Obama Hits Back: Debate With McCain And Bush Over Foreign Policy Is One "I Will Win"
In remarks in South Dakota just now, Barack Obama hit back hard at George Bush's and John McCain's foreign policy attacks yesterday, stating flatly that a debate with the two Republicans over foreign policy is a debate that "I will win."
"George Bush and John McCain have a lot to answer for," Obama said.
The fight is one that the Obama campaign is eager to have, because it accomplishes two things. First, it forces McCain to stand by Bush, making it easier to tie them together. And second, it puts Obama, sans Hillary, on the same stage as the current Republican president and his would-be successor, making the Dem primary seem a bit like a distant memory.
"If George Bush and John McCain want to have a debate about protecting the United States of America, that is a debate I am happy to have any time," Obama said. "That is a debate that I will win."
He proceeded to rattle off all the things Bush and McCain have to "answer for." The unnecessary Iraq War. The phantom WMDs. The strengthening of Iran. The fact that "Hamas now controls Gaza." And the fact that Osama Bin Laden is "sending out video tapes with impunity."
Obama also slammed the notion that he'd ever supported any sort of negotiations with terrorists. "They're trying to fool you, trying to scare you, and they're not telling you the truth because they can't win a foreign policy debate on the merits," he said.
At times, Obama hit what I think is the right tone -- ridicule and bemusement, rather than outrage. At one point, for instance, he noted that McCain has now promised an end to the war in 2013, after repeatedly suggesting a much longer open-ended commitment might be necessary.
"I think he noticed that it wasn't polling well," Obama joked.
Late Update: Here's the video of the speech:
Late Late Update: The McCain camp responds, says Americans have every reason to doubt whether Obama can keep us safe.















Sounds great, but it's about 16 hours late.
May 16, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, Obaam's timing has been completely off this entire campaign. He has no idea what he's doing. He has no clue how to run a campaign or plan ahead or pull out draw-dropping hat tricks when they are needed most.
I think he should listen to your wise advise.
He certainly doesn't know how to a damn thing right.
It's why he's losing.
LOL.
May 16, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
So I guess he ought to be responding to these smears BEFORE they happen, right? Anybody know where BO can get his hands on a time machine?
May 16, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL.
May 16, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love the fresh smell of snark in the morning. (Or afternoon, if you're being technical.)
Smells like...victory!
May 16, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Scientific snark, mind you.
[big grin]
May 16, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there any other kind?
(snicker)
May 16, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
he,he,he,he,he!!!! You have me giggling away here. Look at the muck that GW has made of things and look at the clone-like support from McCain. Actually he was against the mess GW made of Iraq before he was for it. We will be glad to compare competence between Obama and McCain. In that case, there is no contest. Obama wins hands down and even with his hands tied behind his back. The thing you need to know about this election go-round is that in Obama, we have a well-qualified person totally capable of a factual debate. He will mop the floor with McCain on the merits of his positions. You can see how horrible McCain and his cohorts' behavior has been for even X-Republicans like me. it is time for a total cleaning out of the monsters who have allowed their buddies to profit so much while our men and women in the service gave their lives, their limbs, and their health to fight this war based on a huge lie. McCain may not have told the lie first, but he surely is espousing it now and that will kill him in the General. Mari
May 17, 2008 4:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, it's right on time. Some of the people who read these blogs get too worked up about these things, expecting an immediate response and stressing out if it doesn't come. Most people aren't paying that close attention to this stuff. And if you respond too fast, the response gets lost in the initial charge. That's why you wait a little bit and then go on the offensive. That's what Obama just did.
May 16, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally disagree. The party leaderscome out as united immediately, the evening news picks it up and start to dissect the Bush/McCain arguement. Points out that appeasement is completely different and then in a very measured response, Obama owns today and the news cycle to follow. If he did it yesterday, he would be one item among many.
This was well done.
May 16, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually it is perfect because, one again, he will grab this news cycle. Perfect timing!
May 16, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
The timing is actually perfect. It ties McCain to Bush, and keeps Hillary on the periphery, for another news cycle and on into the weekend. And he doesn't come off as too defensive, which bespeaks confidence in his candidacy, his team, and his ability to articulate his side of the argument.
Well played.
May 16, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any sooner and it would have seemed "panicky"—if not to you or me, then to the heads and pens who control the popular narrative of this race. So relax.
