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Obama To Defend Negotiations With Cuba, In Front Of Miami Cuban Audience

Barack Obama's call for negotiations with hostile foreign leaders has been hammered particularly hard by John McCain among Florida's Cuban community, a politically powerful demographic in the important swing state.

Now Obama is set to rebut McCain's attacks in a speech to the Cuban American National Foundation, scheduled to begin at 12:30 p.m., in which he's going to offer a vigorous defense of his position and actually try to win them over.

"Now I know what the easy thing is to do for American politicians," Obama will say, according to prepared excerpts. "Every four years, they come down to Miami, they talk tough, they go back to Washington, and nothing changes in Cuba. That's what John McCain did the other day. He joined the parade of politicians who make the same empty promises year after year, decade after decade."

"Instead of offering a strategy for change, he chose to distort my position, embrace George Bush's, and continue a policy that's done nothing to advance freedom for the Cuban people."


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The man is on a roll.

I can't wait for a McCain anger explosion that dooms his candidacy. He can only take so much of this, and as far as I'm concerned, Obama has bested him each and every time.

And the best part is that all of Obama's attacks are aimed at POLICY, none are Personal. This is actually different and although debating policy isn't exactly a new idea in politics, it is certainly a refreshing new direction compared to the seemingly endless cycles of personality driven elections.

Obama is the rare leader who has the ability to change how the majority of people think. He will put this country on his shoulders and take the country in his direction, or in the Billy Glad inspired mythical version It goes like this.

I was one of the many who went into this worrying that Obama wouldn't be aggressive enough, but he's actually been very eager to go on the attack. He just usually confines his attacks to policy or, somewhat less frequently, ethics.

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This is bold.

And this That's what John McCain did the other day. He joined the parade of politicians who make the same empty promises year after year, decade after decade."

will probably make McCain's head explode. "Empty promises" coupled with "year after year, decade after decade". Translation: McCain is old and offering nothing.

I guess we can expect a 39 page response from the McCain campaign this afternoon?

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McCain is only old if you consider 789 years OLD!

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while I respect mcCain's service to his country in the Spanish-American War, here is yet another case where he's stuck in the past, ignoring the current political diversity of cuban-americans.

Made me LOL!

Obama is going after McCain's supposed Straight Talking strength. If McCain loses that edge, well, the lights could go down on this election pretty early.

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He keeps poking McCain with a sharp stick. Almost like he's trying to provoke him.

Hmmmmmm.


Hmmmm, indeed!

;)

Well, it seemed to work when his Reagan comments made Bill Clinton jump the curb.

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Non sequitur.

I'd just add: No soap radio.

Sounds like a hell of a strategy to me. Keep that explosive McCain temper on display for oh, about the next five months or so.

McCain isn't used to, and doesn't like, being challenged directly like this. And he sure as hell isn't used to the scrutiny he's finally getting now that Obama is focused squarely on him.

Someone needs to create the McCain Meltdown Meter.

As Barack has said many times:

He tells people what they NEED to hear.

Not necessarily want they WANT to hear.

just like he told all of those iowa farmers that corn ethanol is stupid stupid stupid and will only drive up food prices and fuel costs...

he can afford to tell the rabid right-wing cuban single-issue voters in florida whatever he wants because he doesn't need them and they aren't gonna vote for him anyway. he's a politician and he tells people what they need to hear or want to hear based on whether or not HE needs 'em.

what an idiot!

I expect the speech to fall on deaf ears within the room, but it MAY actually help him with the rest of Florida. I can tell you that a lot of Floridians are tired of what they see as Cubans running the whole show in the state.

Actually, he appears to be achieving some degree of resonance.

He should suggest that we parachute in Ipods & gameboys. This would do more to capture the hearts and minds of the Cuban youth and change the dynamics of Cuban - U. S. realations than any embargo adjustments or diplomatic initiatives.

Of course, lifting the embargo might put AR, LA, NE, IA, & KS in play, while shoring up MO, IA and other farm states. It probably wouldn't hurt in FL as much as CW suggests either.

Yes - the whole cell phone thing that Raul allowed is a sign that there is wiggle room w/ him. Access to the internet (assuming the phones aren't ancient technology) would go a long way in exposure to the modern world and thereby change.
Seizing an opportunity w/ Raul would be the new politics move.

