the Supers pick them the MSM will be all over the "elitist" picking the nominee and not the people. Don't think someone in RNC HQ is already thinking it?
May 7, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's simply nonsense.
The supers are part of the Democratic process. End of story.
May 7, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is that nonsense. Then if they decided to give it to Hillary....You'd be ok with it?
May 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. If she gets 75% of the remaining SDs to get the nomination, I'll vote for her. It'll never happen, so it's easy for me to say. But the SDs are legit.
May 7, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok. First Obama supporter I have heard that from.....But its progress.
May 7, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
A lot of Obama supporters on here have said they'd vote for Hillary if she somehow got the nod.
May 7, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not when it was suggested the Supers step in on her behalf. And not just here. Doug (we will riot in the streets) Wilder didn't like the idea either.
May 7, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Meaning: Daaammnn...these grapes sure are sour!
May 7, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am just saying
May 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're just saying nothing that even hints at a logical statement.
May 7, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's going to come via the supers, pledged delegate lead or not.
May 7, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Superdelegates are the only way Clinton would be able to do it. Clinton clinching by superdelegates = good, and Obama clinching by superdelegates = terrible?
May 7, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
At this point if they aren't involved no one can be the nominee...
May 7, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Listen, it is true that they both need supers to win, but his position is infinitely superior to hers. If she was in his position, and he in hers, the calls would be for him to drop out (if he wasn't asked to do so at the end of Feb). The party has given her every legit chance to rock his boat and take the momentum into the end. She failed. It happens. It isn't her fault, it is just the circumstances. Again, any other year she probably would have beaten the field easily. Not this time.
May 7, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't be calling on him to drop out. When there is a fig leaf of difference in the voting between them? Why risk it. On either side. Just is my thought.
May 7, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
twice as many states, more delegates, more votes, better fund raising, better ground game that he built by himself.
Yeah, he has a mandate, as much as anyone can get a mandate during a primary.
May 7, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
By himself? Hardly. This has all the markings of Kennedy/Kerry all over it.
May 7, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just because somebody CAN continue does not mean that he or she SHOULD continue. When the relatively few remaining Superdelegates who are undeclared -- not undecided, but undeclared -- indicate that they will support the candidate with the most elected delegates, the most states won, the most popular vote, the lower negative polling numbers and the much loftier starting point in terms of a 50-state race against the right wing election machne -- and that is clearly Obama -- the nomination will be gone, fair and square, and she will have nothing to show for the last month or two of campaigning except the destruction of her standing within the party. So why destroy what's left of your reputation in the party -- a diminishing resource at that -- in order to fight on a battle you can't win? Who stubbornly fights battles that are unwinnable because they are too proud and stubborn to recognize that a different approach is needed?
As every day passes, Hilary's actions and words sound more and more like the arrogant cocksucker who is at the root of the nation's current problems -- George W. Bush -- and less and less like the Hilary Clinton I once supported enthusiastically. And that's NOT a good thing.
May 7, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I sincerely doubt that you ever supported Hillary. Or else words like bush and cocksucker wouldn't be invovled.
May 7, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, you are dead wrong. I enthusiastically supported Hilary before Obama entered the race and did not flip over to Obama until late January, based on his uniqueness, the sense that he was the right person at the right moment . . . and then her negative attacks and GOP tactics sealed the deal. I defeneded Bill Clinton against attacks from my clients, friends and collegues on the right throughout his presidency, and I love the idea of electing a female president, particularly one as talented and intelligent as Hilary. I will still vote for Hilary if she is the nominee -- no matter how she wins it -- and I will give her $$, the whole ball of wax, becaus the GOP needs to be defeated in November. But I'm not so sure my daughters (19 and 23) would join me -- they are repulsed by what Hilary has been doing, and would not be as forgiving, given their idealism -- and I'm absolutely certain that a large number of African Americans would sit out the election if she wins this (because she can only win it at this point by asking party elites to set aside the democratic process and install somebody as nominee who is in second place, thereby effectively disenfranchising those who have already voted by a substantial majority in favor of her ooponent). As much as Clinton supporters think that Obama needs to win white blue collar voters over to win in November, I can tell you that Hilary has no chance to beat McCain without decisive African American support and high African Amercian turnout, and the 2 Million young people who have signed up this year to support Obama. Zero chance.
My wife, who is as strong a Hilary Clinton supporter as I know, will enthusiastically vote for Barack Obama if he is the nominee, just as I will enthusiastically vote for Hilary Clinton, if she is the nominee, if and when the time comes. That's because we know that the party which has given us George W Bush -- who is most definitely an arrogant cocksucker (and I question whether YOU really support Hilary if you don't think of Bush as an arrogant cocksucker, whose pride and stubborness has caused more problems than the next President can likely fix) -- and which is now is trying to sell us a third Bush term through its latest proxy, John "The Wingnut Formerly Known as a Maverick" McCain, must be defeated in November no matter what. Way too much at stake to do otherwise.
But I do think Hilary's behavior and tactics since she got scorched in South Carolina and pushed to a tie on Super Tuesday -- the day she was supposed to seal up the nomination -- have been largely reprehensible from the party's perspective, and come dangerously close to an excessively flattering imitation of GOP scorched earth, personality cult political tactics, of th eKarl Rove, Lee Atwater variety, which has been profoundly disappointing.
May 7, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a devout c***sucker of the homosexual persuausion, I really wish you wouldn't use the name in such a pejorative way as to include Bush in our ranks. It's shameful and an embarrassment to c***suckers everywhere to suggest that Bush is one of us. You can have him on your team, breeder, he's all yours! :)
May 7, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
My apolgies Colin. I was really using the term in the strictly "Deadwood" sense -- as opposed to consciously lumping fellatio (which I love receiving) and Bush (who I really wish we had not received) in the same sentence. One gives great pleasure to those lucky enough to receive it (or, for those so inclined, to give it), and the other is akin to a large cactus that has been driven up the ass of the American people just before they are asked to sit quietly for 8 years. Not a pretty sight, not a great feeling.
I am, of course, assuming that the "large cactus driven up the ass" phrase (and the visual that no doubt accompanies it) is not something that would offend you, but I was obviously off on the "cocksucker" remark, so if I have offended, please accept my sincere regrets.
May 7, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
No one is trying to force her out. Some are merely encouraging her to quit. It's her choice, and no one is pretending otherwise. As others have pointed out, it's probably best right now for her to stay in until May 20th, especially if she can keep it clean.
And, in what way can it be considered "stealing", if Obama has the most pledged delegates and popular vote? That part makes no sense whatsoever.