May 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, the Democrats have their shit together on this one. There was a chorus of strong condemnation from the party as a whole from the moment Bush disgraced us in Israel, and Obama's remarks today acted as a powerful crescendo. The Dems effectively built up the Bush/appeasement story so that when Obama spoke out it would get roadblock coverage. And it did. These guys are GOOD.
May 16, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, the Democrats have their shit together on this one.
Not something you hear a whole lot....
May 16, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most of the world is on a 24 hour news-cycle, instead of the blogosphere's 24 minute news-cycle.
May 16, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the heck are you talking about? Obama camp were the first once to pounce on the comment as directed at them and respond- trigerring reactions from other democratic leaders.
May 16, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
edit:> I meant first ones
May 16, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good for Obama. We should welcome this debate. We will win it and the republicans will not. We should welcome any chance to make them remind the American people that they want to sink billions more dollars and thousands more lives into this pointless screw-up.
May 16, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that the nomination, for all intents and purposes, has been locked, up the hard part is behind us.
I always thought Hillary would prove a harder opponent than any of the candidates the GOP put forward. She is smarter and tougher that the lot of them.
The next few months will be interesting. Obama couldn't attack Hillary like he can attack McSame.
Let the battle begin.
May 16, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Side by side Barack Obama makes John McCain look even more like the village idiot than the village idiot he is trying to replace.
May 16, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ridicule and bemusement are exactly the right tone.
It's time someone stood up and burst out laughing at the fact that the emperor has no clothes, and hasn't had any, for many many years.
May 16, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the other hand, that analogy brings up images of McCain and Bush that are kind of icky.
May 16, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even ickier after the new one they've been ripped.
May 16, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sweet, sweet ridicule. Obama's made clowns out of the Neocons.
May 16, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Neoclowns?
May 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw! Awesome!
You're now competing with Liam for great quips.
May 16, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
yea - I'm surprised the emperor hasn't gotten a real bad chill from all the nakedness of 7+ years!
May 16, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hehe...can you say "shrinkage"? LOL
May 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Touche, Barack! He is soooooooo intellectually superior. I am glad he is defending himself right away so BushCain will know what to expect if/when they try this stupidity again.
May 16, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this not much better than a Bush-lite agenda? Democrats will now play the offense on defense.
May 16, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been waiting so. so. so. so long for a Democrat to talk like this instead of trying to protect his right flank by "talking tough". And it's bizarre to say it's "16 hours late"- there was an immediate response from the campaign as well as from other Democrats, and this is an exchange that will be repeated many times during the campaign.
May 16, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
The DLC way of triangulating and quivering at slightest attack from a right-wing lunatic, is dead.
Long live the Democratic Party.
May 16, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please let it be true. Let the DLC be dead!
May 16, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
♪ I was alive and I waited, waited
♪ I was alive and I waited for this.
Indeedy.
Molly Ivins, you'd better be watching from up there!
May 16, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome to the musical note! ♪
♪♪♪
May 16, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
A Jesus Jones reference?! Brilliant!
May 16, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain Of The Panderosa.
More War Years! More War Years! More War Years!
A vote for The Maverick Of The Panderosa, is like a Vote for the Cowboy from Crawford that rounded him up and branded him.
More War Years! More War Years! More War Years!
May 16, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
More War Years!
Love it! You're awesome, Liam. I might start stalking you, like GotALifeFan.
Just kidding...:)
May 16, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice work. He crushed it.
And I disagree with Mike Drew. When you have a good response on a topic that you want to debate, I think it is a good idea to let the story percolate in the media a bit.
May 16, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kind of like a General who lets the infantry go out first!
Yesterday you had so many members of Congress doing this!
Today - The Man at the Top!
May 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
HELL YEAH! I don't think this response is too late at all. There had to be time for McSame to echo Bush's Knesset remarks and for all that to resonate with the public.
May 16, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
What i found interesting is that Sen Obama, for all of his rhetoric about looking forward, spends a lot of his time looking back at th mistakes of the Bush administration. I really did not hear any substantive conversation about the future, and his comment that he would not talk to terrorists does not mesh with the statements on his website.
May 16, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, you're right. It's totally inconsistent to analyze past policy as a means of furthering future policy. That history stuff, and learning from it is so over-played.
May 16, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ridicule and Bemusement! The Obama Way!
Good work! ♪♪♪
May 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for your input, and there are some lovely parting gifts for you, concern troll.
May 16, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cowboy Bush and the Maverick he roped, McCain of the Panderosa just finished looking back all to way to 1938.