It's about time someone said to Miami's Cubans - as Obama did - that Cubans isolation and backward-assed standard of living since losing Soviet financial support is the direct result of our stupid policy - all so that expats here can make an empty, unproductive stand in order to retaliate for losing their property and wealth there. Meanwhile this noisy, disproportionately powerful group is comfy in sunny FL while their relatives suffer.

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There is nothing wrong with talking to your "enemies", as long as you can reason with them!

Is reasoning with people the only purpose to talk to them? I don't think so.

Pandered to the Jews and now the Cubans.

How about counting their votes Obama?

HAHA! This is the exact opposite of pandering! ha!

pandering
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

INCONCEIVABLE!!

Hilarious!

can you tell me how this is pander? this is the opposite of pandering. This is going to the lion's den and poking their eyes. Geesh

EXACTLY!!

Obama has many double standards...

This is part of Obama's attempt to redefine the argument. McCain's original attack was against Obama assertion during a debate that he would meet "without preconditions" with Castro and Ahmadinejad. It was the "preconditions" part that started the flap. Now Obama is defending his willingness to negotiate or talk with our enemies, which is very different than meeting without preconditions.

You're splitting hairs. The big-picture argument is this: do we continue Bush-style foreign policy, where we don't even talk to unfriendly nations unless they concede to our demands in advance, or do we give actual diplomacy a chance?

Our idiotic policy towards Cuba is not just a Bush formulation. McCain has been in the Senate for a very long time. Has he ever offered any innovative way of accomplish our actual objective of freeing them from oppression?

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So do you believe that McCain would meet with Raul Castro with preconditions?

when does a President meet with ANYBODY without pre-meeting discussions ???

the "without Preconditions" is the DUMBEST ARGUMENT on the planet

the president doesn't take a dump without a schedule

so you can act like you're stupid enough to buy this line of bullshit, or you can act like you understand reality and STFU

This is what separates Obama from Hillary, McCain and the others. He is a leader, he doesn't run around and tell each group what they want to hear. He tells black church congregations that they need to stop being homophobic. He tells auto manufacturers in Detroit that they need to start making more fuel efficient cars. He tells Cuban Americans in Miami the truth, that we need to stop pandering and stop following the same ignorant positions and try something new, something that has a much better chance of helping everyone.

Every single day he confirms to me that I made the right choice in supporting him from the beginning.

While I admire Obama's ability to take on McCain on this issue, I don't think I'd give him as much credit as you do. He tells black congregations to stop being homophobic, yet invites homophobe McClurkin to campaign on his behalf. He supports civil unions instead of telling people the truth--that equal rights through marriage is a civil rights issue that will not rest until marriage is national.


Telling auto manufactureres to make more fuel efficient cars? Umm...they will go out of business if they don't.

So, he's fine, but not the great leader everyone makes him out to be. But, compared to Kerry, this guy is much more on the ball.


No one said he is a "great leader" yet. Great is what you get after you exert leadership successfully over time. Great potential, sure.

That he actually aspires to actual leadership (not just power), that he invokes a vision that is challenges the conventional and ossified status quo, that he conceives of his task as partly inspiring others to effect the change that cannot be accomplished from the top, these are why he holds promise as a "leader".

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This is a big difference--but also his emphasis on not using wedges is a big difference. He doesn't demonize his opponents, he just breaks apart their policy differences. In fact, he doesn't ever run against character. It's always about the issues, their stand on something. Incredibly different from the politics of the past 20 years.

McCain almost always disparages Obama's judgemetn or character in his attacks. Very school-yard of him.

In fact, he doesn't ever run against character. McCain almost always disparages Obama's judgemetn or character in his attacks. Very school-yard of him.

Wow. Didn't Obama constantly question Clinton's judgment during this nomination fight? In fact, didn't his reasoning for his electability rest on his superior judgment (iraq war vote)? Not to mention his campaing questioning her honesty and trustworthiness.

Don't kid yourself. He and McCain will play the same games all political season long. Faux outrage at every comment, Mr. Nice guys in the debates, sending their surrogates out to attack visciously.

Either we can separate what is personal character from the personal qualities one needs to govern successfully or we cannot.

If I were to say you lack the capacity to exercise judgment that would be personal. If I say when given a choice between policies and you chose the wrong one, that is a critique of how you would govern. To me those are distinct.

If you really think questioning a legislator's judgment in supporting a particular policy is a personal attack, then we might as well not bother.

If I were to say you lack the capacity to exercise judgment that would be personal. If I say when given a choice between policies and you chose the wrong one, that is a critique of how you would govern. To me those are distinct.

