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Obama Is Now Fewer Than Twenty Super-Dels Behind Hillary

Due to some local political machinations in Illinois, Obama is set to pick up three more super-delegates in his home state this weekend.

With the switch of former DNC chair Joe Andrew from Hillary to Obama, he has now crept to within 20 super-dels of Hillary: She's got 267, while he's got 248.

The three he's going to get this weekend will bring him to 251.


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Creeps or is it:

Clinton Losing Ground and Super Delegates to Obama

No more Creeps, good!

No, not really. Clinton has, to date, suffered remarkably few defections. She's not losing ground here; neither is she bleeding a significant number of superdelegates. It's simply that Obama has been adding them at a far greater clip.

The most interesting event of the past 24 hours, I think, has been the Kossack fundraising drive for Kentucky's Rep. Ben Chandler. Since he came under attack for endorsing Obama, they've combined on ActBlue to funnel roughly $20k of donations to him. For a guy who didn't even have an ActBlue page until yesterday, and who's remarkably reliant on PAC money for his campaign funds, gaining more than 600 small-dollar donors is a major boon.

I think there's been a tendency among many in the media to be a little bit shallow in their assessments of superdelegate motivations. Ticket-splitting is a fact of life for Democratic officials in red states; without it, they never would have been in office in the first place. So the key question, for most of these guys, isn't whether Obama or Hillary will draw more support in November in their districts; it's from whence that support will come.

Hillary turns out the base vote of both parties. If you're a blue state Dem, that's fantastic - it's all you need. If you're a red state Dem, that's potentially fatal. Even if every committed Democrat goes to the polls, there aren't enough to outweigh every committed conservative. Besides which, Chandler can turn out the Democratic base without too much assistance in his own district - so Clinton adds relatively little value, and brings a significant cost. Obama, on the other hand, expands the electorate, drawing more young voters, more black voters, and more independents to the polls. These are folks who might not otherwise turn out to vote.

So that changes the demographic equation. Ben Chandler isn't worried that his support for Obama is going to cost him the working class white voters who constitute much of his political base. They may grumble, but in the end, even those who choose McCain over Obama this year but who supported Chandler in the past are likely to vote for him again. So Obama's liabilities are not the same as Chandler's. But the new voters Obama draws to the polls will also cast their ballots for Chandler, thus expanding his base of support. And Obama, even at the height of l'affaire Wright, lacks Hillary's cachet among the conservative base. So even in a state where Hillary runs well ahead of Obama in both the primary and the general, it may well be to the advantage of a local elected official to have Obama at the head of the ticket. Not because he'll ride Obama's coattails in a classic sense, but because their strengths are complimentary.

That's a calculation that's been very much in evidence this cycle. It also explains why we've seen so many fence-sitters in congress. Claire McCaskill has been abundantly clear that most of these have already privately committed to Obama. They have little to gain in their districts from announcing this support prematurely, but will step in under the cover of an Obama win in the cause of party unity. Because when push comes to shove, they have everything to gain from an Obama candidacy, and quite a bit to lose with Hillary topping the ticket.

And that's why Ben Chandler is such an interesting example. If Obama supporters can make it clear that supers actually have something to gain from stepping forward and endorsing now, we may see some more take the plunge. If Chandler becomes a cautionary tale among other red-state supers ("I'm waiting - Chandler endorsed, and he got 300 angry calls") then we won't see much movement until early June, after another month of bloodshed.

What electeds their understand

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Thank you, Fly! This was very helpful!

I still, in the end, see Obama as much the better president. For many, many reasons, not the least of which is he does not come with a "bill." And good to know he helps to foot the "bill" to help elect others!

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What a great comment. Just great -

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Hillary turns out the base vote of both parties. If you're a blue state Dem, that's fantastic - it's all you need. If you're a red state Dem, that's potentially fatal.

I wonder of you could draw a parallel in online supporters from this fact.

I'm a lefty from a Red state. My perception has been that Senator Clinton is a November liability from day one.

I wonder if I'd see it differently if I lived in a Blue State.

I have frequently wondered exactly the same thing. From where I stand in MO Clinton looks like a disaster for the party. Perhaps, however, if I lived elsewhere I would see it differently. That would at least explain how evidently sane people like Kensdad and Dijamo can make the claim (which I find so entirely baffling) that Clinton would be the better candidate in November.