Your may have a grey beard, but certainly not much in the way of grey matter.
May 16, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can somebody please make liam's great image into a cartoon?
I'd love to see bush roping the maverick -- and his Forked Tongue!!!
May 16, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really did not hear any substantive conversation about the future, and his comment that he would not talk to terrorists does not mesh with the statements on his website.
First. You're using the "his website" reference to make yourself look valid and studied.
As for "any substative conversation about the future," I agree he doesn't have all the I's dotted and the T's crossed. But after a long long long time a leader is suggesting a substative shift in foriegn policy and that's a huge shift from the last eight years. For further enquiry visit: www.barackobama.com
May 16, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "past" mistakes? We are still fighting two wars and the policies of the last eight years have shaped the present. A mistake is locking your keys in the car--what Bush and Co. have done is crash the car straight into a ravine and we, the American people, are left to pull it out.
May 16, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Ridicule and bemusement" is the only proper tone Obama should take with these clowns. They aren't worthy of outrage, and they aren't worthy of any "all due respect." This shouldn't be difficult for Obama, as he has almost 8 years of the McBush years to hold up and throw in the GOP's face.
May 16, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
But only in good measure. Too much of that and it can backfire. But, if he plays it just right, it reflects the way the public reacts to these guys: "They've gotta be kidding!?"
Remember when Gore was debating Bush and he was so clearly superior and Bush was such an idiot, but Gore was coming across as smug and arrogant. Bemusement can be a two-edged sword.
May 16, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
What nonsense. When replying to a idiotic comment like Bush's, it is a terrible error to snap off a quick, off-the-cuff remark that is not well considered. Besides, he DID respond yesterday; are you paying attention?
Waiting a time, but not much, is statemanlike. It allows the comment to develop a life, and allows others to get in on the criticism. Now Obama, in a well-considered, thoughtful, measured way, has demonstrated that Bush and his little acolyte John McSenile are full of shit.
Obama continues to show the kind of temperament that is needed in the Oval Office. He sets the tempo, and is establishing a tone of measured, thoughtful, but VERY strong response to this shit from the Repukeliscum. All in all, a good job.
May 16, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think early primary concerns that Obamba was going to be--what's was the phrase?--"all Kumbaya" on the trail are being soundly put to rest.
The guy's no Kerry. He had the difficult task of winning the nomination at a time when he was necessarily (necessary due to his message) hindered from responding fully to both Clintons. Not an easy task, but one he succeeded at.
No such restrictions prevent an even stronger approach to McCain.
I look forward to the general election in direct proportion to the amount I did not look forward to this primary season.
McCain and Bush are going to get called out on their bullshit.
Obama is proving he is no wallflower.
May 16, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree-- and I wonder if this will do more than any debate or commercial could to win over Hillary supporters who don't think he's "tough" enough. This should assuage the fears of the more testicularly-conscious voter.
May 16, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
16 hours late?? Not everyone is a political junkie and it takes at least 24 hours for news of even a major (mis)statement to get around. I'd far rather have a candidate -- and president -- who spends some time checking the facts and thinking about what to say, rather than shooting from the hip.
He doesn't need to be, and shouldn't be, part of the front-line quick reaction team. In fact, Biden, Kerry and Clinton did just a fine, fine job of that. Nothing wrong with letting the people who are aware of the story spend a little time waiting to hear what he is going to say.
May 16, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Throwing around words like 'appeasement' divorced from context, meaning, or reality is the old style politics that leads to what we have now - an administration that is in perpetual campaign mode. Not an effective governing strategy, and one that leads to the dumbing down (if possible) of radio hosts like Kevin James.
It's easy to ridicule the ridiculous. If only they weren't running foreign policy for our nation.
May 16, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Haven't listened to the speech, at work. Did he go into the whole use of "appeasement" and how that was BS. Just curious. Any links to the text?
May 16, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Watch the town hall comments and then watch the press conference. Frickin' brilliant
May 16, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, I have no problems with Obama's timing on any of the responses. I trust in Obama's and Axelrod's instincts on this. They've proven incredibly adept so far.
May 16, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
They've proven incredibly adept so far
They've acted like thoughtful adults. No stupid knee jerk pandering responses throughout this whole campaign.
It's unusual to see, in a political campaign. And bodes well for how he will govern.
May 16, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's been running a great campaign in the primary and he's gonna kick McSenile's ASS in the general. He's already showing us that he's going to continue to run a great campaign...
