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Obama Response Ad: We Need "President We Can Trust"

Obama goes up in Indiana with a new spot that responds to today's Hillary ad hitting him on the gas tax by implicitly questioning her honesty...

Interestingly, this ad doesn't mention the gas-tax issue. Instead it returns to the Obama campaign's broader indictment of Hillary's character -- the claim that Hillary is a dirty-politicker who can't be trusted. The ad references a recent editorial in The New York Times -- which endorsed Hillary -- that accuses her of taking "the low road."

"We need honest answers," the ad concludes, "and a president we can trust."


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Can't trust Oilbama with his judgement on Wright or gas prices.

"Oilbama"? Really?

Gotalife is a Limbot. One of those old Project Chaos devotes. He wants Hillay to get the nomination so that McCain will win the general.

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I believe that - gotalife is right there on the Rush Limbaugh audience level.


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Yep. Glad people are figuring out Nolife is a Limbot.

Also, the word "troll" was invented to describe people like nolife. Twits who just want to argue online, enjoy irritating people and getting attention, and have really pathetic lives.

An acquaintance of mine who I can;t stand (friend of a friend since middle school) is a self described troll. i.e. every day he goes online to deliberately annoy people and knowingly calls what he does trolling.

It's his version of crank calling and making society pay for his pathetic life.

He's now in his mid 30s, and still blames his life on his dead mother and father's lack of attention. He can't get a date, is in lousy shape, chronically insecure, has the personality and tastes of a teenager, and underneath it all is seething at the world.

Seriously, pathetic.

So before people waste time with them, keep in mind it's what they thrive on.

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Oh, what are the words...

Ah, yes, now I remember, you, gottalife, are an insufferable little troll twit.

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DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

Yeah, only Wright has nothing to do with his judgment, and it turns out that allllll of the experts agree with Obama on the gas prices, so how's that for judgment?

Oh, and speaking of judgment, do you want to talk about who trusted Bush on Iraq? Or how about who thought this campaign was going to be over by Super Tuesday and had absolutely no plan to win after that? Let's talk about who's campaign has been broke for months and stiffing vendors on their bills.

In short, you are an idiot.

I especially like that she trusted Bush on Iraq, but won't trust the economists on the gas tax.

Good point! Bush: trustworthy. Energy economists: elite opinion.

Koo-koo alert!

"blah-blah-blah-Oilbama-blah-blah-blah"

lol

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By Wright . . . you mean Bill Clinton's spiritual blowjob counselor?

By oil prices . . . You mean the

McCain-Clinton ’08
hand-job for the oil companies?

Dude, you have the candidates reversed . . .

My friends, I want you to do me a favor. I want you to be a part of a great test of the strength of ideas, I want you to help erect a monument to the power of words. I want you to do this for me, and I promise it will not take but a moment.

Indeed, it will not take more than you raising your hands to your keyboard.

Here is what I ask;

If gotalife has ever persuaded you one inch from your position towards him, I would like you to give me a Hallelujah.

If gotalife has ever moved you to change one belief of yours with his eloquent exposition, I want you to give me an Amen.

If gotalife has ever provided to you a single ounce of value other than serving to reinforce your own thoughts, other than the value a circus monkey has in entertaining, give me a Hosanna.

Just one, brothers and sisters. Just one.

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Exactly. People need to stop validating this guy with their responses.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

Ah idiotic. I've missed you.

Love the avatar, even if Mr. Elvis is supporting Hillary.

I was hoping for a more direct hit on what he tax pander really means to oil companies: a $10 billion handout:

http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/05/hillary-goes-after-democrats-in.html

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This is a good ad.

Hillary is a liar, it has been proven time and again, everyone knows it.

There are times when regular politics will not do, and this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of bull that only the truth can provide relief.

Molly Ivins

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I miss Molly.

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We all miss her so much. It was such a blow losing both Molly and Ann Richards so close together.

*sigh* Texas will never be the same.

It really was. Even after she passed, I would go to Creators.com and read her articles, just to remember what fire in the spirit looked like.

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Yes. What I believe was her final column, "Stand Up Against the Surge," holds up quite well today (and occasionally reminds me to get off my rear to the weekly war protest held around here).

http://www.creators.com/opinion/molly-ivins/stand-up-against-the-surge.html

Molly Ivins and H.L. Mencken are sitting together at a bar in the dustier part of Heaven right now, laughing at fools below. Fools that walk among us.

Oh, hi, RaeK.

Me too Stemper. Me too.

Well, if Obama claims that Hillary is dishonest, 58% of the country agrees with him.

Not enough of that 58% live in Indiana, I'm afraid. They're probably all in latte-sipping, Prius-driving Nebraska.

Does the Prius come with a manure spreader?

It doesn't spread manure but it spreads bullshit.

I thought that was your function.

After reading Andrew Sullivan's piece on the "Dream Ticket," I thought it may be possible.

Then I get jolted back to reality, and remember that these two don't think much of each other.

This gas tax business is the end of the line for the superdelegates, and Hillary knows that she needs to seat Michigan and Florida in her favor in order to go to the convention.

She has lost the superdelegates. Period.

It was tactically dumb, a desparate move at the worst possible moment. This blanket dismissal of ALL economists speaks to the blind-eye denial from which she suffers, brought on from decades of accomodating Bill. She may well think it's a good idea. ++ungood.

I think IN will be very close, and I give it to Obama by 2-4.

Doesn't matter. She has to win this tough-bitch-champeen-of-real-Muricans thing today. She doesn't care if she alienates the supers. She trying to stay alive, win the so-called popular and seat FLA and MI. Then the supers will have to fall in line. Really threading the needle here, but it feels like when you're rooting for the other team and Joe Montana gets the ball with 90 yards to go and 90 seconds on the clock. Oh sheeeet. Difference is I liked Joe Montana.

Ach! You remind me how much I miss FB here in May...

Threading the needle does not bother me. Obliterating her way through it in the most dishonorable fashion possible is, however, right out.

Pax,
M.

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Hmmmm. Interesting ad. I love the "home town" newspaper - as if New York City is some small town somewhere in upstate New York LOL!!!

I don't think he has to say anything about the gas tax holiday - it was implicit in the ad (the "record gas prices") and I think by now most people will have seen his other ads hitting back on the specific issue. I think this may be more effective because it's hitting her on general character and trustworthiness.

Exactly my thought, the "hometown" NYT....That is good stuff.

IIRC the lyrics go:

Oh! ye'll take the high road and
I'll take the low road,
And I'll be in Scotland afore ye

Apparently the low road is the better way to go.

Slow and steady wins the race.

I sure wish you would go to . . . er . . . Scotland, and take Shillary with you! Git, now, you hear!

Low road means you're dead.

Well, I suppose that works as well.

How is pointing out the obvious "the low road"? The majority of those polled don't find her trustworthy. You and Goatlife are probably the only ones left who do.

Considering she's ahead in the popular vote I can't understand your point.

In what reality is she ahead in the popular vote?

I thought you might not. Considering your level of trust, that's not surprising. Ah well, maybe Goatlife can explain it to you.

Ahh, another practitioner of faith-based math.

Meheheheh.

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This is what I'm talking about -

Hit her on her biggest weakness - and you just did and it's a good tactic.

No one believes her or trusts her anymore.

Now that is funny!

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You also gotta love how the ad calls the NYT her "home town newspaper." A little snark there, perhaps?? :) I've lost track of how many home towns she has...

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O man - the list, she is long.

She's an Indianan Pennsylvanian Illinoisan Texan Arkansan New Yorker -

did I leave anyplace out?

Reminds me of the Johnny Cash song -- "I've Been Everywhere, Man". Except for Shillary, the title would be, "I've LIVED Everywhere, Man".

Can we somehow set this to the tune of Johhny Cash's "One Piece at a Time"?

The Vineyahd and DC. Also, Wellesley, so that's twice for MASS, and Yale, which covers CT. Maybe she's a double Pennsylvanian cause she lived on PA Ave.

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O that's right - The Working Class Hero's academic career - all those tony ivy league schools.

Anyone who buys her shit about being Rose the Riveter is just as stupid as anyone who bought George Bush's Texas Good Ol Boy act.

Texas boy my ass - he's a goddamn yankee prep school cheerleader from Connecticut.

He is not a Texan.

And she is not an "elite" like I'm the Queen of the Gypsies.

Is Texas still in the union?

You are a bit of a dim bulb, aren't you? Just goes to show that transgenics aren't for everybody.

Now that is funny!

Not sure you'd know about funny.

Lame, OTOH, seems to be your strong suite.

1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington DC -- her real hometown of course

Israeli, perhaps?

BO is suppose to pick up 5 SDs today. The SD trickle is starting to pick up. I guess i am not the only one sensing that this nomination race is about to come to an end.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/5/12538/58159/94/509441

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I've felt it in my bones for going on 3 days. I'm in such a good mood I'm giddy.


He was reported to have "dozens" in reserve to release.

Her Dad did business in Indiana, and she ate jello molds, so that counts

I have to conclude most of the remaining SD's are Obama backers who have been cowed into temporary silence by the big money Clinton backers. If they were Clinton supporters, why would they hold back? She can use all the help she can get right now to keep this fiction alive.

Sounds like pigeons or trout.

People are sick of it. Notice we haven't seen any honest Sen Clinton supporters? The trolls clearly do not support her. I mean, where has the actual debate gone?

Hard to debate with lies.

"We need honest answers and a President we can trust."


"I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe. These people are a part of me."

So are you implying Monica is a part of HRC?

Well, you've convinced me. I bow to your skills in block quotation.

Tomorrow, we'll do drag-n-drop.

Paging goatlife...

Hah, goatlife.

Meheheheh.

"At the wire, they finish: Clinton 54%, Obama 42%. Among males, the two have been tied in 3 of the 4 tracking polls. Among females, Clinton has always led by at least 14, and finishes ahead by 22. Among Republicans and Independents, the two are effectively tied. Among Democrats, Clinton finishes ahead by 19."

She wins NC by 2 thanks to the rural voters all going with the President they can trust with solutions not business as usual with Oilbama.

Huge day for Clinton tomorrow.

Game over.

You're so funny. What color is the sky in your world?

White. Possibly "working class" as well.

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now that's funny.

"She wins NC by 2..."

Is that a typo or do you really mean it this time?

If stupid predictions were people, you would be China.

Her Dad did business in Indiana, and she ate jello molds, so that counts.

Yawn.

B.O STOP ATTACH HILLARY CLINTON
STOP PUT UP NEG AD

This is a new, and interpretive level of snark I am not familiar with....

I am beginning to like it though.

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Me, too! It's really funny ;)

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This style is very reminiscent of the all time champion parody troll at Eschaton - Amurkin Patriot.

If encouraged, it could get funnier and funnier.

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LOLOL!! ;)

This guy is the Jackson Pollock of trollery.

So are you saying that Hillary has Body Odor and you wish it would stop attacking her. I mean, come on . . . the broken English is just astounding.

I think he means that he wants body odor to stop attaching to Hillary. In other words, her stink is beginnning to get to him too.

"Hooked On Phonics" worked miracles for me! You don't have to suffer!

I think in this Berlitz is in order.

I think in his case Berlitz is in order. In my case, a new brain.

I used to teach ESL and I don't understand the OhioHillary post. But I am also opposed to body odor, so I guess we have a point of agreement.

HC STOP GAS BRIBE
Have no you shame!
VOOT OBAMA!

We have a translator!

Gosh, even the Dutch are in this. I've lived my entire life in anticipation of vooting.

It's a telegram.

BO STOP
Attach Hillary Clinton STOP
Put up neg ad STOP

Cryptic missive from the field office?

we dont want a president to put up neg ad to attach hillary clinton...he doesnt have any experience...b.o not become a president for sure..

All in favor of Body Odor not becoming president say "Aye!" I think this is a movement we can all get behind! No more B.O. in the White House ;)

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Aw, OhioHillary sounds almost like my little Italian grandmother! "I no lika dis - he no have 'sperienza". Too funny!!! ;)

It looks like your top issue should be education.

My gosh, how are the illegals going to learn proper English if they can't do it through immersion!

thoohiohillary--

The lies do not bother you?

That she wants to make Obliteration dem foreign policy? This doesn't shake you out your tree?

The blanket, irrational, adolescent dismissal of "all economists," not to mention certain presidential veto, and certain House opposition...this level of denial doesn't bother you?

That she needs to become "male" and gather spare testicles, reminding us of 4th grade recess mentality of her, her husband, and her surrogates, this doesn't bother you?

That she he had no plan for governing her campaign does not bother you?

The menace of a philadering monster prowling the white house does not make you remember how you cringed through the 1990s? Maybe you were not Of Age then.

Her demise is her creation, not Obama's. I call you to search for Truth.

Pax,
M.

OBAMA +5 Gallup, +6 superdelegates, 1.5 million donors - Cinco Celebration:

"Obama had a great day on Meet the press yesterday and he trounced Clinton in the ratings game"

ABC [Hillary] THIS WEEK 1.3 rating/4 share


NBC [Obama] MEET THE PRESS 8.5 rating/21 share


Oh God Help Us

"I am definitely going to try to go with Hillary," she said. "I almost feel like (Obama's) the anti-Christ from the Middle East."

Bunger reads news online about the election and has been "trying to talk everybody into voting, especially this year because I'm really scared for Obama to get it."

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080504/NEWS01/805040304

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Sigh ... there's not even a point to talking to people like that. Hopefully there aren't too many of them. It's really sad when people are just that bone-headed that they won't listen to reason or fact.

Obama Elitist Alert!

So, now listening to fact and reason makes one an elitist according to the Hillary camp? Oh, that's right . . . "we don't need no stinkin' experts to tell us what we don't want to know!"

Idiot alert!

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And damned proud of it, if elitist means I can read, reason and refuse to believe in ridiculous nonsense like "anti-Christs".

Don't forget, Saddam Hussein is the Antichrist!

No. You're an intolerant bigot who believes she is more intelligent than those that have different beliefs.

Elitist and bigot.

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To quote you, "now that is funny". ;)

Yeah, believe it or not, my mother just told me a week ago that my sister has been getting emails claiming that Obama is the anti-christ. She then proceeded to tell me "and you know, it kind of amkes sense."
I was flabbergasted! Where do you even start with such irrational ignorance? I simply explained that ever since I could remember, conservative christian groups have attempted to paint every public figure they disliked with the same stroke, including Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev.
Sometimes I believe this country is more backward than we ever give it credit for.

++ugh

The intentional creation of an ussailbale monster ("anti-christ") as the sink of all that is Wrong is bad enough. To then slap in on people with such ease makes me ill. In my family, such arrogant childishness was shaken out (quite literally) at an early age.

No more obliteratti.

That's something I really don't understand! Why no one in the media has called out what kind of dirty compaign Obama has run. He has constantly assinate Mrs. Clinton's character - calling her untrust-worthy, calling her a liar, and etc. Is not this kind of character assassination out of bound in a primary? Whatever you think of the Clinton compaign, they do not lower themselve to attack Obama's personal character. They never call him a liar or whatever. It is one thing to debate policy difference. It is totally a different thing to call people's names and tell people a fellow Democrat is untrustworthy.

In my memory, Bradley called Gore a liar which eventually contributed to his loss. Bob Dole asked Bush to stop lying about his record and got defeated in 1988.

Stop character assassination - let the real debates continue. Would you please, Mr. Obama?

When did Obama call Clinton a "liar"? Saying that she is playing by the same old Washington politics is not calling her a "liar."

Sarasvati - you cannot be trusted. Your words are completely meaningless!

But she can impugn his integrity through guilt by association? Thats not a personal attack? Are you on crack? Or is your best friend on crack (and therefore you're on crack too)?

Tell me when she attacked his character through guilty by association.

Ayers. The debate.

She said he would be attacked by the Republicans for his Ayers association. did she attack him for the association?

Go back and listen to it. She did not bring up the republicans, she attacked him for it.

Don't forget Farrakhan. That was a real winner there.

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Rev Wright

Bill Ayers

Tony Rezko

Not that any of these people hold a candle to the miscreants Hillary associates with, but she and her renfros have consistently tried to impugn Obama's character because he knows these people.

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Off the top of my head, by invoking Farrakhan during the last debate (you could see that she was just salivating over the chance to throw his name out there). Aimey, please, you're really going to have to do better here. There are PLENTY of people that Obama could hit Clinton with in the "guilt by association" game, but he won't.

And, for ha ha's, here a nice little post on AmericaBlog about Clinton baggage that we may not know about yet:

http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/slate-rumors-of-more-monicas.html

Enjoy!

Honestly, that's the best you can do?

Obama did not call Clinton a liar as you argue above. Your argument lacks evidecne and you've done nothing to show otherwise.

And you are, without a doubt, the stupidest troll who ever crawls out from under their rock and posts here. And, with idiot trolls like gotalife, otto, richmond, etc. that's quite an achievement.

I guess shameless pandering isn't any indication of character (or the lack of it) to you. You don't have to call Hillary a lie to point out her untrustworthiness. Anyone who says that they can perform economic magic despite nearly universal disapproval by the experts is either dillusional or trying to deceive the uninformed voter. How would you characterize such tactics?

Hillary lied about Tuzla Snipers, and kept on lying about them. Hillary lied about Northern Ireland settlement. All she did was drink tea with some Irish women, and then abscond with their teapot. Hillary lied about her role in pushing NAFTA. Hillary lied about Bill's role in selling the Indiana defense plant to China.

Hillary is an habitual liar.

Do you really think Obama did not hear Wright's radical sermones before? Gimme a break! All politicians exergerate. Name calling, by the candidate himself, has no place in a primary campaign.

He did not name call. He said he is trustworthy, never said she isn't.

Aimey May is not trustworthy. She is stupid. She distorted what Senator Obama said, when people can go to the top of the thread and listen to what he actually said.

Aimey May wins the Lying Moron Of The Day, Trophy!!!

I wanted to win that :(

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Aimey May


E.X.A.G.G.E.R.A.T.E.

exaggerate. don't thank me, get a dictionary.

I'm sorry Miss Almey May,

We've been hit in the head with a kitchen sink... We don't know no better.

In all seriousness, we've got to stop beating people over the head with this Clinton stuff and get back to honest, truthful, campaigning. It's not fair to Obama supporters and it's a big waste of time. Let's just ignore her for now on.

ok?

Start by claiming that all the dirty tricks you are playing are really being played on you by the opposition....

Hi Karl, so glad you could join us!

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1) Obama is not a liar
2) Hillary is a liar
3) Obama hasn't called Hillary a liar
4) Hillary has been the one throwing the most feces.

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Funny, during the ABC "debate" a few weeks ago, I seem to recall Obama being a class act and declining to answer a softball question about Clinton's Bosnia tale -- and that was a lie caught on video for heaven's sake. How much more classy can one be than that??

It is stunning hypocrisy at its worst. At any given time a headline appears at HuffPo of some unnamed "Clinton staffer" or "anonymous DNC official" that sends everyone scurrying around looking for the next feinting couch. "Kitchen sink" "Tonya Harding option" and now "Nuclear option" are all from unidentified sources, and the liberal blogs that beat this garbage know it, and they play everyone for rubes.

Stop whining and get out of the kitchen.

KaBOMa!

Direct hit!

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LOL!

You're cracking my shit up and I don't even like Benny Hill.


[sorry - I'm a huge Eddie Izzard fan - in his transvestite stand-up days. I just don't appreciate the Benny Hill style. I'm sure it's a lack in me. ;) ]

Aw, how can you not like Benny Hill? Even my "WTF is Monty Pyton" dad likes Benny Hill!

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First - do not put me in there with your WTF is Monty Python dad.

I can recite whole episodes of Monty Python and I do not think there is any comparison between Monty Python and Benny Hill.

Sorry. My kind of slapstick is Fawlty Towers.

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Governor Easley said Hillary is as strong as train smoke.

I know I'm convinced. How about the rest of y'all?

And about as substantial, too.

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I wondered why he thought that was a good analogy.

Last week, Hillary made Rocky Balboa look like a wuss, apparently. This weekend, James Carville discloses that Hillary has balls to spare, evidently. On Monday, she's as strong as smoke?

They should be arrested for analogy abuse, if nothing else.

Zing!

Damn carbon emissions.

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Is that smoke coming from the smokestack of the train? Or smoke from a runaway train on fire?

RALEIGH, N.C., May 2 (UPI) — Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has been avoiding stops in black communities in his quest to become the first black major party nominee for the U.S. presidency.

The saddest line in this sorry story? “Isaac Onah, a political science professor at the University of North Carolina, told the Boston Globe that black voters appear to understand Obama’s campaign strategy.” Oh great, Barack. Even your hapless black supporters know you’re trying to win white votes by not being seen with them.

Maybe Obama’s like his preacher. He talks the talk about racial equality and believes in black nationalism. But where is Rev. Wright having his church pay for and build his multi-million-dollar mansion? In an overwhelmingly WHITE and GATED community, on a golf course. Talk’s cheap, isn’t it.

Sorry to trouble you with the obvious, but could you please provide a link to this story so that we don't have to take your word for it? You know, like you tried with the steak dinner story?

Thanks.

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This is a brilliant line of attack from D-imbecilic:

"Now lissun heayah. Ah know you colored boys like your own kind. But this heayah nigrah ain't really one of you. He's all uppity. He don't know his place. He jus' sipping his ol' latte and drivin' his shiny Prius right by you all without stoppin' or wavin' at you or nuthin'. Now why would y'all wanna vote for a uppity nigrah like that when you got a coupla good, trustworthy white folks to vote for?"

Man, D-imbecilic - that dog really don't hunt.

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The Religious Right was saying almost the same thing about Kerry in '04 because he was seen as "a man of peace." The anti-christ is supposed to be someone who claims to be "a man of peace".


That whole thing is so twisted. They start getting suspicious of people who want to do the right things because they are afraid it's really Satan trying to fool them.

I ask you - what do you do? That is the purest case of damned if you do and damned if you don't ever.

Now that is funny!

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He's been avoiding stops in black communities?

OMG!@!! I am enlightened! I don't know how I could have supported him!!@#!! He's avoiding "black communities", and they all understand!!@#!! (Because, of course, they all get marching order from their alarm clocks every night from the high chief commander black person in the country).

Wow. Thanks, imbecilic, for tearing the scales from my eyes.


Just one thing: you have any evidence that he's avoiding "black communities", and secondly, you wanna tell me how many "black communities" Clinton has been to?

This is called smart campaigning....When you have 90% of the vote in a particular area wrapped up, you move on.

No. It's called "being taken for granted".

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Which is exactly what the Clintons have done in this race resulting in losing most of her formerly strong support in the black community.

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Um, why don't you ask the people themselves if they feel overlooked?

O, wait, that would mean you'd have to tell the truth about something instead of being a running joke on a 7th grade level.

You and gotnolife, your sock puppet.

Hillary is weak on "trustworthiness," and for good reason. She is a liar.

YOu are very good attach name calling. Shall we call you namecaller?

And you said Obama called Hillary a liar. Should we call you Liarliar?

"Attach name calling" -- is that like flag football?

I think it has something to do with body odor.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080519/coates/print

"A Deeper Black"

I recommend that people read this article in The Nation.

Governor Easley said Hillary is as strong as train smoke.

I know I'm convinced. How about the rest of y'all?
Posted by CT Voter
May 5, 2008 3:41 PM

That would explain why Bill said he did not inhale!

He may be onto something.

Train smoke is thick, it stinks, and it leaves soot and filth on those aboard the train.

It also tends to linger. A long long time.

It is sometimes accompanied by a loud, shrill noise.

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liam - I cannot finish that article. I got past JayZ and was breaking out in a sweat, thought I could do it, and then I got to The Wire is his favorite TV show and I lost it.

Please do not encourage my stupid crush on this man any further.

I loved him before I knew how really cool he is. He is going to be the coolest president evah.

The Wire was the best thing ever put on TV, ever. It will likely be the best thing I ever saw on TV by the time I die.

It cannot be bested. The 5th season was the kind of brilliant I never expected to see here - but I think America is getting ready to really grow up! I honestly do. That show was the most honest look at urban America ever produced and it was just genius.

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Tena, you absolutely crack me up!!! ;)

A North Carolina voter changes with the winds

May 5, 12:12 PM (ET)

By CHRISTINE SIMMONS

Millie Seifert is having a heck of a time making up her mind.

A Democrat in North Carolina, she was initially drawn to Republican Mike Huckabee but he exited the race long before the presidential primaries came to her state. So she thought Barack Obama was probably the man to get her vote. Then that strange preacher came along and it's no dice.

She's leaning toward Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton now. Or Republican John McCain. It depends.

This is one undecided voter.

"It's really starting to bother me because I have not settled on one," she said from East Bend, half an hour outside Winston-Salem, as Tuesday's North Carolina and Indiana primaries closed in like a thundercloud. "Every time I leave the house I change my mind.

"I change my mind watching the TV and hearing what they have to say.

"I'm just so confused."

So are many voters. But it's doubtful many favor a conservative Republican like Huckabee one day, then swing left to Obama and Clinton territory the next.

Seifert is 69, a mother of two, grandmother of six and a retired Kmart pharmacy technician who works as a nanny to supplement her pension.

Clinton is growing on her.

"She's hard as nails - you can knock her down but she won't go away," Seifert said with a creaky laugh. "I don't like her but I like her better now than Obama.

"Anybody that puts up with Bill Clinton is a strong person - I would've killed him," she said, laughing again in an aside about his misbehaving ways. "Now THAT one I do not like.

"I don't know," she mused. "Hillary just keeps coming back up."

The Associated Press has been asking Seifert what she thinks about the campaign since late last year as part of an AP-Yahoo News series of polls gauging how opinions have changed with the same group of voters.

Now it's time for those living in North Carolina and Indiana to make their choice. AP asked some of the poll respondents from those states to say how they are coming to their decision. Obama and Clinton are in a protracted struggle for the Democratic nomination while McCain has the Republican one sewn up.

The poll found the economy to be the No. 1 issue, and that's certainly a concern for Seifert.

Her son is a welder and her daughter, a medical transcriptionist. Thanks to the $500 a month she makes as a nanny, she can get out to eat with her daughter a few times a week.

But she can't afford to go to the mountains, 45 minutes away, or visit her brother and sister often in the next county. She stretches Social Security to cover her bills.

"You take these little mediocre jobs to fill in the gaps but you still don't have the money to do the things you used to," she said. "You don't ever retire; I don't think people ever really retire."

Still, her vote - whatever that turns out to be - is not tied to her material needs.

She wants the "mad dogs" in Congress to stop fighting. So she was initially drawn to the genial Huckabee before McCain drove him from the Republican race.

Obama also held out the promise of unity and making Washington work, but the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's inflammatory words about the U.S. tainted him in Seifert's estimation.

"I'm leaning toward McCain. If it's not him, it will probably be Hillary."

In short, she says, "I got a lot of thinking to do."

Otto, did you listen to Randi Rhodes on Air America today, like you said you did this past Friday?

Sorry Tena, but I know that you will return to the article once you have toweled off.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080519/coates/print

"A Deeper Black"

"Whatever comes of it from here on out for the larger country, Obama has redefined blackness for white America, has served notice that wherever we are, we are. What he is positing is blackness as a valid ethnic identity with its own particular folkways and yet still existing within the broader American continuum. Already a wave of black politicos--Deval Patrick, Corey Booker, Jesse Jackson Jr.--have raised a similar banner, and there is nothing "postracial," "postblack" or "transcendental" about it. (By the way, does anyone call Joe Lieberman "post-Jewish-American" or Mel Martinez "post-Cuban-American"?) Indeed, it is a deeper black, the mark of a less defensive, more self-assured African-American leadership. Our forebears, God bless them, held blackness like an albatross, which they sought to affix around the neck of white America. But this generation, Obama's generation, holds blackness like a garland, sure in the knowledge that the only neck it belongs around is our own."

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Ok, just blubbering like a baby over the killer ending of that piece, now, but ok.

I think I'll go outside and have a cigarette.

;)

"a president we can trust"

HA!

That's a joke coming from "I can no more disown my pastor than I could disown my white grandmother"
... "He's like an uncle to me."
... "I never heard those comments"...
..."These comments are taken out of context and put on a loop"

He sat there 20 years listening to those sermons. And now he wants us to TRUST HIM? He took those kids to that church since they were born! What kind of judgment is THAT? He wants us to trust him??

And of course his pastor's theology and views were OBama & MIchelle's views: its all corroborated by Michelle Obama's comments: "For the first time in my life I'm proud of my country."

...

"America is a MEAN country".

Yeah, right, TRUST him!

Pathetic.

Obama has not made these statements. Your clinging to a dead issue uncovers your desparation. Shall we rifle through church buletins next? Kindergarden essays? Condifential medical records?

You are pathetic that you must stoop to this.

Obama still hasn't denounced Wright the person, just the stuff he was saying. He made it very clear that some of what Wright said was offensive, some of it untrue and none of it should be considered as coming from Obama or the Obama campaign.

When you get right down to it that is fairly soft as he probably would have been politically expedient to come down a lot harder on Wright.

I'm sure you'd like the issue to go away. Far away. But it goes to who Barak is. He would not have stayed there had it not been his theology.

RaeKKK has come above ground. The Sewers at the Aryan Nation Compound must be flooded.

Bang that drum. bang it. Shout about Wright from the highest mountain, every day, all day, as loud as you can.

because when you hear the same thing over and over and over and over and over, it no longer registers.

The Wright attack line already seems as stale as last month's issue of Star magazine. But keep it up. Obama owns this nomination. His concern is McCain. Come November, Wright will be as fresh as a Foghat concert.

The Wright issue may seem stale to you, but not to many American voters out there. You ain't heard nothing yet. I know Obama supporters probably can't grasp this, but Hillary has been using kid-gloves compared to what the GOP will do with Wright and whatever else.

Remember that Richard Nixon's supporters grew tired of hearing about Watergate 24/7 too, and they wanted his critics to just shut up about it. But fortunately this country is not hostage to the whims of the fanatical supporters of any politician.

Yeah, and when you combine all the Wright leftist, hate-racism ranting theology with
* William Ayers relationship (they have a photo now of him standing on the American flag...
* His friendship and business connections with Tony Rezko
* His wife's anti American comments...
* His comments in San Fran. about how middle Americans "cling to their guns & religion and antipathy to people not like them"
* His "I don't think women should be punished with babies" remark...

All this will come back over and over and over again. But more importantly, it starts to shape an image of an elitist, radical based, out of touch guy who just doesn't connect with the majority of Americans and just isn't presidential material. I just don't think Americans will elect a guy who has terrorist friends (like Ayers) and radicals like Farrakhan and his preacher, Wright. He's had to do too much splainin'.

But apart from that, I actually think I might could like the guy. LOL. But then I see how arrogant he is and I say, no - no way. You're wayyy too arrogant dude! How often have you heard him say, "yeah that was a good speech wasn't it?" And then there were the comments about how "the light would come down" on the voters and they'd be voting for him (because he's so wonderful) ikk!

btw...
He made great fun of Hillary "throwing down shots and beer" and yet he made a big show of drinking a beer out of a can the other day. Though it looked like he really wanted to spit it out. LOL>

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Give it up and come to your senses, Rae. Your clinging to lies is not doing your personality any good.

Good ad. But what happened to his two minute ads? Anyone know if they were broadcast or just for the Internet. Those were hot -- and I thought he had the dough.

That's a really bad closing ad for tomorrow. Won't appeal to anybody but the already converted.

Obama should have gone with a positive message. Hillary Hate isn't going to sell anybody but Hillary Haters.

Huh? Most of Obama supporters ARE Hillary haters if you guys are any judge of that!

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