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If Obama supporters can make it clear that supers actually have something to gain from stepping forward and endorsing now, we may see some more take the plunge.

THIS IS THE KEY!
Fly has just shown us the path to victory here.

Show the supers that we will spread that grassroots cash and manpower around if they stand with us now, and they will line up to endorse.

I don't have time this morning for a separate reader blog, but if someone could craft a post and rustle up some donation links to get this rolling...

Thanks son, thats a very well contructed argument...now step 4ward before I change my mind!

"political machinations"....I thought that was Hillary's strong suit?

He now only needs 281 delegates to win the nomination.

Problem is, SDs can change their minds, as I'm sure Hillary will be telling us as she flails about for reasons to continue her campaign after June 3.

Yes, it's all these "political machinations" and "creeping"...I'm not sure this Obama guy can be trusted!

local political machinations
I've got this feeling a lot of people are about to swear at Greg...

I already did at the bottom. WTF indeed.

God damn Greg. Stop shilling.

There's nothing wrong with what he said. There ARE political machines in Illinois, and they're in Obama's favor. Is it so bad to point them out?

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I agree.

I'd go further and say almost every time any super endorses anyone there are political machinations going on.


That being the case there is nothing wrong with greg pointing it out, other than it is kind of a "Duh, of there are" kind of statement.

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Sorry, that was supposed to be, "Duh, of course there are."

Finally the superdelegates are starting to do their job. Hillary is definitely also going to be getting some more. Today Maryland picks it two remaining supers at the State Convention and New York does the same with its remaining 4. Louisiana and South Carolina each pick their 1 remaining super at their state conventions on Sat.

Three out of those four states went to Obama so that sounds like some sweet, sweet Hillmentum.

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Two hundred or so to go . . . To reach a foregone conclusion.

Easy folks... several new delegates will be chosen in NY today. Assume that these will go to Hillary. We shouldn't be surprised to see two sets of homestate delegations announced on the same day to diminish any net gains by the opponent.

Can't shake the feeling that these primaries are going all the way to the end. What a f***ing disaster.

:(

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Can't shake the feeling that these primaries are going all the way to the end. What a f***ing disaster.

yeah, me neither. Good morning to you, too.


*sigh*

Due to some local political machinations in Illinois

WTF ???

Problem is, SDs can change their minds, as I'm sure Hillary will be telling us as she flails about for reasons to continue her campaign after June 3.
Yeah- just ask Joe Andrew! ;)
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eh, Wright exemplifies several key AA attributes:

1. dignitude: an excessive concern with one's own dignity and an aggressive approach to defending it

2. confusion of use of big words with intelligence, throwing out long winded verbiage, hoping people will think you're smart

3. paranoia mixed with utter complete fucking ignorance, leading to crazy apeshit theories about how the world works

4. a tendency towards wild gesticulation, flapping of arms, grunting and shrieking


Reminds me of Mumia. By the way, has he been fried yet? I have a bottle of champagne in the fridge with his name on it : )

(I smacked around this racism before - here is the remix)

"eh, Wright exemplifies several key AA attributes:"

..when a post starts of with that little gem, you just know that the author masturbates to Mein Kampf and endorses cross burnings..

"dignitude: an excessive concern with one's own dignity and an aggressive approach to defending it"

This seems to be a quality of all proud people, regardless the color.

"confusion of use of big words with intelligence, throwing out long winded verbiage, hoping people will think you're smart"

This is just your way of saying that your feeble mind couldn't keep up with Wright, its ok, the public school system can be a bitch.. That being said, even though I disagree with Wright, I'd bet you a thousand dollars and a desperately needed liver that a guy with 3 degrees and who can speak 5 languages is smarter than you. Actually, judging by your incoherent ramblings, that bar is lower than midget limbo contests.

"paranoia mixed with utter complete fucking ignorance, leading to crazy apeshit theories about how the world works"

..this coming from someone who obviously doesn't know how the world works. Because of things like the Tuskegee experiment, and political actions like COINTERPRO - to say that black folks don't need to be paranoid is pretty silly, even though Wright is a fucking lunatic.

Are Mila and Ludmila one and the same? The scary racist rants and violent imagery are telling...

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Milo - you just changed your nym and posted the identical comment on every single comments thread on this site.


What have we been targeted by the Aryan Nation for this election? Is that it?

Goddamn

America

Sorry, I know we shouldn't feed the trolls.

Here's how to swear without feeding the trolls...