May 7, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
You need 2025 to win. Or actually more if your not going to throw MI or Fl in the trash heap of Politics. If you can't win it without the Superdels deciding it ....go to the convention. I've been pretty consistent on that. Neither candidate should have the Supers decide this. It will not be a legit Nomination process that way.
May 7, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's 100% legit. The supers are completely within the rules.
May 7, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
So was Anton Scalia voting to put GWB in the White House. Doesn't change what it actually was.
May 7, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're talking about Gore winning the popular vote and Bush winning the electoral college. Yeah. It sucked but it's the rules. You can't change the system in the middle of an election.
May 7, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you lawyer?
May 7, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope.
May 7, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, you got me . At a loss from words there. You live in a different world than me.
May 7, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually Obama, by May 20th, will have the majority of pledged delegates available, as in he will have more than 50% of them. Therefore if there were no super delegates he would have won.
So yes, it will be a legitimate victory.
May 7, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't get your point. There's no way for ANY candidate to win without the superdelegates. So should they just bag it for this year and not nominate anybody?
May 7, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thats exactly my point. You need to go to the convention now to settle this since it can't be won without the Supers being involved. I can just hear my business friends now asking me if I am going to follow what Howard Dean told me and vote for the Candidate that he picked. Would the question be wrong?
May 7, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The supers are part of the process. What's so difficult to understand.
The nominee is the candidate with 2025 Delegates (not solely 2025 pledged). Obama will get that. The end.
May 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not only the 2025 is a number that refers to the total number of candidates -whichever kind-, but Hillary's strategy since February has been to convince the Supers to go to her side (even if she runs behind in pledge delegates) so she can be the first one to get 2025.
If she had been able to get enough Supers on her side for her to reach the magic number, neither she nor Louisville would be talking about the Convention.
Absurd arguments...!
May 7, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
By this argument, the primaries have been a waste of time. If there is no measure that is legitimate or valid (pledged and super delegates) why did we bother with the last four months primaries/ caucuses?
May 7, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's another way he can win 'legitimately' without it going to Convention.
When Hillary runs out of money and concedes.
If she quits, is that legit enough for you?
May 7, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, it's not that crazy. He won more...everything. That's a majority, right? That means, he won, right? Even without the supers.
You insist on following the party rules by citing the 2025 number over and over but want to throw out the other rules about the role the super delegates play. C'mon. Either way (no rules = simple majority, rules = majority + supers), he won. Be OK with it.
May 7, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even if it goes to the convention, supers will still decide. So why leave their intent unknown until the convention gets here and lose months of campaigning against McCain?
The truth is, what should happen is that Hillary and her campaign would look at the pledged delegate count, understand that the super-delegates are not going to overturn that, and drop out. But, like our current president, she is so divorced from reality that she is going to keep plugging and FORCE the super-delegates to make a declaration, whether at the convention or beforehand.
May 7, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton would need the Supers to win as well even at the convention so I don't understand your concern that a win with votes from the Super Delegates isn't legit. Even with Michigan and Florida seated in full and favoring Clinton; neither can win the necessary delegate numbers without supers.
May 7, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe she and Bill want to stay in the race until she is asked to leave or forced out so they have an excuse to run out and start an Independent run for President, ala Joe Lieberman. After all, Hillary was his most ardent supporter against the legitimate Democratic nominee, Ned Lamont. Nobody mentions that fact, and it was the first real eye-opener that she is more of a Republican than a Democrat. This 'populist' bag of hers is a new, just-to-get-elected idea.
If she does run as an Independent, she will 'split' the party and not win, but she will probably keep Obama from winning, or that would be her basic agenda. Then, she is free to come back and challenge McCain in 2012.
Just my idea...
May 7, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
ok, how come no one's asked about abortion yet? has she exhausted the damage she might do?
May 8, 2008 2:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who exactly is that you are accusing of throwing MI and FL on the ash heap of politics? I remind you that Hilary signed a pledge that MI and FL not count -- and her advisors and proxies on the rules committee all voted at the time for that DQ rule (and when she was running in Iowa and New Haampshire, she was outspoken in her support for the enforcement of the rule). The, as fate would have it, she won those two states, and lost the election as a whole, and now her only conceivable path to the nomination involves breaking that pledge and counting two states where her opponent did not participate -- one where he wasn't even on the ballot. Do you think she would be so insistent about this if she had lost one or both?
So now she has cheated on that pledge -- she left her name as the only name on the ballot in MI, and insists that we count MI and FL despite her written pledge not to do so, and her numerous prior votes and statements in support of DQ'ing FL and MI -- and the candidate who is huirt by that is supposed to roll over and let her get away with it? The very fact that she is making this argument and putting MI andf FL at issue (and saying that she will push it to the convention floor) is what is hurting the party here. Everybody else in the party understands that, inlcuding many who live in MI and FL.
So, my answer to you is "nice try, but no." It is not enough to say that "yes, I agreed to the rule and to the pledge, but we need to do something to seat these two states and so I want you to enforce the voting that took place when all of the other candidates honored the pledge and I didn't because it benefits me. If you want MI and FL seated, let her pull out of the race, and they will be seated in an instant. But they will not be the medium through which a cheater and a liar wins the nomination.
May 7, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tell that to the folks from Florida and Michigan. Think they have another idea.
May 7, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, they don't. The media and the GOP would like themto have a different idea, and Hilary is certainly pushing the issue also (despite her prior pledge), because politics trumps personal ethics every time with the Clintons, or so it seems, but the voters themselves think that this is much ado about nothing. In FL, they are rightfully pissed at the FL GOP, who caused this problem, and nobody in MI with any sense of fairness wants the nomination to be decided by thier soviet style primary, with only her name on the ballot.
Do you really support Hilary? Or are you really a right wing troll, doing what right wing trolls do in this place? I can't tell . . . .
May 7, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is it any different if Superdelegates vote for Clinton at the convention or vote for her now? Seriously, you seem to think that something magical happens at the convention that somehow absolves the Democratic Party of the fact that the Superdels have to decide this, period. It doesn't matter. If your interest is truly in protecting the party, then it's better to have the Superdelegates declare now, get the nomination over with, so that by the time we get to the Convention, it's just a coronation, and the memory of the Superdelegate selection is a distant memory.
May 7, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can people (I'm looking at you, Louisville) please stop using the term "disenfranchise" when refering to the primaries? If this were an actual election, then yes, use the term, for it makes sense in that context.