May 16, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing wrong with his timing. What a relief, after watching Kerry self-immolate by taking the "I'm not going to dignify that with a response," route in '04. The Right Wing Noise Machine is going to learn: you fling shit at Obama, shit comes flying straight back at you!
May 16, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bushie calls you an appeaser and the best you can come back with is "George Bush and John McCain have a lot to answer for"?
That's setting the record straight.
May 16, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm so sorry that your reading comprehension skills don't allow you to read the entire post.
Such a shame.
May 16, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some children got left behind.
May 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
The product of a failed trophy Republican policy.
Isn't it sad?
May 16, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You two are awesome!
May 16, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now, hold on. I, too, was looking for a direct refutation of the fallacious appeasement charge by Bush, and was a little disappointed not to get it.
On the other hand, there's still time for him to edumacate Bush and McCain on that, as well as to call out McCain on his Hamas about-face. With luck, we can drag this out for a week or so, engaging in the specifics of the debate, bleeding Bush-McSame the whole while.
May 16, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very refreshing. Too often the Democratic response has been to try to out-hawk the neo-cons. That's a losing game, not to mention bad foreign policy.
I look forward to Obama and McCain standing on a stage and having that debate on foreign policy!
May 16, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
"What i found interesting is that Sen Obama, for all of his rhetoric about looking forward, spends a lot of his time looking back at th mistakes of the Bush administration. I really did not hear any substantive conversation about the future, and his comment that he would not talk to terrorists does not mesh with the statements on his website."
So, your advice is to ignore everything that has happened for the last 8 years? Ignore the Iraq war, since that is in the past? Ignore the violations of the Constitution?
What a stupid comment.
May 16, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
That advice makes a lot of sense if you're a McCain supporter.
May 16, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I didn't know better, I'd think George's little bombshell speech indicates that he's working for the Obama campaign. What a perfect set-up for Obama!
May 16, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I *love* that Biden actually used the word Bullshit (that was real straight talk).
And Obama sounds like he is nailing it as well.
May 16, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me too.
I like Biden a lot better where he is - not trying to run for president so he feels free to shoot off his mouth. He's got some great shit when he gets going.
He rarely follows through, but on something like this it doesn't matter.
May 16, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama WILL win this debate, because: (1) he's got strength, the facts and integrity on his side, (2) McCain is an opportunist who will take whatever position or use whatever argument du jour he thinks he needs to score political points, and (3) Bush is a coward, who used his daddy's connections to avoid military service in Viet Nam, lied about it and had the incriminating records destroyed.
May 16, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too much fun!
And Greg - I agree with you about the right tone - I think belittlement and bemusement totally trumps any kind of real outrage when it comes to McWar.
Great post.
And wonderful statement from Obama.
May 16, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember that unlike the Clinton/McCain relationship, Obama and McCain genuinely dislike each other. Game on. We finally have a good messenger, along with 4 more years of abject failure from the right. It's absolutely an argument we will win. I have no doubts whatsoever.
May 16, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your avatar really is cleaner and brighter than mine. I may have to concede Walter's visage.
May 16, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I, too, think Obama got the timing right.
By letting the rest of the party (including Hillary!) step up and defend him, he really projected the sense that he's the guy now. Then he comes in, weaves together the most effective parts of the earlier statements, especially Biden's mockery and Kerry's factual rebuttal, and delivers his response.
May 16, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Surely that isn't meant to be as grudging as it sounds?
May 16, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
To Mike Drew --
Perspective. We are obsessed. An hour is a year. I talked last night with two friends who are pro-Obama, and think they're really following the race. I happened to mention Howard Wolfson. They had no idea who he is.
I think Obama's timing on this response is good, because he will own Friday, maybe right through to Sunday morning.
Have a nice weekend everybody.
May 16, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now about that wimp factor --- Obama the pussy. Well, he takes on Hillary and Bill and won. Now he is ready to take on Bush and McCain. Don't go away, the fight has just begun.
There is one nice thing about being an empty suit. No matter how much they swing at you, they can't land a punch.
That's Obama: empty-suited wimp. All he does is take down giants.
May 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
May 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama took down The Clinton Testicles Quintet.
May 16, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Daaammn, liam, you're on fire today!
May 16, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree on the timing stuff. It would be one thing if it had been allowed to hang out there without commentary but he was out literally withing 15 minutes with his own statement then he had his fellow dem leaders (including Clinton) out there slamming the comments making hay on this ever since. This builds the interest and I think letting this thing percolate for the past 24hours was actually a good thing.