1.Puff out ur chest and flash a wild grin (shed a tear if it helps...)
2.Shriek annoyingly in that tin-like shrill voice and say...RODHamn it

My blood pressure is through the damned roof this morning.

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Better put down the gun then...

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Why do superdelegates hate America so much?

So he's 16 behind?!

We should start a pool for when he overtakes her in SDs.

My money is on next Wednesday - the day after he wins NC and IN.

We've been tracking and projecting every week or so here: http://horse-you-rode-in-on.com/2008/04/27/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave/

Right now next Wednesday looks like an excellent bet.

Beautiful. Thanks.

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Yoda, "Walter" - I know, I feel the same way. I hate opening up this page and reading all these fucking useless polls. Why aren't we discussing vote fraud? Cause it was Hillary's people who were involved?

Here's what keeps me going when it looks the worst: Obama has had everything - the sink, the toaster, the Cuisinart, the Sub-Z, the Viking range, the blender, the microwave - all thrown at him.

And he's still standing. Not only that, he's not lost much ground.

The whole world can see that.

It is really strange that the only place this discussion occured was on muckraker. Somehow it seems to me that the NC phone calls warrant some mention on EC as well.

Hillary's argument about Obama's electability is really sinking in.

I know it is trademarked, but, with a tip of the cap to IDIOTIC:

HILLMENTUM!

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oh brother, this Humanity Critic really exemplifies some key AA attributes

1. fake toughness - use of words like "smack"

2. hysteria - long ago incidents involving AAs to justify dumb and ignorant ranting. Hey, AAs are not the only people on the planet to have suffered at the hands of others. Get over it, Tuskegee involved what, a few hundred guys about a million years ago?

3. Belief that degrees equal intelligence. I'm a tenth-grade drop-out, but I don't need a diploma to demonstrate or make use of my intellectual brilliance. I had AA classmates in b-skool with Ivy degrees,and they were still dumb ignoramuses. Maybe not as dumb as you dumb bunnies, but not too fucking smart considering their tony educations. To them it was just another entitlement, another status symbol, like a bottle of Christal

"oh brother, this Humanity Critic really exemplifies some key AA attributes"

..of brother, more generalizations and hints of racism when one can't seem to muster the active brain cells of a retarded stroke victim to produce a legitimate retort.

"1. fake toughness - use of words like "smack"

I would say that jumping to the conclusion that I inserted violence on your part is fake toughness - that's pretty much par for the course, internet tough guys with sticky computer monitors talking shit. Only online does someone muster up the testicles needed to generalize african americans without pissing himself. You have to love the internet, a proverbial safe haven for gutlessness...

"Get over it, Tuskegee involved what, a few hundred guys about a million years ago?"

..that was supposed to be the part where you debunked me, but you didn't - typical Hillary supporter, continue to look like a drooling lunatic even though the facts fail to be on your side.

"3. Belief that degrees equal intelligence. I'm a tenth-grade drop-out"

..no shit, we all could see that.

"..but I don't need a diploma to demonstrate or make use of my intellectual brilliance."

"Brilliance"? You make Larry the cable guy come across like a Rhodes scholar.

"To them it was just another entitlement, another status symbol, like a bottle of Christal"

*Yawn* You have not only shown us that you are a product of inbreeding, but also that you are an eternal coward - who would have guessed it?

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Mila, I thought that was an ivy league law school where you knew all those intellectually deficient dark people and fat chicks people who couldn't keep up with your brilliance.

Really, if you're going to troll like this, you have to keep your story straight. Otherwise, you should just step away from the computer and go do the laundry like your mother told you to. And while you're at it, throw out all the empty Cheetos bags.

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Greg - Eric - please ban this Aryan Nation spamming obnoxious racist horrible troll, please?

Please?

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We've been getting a lot of racist bullshit on this site of late. It is really annoying.

I don't know what ban policies TPM has, but they need to be enforced. This is not and never should be a meeting place for inbred, uneducated, toothless, racists.

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And this one does nothing but spam - this identical comment is on every thread in this house.

Every one.

How do you solve a problem like Ludmila?

I would be as tickled as you are, but I am not sure what it would accomplish. After all, if one of its screen names is suppressed, another emerges the same day. I am afraid that Ludmila is a lot like George W Bush - no matter how crazy he drives you, there is nothing to be done about him but wait until January when he will leave of his own accord.