As far as the primaries go, insisting that everyone has a constitutional right to vote for a nominee is like insisting that everyone has a right to vote on what flavor cookies the Girl Scouts will sell next year.
THIN MINTS '08!!!!!
May 7, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, just to be sure. If the Supers stepped in and gave it to Hillary. No problem right? No whining or saying bad things. Just primary politics right?
May 7, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's OVER. Your candidate lost, get a grip and MOVE ON.
May 7, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bold and italics won't change the fact that Florida and LSU kicked OSU's Ass two years in a row.
May 7, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
And repeating lame arguments over and over again won't change the fact that Hilary can't win without party elites subverting the will of those who voted and participated, and that there is absolutely no reason why superdelegates can't announce their intentions as soon as they think it is approprite or necessary to do so. Sheesh.
May 7, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Clinton led in pledged delegates, it would not be a problem. She does not. Obama does have the lead in pledged delegates.
May 7, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the supers did that it would still be legit. It wouldn't be smart politics because there is no real rational for it; but it would be legit for sure.
May 7, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Louisville -- Right now, Obama has 1840 delegates and Hilary has 1644 delegates -- which includes superdelegates that have committed to one of the two candidates (and she actually leads slightly in superdelegates who have committed to her campaign, although they are very close to dead even on that metric with the last few defections and commitments made today). In other words, Obama holds a 53-47% lead in delagates (actually, 52.8% to 47.2%). That's greater than a 5% lead, which is decisive, not close. And if you eliminate the superdelgates from that count, themargin is even greater -- without superdelegates counted at all, the consensus is that Obama has
Now with all due respect -- and that's not much, candidly -- if party elites take the nomination away from the candidate with 53% of the delegates and give it to the candidate with 47% of the delegates, that will be a problem -- not just for me, but for anybody with even the slightest sense of democratic values. If they get behind the candidate with 53% of the delegates, that will not be a problem. You see, unless he is unelectable -- irremediably tainted in ways that the electorate did not have a fair or timely opportunity to evaluate through the primary and caucus process, then the SD's can act to save the party from that type of unexpected development. And if it turns out that You Tube has video of Obama molesting young boys, like a priest, or cheering on the Rev. Wright when he was spouting anti-semitic or anti-American hyperbole, than the SDs can protect the party, and I will be the first to applaud them for doing that. But short of that, to upset the close, but decisive, will of the voters would be the ultimate act of elitism and would very likely tank the party's chances going into the general election. If I were a young person or an African American who is enthusiastically supporting Obama, who is winning 53%-47%, and I saw the party elites and insiders take the nomination away from Obama and hand it Hilary because they think she would appeal more to blue collar working class democrats in a few rust belt states, I would be infuriated and might well sit out the election rather than vote for a party that would act in so unedmocratic a fashion. So short of a You Tube video of Obama blowing a dog, or diddling a child, I think you need to get a grip, face reality, and accept the fact that the great Clinton machine lost one.
As the Electoral College predictor website (http://www.electoral-vote.com/) wrote today in its analysis of last night's results:
In order for Hillary Clinton to catch up, she is going to have to win 187 of these 217 [pledged delegates remaining to be chosen] or 86%. This is an impossible task given that the two candidates are expected to split the six remaining contests (Kentucky, West Virginia, and Puerto Rico for Clinton; Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota for Obama). Suppose Clinton gets an average of 55% in her states and 45% in his states. Then Clinton gets 15 (WV), 28 (KY), 23 (OR), 30 (PR), 7 (SD), and 7 (MT) for a total of 110. Obama gets 13 (WV), 23 (KY), 29 (OR), 25 (PR), 9 (SD), and 8 (MT) for a total of 107. All in all, she nets 3 delegates. If we add these numbers to the AP's totals, we get Obama 1947, Clinton 1794 with 308 supers yet to announce. Obama will also be ahead in the popular vote and in the number of states won. All Obama would need is 78 of the 308 supers (25%). Clinton would need 75% of them. Would the supers massively decide to overturn the preference of the voters? Considering that many of them are elected officials, they are very sensitive to what the voters want. A congressman in a district that voted for Clinton could support her on the grounds that his constituents wanted that (regardless of the national totals) but a congressman whose district went for Obama would be inviting a primary challenge by ignoring both his own district and the national results."
Moreover, consider the reality that most Superdelegates who support Hilary have announced theeir support already -- not announcing their support for her by this point is pretty near fatal for her campaign -- so the 306 SDs who are undeclared are most likely leaning Obama or truly undecided, and looking for cover before they commit (since they do not want to face Clintonian revenge if they support Obama and he then loses). It is for this reason that so many of us have seen the battle for the nomination as pretty much over since Hilary got beaten decisively in Wisconsin. The delegate numbers since then are almost unchanged, despite the perception that she has had the momentum during that period -- in fact, by an accident of timing, several of her strongest states held their primaries in March and April (and she actually substantially underperformed the margins she once held in those states over Obama, and failed to achieve margins that she absolutely needed to have in those states in order to have any chance at winning the nomination). Her campaign has been one tactical disappointment after another, and the 13 in a row that she lost in Febriary sealed the deal -- she had no back-up strategy if Super Tuesday did not produce the victory she expected, and the consequence of one dimensional thinking are now playing out.
No, this one is over, and asking us to endorse a superdelegate coup d'etats which installs Hilary over the popular will of the voters who participated in the primaries and caucuses, on the theory that Obama needs superdelegates also in order to get the 2049 delegates he also needs to win, is lame. She should have thought about this scenario back in January, when she saw herself as the presumptive nominee.
May 7, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, thats way too long can you digest it down to a sentence or two? You already know I am not that bright.
May 7, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just look at the part in the middle with the states and numbers. He even did the math for you.
May 7, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo.
May 7, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon, us hillshits in Medina cain't read more than 3 words at a time.
May 7, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have said that I will leave the Democratic Party and become an Independent. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't vote for Hillary. Between her, McCain, & Nader, she is the best choice. I just would have lost complete faith in the Democratic Party to the point where I could no longer be a member.
May 7, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
DISENFRENCHFRY!!!!!!!!!!
May 7, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
PEEPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 7, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Louisville -
Ok I think we get you are pissed. But please get serious. Nobody stole it. Fl and Mi will get seated. As far as for folks calling for her to drop. I think it safe to say a lot of that is coming from us folks tired of the party fighting amongst itself. Never a good thing. She'll leave when she's good and ready and not before as is her right. Would I like sooner than later,sure, but it has to be her choice.
May 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, seated at what they voted?