Fair enough. But I was posting in regards to Severus' assertion that McCain's attacks are somehow different than Obama's. So far, I've seen McCain question the judgment of choosing to meet without preconditions. That is a question of how he would govern. So I guess it's fair, and not any worse than what Obama did to Clinton.

From my vantage point, McCain has really been pushing the "who does this kid think he is?" vibe lately - to try to respond to criticisms. It's very insulting and logically fallacious. I think that's more what Severus was referring to.

Agreed. And McCain was an infamous bully and jerk in high school. He is just showing now that he is the same as he was then (is it all that surprising that he has not changed his spots?).

I read a complaint recently in a Detroit paper about the way Obama describes that talk with the automakers in his speeches. They agree that he came here and was honest with them and that it took courage. What they disagree with was that he said "Nobody clapped". They said he got some rousing applause and a couple of standing ovations.

I haven't looked for original accounts but it was funny to read.

yep.

the storyline/message that the obama camp aggressively puts out is that obama's always delivering tough messages and 'telling people what they need to hear, not what they want to hear'. this idea is very popular with many of his supporters (particularly the younger and more naive among them) much like mccain's straight-talking maverick image is/WAS with his supporters. but the TRUTH is that in all of the speeches where obama is/was supposed to have delivered tough messages to cool reception, he actually delivered reasonable and nuanced messages to rather warm receptions.

I'd like to see Obama clearly define the distinction between preconditions and preparations. There's a significant difference between those terms and their diplomatic stance. Using a major policy speech to clearly define those differences would do along way towards disarming Popeye and his warmongering compatriots.

I don't understand how these two words became conflated in the media, and even people like Edwards admit to having a hard time seeing the distinction.

The words are not contradictory nor do they mean the same thing.They mean different things. You can agree to meet with someone without requiring them to concede certain negotiating points in advance, and OBVIOUSLY you would adequately prepare through whatever diplomatic means necessary prior to the actual meeting.

That's how I understand it as well. Preparations would involve the lower-level meetings to make sure that the talks would be reasonably productive. They would define topics to be addressed and perhaps even goals. Preconditions, as you put it, would involve concessions before one party came to the table. Preparations are bilateral, preconditions unilateral. Preconditions tests and risks humiliating the other negotiating party, while preparations is more open-ended. I'd like to see how Obama's team makes the distinction.

Obama just said that Charlie Crist couldn't save McCain:

Q: During the past two years, Gov. Charlie Crist has distanced himself from President Bush and been one of the few bright spots in the country for the GOP. Will his support of McCain hurt your argument in Florida that McCain represents a third term for Bush?

A: There's no doubt that Gov. Crist is an effective communicator and popular governor. But ultimately the voters in Florida are going to make their decision based on the person at the top of the ticket. And John McCain's positions are almost identical to George Bush's on the big issues that people are really focused on.

His economic policies basically revolve around the continuation of the Bush tax cuts. His health care plan doesn't provide universal health care, but is almost identical to George Bush's tax breaks for people without any regulation on the insurance market or assurances that people can get coverage and afford coverage. His policies on Iraq are almost identical to George Bush's.

So I think people are going to be making their decisions based on what John McCain says and not what Gov. Crist says.

Link to interview is here: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/state/epaper/2008/05/23/0523barackobamainterview.html

He's 100% right. No running mate is going to save McCain from himself.

The Wall Street Journal reports that Clinton met with members of the Rules and Bylaws Committee yesterday:

The Wall Street Journal reports that Clinton met with members of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee yesterday. As of now, it looks like she doesn't have enough support for her position (seating Michigan and Florida 100%), but the escalated rhetoric over the past week could force the issue:

Sen. Hillary Clinton was scheduled to meet with some members of the Democratic Party’s rules committee Thursday afternoon, a sign that she may be testing her argument that Michigan and Florida should get back all of their votes to the convention and that she deserves most of them.

The committee is scheduled to meet May 31 to debate proposals to seat the delegates, with most members talking about a compromise. Both states were stripped of the delegates by the party as penalty for holding early primaries.

link: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/05/22/clinton-meets-with-dnc-rules-committee-members/

OUSTANDING...

O'Bama will beat him like a rented mule

UNLESS

McSame finds some MENTUM


I'd bet the mule bit and bridle - that's the GOP VP

Hillary seeks to rewrite the nominating rules, retroactively, to win at any cost.

Isn't that what George W. Bush has done for his two terms.

Do we really want another W. in a Pantsuit.

What's fun is that, with every speech and remark, Obama is forces McCain to dig his heels into the past. Whether it's Iraq, Cuba, gay marriage or economics, McCain hugs the past tighter and tighter, making him look older and older.

Well, Forsythe totally stole my Inigo Montoya quote thunder...

But although I live in California (thank God), I grew up in South Florida from 4yrs old to 30. What Obama did is the opposite of pandering. And for anyone who's not quite sure why (aka Gotalife):

Cuban American community activists are single issue voters. That issue: who can promise to talk less, sanction more, and generally be more of a pseudo bad-ass in relation to Cuba. In fact, this is a big objection of the non Cuban American activist community in the area: not that they are the power brokers, but that is the only issue on which they seem to focus.

Ironically, they are demanding ineffective sanctions against Cuba that do nothing but cause hardship for their former island. Of course, this is partially because the activist community is made up largely of the upper and middle classes that fled Cuba. So, they can often get assistance to their loved ones home under the table -- while the poor in the country take the full hit from the sanctions.

I too admire Obama, and his ongoing conduct and willingness to take on sacred cows if the need be, continually affirm my choice.

Imagine a candidate willing to tell people what they need to hear, rather than what they want to hear. We have spent 8 years listening to small minded appeals to our fear, doubt and insecurity. Finally we have a candidate willing to break some taboos and tell the truth about a situation that is long overdue.

Political courage = political strength. Obama is beginning to flex his newfound Nominee Muscles.

P.S.,

The above generally applies mostly to first-generation Cuban Americans. I did notice a slow shift as we moved to second-generation.

Also, Obama's remarks might actually play well outside that room, to voters who are, in fact, tired of the monomania on that issue that flavors the Miami-area debate.

At the very least, this offers people a CHOICE.

People like choices. As Ian says, before it was always a contest of who could pander more.

Obama is setting himself up to be the opposite of McCain on almost every single issue.


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Bush's Cuba policy has placed stiff fines on people who simply want to visit family back in Cuba. I can't imagine that plays well for 2nd and 3rd generation Cuban-Americans. The Soviet threat is long gone, Fidel is not running the country. There's no reason to continue an outdated cold war style policy there. It's brilliant and consistent with his stump speech to go to Miami and offer a message of change with regard to our relationship to Cuba. I think it will make a difference.

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I know some south Florida Cubans and they are not going to like this; which makes me support Obama even more. Many of the Cubans in south FL aren't going to vote for Obama anyway but instead of pandering and weakening his argument overall concerning negotiations; he's taking on a tough group and telling them the truth.

Bravo!

Now Obama is set to rebut McCain's attacks in a speech to the Cuban American National Foundation, scheduled to begin at 12:30 p.m., in which he's going to offer a vigorous defense of his position and actually try to win them over.

Goddamn this is refreshing. Get in there and fight.

Obama is just getting started now ... available at cnn.com.

Standing ovation.

He's got them clapping for negotiations. Incredible.

Just got to attacking McCain now too ... it's being received nicely.

How wonderful it is to have someone who pushes back just as hard.

Man, he's winning the folks over! They know leadership when they see it!

They have been especially responsive to allowing Cuban-Americans to visit and send money to relatives in Cuba and to his pledge to include Cuban exiles in any talks with Cuba.

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This audience seems to approve of what he's saying so far.

This is why I take any polls from Florida with a grain of salt. Once he starts campaigning in a state, there's a big difference.

"Every moment is critical to the defense of freedom."

Yes. We. Can!

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"Todos somos americanos"

This was a good speech for him I thought and was fairly broad for the Hispanic community in general. I don't think this crowd was completely on board with everything he was saying but I do think that even if they don't agree on a particular point that he got across that he was 'on their side' and hit the right notes on the important stuff.

He did say some fairly controversial stuff that I can see making the rounds in the conservative circles but personally I like that he bucks CW and doesn't always do the politically safe stuff. He is also willing to say - hey I don't care if you don't like what I am saying because your way has been garbage.

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This is why I have no doubt of his progressive cred. Time to tell the truth to those who don't want to hear it. That's the kind of president I want.

It's the traditional winning Obama style, understand the other side's position, respect them, and then tell them why you disagree. So in response to newfapalooza he'd never actually say that someone else's "way had been garbage." That would be counter-productive and against his entire style even if that's what it ends up meaning.

The man has brass balls.

What an idiot!!

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