Whoops, in case that was not clear, I meant that I would be as tickled as Tena if the offender were banned.

I've suggested that TPM filter comments for moderation by filtering known mila-isms like "skool", "champagne" and "AA". That is, any comment containing those words goes into a moderation queue for review before it is posted. It wouldn't catch everything, but it might at least slow Mila/Milo/Milla/Ludmila (etc.) down a bit.

Try emailing TPM directly - include links to the offending post and/or the profile page for the troll. I don't think the staff regularly monitor the comments here, but they have been known to respond to emails about inappropriate comments fairly quickly in the past.

"Due to some local political machinations in Illinois?" How is that not spin?

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How is that not spin?


Smile.

FOTW, that's a great mini-wrap-up of the SD mentality.

I like how the other 3 are like an afterthought for you, Greg.

THREE Supers don't warrant their own post huh? When was the las time THREE supers together like this announced as a group?

looking at the UAD calender at DCW it seems there are 10 UADs that have not declared who they will vote for. But they were selected because they would vote for who those who selected them would vote for. So the "local political machinations" (including NY) have added 10 Supers, mostly for Clinton, and she seems to be saving their declarations for later.

I can't figure out if these are the three "unpledged" add-ons that Illinois gets or if these are three of the twenty pledged PLEOs (Party Leaders and Elected Officials) which are alloted proportionally to the candidates based on the primary results.

If the later, it's no news at all, just names to go with slots that Obama had won back in February.

If the former (unpledged add-ons), well, they are chosen by a committee that will be controlled by Obama supporters, and the only question is whether IL is going to go the usual winner-takes all for the three add-ons or (unlikely) go the proportional route, like CA, and give one to Hillary. Technically those add-ons are unpledged, but they aren't going to go to someone whose preference is in any way in question.

Either way, no news, really, and absolutely no local machinations (sorry Greg!), just filling names into slots, although some delegate counter sites might be updated if they haven't already counted these slots as going to Obama.

Just to make clear the three names in the article Greg linked to announcing this are *not* names that are in the list of superdelegates from Illinois.

They are being selected to fill slots that are reserved for Obama supporters already, either officially or in practice.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

For those with the cash to spare, you can help make the case to the supers that it is worth their endorsing Obama. I just sent a small contribution to Ben Chandler through ActBlue

http://www.actblue.com/page/bluemajority

I also called his DC office and thanked him for his endorsement, even though I live in MD.

NPR has Joe Andrews switching from Hillary to Barack -- is that in these totals?

If the Politico tally is correct, the difference is now 11 (eleven -- as in, "this one goes up to . . .").

Politico, which assemblies their own tally from press accounts and reference to various other tallies, had the difference at 16 as of COB yesterday -- before today's net +5 for Obama.

http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/

Oops, I mean nine -- the Politico split was 14 going into today.

Today, with Obama back on track from a horrible week, my thoughts are turning to party unity in November.

As a logical premise, the nomination is his. Since Obama has netted six delegates since Pennsylvania ( 9-3-- offsetting 60% of the 10 Clinton netted in Pennsylvania according to final figures), he is only four delegates down in the worst week suffered through by any primary candidate this year.

Everyday Obama picks up more super-delegates and even in the most dire scenario Tuesday (two losses) he picks up delegates or achieves a wash. Reports from insiders indicate the super-delegates have made up their minds but are holding their powder until Clinton has a chance to play out her string.

So today's question is which candidate is contributing to the party unity we all agree is necessary to beat McCain.

In this respect, Obama must be given enormous credit for resisting the use of his deep arsenal of opposition research on Clinton, even though it would put her away more quickly. He knows that raising ethical scandals, embarrassing associations, questionable actions during the Clinton administration, general dishonesty, and other divisive ammunition-- would simply give him a short term benefit but a long term headache in November. It would also hurt his chance at governing through his collaborative style that he has been touting for 15 months.

Clinton has already blown her chance to be given credit for a restrained campaign. However, she will face a challenge in the next few weeks which, if she meets it, will earn her similar credit. If she fails the test, she is through as a national candidate regardless of the outcome in November. As Howard Dean said, the key to unity is the grace with which the second place finisher accepts defeat and rallies with the nominee.

If Clinton "takes it to the convention" as she has threatened to do, the contrast between these candidates will be stark, and she will bear the responsibility of the Democrats' defeat should it occur. If she allows the process to reach closure in June, she will have redeemed herself.


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