May 7, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Probably, yeah. Even with MI and FL, Hillary is well behind.
May 7, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
**Shhhhh. Really. Just shhhhhh.
May 7, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am going to watch in awe of Obama's leadership abilities.
The talk is over, it now time for him to step up and lead.
May 7, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
F.U.
May 7, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on.
You chose him to lead and it is time to step up.
What is he going to do about gas prices again?
May 7, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not lie and pander, for starters...
May 7, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on.
Solutions people.
What is it.
May 7, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's only solution was pandering.
May 7, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, you admit he has no solution.
Well, I feel much better now.
Thanks for nothing.
May 7, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you want to see Obama's energy plans click on this link
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
But of course you don't want to see his plans because you are a pathetic little troll.
May 7, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't go throwing facts at him.
It's not what he's looking for.
He's pathetic. Thankfully now his cracks have no affect. Time and again, he has been able to see the future, to see that Obama was going to lose.
He doesn't know shit.
May 7, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, unless you expect him to shoot a gusher of black gold out of his ass, there's not a whole lot he or anyone else can do about the oil running out. There's a finite supply of it. You do understand this, don't you?
May 7, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about getting Higher MPG standards passed? That is something he has done already. How about his proposal to move us from corn based ethanol to Cellulosic ethanol so that food prices come back down? He and His pal Deval Patrick are working together on that one. How about engaging diplomatically in the middle east by talking to our enemies as well as our friends? The price of oil will fall based on the calming influence of negations alone. How about his plan to subsidize companies that keep jobs in the US which will have the effect of strengthening the dollar which will reduce the relative price of oil in its own right? Anything else you wanna know?
May 7, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotalife (or is it Lostalife?), all of the above which your pal, Hillary, has voted against or campaigned against. So, what do you have to say about that? Is that $28.00 your idea of an 'energy policy'? Really?
Why don't you just wise up? It's basically over, even you can see that. So, are you just going to sit on the sidelines and gush out your little, small-minded, sarcastic crap for the next 4-9 years? What is the point? Do you really think you will sway anyone to your way of thinking? Do you really need the ego trip you obviously are on? Is that the most important thing to you, in the world? Quit it. Grow up. Be a person and a citizen. This isn't scrabble or T-ball and you are not 10 years old. I understand you are disappointed and even angry, but what is the point of your constant, sarcastic comments? Please, pray tell.
May 7, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought you said you were leaving. See!?! Can't trust a thing gotalife says.
May 7, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's answer is to exploit the ANWR, and inplement even more deregulation. Oh yeah, make the Bush tax cuts permanent and let the market solve the problem. He has no energy policy, no health care policy, no military policy (apart from ginning up a military response for every situation) and no fiscal policy.
Hilary has a lot of policies -- many of which I like, and all of which are more or less (95%+) the same as Obama's policy positions, but she has no ability to sell them to the American people or convince them that, as a Clinton, she is nevertheless an agent for change. Her presidency would be 4 more years of contentious polarity, as republicans do everything in their power to destroy her and everything she stands for.
They will likely try the same thing against Obama -- but he has gifts, like Reagan did -- the ability to connect with people and to take otherwise contentious issues and make them seem less contentious by de-emotionalizing them. He is also very measured and calm in a crisis, as evidenced by his handling of the campaign during this very rocky period. He is consistent and not prone to excessive hyperbole -- and he is clearly willing to speak truth to the public and to power. Compared to the non-stop pandering and race baiting from the Clinton and McCain campaigns and one realizes just what a breath of fresh air Obama really is.
Dems voted overwhelmingly for Reagan's tax cuts despite the fact that they were regressive because they felt politically pressured to do so, because a decisive majority in 1980 voted for change, and Reagan went over the heads of the politicans to the people and got the congress to go along. Obama can accomplish the same thing, if he wins a "change" election decisively, as many of us expect him to do (after all, George HW Bush defeated Dukakis easily, despite the fact that Dukakis was 15% up in the polls as late as in the late summer of 1988).
May 7, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, he's going to quadruple them, all by himself. That what you want to hear?
May 7, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just hope he doesn't take Hillary's stance on gas prices: worthless two faced pandering in the hopes that the American people are as stupid as Gotalife.
May 7, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hope is his position?
Come on lets get real.
Give me something that will give me hope for his leadership ability.
Time to be specific.
Time to step up and be a leader.
May 7, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time to stop posting meaningless sentences.
May 7, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
actually, I thought goatlife was going for a more Hemingway-esque style. short. terse. but still insane.
May 7, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hemingway?
Thanks.
May 7, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes... Hemingway AFTER the brain damage.
May 8, 2008 7:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
May 7, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
You've already been given a link to his energy policy.
What's the matter can't read? Can't click on a link?
Idiot.
May 7, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wouldn't hold your breath. But you do seem now to have "hope" and that is all it takes.
May 7, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have to love how gotalife has transformed from a tireless Hillary cheerleader who spews out the same lame talking points like a stuttering Rain Man, or a robot with turrets - into a sort of an objective cynic, giving Obama stern advice dripping with sincerity. Man, shut the fuck up.
May 7, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, lets see his leadership to shut me up whiner.
May 7, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
It took Clinton 8 years in the Senate to even introduce her DOA gas tax holiday bill, and she never lead on anything else in her time there. Obama just clinched the nomination. He'll lead--more than Clinton ever did--come January 21.
May 7, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
You insufferable little troll twit.
May 7, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey! What are you doing here? I thought you left for good hours ago?
What a waste of a perfectly good Farewell speech.
May 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I asked him to lead, and I gave him 3 minutes to do it..... Ok, That's it, he's all talk.
Signed,
Gotalife
May 7, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where were you last night, pal?
Hiding out with Taylor Marsh? The other dead enders?
Go away or just transfer all of your allegiances to McCain. Your candidate will not be the nominee.
As my old friend said, Wake up and smell the vomit.
May 7, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is one group that Hillary Clinton will HAVE to listen to: her donors. I expect even now they're telling her to pack it in.
May 7, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I expect her traditional donors were already pretty much played out. If she can create the illusion of a victory plan perhaps she can squeeze a bit more out of ordinary fold on the internet. It doesn't have to realistic.
And then perhaps she can come asking for Obama to replenish the family coffers Bill filled by consorting with the world's oligarchs and moguls!
May 7, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
But the bubble has popped. The illusion of a victory plan is gone. Even the MSM has changed their tune. I don't think she can sustain this for another week, much less two.