He has been too late on somethings in the past but this one I think is spot on.
May 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's what is known as Barakarate. You don't punch at your opponent, you punch through your opponent.
May 16, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I likes it
May 16, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barackarate: the only tenable response to an lying cheating murderous attack.
May 16, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's all that Presidential Punch KoolAid!
May 16, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mmmmmm...think GotALife will update his avatar?
May 16, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is my humble objective!
May 16, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently CNN didn't get the word that it's 16 hours late.
May 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
He sure ain't John Kerry. In fact, he's got the war/national security debate in a total role reversal from 2004. Now McKain's looking like a flip-flopper on Iraq and Hamas, just like the GOP got Kerry on his war authorization vote. And he's punching back hard, right away. The dude's a fighter.
May 16, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great television coverage. McCain loses this round.
It's defense as offense, and it's not the first time Obama has pulled that off.
May 16, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just curious. Was Obama wearing a flag pin?
May 16, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Never mind. The video is up there.
May 16, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can you imagine a presidential candidate is having a discussion with a sitting president? This is remarkable. This guy is smart, Jon Stewart said it best. "I want a president that is way smarter than me". He's doing it with a man with a 28% approval.Put that together with a nearly flawless campaign & command of finance never before seen........... well, beginning to look like a winning strategy. We may find all the outrage at long, long last coming home to roost.
May 16, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
From your fingers to the computer screens of the gods and goddesses.
My outrage will come home to roost when I see war crimes trials. I mean that.
And when Alberto Gonzales is disbarred by the State Bar of Texas.
May 16, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's beautiful about this whole episode is that very clearly Congressional Leaders are committed to rapid response.
And then the Top Gun goes into Action!
♪♪♪
May 16, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah it was nicely coordinated.
I love Howard Dean with all my heart!
May 16, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boy... the uplift of that campaign! And this one is stratospheric!!!
May 16, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
This campaign is incredible for being uplifting, alright.
Yeah - it's one of the most uplifting political experiences I've ever had - without a doubt.
And all the rest of America is going to respond to this uplift just like we have -
May 16, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, Howard Dean may just be the most-unsung hero of the 2008 elections. Between Obama running with his 50-state program and Dean's commitment to coordinated shit-kicking, he's really been a powerful phantom presence.
May 16, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been particularly pissed at party leaders since January for letting Hillary rage on all these months without serious requests that she rein in the vitriol. Actually, I've never had any love for the Dem party.
It turns out that their spinelessness allowed Obama time to develop an image of the David who already slew one Goliath and is eagerly loading up the sling and ready for more. So I'm begrudgingly grateful. But only begrudgingly.
May 16, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
When's the last time the GOP mentioned 9/11?
May 16, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry, it'll be coming shortly.
May 16, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of which, expect the orange alerts to start coming fast and furious commencing about the time Denver gets underway, and don't be surprised if there's an actual attack in October. I put nothing past them.
If we expect it, anticipate it, and even get the MSM on alert, it can be stopped in its tracks and interpreted correctly.
May 16, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the public is pretty much inured to the orange alerts (at least we are in DC). There would have to be some action behind it (not that I'm wishing that upon us), to really get a reaction. But, that old Homeland Security Orange Alert stuff just don't play like it used to.
May 16, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I loved the speech. I also loved the fact Dems rallied around Obama and with swiftness. Seems some lessons have been learned. ALso a tip of the hat tp HRC she played this eactly right and did Obama justice.
May 16, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lame.
Biden did the job.
May 16, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
You really should take some time off and recharge your batteries. You're just a pale imitation of the gotalife we all know and razz.
May 16, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Presidential Punch! We appreciate it!!!!
May 16, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yummy! I'll have some, please.
Listening to great slam-dunk speeches always works up a powerful thirst for me.:)
May 16, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, you tell them!!
May 16, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stop picing on Gotalife - he's still hung over from the party at Fogu's (wine coolers!).
Seriously though - GL - if you need to take a break - I am more than qualified to sub for you - check me out!
Kool aid!
Lame!
Boring!
The dems!
McSame!
We are screwed!
No leadership!
Seriously - put me in coach - I'm ready to PLAY!
May 16, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The poor guy is addicted to Fool-Aid.
May 16, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only fool aid is the one that is being poured on my pile of bullshit, which is symbolic of the CRAP that Gotalife and I feel this country is!
May 16, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stop it!
I'm falling in love with you, you know...
May 16, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
That little love note was for Liam.
You, GLF, are more like a gal pal to me.
Wanna go to step class later?
May 16, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
You really are awesome, GLF. I love you. But, I gotta say. Looking at your avatar...makes me want to go Number Two.
Sorry, just sayin'.
May 16, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
As much as I liked, admired and supported Gore in 2000, neither he nor (certainly) Kerry in 2004 came CLOSE to having the rapid-response capabilities that Bill Clinton pioneered and perfected in his two campaigns. In fact, both Gore and Kerry could be fairly criticized as being overly complacent and even naive about how to respond to GOP sliming attacks. But this dude Obama, he's a warrior, and his campaign is looking smarter and tougher by the day. No comparisons to Mike Dukakis here. Bravo.
May 16, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
What he's got to be careful to master, which Bill did pretty well, is blending his smarts with the kind of genuineness that allows people to identify him as one of us.
And that's an art.
May 16, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Finally, a Democrat is calling a spade a spade. If the media wasn't going to cover McCain's comments yesterday, it will have to look at them now that Obama has addressed them head on. Good for him.
http://thinmansblog.blogspot.com/
May 16, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's all together a different ball game when you hear and see Obama speak rather than just reading the transcript. He really packs a punch.
Thanks for the upload.
May 16, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kick ass!
May 16, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama just has to remember not to roll his eyes and sigh in the debates. That kind of backfired on Al Gore.
May 16, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Considering how different the two men are style-wise, I'm thinking Obama could even get away with a little eye rolling. He doesn't look or sound petulant. Al, bless him, had a big problem that he's apparently worked on cause it's better - his voice; it made his mannerisms seem petulant whether they were or not.
And I know how petty that sounds, but hell, the president's voice is half the job - it matters.
May 16, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
He sure looked bored and annoyed most of the time during primary debates. I suspect that now that he can take off the gloves and don the iron knuckles.
May 16, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sigh. That was supposed to be "Now that he can done the iron knuckles he's going to be like a kid in a candy shop."
I give up. I'm blocking political sites for the rest of the day. Have fun celebrating the happy turn in our fortunes, my Obamaramic friends!
May 16, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have to say, after all the b.s. about race post W.Virgina, it was sure inspiring to see that all-white South Dakota audience rise to their feet spontaneously as he shot back at the GOP attack machine.
A Democrat who won't be bullied. Dang! "They're trying to fool you, trying to scare you, and they're not telling you the truth because they can't win a foreign policy debate on the merits..."
Speak!
May 16, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
He does great west of the Mississippi and that is the whitest part of this entire country, for the most part.
All that racial voting trough crap completely falls apart west of the Mississippi.
:)
May 16, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
At times hit the right tone? I thought it was pretty much a home-run, and of course an indicator of more to come. I wish he'd drop the insider lingo--Bush's comments "for the domestic market," McCain's !00 years comment "didn't poll well"--these are grave matters, not stock market tips--but overall, I thought Obama's response was as smart, well-judged and forcefully delivered as any I've seen from a Democrat in a long time. Bodes well, IMO.
May 16, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very powerful.
He's just that damn good!
VERY proud that Barack Obama will lead us to victory in November when the real change we yearn for will finally begin!
May 16, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
This response capture's today's news cycle for Senator Obama, and also works as a lure to attract the Sunday Morning Network shows. Another fantastic piece of strategic timing by the Obama campaign.
May 16, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
How right you are!!!
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May 16, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Carville was good, but this dude Axelrod's pretty good, too.
Most importantly, this little chat with the South Dakotans has convinced me that Obama is be the best Democratic presidential candidate in this 47-year-old's lifetime --- and that includes WJC. Dude's got campaign skills that should easily transition to excellent governing skills. I'm sick of first-termers positioning for re-election rather than governing and sick of emasculated lame ducks running to enhance or preserve a party's standing.
It's called GOVERNment. And it's about by-God time someone who understands that took our biggest stage.
Barack Obama has a chance to make history, to make us RIGHT again. This proves he's got the smarts and skills to do it.
I'm excited to be a Democrat again and excited to be an American again.
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Obama/Olbermann '08!
May 16, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, Aubie, them's some mighty inspiring words. I'd like to hear you talking up there at the podium in Denver, come August, 'K?
May 16, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Elegant timing, I think. Yesterday he'd want the whole news cycle to belong to Edwards in order to make sure it sank in the thick heads of the undeclared supers. And it allowed time for not only Obama's supporters but even Hillary herself to condemn the whole "appeasement" thing. Today that story would be fading. Getting this out early-ish on a Friday lets it spin around and gain significance right on time for the Sunday morning talk show circuit.
So which shows is Obama appearing on this Sunday? You can bet party leaders will hit some, too. TPMTV's Sunday roundup should be worth watching (I can't stand actually watching those purported journalists).
May 16, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
O - you just gave me the word I have been looking for to describe this campaign - elegant.
Ha! Thanks!
May 16, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was excellent! Bravo Barack! It was just the right tone. He was strong but reasoned. He didn't come across as the victim. He repeatedly linked McCain to Bush. He may still have some work to do on the notion that he was willing to talk to terrorists. I believe it was in the MSNBC debate that he said he would meet with leaders like Ahmadinejad of Iran, which I think is the source for McCain's accusation that Obama will talk to terrorists. McCain will probably continue that line of attack, so Obama will likely need to deal with it more directly. But Obama gets very high marks for his comments today.
May 16, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I, for one, would love to watch that debate!
May 16, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
A definite home run. Looking forward to voting for (President) Obama in November!
I think the only thing the Dems need to drop from the talking points is the "on foreign soil, in front of a foreign government" line. It doesn't resonate with the American public and smacks of hypocrisy. I mean really, who cares if he said it in Israel, on Air Force 1 or while taking a dump in the outhouse on his ranch? Totally irrelevant to the subject matter and gives an opening for the Rethugs to obfuscate. ("*Snarf snarf* Democrats have gone overseas and said things about our government, too. *snarf snarf*") I think Democrats should drop that portion of the argument.
May 16, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me.
I honestly do think it's terribly inappropriate and I would like them to keep talking about it. I do think Americans respond to that.
Yes I do -
May 16, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, then I hope we are prepared to defend against claims that President Carter and several Democratic members of Congress have done the same thing in the past. If you have your way, this whole issue will become a long, drawn-out pissing contest that will turn-off voters.
Yes it was inappropriate. Don't harp on it. That's not central to the foreign policy issue.
May 16, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with RobbyLove. I think it was appropriate and useful to bring it up briefly. But the point has been made and doesn't have much life beyond that.
The moral side of it isn't clear-cut enough. The patriotism part is tough to go with because Obama runs the risk of suggesting that attacking him is like attacking the country. Beyond that, it starts to look like procedural nitpicking.
After today, I would let that part of it go. Obama himself, at least. The policy differences and the outing of neocon foreign policy as empty and ineffective are what you want people to take away from this finally.
May 16, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
(forgive me for the plagiarism):
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR MCCAIN!!!!!
May 16, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Biden's my top choice for VP. I think he will be gret on the campaign trails, delivering his aptented one-liners like "A noun, a verb and 9/11."
May 16, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Senator MBNA, who gave us Justice Clarence Thomas?
No way in hell.
May 16, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
More than anything else, I am gratified to see he made the point about exactly who it is that is responsible for Hamas being in power in the first place.
You regulars have heard me rant about how that all happened before and have probably long ago grown tired of it.
May 16, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
:)
I think maybe he's been reading your stuff, Jenn.
May 16, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
To translate into a language Bush and McCain can understand "Bring it on"
May 16, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can't wait for the debates when Obama asks McCain why he supported Reagan and his fellow appeasers who negotiated with and gave weapons to our terrorist enemies in Iran.
Maybe McCain can explain why he supported placing Saddam appeasers like Donald Rumsfeld in charge our government after they gave Saddam Hussein biological agents and military assistance --even after Iraq used chemical weapons to kill Iranians?
May 16, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's going on with YouTube? when I click the link all I get is the black screen "This video no longer available message"?
May 16, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hit them and hit them hard. Obama's right, they have A LOT to answer for.
May 16, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
While Neville Chamberlain was treating with Hitler in Munich in 1939 ("Appeasement"), Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker (our president's grandfathers) "...were the financial managers of a well-organized American effort to funnel the investments of right-wing U.S. bankers and industrialists into Germany which funded the rise to power of the Nazi Party and Hitler. During WWII, the banking house of Prescott Bush and George H. Walker profited from companies that used slave labor at the Auschwitz concentration camp. Then, after the war, these forefathers of President George Bush helped launder Nazi loot in the U.S. U.S. intelligence agencies were then complicit in covering their tracks."
Coalition to Oppose the Arms Trade
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/54/54.htm
I wonder how GW's Israeli hosts would have received his speech if this knowledge had been more widely-known?
May 16, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, they have a LOT to answer for. Trashing America, and trashing American power, with their idiotic bluster.
God, it feels good to be having this debate, led by a candidate I actually believe in.
May 16, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, it's so good to see this! I really can't wait for the first debate with McCain. I really love seeing him call them out directly. Call out their lies. And bringing up Reagan was good. Point out that this whole notion of never talking to enemies is an invention of the neoclowns (love that word, thanks to whoever said it first).
May 16, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I credit NorthAuf for "neoclowns." Love it!
Someone else claim it, if it's yours...
May 16, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain channels Bush's adolescent narcissism to demonstrate that you're never too old to be a puerile moron. Keep it up!
May 16, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Friends, New Romans, Countrymen (even neoclowns)...
welcome to The New Age of Reason.
May 16, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's judgement is sound. In fact he needs only to look at what they do and evaluate it. He said as much. Check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwHu-LZKhfU
May 16, 2008 11:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's some outrage - from a historian who became apoplectic at the first time BushCo tried to use appeasement and comparison to Churchill. This is an interview clip from the BBC in August, 2002, eicht months before the war. It is the perfect answer to Bush's Knesset remarks of yesterday:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060812225501/www.er2004.com/HistoFreakout.mp3
May 16, 2008 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can understand how somebody might feel that the the timing was wrong or that "on foreign soil" aspect was overplayed, but I do not agree one bit with either critique.
It was refreshing to hear from Biden, and Nancy Pelosi was withering. Hillary played it nicely too, and we should all be appreciative.
Then Barack Obama hit the ball way out of the park. Fantastic comeback, brilliant and electrifying. For me, it is a disgrace for Bush to be cheapening the office of Presidency by using the Israeli anniversary forum for idiotic domestic niggling. I personally don't think it is a small issue -- the Presidency belongs to us and not him, and he has no business diminishing its dignity. It is another Bush failure, showing incompetence and boorishness embarassing to us all and belittling to our institutions, all so he can get in his petty, incoherent dig. And that is substance, not form.
May 17, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bush goes to Israel on the anniversary of their founding and -- gratuitously -- says that appeasing Hitler was a bad idea. Obama is shocked, shocked that he Obama is being attacked. Outside of the fact Bush has been saying things like this before Obama was elected to the Senate it probably was directed at Obama.
Now in his response Obama lays out only three facts about what Obama himself would do:
1. America should stop threatening the world.
2. Obama will got to Iran and talk tough and make it clear to them that they face a carrot and stick situation -- if Iran drops its nuclear aims they can rejoin the world. (I'm not real clear why Obama thinks they don't already know that.)
3. Obama will take our troops out of Iran -- no mention what considerations will determin how this is done.
May 17, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
From Countdown (MSNBC) last night:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24673603#24673603
And Chris Matthews' on-air bitch-slap of James' -historically ignornant Chamberlain analogy and appeasement claims:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24673883#24673883
(btw, I love Rachel Maddow)
May 17, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
FINALLY a Dem seems to have learned the one Roveian strategy worth knowing: go after their (perceived) strengths. As his speech easily makes clear, they are very vulnerable on nat'l security and foreign policy; only the MSM Master Narrative has kept the lid on as to just how vulnerable. It is deeply refreshing to hear this attack, especially after the appalling frustration of watching Kerry stumble and fumble and mumble his backtracking way into a cul de sac on this stuff last time around. I love the way he just easily dismantled the foundations under the issue they think they own, and skipping no opportunity to super-glue St John and President 28% undetachably together.
Any other Patrick O'Brian fans out there? I'm minded of Jack Aubry's favorite quote from Lord Nelson: "Never mind maneuvers, go straight at em!" More like this please.
May 17, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re the "on foreign soil" thing, I've always found it rather baffling that the wingers go into complete flying monkey spittleslavering apoplexy about this sort of thing. A statement is either accurate or not, whether you're standing in Nevada or Nepal. So in principle, no, the fact that Bush emitted his nincompoopism in front of a foreign audience doesn't especially bother me compared to national embarrassment incurred by the C-student ignorance of the statement itself. But precisely because the wingers have used "on foreign soil!" to work themselves into a lather on so many memorable occasions in the past, I think it was quite shrewd politics to skewer them with it this time around. It's not something they can pretend they don't care about, after all.
May 17, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink