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Obama Hits McCain For Failing To Support Webb's GI Bill

Barack Obama is giving a speech right now on veterans' issues in West Virginia in which he hits John McCain for failing to back Jim Webb's 21st Century version of the GI bill -- a measure that would cover the full cost for veterans to attend a state university.

In the speech, Obama makes a passing reference to Hillary, conceding he'll likely lose West Virginia to her, then pivots to a general election argument, saying that he "couldn't disagree more" with McCain's refusal to support Webb's measure.

Obama proposes to remake the Veterans Administration for the 21st Century and evokes his grandfather's World War II Service. Perhaps most interesting is his description of the maltreatment of returning Vietnam War veterans as "one of the saddest episodes in our history" -- an olive-branch to the right that's in keeping with his larger claim that he's a conciliator and bridge-builder.

Full text of the speech after the jump.

I want to thank Senator Rockefeller, not only for that generous introduction, but for his friendship and support in this campaign. I want to thank Secretary Richard Danzig, Admiral John Natham, and General Jim Smith for being here with us today and for their distinguished record of service to our country.

And I want to thank the people of West Virginia - particularly those who have worn the uniform of our country. More of you are veterans here than in almost any other state in the nation. So many Guard members from this very armory have been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan on tour after tour, year after year. And that means there are more West Virginians who've had to say goodbye to these heroes; who've borne the burdens of their absence in ways that are often immeasurable - an empty chair at the dinner table or another Mother's Day where mom is some place far away. Your sacrifice and the sacrifice of your loved ones is immense, and it must never be forgotten.

There is an election here tomorrow. I'm honored that some of you will support me, and I understand that many more here in West Virginia will probably support Senator Clinton. But when it's over, what will unify as Democrats - what must unify us as Americans - is an unyielding commitment to the men and women who've served this nation and an unshakable fidelity to the ideals for which they've risked their lives.

Without that commitment, many of us wouldn't be here today. I am one of those people. My grandfather - Stanley Dunham - enlisted after Pearl Harbor and went on to march in Patton's Army. My grandmother worked on a bomber assembly line while he was gone, and my mother was born at Fort Leavenworth. When he returned, it was to a country that gave him the chance to college on the GI Bill; to buy his first home with a loan from the FHA; to move his family west, all the way to Hawaii, where he and my grandmother helped raise me. Today, my grandfather is buried in the Punchbowl, the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific, where 776 victims of Pearl Harbor are laid to rest.

I knew him when he was older. But whenever I meet young men and women along the campaign trail who are serving in the military today, I think about what my grandfather was like when he enlisted - a fresh-faced man of twenty-three, with a heart laugh and an easy smile.

These sons and daughters of America are the best and the bravest among us. They are a part of an unbroken line of heroes who overthrew a King for the sake of an ideal; who freed the slaves and faced down fascism; who fought for freedom in Korea and Vietnam, from Kuwait to the Balkans - who still wake up every day to face down the gravest dangers in Iraq, Afghanistan, and all over the world.

When our troops go into battle, they serve no faction or party; they represent no race or region. They are simply Americans. They serve and fight and bleed together out of loyalty not just to a place on a map or a certain kind of people, but to a set of ideals that we have been striving for since the first shots rang out at Lexington and Concord - the idea that America could be governed not by men, but by laws; that we could be equal in the eyes of those laws; that we could be free to say what we want and write what want and worship as we please; that we could have the right to pursue our individual dreams but the obligation to help our fellow citizens pursue theirs.

Allegiance to these ideals has always been at the core of American patriotism - it's what unites a country of so many different opinions and beliefs. It's why some of us may disagree on our decision to start this war in Iraq, but all of us stand united in our support for the brave men and women who wage it. That's how it should be. But it's not how it's always been.

One of the saddest episodes in our history was the degree to which returning vets from Vietnam were shunned, demonized and neglected by some because they served in an unpopular war. Too many of those who opposed the war in Vietnam chose to blame not only the leaders who ordered the mission, but the young men who simply answered their country's call. Four decades later, the sting of that injustice is a wound that has never fully healed, and one that should never be repeated.

The young men and women who choose to serve are defending the very rights and freedoms that allow Americans to speak out against government actions we oppose. They deserve our admiration, respect and enduring gratitude.

At the same time, we must never forget that honoring this service and upholding these ideals requires more than saluting our veterans as they march by on Veterans Day or Memorial Day. It requires marching with them for the care and benefits they have earned It requires standing shoulder-to-shoulder with our veterans and their families after the guns fall silent and the cameras are turned off. At a time when we're facing the largest homecoming since the Second World War, the true test of our patriotism is whether we will serve our returning heroes as well as they've served us.

We know that over the last eight years, we've already fallen short of meeting this test. We all learned about the deplorable conditions that were discovered at places like Fort Bragg and Walter Reed. We've all walked by a veteran whose home is now a cardboard box on a street corner in the richest nation on Earth. We've all heard about what it's like to navigate the broken bureaucracy of the VA - the impossibly long lines, or the repeated calls for help that get you nothing more than an answering machine. Just a few weeks ago, an 89-year-old World War II veteran from South Carolina told his family, "No matter what I apply for at the VA, they turn me down." The next day, he walked outside of an Outpatient Clinic in Greenville and took his own life.

How can we let this happen? How is that acceptable in the United States of America? The answer is, it's not. It's an outrage. And it's a betrayal - a betrayal - of the ideals that we ask our troops to risk their lives for.

But it doesn't have to be this way. Not in this country. Not if we decide that this time will be different. There are many aspects of this war that have gone inalterably wrong, but caring for our veterans is one thing we can still get right. When I arrived in the Senate, I sought out a seat on the Veterans Affairs Committee so I could fight to give our veterans the care they need and the benefits they deserve. We fought to make sure that the claims of disabled veterans in Illinois and other states were being heard fairly, and we forced the VA to conduct an unprecedented outreach campaign to disabled veterans who receive lower-than-average benefits. I passed laws to get homeless veterans off the streets and prevent at-risk veterans from getting there in the first place. I led a bipartisan effort to improve outpatient facilities at places like Walter Reed, and slash red tape, and reform the disability process - because recovering troops should go to the front of the line, and they shouldn't have to fight to get there. I passed laws to give family members health care while they care for injured troops, and to provide family members with a year of job protection, so they never have to face a choice between caring for a loved one and keeping a job.

But there is so much more work that we need to do in this country.

It starts with being honest about the sacrifices that our brave men and women are making. For years, this Administration has refused to count all of our casualties in uniform. In Iraq alone, tens of thousands of troops who were injured or fell ill have not been counted in our casualty numbers, going against the military's own standards from past wars. It's time to stop hiding the full cost of this war. It's time to honor the full measure of sacrifice of our troops, and to prepare for the cost of their care.

That's why I've pledged to build a 21st century VA as President. It means no more red tape - it's time to give every service-member electronic copies of medical and service records upon discharge. It means no more shortfalls - we'll fully fund VA health care, and add more Vet Centers, particularly in rural areas. It means no more delays - we'll pass on-time budgets. It means no more means-testing - it's time to allow every veteran into the VA system. And it means we'll have a simple principle for veterans sleeping on our streets: zero tolerance. As President, I'll build on the work I started in the Senate and expand housing vouchers, and launch a new supportive services housing program to prevent at-risk veterans and their families from sliding into homelessness.

I'll also build on the work I did in the Senate to confront one of the signature injuries of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - PTSD. We have to understand that for far too many troops and their families, the war doesn't end when they come home. Just the other day our own government's top psychiatric researcher said that because of inadequate mental health care, the number of suicides among veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan may actually exceed the number of combat deaths. Think about that. Think about how only half of the returning soldiers with PTSD receive the treatment they need. Think of how many we turn away - of how many we let fall through the cracks. We have to do better than this.

In the Senate, I've helped lead a bipartisan effort to stop the unfair practice of kicking out troops who suffer from them. And when I'm President, we'll enhance mental health screening and treatment at all levels: from enlistment, to deployment, to reentry into civilian life. We also need more mental health professionals, more training to recognize signs and to reject the stigma of seeking care. And we need to dramatically improve screening and treatment for the other signature injury of the war, Traumatic Brain Injury. That's why I passed measures in the Senate to increase screening for these injuries, and that's why I'll establish clearer standards of care as President.

We have called on our troops and their families for so much during these last years, but we haven't always issued that call responsibly. Yes, we need to restore twelve month Army deployments, but we also need to restore adequate training and time at home between those deployments. My wife, Michelle, met with Army spouses the other day in North Carolina who told her about the toll it takes to watch your loved one serve tour after tour of duty with little to no time off in between. And they told her something we all need to remember: "We don't just deploy our troops overseas, we deploy families." That's why we also need to provide more counseling and resources to help families cope with multiple tours.

And when our loved ones do come home, it is time for the United States of America to offer this generation of returning heroes the same thanks we offered that earlier, Greatest Generation - by giving every veteran the same opportunity that my grandfather had under the GI Bill.

There is no reason we shouldn't pass the 21st Century GI Bill that is being debated in Congress right now. It was introduced by my friend Senator Jim Webb, a Marine who served as Navy Secretary under President Ronald Reagan.. His plan has widespread support from Republicans and Democrats. It would provide every returning veteran with a real chance to afford a college education, and it would not harm retention.

I have great respect for John McCain's service to this country and I know he loves it dearly and honors those who serve. But he is one of the few Senators of either party who oppose this bill because he thinks it's too generous. I couldn't disagree more. At a time when the skyrocketing cost of tuition is pricing thousands of Americans out of a college education, we should be doing everything we can to give the men and women who have risked their lives for this country the chance to pursue the American Dream.

The brave Americans who fight today believe deeply in this country. And no matter how many you meet, or how many stories of heroism you hear, every encounter reminds that they are truly special. That through their service, they are living out the ideals that stir so many of us as Americas - pride, duty, and sacrifice.

Some of the most inspiring are those you meet at places like Walter Reed Army Medical Center. They are young men and women who may have lost a limb or even their ability to take care of themselves, but they will never lose the pride they feel for their country. They're not interested in self-pity, but yearn to move forward with their lives. And it's this classically American optimism that makes you realize the quality of person we have serving in the United States Armed Forces.

This, after all, is what led them to wear the uniform in the first place - their unwavering belief in the idea of America. The idea that no matter where you come from, or what you look like, or who your parents are, this is a place where anything is possible; where anyone can make it; where we look out for each other, and take care of each other; where we rise and fall as one nation - as one people. It's an idea that's worth fighting for - an idea for which so many Americans have given that last full measure of devotion.

I can still remember the day that we laid my grandfather to rest. In a cemetery lined with the graves of Americans who have sacrificed for our country, we heard the solemn notes of Taps and the crack of guns fired in salute; we watched as a folded flag was handed to my grandmother and my grandfather was laid to rest. It was a nation's final act of service and gratitude to Stanley Dunham - an America that stood by my grandfather when he took off the uniform, and never left his side.

Abraham Lincoln once said, "I like to see a man proud of the place in which he lives. But I also like to see a man live so that his place will be proud of him."

There is no doubt that we are a nation that is deeply proud of where we live. But it is now our generation's task to live in a way that Stanley Dunham lived; to live the way that those heroes at Walter Reed have lived; the way that all those men and women who put on this nation's uniform live each and every day. It is now our task to live so that America will be proud of us. That is true test of patriotism - the test that all of us must meet in the days and years to come. I have no doubt that this nation is up to the challenge. Thank you, and may God Bless the United States of America.


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I have a feeling Hamas also will not support the GI bill. If some asshole cares to ask the question, ofcourse. McCain will get a pounding for the GI bill.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR SENATOR MCBUSH!

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However, Hamas does support torture . . . .

McCain and Hamas would likley vote the same on Veterans issues - oh wait, McCain actually CAN vote on Veterans issues ... MCCAIN GOT AN F ON HIS VOTING RECORD FOR VETERANS ISSUES. McCain would rather give tax breaks to his uberrich buddies flying around in his private Jet than fund the new GI Bill, and vets will vote for him becasue he was a POW, and not because of his support for them (he has none) - what a crock.

Way to follow Webb's leadership.

Senator McBush can't even do that much. He's too busy offering 4 more years of the same, only with a more mavericky twist.

maverick twist is that one like tangy paprika?

Do you know if whole foods sale it??

With party unity in mind, Obama was a gentleman and showed restraint during the primaries against a formidable adversary. However, he will tear McSame a new one.

Or rather, is tearing. This has already become a two-person race.

It's a long time until November. It's gonna be even longer for you, an alleged lifelong Democrat, if all you can do is sit around acting like a Republican.

Clinton lost. Suck it up and get over it. Nobody likes a whiner.

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Oh, for Christ's sake, Goatlife, give it a break, OK? Enough already. I'm really tired of your posts. We get it - your candidate lost and you don't like Obama. You're so blinded by bitterness that you can't even get out of your own way to see that Obama is highlighting an issue that should resonate with all Americans. That IS leadership, despite what your narrow mind accepts as reality.

Gotalife, not Goatlife. I wish one of them would change their screen name. BTW, Gotalife is a Limbaugh troll, not an HRC supporter.

Exactly GL - I'm sick of Obama trying to trick us into thinking he is a leader. Why is he supporting Webb? That's not leading. Total Cool aid. I think you would agree with me that he is truly trying to stop American from beign.

STOP. REPLYING. TO THIS TROLL.

ignore him. he will go away. engaging him just makes him feel vindicated in his trolling.

Are you kidding? I come here everyday for a daily Goatlife laugh and to tell him about the Kool Aid flavor of the day.

Today's Flavor: Presidential Punch

Gotalife and Goatlife are not the same poster.

Gotalife and Goatlife are not the same poster.

I'm aware of that. People here have been calling GotALife Goatlife to mock him for his stupid bombast. The poster Goatlife took on that persona as a way of driving home the point.

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Thank you. Why folks waste their time with that cat, I have no idea.

Well done!

I don't know if Clinton or Obama have hit McCain on the GI Bill in the past but I'm glad he's doing it now at least.

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I know that it's been a semi-regular part of Hillary's stump, but I'm not sure about Obama. After all, I believe Hillary is on the committee and she may even be a co-sponsor of the bill.

Just looked it up. They're both co-sponsors, actually, along with many others. Obama's on the Senate Veteran Affairs committee.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-22

Or, just possibly, he really believes that the maltreatment of returning Vietnam veterans was one of the saddest episodes in our history.

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And maybe he believes that because it is true.

The GOP has been playing with their military supporters for far too long. They tend to think bumper sticers and flag lapel pins forgive their screwing over the military, it doesn't.

"Support our troops," should meen something and the more Obama slams this message into the American psyche, the better.

P.S. - I heard somewhere that the number of suicides of US combat troops exceeds the number of soldiers killed in the line of duty. Think about that for awhile.

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No Shit.

Since when is the mistreatment of veterans solely an issue of the right?

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"One of the saddest episodes in our history was the degree to which returning vets from Vietnam were shunned, demonized and neglected by some because they served in an unpopular war. Too many of those who opposed the war in Vietnam chose to blame not only the leaders who ordered the mission, but the young men who simply answered their country's call. Four decades later, the sting of that injustice is a wound that has never fully healed, and one that should never be repeated."

This is more of the bullshit RW revisionism that has split this country for thirty years, and as a bonus, it's a swipe at those old Boomers from the unity candidate. It certainly isn't a conciliatory "olive branch" to independents; more like pandering to the right and Reagan Democrats. Next, he'll be pushing the stabbed-in-the-back theory of how we lost Vietnam like McCain. Not pretty.

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McCain's refusal to support this bill gives me optimism about his campaign. Seriously.

He could have chosen to champion this bill, wrapped himself in his military honors, AND defied Bush in the process, and come across as a "maverick" who really cares for the troops, unlike the current Administration. The fact that he hasn't suggests that his campaign managers might be blind to some opportunities.

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I think McCain's refusal to sign on with the new GI Bill is more than just bad politics.

The DOD is scared shitless of that bill. They know if that bill passes they'll see a mass exodus of kids hoping to trade boots for suits, and they've kind of got a big retention problem already.

That's our government: Keeping our military strong by squashing opportunities for veterans.

that is exactly JMC's position, it will make a great TV adv.

Once again, the right has their short term blinders on. Maybe, just maybe, potential recruits would feel better about joining up if they knew they would be (actually, not bumper sticker-style) supported when their service is complete. Even if there is some immediate loss, it's gotta be a good thing in the long run.

You can only recruit just so many felons...

The McCain camp's response to the bill - "But but, if the veterans get good benefits, they'll want to leave the armed services" - is pretty sickening.

One of many, but among the top two or three, reasons he will lose. He's past it, for sure, and it's 10 years until November. McCain cannot break 45-47% in national polls now. When the dems have their nominee, I predict McCain will never rise above 45% again. This is assuming he makes it to November. Let's see those medical records. Let's also see Cindy's personal tax returns, since it's clear there's a campaign connection, there, Mr. McCain/Feingold. HIGH-pocracy, I tells ya...

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and it's 10 years until November,/i>

Perhaps we need to measure months in dog years for McCain.

I love that Cindy McCain has categorically said "I'm not releasing my tax racords and it's none of your damn business!!!" Welcome to the general election, Mrs. McCain, and you're entitled to your own delusions.

He's supposedly coming up with his own bill with less benefits included.

This is a really good issue for him I think. It kills many birds with one stone a) it counteracts the argument 'he has no accomplishments' and highlights some of the work he did in the senate b) it demonstrates his patriotism and c) it shows McCain for the phoney he is

My favorite line -

At the same time, we must never forget that honoring this service and upholding these ideals requires more than saluting our veterans as they march by on Veterans Day or Memorial Day.

But what it should have said...
these ideals requires more than saluting our veterans as they march by on Veterans Day or Memorial Day or wearing a flag pin...

The brilliance of this is that the flag lapel pin is even more conspicuous by its absence.

It's like he's saying to McCain, "I got it all teed up, asshole, and one of these days I'm gonna hit it. But not just yet. I want you to think about it a bit. I want you to squirm."

Except he was wearing a flag pin today.

I am sure this will be examined more than the substance of his speech.

Really?

Holy cow. The plot thickens...

Exactly. He'll be called out for pandering with the pin more than any coverage for one helluva speech.

I wonder if this is the same flag pin the veteren gave him in PA. I hope so. He also wears a bracelet that a WI woman gave him that is inscribed with her son's name - he died in Iraq.
I don't see McCain wearing one of those. McCain must be an Al-Qaida sympathizer then. Of course I don't believe he shares their views but, he isn't wearing the bracelet...the American people might be interested in that.

I agree with NCSteve that we shouldn't let political analysis overwhelm the sincerity of the remarks. But I do think there's some strategy here, too. In addition to the points you made, I also think one of the ways the Republicans plan to try to use Ayers against Obama is by emphasizing the anti-Vietnam War angle (see Kerry in '04). These comments, repeated often enough, could insulate him from those attacks a bit.

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Obama is talking patriotism like crazy in this speech. That's a good thing.

Patriotism, plus God talk would suit the West Virginia crowd, if what the pollsters and demographers tell us is true. I think he needs some mailings with that flier that counters the Muslim/Madrassa smear.

"A chemical plant collapsed in Shifang city, to the northeast of the quakeโ€™s epicenter, burying hundreds of people and sending more than 80 tons of toxic liquid ammonia leaking from the site, state media report."

Geez.

Exactly GL - why can't Obama stay on topic like us?

A fan for gotalife. It's gonna be alright, you're gonna be fine. I promise. Funny and Sad- Mark Twain's discourse in action. GL.

Where is Obama's leadership to end earthquakes?

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That is horrible - over 8,500 people died in that quake. Very, very sad.

Major earthquake and the death toll will rise.

Cyclones, earthquakes, wild fire in Florida, floods, tornadoes and hurricane season is near.

Yeah, there are bigger things than Obama.

I wonder which radical, religious, wingnut will spew armageddon is here?

McGee, Wright, Robertson?

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Whatever.

I look forward to you taking every damn event in the world and tracing it back to Obama. It's hilarious, in a way. And disturbing, as well, because it makes you appear to be an unhinged and unprincipled hater.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but weren't YOU the first wingnut to connect this to Armageddon?

I'm just sayin'


SO SAYS DOOM!

Exactly Gotalife - I think you'd agree people should realize there is so much in the world to be absolutely terrified of - which is another reason no one should show up to vote in November.

Total Kool aid! No leadership. McSame.

The dems.

Keep up the A-game GL - I am #1 fan!

You don't understand. The only reason he wants more money for the GI bill is so he can send returning soldiers to madrassas.

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Great speech. It should be making the McCain people very, very afraid.

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Something that I find interesting is that taking care of veterans was the theme of Obama's Charleston visit, something which should resonate in West Virginia because of the large vet community, but yesterday was Mother's Day.

From my now-dormant, general interest blog;

If you ever travel through Grafton WV, you will most likely notice the roadside marker. It is located in front of what is now, known as the "International Mother's Day Shrine" which is maintained by private donations and the Methodist Church.

During the Civil War, the area around Grafton was a battleground, because it offered the main junction of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. Control of the railway provided access to the area coal mines and the steel mills of Pittsburgh and Wheeling. Throughout the war, the railroad stayed in Union hands, but it was an early strategic target and the Governor of Virginia had moved quickly to recruit a force from nearby communities in an effort to seize the asset.

Ann Marie Jarvis had organized "Mother's Day Work Clubs" to relieve some of the burdens of a tuberculosis outbreak, prior to the war and during the hostilities, their charters were expanded to provide neutral services to combatants on both sides. After the war, she organized a Mothers' Friendship Day in an effort to bring the two sides together. The celebration became an annual event for a number of years, plus she and her husband founded Andrews Methodist Church in downtown Grafton. She taught Sunday School at that church for 23 years, but following her husband's death, she moved to Philadelphia to be with her son and two of her daughters.

Ann Marie died in 1905 and two years later, her unmarried and childless daughter Anna led a tribute to her mother in the sanctuary of Andrews Methodist. Inspired by the example of her mother, Anna petitioned for a holiday to honor all mothers and the first "official" services were held on May 10th, 1908 in the Grafton church and a Philadelphia auditorium. In 1914, President Wilson declared it a national holiday and years later, the Methodists designated the small church in the hills of West Virginia, a Shrine.

PS) Though I kind of wish that somebody had taken advantage of the Mother's Day connection, I did kind of get a kick out of Jay Rockefeller's introduction, where he said that he knew Obama as a "devout christian and patriotic American".

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Whoops! My blockquote didn't work properly. The quoted, unedited text from my old blog is everything from the quote, down to the blank line before the "PS".

On ObWi, Hilzoy has a post about the republicans voting against Mother's Day.

I enjoyed the fact that the speech mentioned the homecoming from this current war as a fact. For my brothers and sisters who have had to endure multiple deplpyments out here, the thought of a light at the end of the tunnel gives me no end of hope.

McCain is responding to fears that an increased GI Bill means that the armed forces will not want to stay in for another term. They cry about the current staff NCO deficit that is starting to disrupt the enlisted command structure. That wouldn't be such a problem if tours of duty were hont being piggy-backed and depriving troops the opportunity to get their degree and take advantage of tuition assistance while enlisted.

No matter what benefits McCain would like to minimize or deprive troops of as an incentive to keep us in uniform, it does not stop the exodus. Even the blanket mobilization orders that are being handed out to troops that have yet to complete their obligated service will not stop the exodus. None of these acts give the Iraq war the meaning that justifies the continued level of sacrifice expected of us every day of every year.

If this GI Bill passes, I will jump for joy. Not just for myself, but for every one of us that wants to beat our sword into a plowshare and contribute to the world, provide more for our families and set an example for our children. Obama has framed this issue properly as true support for the troops who are sacrificing in a war that foments existential angst. The suicide rate comes from guilt, fear, trauma, and anger. Whatever can be done to salve this will go a long way to staving off the kind of mentall illness tidal waves that have followed 20th century conflicts.

Obama is the President for me.

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Well said. I'd much rather spend our defense dollars on veterans than on nuclear weapons and Halliburton/Whitewater contractors.

Well said, I couldn't agree more. Thank you for your service to our country!

I like this speech very much. I think it portends well for us against McCain.

McCain Of The Panderosa.


For a Gas Tax Holiday, but does nothing to enact it.

Acknowledges the reality of Climate Change, but wants to do nothing to halt it.

Against Torture, then is against a ban on Torture.

Against Lobbyists having special influence, but hires the most influential Lobbyists to control his campaign.

Pleads for civility and tolerance, while courting Christo Fascist Hagee.


Praises the Troops while denying them their hard earned care and rewards.


Folks; please contribute additional examples of the Profiles In Blurage of McCain Of The Panderosa.

The little Maverick has roamed the range, covering it with cow shite, so that a million Turdblossoms may bloom.

Time to define the true nature of that Wee Bovine dispenser of Manure.

Man, he is one inspriring person:

But it doesn't have to be this way. Not in this country. Not if we decide that this time will be different. There are many aspects of this war that have gone inalterably wrong, but caring for our veterans is one thing we can still get right.

The GI Bill issue is really going to hurt McCain. Obama will surely incorporate many of points from today into his stump speech. Bravo.

I get the distinct feeling the gotalife 9who hasn't got one) is trying to change the subject from the embarrassing loss of HRC's bid for the nomination.

Anyone else sense it?

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Nah. He's just saving his energy for Wednesday, when he can post feverishly about how Clinton's win in WV means that the nomination is locked up and Obama should just go home.

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No, I think Got a Life really thought this was the best possible time and place to discuss the earthquake tragedy. That the discussion above took up a good 15 inches of discussion board space was just an unforeseen consequence!

Goatshite is a right wing arse troll. Not very long ago he was playing the race and Muslim card against Senator Obama. No true progressive would do that. Otto is another one. They are now going to try and morph into Trojan Horse trolls. They will try to pass as democrats, while all the while passsive agressively continuing to smear Senator Obama.

Just step around all Goatshite droppings. He wants people to step in them so that they will continue to spread the stench. Quarantine all those racist arse trolls.

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Who is gotalife?

Gotalife brings up a serious issue. With the end times in plain sight - it's very important that we all stop participating in the democratic process - which is total cool aid that doesn't lead anywhere. I think Gotalife would agree with me that everyone should be investing their monies in shotguns and canned food.

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There's a storm coming, indeed
(skip to minute 0:40)

We have to be ready!

This exactly what supporters of Sen. Webb's bill needed. The fact that Sen. McCain does not support the Post 9/11 Veterans Educational Assistance Act (S.22)must be brought to the public's attention until there is no other choice but to sponsor the bill.

Here is a little history of Sen. McCain and S. 22:

January of 2007 S. 22 is introduced to the Senate by Sen. Jim Webb.

March of 2008 Sen. McCain says he has not had a chance to review it in detail.(13 months after introduction) Here is video of the question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umb_Msia8nU

Then within three weeks of this question Senators McCain, Graham and Burr introduce competing legislation, effectively transforming veterans education into a partisan issue. They cited retention as their main concern.

Last week I presented Sen. McCain with the facts showing previous increases in education benefits had no effect on retention. I also pointed out that his bill will leave the average servicemember with $20,000 in student loans over the course of a four-year degree:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yp4prYtBWw

Then a few days ago the Congrssional Budget Office released a report, at the request of republicans, on the effects S. 22 on retention. They stated it "may reduce retention by 16%, but that reduction would be offset by a 16% increase in recruiting.

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Then within three weeks of this question Senators McCain, Graham and Burr introduce competing legislation, effectively transforming veterans education into a partisan issue

The hell you say!

Seriously, though, thanks for highlighting this sequence of events. Particularly the issue on retention.

And keep up the good work.


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He who cast the first stone, calling Senator Clinton Bush-Cheney lite? He who has repeatedly said that "Sen. Clinton would do anything to get elected." He who has been unrelenting on his campaign to call Sen. Clinton a liar, perpetuation the myth that she is the most untrustworthy person in Washington? He who has called for a new kind of politics, yet clings to issues, such as his Reverend, for political advantage because it helped him at first and then dumps the same person---for political gain?

I am proud to be a Democrat, and I am proud that BOTH of these candidates are qualified to be President of the United States. But please, people, if you want to unite the Party again, it is an Obama supporter---not a Clinton supporter---who needs to put their arm around the other.

And please, can we stop this talk about "ruining the party." Both candidate received a similar number of votes, in fact, Senator Clinton has received more votes FROM Democrats. She is well regarded among Democrats. The Clinton's, improbably, took back the White House against all odds following the most popular Republican reign in modern history.

Let's keep our facts straight, please, and let's try to keep our eyes on the ball.

You're kind of like Gotalife - only with bigger words.

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Bigger words, AND, longer sentences.

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Ummm. Nice rant. Meant for, perhaps, a different topic?

Being off topic's never stopped Gotalife - which is what makes him(her?) so brilliant!

Ross Perot destroyed Bush One, and Bob Dole. Spare us the revisionist history crap.

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You mean the revisionist crap that Sen. Clinton has received more votes from Democrats--you know, that party that 'she' is destroying--than Sen. Obama. Hell, I'll buy your theory that "Bill Clinton didn't win 1992, and Bush didn't lose it---Perot just interfered" (Which is bullshit, but I'll buy it).

But the fact of that matter is that this long primary fight has not only been one of the more civil epic campaigns that I have seen in awhile, but that Sen. Obama did in fact attacking Sen. Clinton a lot. especially hitting her in her weakest spot consistently---calling her a liar everyday.

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No she didn't. In fact she only won Indiana by a sliver of a margin because of the GOP "Operation Chaos" voters in an open primary. North Carolina was the primary last week where GOP voters could not vote in our primary and he kicked her ass.

You irrelevant metric "Democratic voters" is simply not true.

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You are utterly and completely wrong. Sen. Clinton has received the majority of Republicans in four states.

Sen. Obama has received them in ALL other states (INCLUDING Texas, by the way).

Yes, Indiana represents 25% of the states that Sen. Clinton has received more Republicans.

By the way, I think Sen. Obama receiving votes from Republicans and independents is a good thing, and it is something that you should (I know I do!) embrace!

But my point about her receiving more DEMOCRATS is still valid. A point, I argue, that is valid when Obama supports claim that she has destroyed the party.

You cite no numbers, and now you say Clinton has won more Democrats and Republicans. Yet, she is losing in every metric. Ask yourself, does your assertion make sense?

Also, HRC's metrics conveniently do not include caucus states. In caucus states, we voted too. And in my state (Washington) he won the Democrats by 2 to 1. You have no idea what you are talking about.

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You cite no numbers, and now you say Clinton has won more Democrats and Republicans. Yet, she is losing in every metric. Ask yourself, does your assertion make sense?

Also, HRC's metrics conveniently do not include caucus states. In caucus states, we voted too. And in my state (Washington) he won the Democrats by 2 to 1. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted by libgirl

Again, this is where things get a little silly. I am saying VERY nice things about Barack Obama. I like him very much. And it is EXTRAORDINARY the number of Republicans he can get to vote for him. It's truly a test of strength for him going into November.

I have never said here at all that Sen. Clinton won a majority of Republicans. She did not. Yes, she won a majority of them in four states, but she has not won a majority of them. And I am not saying that, because more Republicans voted for Obama that the difference in his margin of victory is 'tainted.' Those are the rules, and he played them well.

In fact, I am applauding Sen. Obama very much on this point. I believe the ONLY thing I was defending was that Sen. Clinton has (I think until now) had every right to stay in this race and certainly should not be seen as someone destroying the party when, in fact, she has more support from the Democratic base. I'm glad this base is shifting and broadening.

Finally, in regards to your 'what about the will of the people in caucuses,' here I may have to, forcefully, object. You can't have it both ways. Obama fans like caucuses, in PART, because they did favor and help propel a lot of big margin victories for Sen. Obama. Consider, in fact, the primary in your state, and the margin is much different. It is just as easy to say that if caucuses were proportioned to how a primary would reflect its process that the numbers would actually HELP Sen. Clinton. Either way, that's what the rules are and they helped your guy (which is totally within, of course, the 'rules'). But you can't change those rules anymore than you can't change the superdelegate rule; which is that they could vote any way they saw fit---whether it be pledged delegates, popular vote, or who's the better dresser.

I am not saying Obama fans or Hilalry fans owe anyone a hug. I was happy to vote Clinton, I will be happy to vote Obama. But it is my contention that Obama supporters have more of a burden than Clinton supporters do in terms of 'uniting' this party.

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Hear! Hear! Ombudsman. (sounding like chant of British Parliament)

You say that Obama supporters owe Clinton supporters a hug, and not the other way around?

We owe you nothing, and you owe us nothing. You made a choice, we made a choice. Our choice was the choice of more people than your choice. So be it. You should support the candidate who will advance your goals, without a need for bribes or placation. If Obama more closely mirrors your values, but you vote for McCain because you didn't get a hug, you are pathetic.

And if Obama loses the General because of things HRC said or did, you should expect nothing but contempt from us. Not friggin' hugs.

Perfect point of contrast. Shows what a hypocrite McSame is. Goes right to the heart of McSame's supposed strength.

Also, could this be a clue of one way Obama might be thinking on his veep choice?

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With party unity in mind, Obama was a gentleman and showed restraint during the primaries against a formidable adversary. However, he will tear McSame a new one.

Posted by AdAbsurdum
May 12, 2008 1:37 PM


You see, gotalifefan, it's precisely that attitude I am talking about. Your candidate preaches for unity among all people of all parties. And you? You essentially call me an asshole. I am very excited that the Democrats have an amazing opportunity to regain the White House and pad our majority in both chambers of Congress. I like Obama. I like Clinton better. It's absurd to me that Democrats would hate either one of these candidates. It's also difficult for me to see how the party will unite when Obama supporters treat Clinton supporters this way.

Dear Clueless,

McSame is kind of a code word for McCain. Rip McCain a new one.

Duh.

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Any linking on my part between "rip McSame a new one" and saying that people call Clinton supporters, such as myself, 'assholes' was completely coincidental. You, sir, are the one not reading between the lines.

You, sir, are the one who screwed up who you were lambasting.

But, whatever....if this is the new diplomacy, I'll pass.

Wait - did you just call Gotalife an "asshole".

WAY out of line.

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LOL!

OK, I'm totally confused. SNARK and seriousness seem totally mixed up here!

ombudsman: You have hopped into a running pissing match between this "gotalife" guy and the board in general. He's also got this 12 year old sycophant who appears to be a total retard.

Seriously though, I've heard many Obama supporters reach out to Clinton supporters on this site. I don't think that either side should really expect the other to come out and say "we were just horrid to you - sorry." mainly because both sides have so many legitimate complaints.

So, what exactly would make you feel better about the whole situation? I must warn you in advance, whenever she officially drops out, every putz in the universe is going to be out saying all sorts of retarded things. How pissed can we really get over children who's parents don't monitor their computer usage?

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I understand where gotalife stands on this board and website. gotalife is a loser Clinton supporter, and I am a Clinton supporter. I have never 'defended' gotalife on this post or any other.

I know, as a Clinton supporter, I may lack the intellect required to separate the snark from the serious here. But I think, at least on this board, I've got it covered. (Thanks for the advice, though).

Okay, did you even read the post you're referring to? That post was complimentary toward both Obama and Clinton, and predicted that Obama would take the gloves off against McCain (aka McSame). What the hell are you talking about here?

He's not really sure.

gotalife, did you read how the myannuwanamar disaster was caused because the muslim guy one the democratic primary and he attended a madrassa in miandamar

It is a total disgrace that a man who made these comments does not really support the troops.

"I got to give you some straight talk my friends this is a tough war we're in. It's not going to be over right away. There's going to be other wars. I'm sorry to tell ya, there's gonna be other wars. We will never surrender but there will be other wars. And right now we've gotta...we're gonna have allot of PTSD to treat my friends. We're gonna have allot of combat wounds that have to do with these terrible explosive IEDs that inflict such severe wounds. And my friends it's going to be tough."

How can McCain ask the troops to sacrifice on one end and not reward them for their service on the other end? McCain is a total fraud.


McCain gets a tax-free disability pension of $58,000, plus maximum social security benefits, plus a Senator's salary of $175,000 -- all paid for my the taxpayers.

If McCain is so disabled that he needs a lifetime disability pension why would anyone think he is Presidential material?

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I don't begrudge McCain getting disability for his wounds in being shot-down and then tortured by the North Vietnamese during the Vietnam War.

What I begrudge him is not voting to support a bill with even close to comparable respect and support for our other vets who have served/serving and paid/will the price they pay for such service.

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Never mind her tax returns, get the flight logs from the private plane!

I like Clinton supporters, I used to be one. So I understand were you are coming from. I'm now a huge Obama fan, so I hope you will join me if (and it's looking good) he becomes the nominee.

I'd just like to add, that as far as I am concerned I am very excited about Obama's candidacy and I think many Obama supporters are feeling frustrated since this process is still continuing. Thus, excitement without anywhere to put it (in a definitive sense) is turning into frustration. I don't believe it's anything personal against Hillary supporters themselves. We'll come around..... I did. I just gave up on my frustration and am trying to look forward to the fall. Isn't always easy, but I'm trying.

I like you.

The Nick Fury avatar doesn't hurt, either.

Nick Fury rules. Have you checked out "Secret Invasion" yet?

Obama is a perfect Bugs Bunny to John McCain's Elmer Fudd and Hillary's Daffy Duck!

After reading the incredible detail in Obama's "Vetrans" speech, and the posts, I think I got it figured out!

I surmise that Obama has held back during this primary season, lest Hillary STEAL his platforms (as she has) and claim that she has been for such and such since 1980.

I haven't seen any cartoons or amateur animation, but McCain is the perfect Fudd. Obama is a Bugs and Road Runner wrapped up in one.

"That's all Folks!"

Polls don't matter much but there are some real positive issues for Obama in the latest ABCnews poll. You can see the electorate is pivoting toward Obama as he pivots his rhetoric on McBush.

Obama is ahead of Clinton 53-41.

Obama is ahead of McCain 51-44 and with Independents 51-42.

Obama is ahead of Clinton for the first time as a strong leader versus Clinton 49-42. His toughness has really shown through with the way he handled the Wright issue and handled the bogus gas tax holiday.

Obama is ahead of McCain on every issue except Terrorism.

Clinton is ahead of McCain 49-46 but behind with Independents with 46-49.

This is really good news for Obama. Since he has lost the tether to Clinton he is flying high.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1064a208Election.pdf

I thought it was rather obvious: Mrs. Clinton has been "the favorite" for the 2008 race since she first ran for the senate seat. We all predicted she would win this in a cake walk. BAM, here comes Osama (oops, I mean Obama) out of nowhere, and he quickly rises in popularity as the flavor of the week. He spouts his obligatory Lip Service. He is clearly intelligent and poised. Well rehearsed. Black Americans are over-joyed. Comedy ensues.
Excuse me? 90% of the black vote? Does anyone even CARE that we don't know the guy? He is just as slippery as Bill Clinton ever was. And Bill never had the Race Card to play.
We, the people, Do Not Know this Man. What has he done besides run for office? Will he (like McSame) turn around and abolish Roe v. Wade with his 1st Supreme Court nominee? If Obama has received all that money (Three times Hillary's take) doesn't that mean he has THAT MANY MORE favors to re-pay when he gets the job?
I can not trust him. He has the typical politician's trait of double faced pandering to whomever is screaming the loudest.
Reverend Wright: friend or foe? Depends on what day it is.
William Ayers: infamous Weathermen terrorist or just one of those "bitter" black men clinging to his gun?
HILLARY has a track record. HILLARY has been working the aisle since Bill was govenor of ARK. Even the GOP have to give her props, she's a formidable candidate.
WOMEN need to put the sexist inferiority complexes to bed and vote for YOUR candidate.
THE MEN are not going to look out for us. They will make sure you carry that pregnancy to term, like it or not, and then send your son over to Iraq to be killed in combat. They will send your daughters to Iraq and never pay them COMBAT salaries like the men, because it isn't actually a war, per se. Bullshit! Why is it okay to kill our adult children but not do stem cell research?
MEN don't get it. HILLARY gets it.
The time for masoginist rulers has passed, people. Are you all nuts? Vote for the president we NEED, not because they are GOP or DEM, or black or white or male... because if you are all that sort-sighted, we are all doomed.

Now, Let me see? If I was born the son of a Muslim and wanted to run for president of the United States of America someday, would I assume that identifying myself as a Muslim might hurt my chances? Damn right I would. I'd have to get my ass in a school quick and learn how to talk like Whitey, and I would look for an innocuous little black church that nobody knows nothing about and I'd call that "my church", even if I didn't go. Cuz I can't let American ppl know how I really feel. They wont like me very much if they knew how much I hate the US government (thats why I want to change it so much). They better not find out that I THINK white, capitalist Christians are heretics and infidels, no no. I won't get elected that way. Democracy has failed and I would be just da man to take it out to the curb.

But I better convince all the white folks that I mean only the best for every body. They stupid, so it won't b that bad, ya know? Besides, da Time Has Come for reparations my brothers. Da White Man has to step down and give a brother his do respec.
Gotta keep the wife quiet, tho. Shes militant, u know. She caint wait to have a House ful of white folks running around callin her da First Lady. Y'all, we gonna party like its 1999. No, like it's 2012. Whenever the Mayan people stopped counting.

Secret Service covering my ass for life. Sweet. Bye bye Bush, and thanks for all the angst.

so why should I pay even higher taxes, just so that some deadbeat hicks who signed up for the military get a free ride? Either they wanted the GI Joe package i.e. signing bonus, vo-cab training, a paycheck better than back in Hicksville, and whatever benefits that currently exist, or they wanted to go kick Iriaqi ass to avenge 9-11. Either way, they got what they wanted, and what they contracted for.

And as for Obama, or Clinton, or you people, I am quite, quite sure that despite your crocodile tears, dumb hicks from Arkansas are people you naturally look down upon.

On another, but related note, did you notice that in the movie Black Hawk Down (and the books makes explicit reference) there are zero AA Rangers or Delta? Apparently, over in AA Studies Department, performance doesn't matter, but for elite combat units, there's no place for setting aside places for people based on ethnicity or race.

Since the beginning of the internet until the end there will always be trolls looking for a rise.

The cost of this bill is so insignificant in relation to the supplemental that even mentioning the cost is irrelevant:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-rieckhoff/congress-money-for-war-bu_b_101435.html

If youz so dang better dan all us deadbeat hicks inna military, why da hell u even give a dam about taxes? U so dam rich, right? Why don u just sit behind at big ol' puter screen and keep actin like u a hardass Don worry bout me n ma hick friends, unnastan?

Anyone can talk shit from the keyboard, consider doing that from outside of a military base.

McCain would be Hamas' worst nightmare? Well McCain as President IS Veterans worst nightmare! They would both likely vote the same on U.S Military Veterans issues - oh wait, McCain actually CAN vote on Pro-Veterans laws and DID vote against almost all of them ... MCCAIN GOT AN F ON HIS VOTING RECORD FOR VETERANS ISSUES. McCain would rather give tax breaks to his uberrich buddies flying around in his private Jet than fund the new GI Bill, and vets will vote for him becasue he was a POW, and not because of his support for them (he has none) - what a crock.

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"Or, just possibly, he really believes that the maltreatment of returning Vietnam veterans was one of the saddest episodes in our history.

"Posted by The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
May 12, 2008 1:06 PM

To believe that is to be ignorant of history. Veterans have been getting the shaft since, at latest, those who engaged in Shays' rebellion.

It is also to believe that those who participated in/advanced an illegal war, whether willingly or gullibly because too lazy to inform themselves of the readily-available facts, are victims of others than themselves and their own laziness.

We get the same self-pity/denial BS when we call McShameful a "hero" because he:

1. Was illegally in Vietnam,
2. Flew a plane over North Vietnam and dropped bombs there,
3. Got shot down,
4. Landed in a lake,
5. Was saved from drowning by the North Vietnamese, and then
6. Imprisoned as a POW.

Only in America can a guy who gets captured by the enemy be called a "hero" because he got captured by the enemy.

McSham.

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