May 7, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not this one
May 7, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another of the cornerstones of the Clintons' INEVITABILITY CAMPAIGN has crumbled - the Gay Hackocracy
May 7, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
On C-Span the gop are still blocking all bills. Voting over and over to adjourn.
What is Obama's solution to break this deadlock?
May 7, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hope
May 7, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
They got nothing to offer.
I am not buying hope.
May 7, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hope...or there is not doing "politics as usual"....Take your pick
May 7, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
the point of hope is that it's not for sale.
May 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Haven't you left the site yet? You announced it with such fanfare.
So, be gone! Before someone drop a house on you too.
May 7, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
To use his fund-raising machine, 50-state strategy and long coat-tails to bring even more Dems into the House and Senate.
As you said youself, he was responsible for LA's 6th District going Dem.
May 7, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
No response, gotalife?
May 7, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Figures...
May 7, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
His coattails.
May 7, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotalife- thanks for worrying about how Obama is going to lead us. It's amazing how a single night can change a person. It's been single night since Hillary is done and you already sound a little less insane. Atleast you finally accept- Hillary is over. Good for you.
Now go grab a fruit juice, play bingo, take a nap and let a more sane club worry about the "issues."
May 7, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am talking about the issues and all you give me is hope.
Give me a detailed plan on gas prices.
Step up.
May 7, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
May 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not give you Hope, I'm just telling you to take a pill or two. You require prozac or something and then once you recover then a bit of hope and then the issues. But at this unstable state of mind you need help to get over Hillary.
May 7, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, asshat, here's a plan: vote for McCain.
And watch as gas prices double or triple when he nukes Iran.
IOW, shut up or get the f*** off the bus.
May 7, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
What was Clinton's solution to get her DOA gas tax bill out of committee?
May 7, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about INCREDABLY strong coat tails? Espically as shown in the special elections in Louisiana and for Hasterts old seat. Coupled with the fact that 23 of the 33 senate seats up in this years election are currently heald by republicans. Obama's strenght down ticket is proven. With a litle luck we could end up with an over 60 vote super majority.
May 7, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about INCREDABLY strong coat tails? Espically as shown in the special elections in Louisiana and for Hasterts old seat. Coupled with the fact that 23 of the 33 senate seats up in this years election are currently heald by republicans. Obama's strenght down ticket is proven. With a litle luck we could end up with an over 60 vote super majority.
May 7, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps Hillary would have done what Bill did in that Congressional situation... adopt GOP talking points as his own and sell the liberal wing of the Democratic Party down the river.
It was an ugly few years after the Clinton's screw ups in 1993 and 1994 led to the Republican Revolution.
Leadership? HARDLY!
May 7, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
DREAM TICKET! DREAM TICKET! DREAM TICKET!
For a VP, there is nobody who can do as much for Barack Obama as Hillary can, she is the best attack dog in the business, he can stay above the fray and she can attack. Between the demographics that she attracts and the demographics he attracts they will be UNBEATABLE. Its such an obvious unifying solution.
Who better to have as your attack dogs than Hillary and BIll, there you get the REAL two for one.
Lets UNITE this part NOW with the DREAM TICKET.
May 7, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. & NO.
That wouldn't not be turning the page on the past and only inviting in the stench of scandal after scandal after scandal that will undoubtedly follow them into the administration.
NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. & NO.
NEVER HAPPENING.
May 7, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
and … NO.
Just want to make sure it's stressed enough. :)
May 7, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not a chance in hell.
A) There is no way Hillary can campaign for Obama after all the shit she's said. It'd only drive down her already gutter-level trust issues.
B) It goes against the entire premise of Obama's campaign.
C) Obama does not need the Clinton's baggage. Bill has already proven to be a loose cannon on the campaign trail.
And on and on and on...
May 7, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, no.
May 7, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't be naive. Hillary for VP is like making a hole on the deck of the ship before you sail into the ocean. She has no interest in the party or the VP slot, she will at best be less enthusiastic and at worst foil Obama's chances so she can again make a cliam in 2012.
Hillary is yesterday.
Most of her base will come home slowly but surely once she exits.
May 7, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The DLC is dead. Long live the Democratic Party.
May 7, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this Mike Dukakis?
May 7, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
No wait. Could it be the ghost of Thomas "tip" O'Neill?
May 7, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ummm...are you a person or some kind of organization being paid to promote this idea on political blogs?
May 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time to step up your game folks.
People want leaders not just words of hope.
He has to step up and lead now.
May 7, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are your parents brother & sisters?
May 7, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I'm guessing Unmarried Mother is more likely…
May 7, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
That kind of shot doesn't become you Poindexter
May 7, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon, it's a great science fiction story! It's so good, I wouldn't even mind it being used on me!
May 7, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well he's got your vote right? So he must be doing the right thing.
May 7, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Step up your game"?
WTF - are you channeling Chamillionaire all of a sudden?
ROFLMAO!
May 7, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
See Tena, I caught that too - nice. lol
May 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
O you like the Dirty South.
O I am in love, too. This will be a beautiful virtual relationship since I'm married and old enough to know better (but do I care? no, I don't.)
May 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear you. I have a vibe.com blog as well where I constantly talk about old school Hip Hop, completely targeting the opposite demographic that Vibe wants to reach. But I don't give a fuck, I'm a Hip Hop Uncle Rico(Napoleon Dynamite) - Rap-wise, I'm stuck in the late 80's and early 90's. lol
May 7, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can bring it all up the way up to today with TI, for one.
But I've been stuck in the early 80s listening to Illmatic over and over and over -
goddamn Nas is a genius.
May 7, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
You don't get any arguments here about Illmatic, a definite classic.
May 7, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is your plan to just keep repeating this nonsense ad nauseam? If so, go back to posting pro-Clinton garbage, please.
May 7, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, at least the Clinton stuff had some variety.
May 7, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure Barack gives a shit what you think he has to do.
I sure don't, and it doesn't appear anyone else here does.
Douchebag.
May 7, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it will definitely happen. Just wait and see.
OBAMA-CLINTON 08
May 7, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah she train her boss.
I doubt that will happen.
These trolls hate the Clintons too much.
May 7, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does that mean you support it?
Also, he's leading, but the rubber necking on her train wreck is taking up a lot of space.
May 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, wrong. I have spent 15 years defending the Clintons, only to have them repay the favor by using GOP tactics to try to destroy a fellow democrat, because she is too stubborn and self-absorbed to understand that there is nothing less attractive in this world than a bad loser -- something that was patently obvious after Obama beat her decisively in Wisconsin. Seriously, for a woman who endured countless humilations (and loss of respect) to a philandering husband who was blown by a 21 year old intern in the oval office -- and who then made made her stand by his side while he lied to protect his "place in history" -- for that person to pontificate to Obama that she would have left a Church whose pastor said things that were so "out of bounds" is an act of rank hypocrisy so profound that it literally boggles the mind. That she would then call her opponent -- a man who was raised by a single mother (and then by his grandparents after she died and left him an orphan), and who has accomplished virtually everything he has ever accomplished on his own, without the benefits of being the child of privilege, and without the benefit of running for President in the backdraft of a spouse who happens to be a former president -- to call that man an elitist when you are a "Rodham" who made 120 Million over the last 7 yers, and who is now using all of the party elites and machine apparatus to prolong this agony for the rest of us -- is beyond mind blowing. I honestly don't know how she can look at herself in the mirror these days.
Oddly enough, I do not want her to be forced out of this. I do want her to stop the GOP tactics and give us a reason to vote FOR her, not AGAINST her fellow democrat, Obama, and I would be quite happy if she finally came to the realization that som many others came to a long time afo that continuing this effort is not only a huge waste of money and energy, for no good purpose, but also quite corrosive to the party and its ultimate goal of taking back the White House in November. But I am not advocating that she drop out until she is ready to do so -- I merely remain amazed that someone of her obvious intellect has such a blind spot that she cannot see how much damage she is doing to herself by continuing down this sorry path that Mark Penn sold her on in February. Her karma, but that doesn't make it right, or good.
May 7, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not a chance. Had she run a clean campaign it would be the clear choice. But everything she has said will come back to haunt her as a VP candidate.
May 7, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are many other options who bring Clinton's base but without her baggage: Webb, Sibelius, Clark, etc...
May 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
i'm not sure that webb and his past sexist comments helps with hillary's real base
May 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Republicans would certainly flog this for all it's worth. Article by Jim Webb from 1979 called "Women Can't Fight." The title alone does make things dicey:
http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/mediapolitics/2182.html
May 7, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, Webb's my boy! I mean, we never went out drinking together, participated in "jumping" someone in our gang as part of an initiation, he didn't even serve as my hype-man during my rapping days - but I did vote for the guy here in Virginia, on top of canvass my black ass off for him leading up to the election. He is a good man.
May 7, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about Russ Feingold? He would help with Jewish voters, blue collar voters, and older voters, and could well be decisive for Obama in WI and FL. And he is one of the great progressive Democrats. Yes, a very left leeaning ticket -- but, let's face it, it's long overdue.
Talk about making the GOP pay for the last 8 years. Obama Feingold '08!!
May 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
NO.
It won't and I think it's a stupid idea.
May 7, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
"his own running mate has said that i'm more qualified to be president than he is"
great idea
May 7, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Folks: Why do you keep stepping in Goatshite droppings! Just step around them, and move on.
May 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
because sometimes you can riff off of gotnolife.
that's half the function of a troll.
May 7, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go back to doing the idiotic wave.
You got nothing in the debate department.
Geez.
May 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
This from the dumbest fucking person on this site?
This from the inbred fuckwit who spends his time cutting and pasting Karl Rove's talking points?
Fuck off dipshit.
May 7, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seconded.
He thinks debating consists of screaming his opinion, then when answered sticking his fingers in his ears shouting "I can't hear you".
He's asked umpteen times for how Obama's going to address the energy issues. Each time he's been given a link to Obama's (IMO) substantive energy policy. Yet he keeps on asking the same question.
If this conversation were occurring in the real world, everyone standing around would be openly laughing at the little prick.
But, of course he likes the attention; he even thinks it equates to 'winning an debate'.
Anyone here think he's winning any debates?
May 7, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
So much for the Troll's promise he was going to leave.
Go on over to the circle-jerk at Taylor Marsh to get your Obama-hating rocks off (assuming you have a pair).
May 7, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bucky....shhhhhh Florida....LSU.....Rich Rodriguez is in Ann Arbor
May 7, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh what a bitter, small thing you are!
And when was the last time Louisville played in a BCS National Championship game...or even WON a national title in football?
))))))))))))))-crickets-(((((((((((((
I love bitter Shrillary Trolls who try to hang on to someone else's reflected glory to pump themselves up, when your choice lost.
Rich Rod?
when was the last time he beat Ohio State?
Better yet, when was the last time Louisville beat OSU in *anything*?
)))))))))))))))-more crickets-(((((((((((((((
LOL
May 7, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
don't be bitter bucky, yes you can play 10 other equally bad teams and beat them next year and again get your ass handed to you in a title game. It is OSU isn't it?
May 7, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey dipshit from Medina, it's BuckEYE, NOT Bucky.
Are they all as stupid as you are in Medina, or Louisville?
How many Championships has Louisville won again?
))))))))))-crickets-((((((((((
May 7, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS
May 7, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
IS GOOD NEWS FOR HILLARY....good lord. Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
May 7, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bitter, clinging Hillbot Troll.
May 7, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn all you people!
May 7, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Washington Blade is gay
May 7, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
that is excellent news - that potentially means that gays and lesbians and transsexuals will go with Obama.
I hope.
May 7, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Were they when Hillary accepted their endorsement, or, in the words of Homer Simpson: Did Hillary give them gay?
May 7, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I really don't think it balances the ticket at all for Obama to pick someone else from Congress.
I really don't. I'd like to see him go with a governor, preferably a woman, but there are a number of Democratic govs out there now -
May 7, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
What about New Mexico's Richardson?
May 7, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently Richardson likes the ladies.....
May 7, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love Bill R. but he has more in common with Bill Clinton than the same first name.
What about Sebelius?
May 7, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like Sebelius, a lot, but I feel like she's little known and KS doesn't have that many electoral votes and he might win there as a favorite grandson anyway. Still, it should be about the person. I think a woman would be the way to go. Maybe, to Bayh's point, someone from the HRC camp. But whom?
May 7, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've heard the word "tepid" used to describe her so I'm not so sure she's the ideal candidate.
May 7, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Napolitano's an interesting pick. There was a recent poll where Obama kept McCain under 50% in Arizona. Imagine making him have to pour money into defending his own home state.
May 7, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Louisville, who exactly do you think is going to be at the convention? It's going to be pledged delegates, super delegates and add-on delegates. So at some point, whether they make an official endorsement now, or wait and surprise us all in August, the super delegates are going to have a vote and their vote would be required by both candidates, since neither of them have enough pledged delegate to fully put them over the top. One simply has more than the other and so that gives him greater legitimacy.
May 7, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry about him. He's just a Hillbot - bitter and clinging to his vanquished candidate.
May 7, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obviously they aren't going to step on a first vote either at the convention. From the second vote on at the convention it will be whoever can put together the best coalition of delegates win. In this way the Superdels will not now or then appear to have made a move to end this process. I've said this for months so it isn't a new thought.
May 7, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bitterness is not a strategy....
And B-U-R-P is not spelled G-E-E-Z.
Son... you need to step away from it a bit.
You are better than this.
At least I think you are.
May 7, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROTFLMAO
May 7, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
the rest of the article is the best part, they go after Hillary for her negative campaign and her dirty tactics while praising Obama for not stooping to her level. It isn't just a call for her to quit, it is switching an endorsement from her to Obama.
May 7, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am sticking to my prediction that I made in March. Senator Obama will pick Governor Ted Strickland of Ohio to be his running mate.
He needs to put Ohio in play, and he also needs someone with executive and blue collar issues experience. Governor Strickland fits the bill, unless he has some skeletons in his closet that the vetting procedure uncovers.
May 7, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hate to disagree here, but Ohio needs Strickland to continue as governor after 16 years of disasterous, scandal-ridden, Repub rule.
Trust me, Ohio will be in the Obama column once the fall campaign begins, and Strickland will definitely be campaigning in his base in SE Ohio.
May 7, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another Hillary SD defects. It's begun...
May 7, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's another way he can win 'legitimately' without it going to Convention.
When Hillary runs out of money and concedes.
If she quits, is that legit enough for you?
May 7, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do you think about a Obama/Gore ticket! I think whoever Obama picks as his vp should be done by picking a person who would be very popular with voters to compensate for any "defector-mentality" minded people who say that they wouldn't vote Obama, just bec Clinton lost (which would be retarded because Obama and Clinton are 90% similar ISSUE-WISE-Healthcare, war, etc... while Clinton vs McCain are close to 0% Issue-wise, but are more like opposites!) I want for whoever Obama picks for vp to resoundingly put him over the top! What do you all think about Obama/Gore, and if not Obama/Gore, who would resoundingly put Obama over the top as vp!
May 7, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why would Gore ever accept a VP slot again?!
May 7, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's my dream ticket, actually. It would also shore up any perceptions that Obama isn't experienced enough. I really doubt it, but if given the right deal, such as czar of the environment with full oversight of the EPA and things like that, he might agree to a single term. I also wonder if Gore would get a 2000 sympathy vote from people who regret their vote for Bush. I think he would add so much to the ticket, but again, I doubt he'd do it. My sense is that he's done with being a politician.
May 7, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
louisville 1975 either does not understand the difference between the super. dels supporting the candidate leading in states, popular vote and won delegates or supporting a longtime party personality. One represents the majority of the voting Democratic party members. The other represents.....? Her egotistical self? She has blatantly pandered the suspension of the gas tax and threatened to obliterate Iran. The only superiority she has shown me in her campaign is her willinness to use the lowest possible forms of gutter slime to assail her opponent. If the Dems want a candidate that is willing to pull out every stop against McCain she is your woman. If the Dems want a candidate with character who will still beat McCain, then Obama is your man.
Or it is trolling.
May 7, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok Bin Laden. How do you prove to me that the "majority of Democratic Party members" actually voted for him in the primaries. Since most were open affairs....you can't.
NEXT!
May 7, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
that's retarded.....
May 7, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, 7% of Hilary's voters in Indiana said, in exit polls, that they would support McCain over wither Clinton or Obama in the general election -- meaning they were conservatives voting for her to prevcent Obama from winning IN. That's 45,000 votes she got from Operation Chaos, Limbaugh's gift to the Democratic party, one that she accepts with all the gratitude one would expect from someone who finally decided to weigh on Rev. Wright (after weeks of dignified silence) in the offices of Richard Mellon Scaife, and who has been in a prolonged French kiss with Bill O'Reilly and Rupert Murdoch at Fox. 45,000 is roughly twice her margin of victory in IN. Must feel weird to win a primary with the decisive votes of people who spent 1993-2001 trying to destroy you and everything you stand for. Well, it would to me. Hillary does not seem to have any desire to indulge such thoughts or feelings, or to process the broader implications of what she is doing, and who is supporting her at this point in that effort.
May 7, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know if Gore would accept the VP slot again, but my question is why not? Obama has already said that he wants Gore in a very high position in his presidency! I'm been thinking about it since my post though and reading what others have said about the subject. Obama/Gore sounds good when you first say it, but when you start thinking about it you wonder if its even a good idea. Gore has mass appeal, won the nobel prize and who is better experienced than he? It's funny to compare the two also Obama's great energy to Gore's mundane robot-ness (except that one crazy speech he gave when he looked like he was having a fit and losing his mind!) What about Obama/Edwards (I kinda don't like that idea since Edwards hasn't endorsed and has said that He likes Obama alot but sometimes wants more policy explanation, etc, but eeeh, could it work, would it be resoundingly over the top, and wise?) I've known that Obama would be the nominee since he won 11 in a row. I believe the single most important topic now is who will he pick as his vp! Obama/Clinton would be a dream ticket if they wereb't philsopicially different, but who would be just as good, or closest to good as Clinton as vp, that would put Obama over the top just as much as Clinton would if there weren't philosopicial differences?
May 7, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree.
She can go to these two states (Kentucky and West Virginia) and attack McCain all she wants. She'll increase the voter registration, get some excitement going for the Dems, win the states easily, and bow out gracefully on a high note.
She's smart, a good speaker, it will be good for the party. People who will never come out to hear a black man speak will hear her put forward the Democratic platform, and she'll be able to fundraise online as long as she's running to pay herself back a little of what she's fronted.
She's a Democrat, she's not going to shred the party, she might want to run for Gov. of NY one day soon, she's not going to risk everything for nothing.
AS LONG AS SHE'S NOT ATTACKING OBAMA, she can begin the healing process now and still stay in.
If she makes one attack, passive or aggressive, I take all of this back, but I think she knows it's over but for the balloons and confetti.
May 7, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope I get good feedback from my last question? What would be the Obama dream ticket? Moving along, this is what I believe and hope will happen! Clinton will campaign for Obama, therefore her supporters will vote Obama, because Clinton actively campaigns for him to show her supporters that she wants them to vote for him! That is what I believe will happen and will instantly have any democrat that wouldn't vote Obama, vote Obama to vote Democratic! With Hillary actively seen behind Obama, all will unite! Simple as that! Now, Obama appears to be a very intelligent man. Therefore I believe that he will pick the a person for vp who shares his ideals, and also puts him over the top as well! I am confident in that! I believe that it is a sure thing that Obama will easily win the White House and be the next President of the US for 5 reasons! 1) Hillary's and the Entire Democratic party's campaining for him + way more money than McCain 2) Excellent VP Choice that will overwhelmingly appeal to the country 3) Everyone's tired of the GOP, the country confidence in the government is at an all-time low, (Bush's all-time apporval rating lows, etc)that is when the other party easily steps in (also remember McCain is not even who most republicians want, their nomination process didn't work for them this year to even pick someone that most of them liked! 4) Obama had been doing pretty well in a McCain matchup for a long time (it went down a little after the controversies) but this is with Hillary still in the picture. With Hillary out of the picture and people behind Obama in a much more massive way I think that the potential is for Obama to be overwhelming the fav (because people are behind him more massively). Plus, all the GOP has is Wright. Obama and the democrats have 8 years of disappointment that EVERYONE wants to get rid of NOW to use AGAINST MCCAIN! 5.Destiny
May 7, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama-Reno 2008!
May 7, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
it's just fun to say.....
May 7, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I completely agree that if she stays in the race and doesn't get too personal on Obama, she helps him. Let's register voters in West Virgina, Kentucky, and the like.
The best thing she can do is fabricate another crazy policy idea that Obama can stand against on principle. That gas tax holiday insulted anyone who paid any attention. Obama handled it really well.
She has also aired out his problems. McCain and the right's 527's would have done the same, but they would wait until October. So, let those issues fly now so people can get used to them.
Also, Obama has become very strident. Last night's speech was the best I've seen him since New Hampshire. He's like a maturing rock band. Not just easy melodic cadences anymore. When he shouted over the crowd that he "love[s] this country too much to see it divided and distracted" after mentioning the flag draped over his grandfather's coffin was magical. The story of Michelle's father getting MS at age 30 but working through it, not for just a paycheck, but because of dignity - he was nailing it.
McCain is toast.
May 7, 2008 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe, the newspaper should be the one to tell its readers to help push BILLARY Clinton OFF the political cliff!
May 7, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
SHA NA NA SAY HEY HEY GOODBYE!!!AND GOOD RIDDANCE TO THE IRON ***** AND THAT TROLL GOATLIFE!!!
May 7, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama have vastly different personalities and it would be a constant struggle--who's on top. From a woman's standpoint I can't see Hillary and Michelle getting along too well. Then there's Bill--sleezy ol Bill hanging out at the White House doing his sleezy deals-that bothers me most. Bill has to have his Power trip--that's mostly why he wants to be back at 1600. The idea of being irrelevant infuriates him. Most people don't seem to realize that the Bill of yesterday is gone. He's just a nasty old geezer now. Poor Bill. Poor Hill.
May 7, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Y'all are being so mean to Hillary and I understand why, but I think we should began taking a different approach. I've known that Obama would win since before early March when he won 11 in a row. I've been thinking to myself it will be so wonderful to see all these Clinton-deluded people have to face Obama win, as he does! But now that it's happening I'm thinking differently. Clinton has one huge chance right now to repair her character and that is run a positive campaign now and when Obama is chosen, actively campaign for him. Now that Obama has closed the deal, he needs to campaign on the issues and focus on McCain. Let Clinton exit with grace and dignity! That is the mature route to take. With Obama as the nominee, Gore, Edwards, Clinton, and every other important big name will be backing him! Clinton should campaign with vigor for Obama since she is the most prominent Democrat right now, besides Obama. Regardless of who Obama chooses for vp, it would still have the same effects that it would if it were a Clinton/Obama ticket, if Clinton vigorously lets it be known that she is backing Obama and his vp for the White House. That's the attitude I'm taking right now. This is how it should unfold... (Clinton, herself has said that she will support Obama if he is the nominee.)
May 7, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I meant it would still have the same effects if it were a Obama/Clinton ticket, if... (lol)
May 7, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do you think about a Obama/Gore ticket!
Not electable. Would be perceived as too liberal by the moderate independents; the Right Wing likes to pin the elitist tag on Gore, and would be painted as a double-elitist ticket. Pairing Mr. Change with Mr. Global Warming would be a field day for Limbaugh and Faux News.
Same goes for the Obama-Clinton ticket. That would draw just enough of the 'stop-Hillary-at-any-cost' crowd to tilt the race in favor of McCain.
Obama's choice for VP will display how finely tuned his political radar is. He needs to pick a centrist, ideally with military credentials, to assure voters that the two wars will be under competent and experienced command. Wes Clark is obvious but he's loyal to the Clintons; I wonder he'd accept the bid anyway.
May 7, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just want a big role for Bill Richardson. I will never forget that day he endorsed Obama, and then all that "Judas" crap--he deserves to have Carville crawl to him.
May 8, 2008 1:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Kerry too. He has done a great job at being a spokesperson for Obama. I actually like Kerry a lot more now than I did when he ran for president.
May 8, 2008 1:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
oh, I think Clinton concedes after the last vote, but you morons seem to be in denial about two things. 1. it has been a very close contest, there is something unseemly about the hysterical rhetoric about Clinton. 2. sure, the current government has a number of non-AA losers, namely W and Rumsfeld, and Feith. But non-AA losers and incompetents are atill a small minority of the elite. However, it is hard to find any AA member of the elite who is not a loser or incompetent, although Obama stands out as not obviously either, but neither has he shown any real, substantive accomplishments in his life. Sad to say, in any field that requires intellectual talent, i.e. economics, law, physics you just don't find any AAs anywhere. They're all over in the AA History or AA Studies departments, churning out "scholarship."
May 8, 2008 3:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you keep muddying the waters with this blatant eugenics tripe, I'm going to sick the ghost of Eldridge Cleaver on you.
May 8, 2008 7:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
After doing some research on the issue, I'm wondering if an Obama/Biden ticket would be the best one. Their names would definitely be ironic O(s)ama Bi(nla)den. What kind of crazy twist of fate would that be?! Anyway, I still wonder if that's the best ticket. Clark is too pro-Clinton, people can't picture Richardson as president, Edwards straddles the fence too long, and people say Gore would push independents and people who would cross party lines away because he's considered too far left and elitest! Still I wonder how the scenerios would actually play out and if I'm missing someone who would transcend all four of these possibilities! Imagine an Obama/Powell ticket, LMAO!!
May 8, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink