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Obama Campaign Winning Today's Spin War With McCain Over Iraq?

The Obama and McCain campaigns are battling it out today over whether a McCain comment about Iraq troop levels was a gaffe that betrayed his lack of knowledge of the facts on the ground -- and the early media coverage suggests that the Obama team is winning this spin war.

The comment in question was made by McCain yesterday to reporters. He said: "I can look you in the eye and tell you it's succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul and now Sadr City are quiet."

Pre-surge troop levels? Not so much, countered the Obama campaign, which pointed out that troop levels are at 155,000 right now, well above the 130,000 pre-surge mark.

The McCain campaign is battling aggressively to limit media pickup of McCain's mistake, telling reporters that they shouldn't be nit-picking about what was merely a "verb tense" mistake. But judging by the first round of coverage in The Washington Post, the Obama team is getting the story told its way...

McCain Asserts Return to Pre-Surge Iraq Troop Levels

Sen. John McCain has attacked Sen. Barack Obama for not traveling to Iraq to see the "facts on the ground." But a recent statement by McCain about troop levels has his opponents raising questions about his own knowledge.

That's exactly the coverage the McCain camp doesn't want, and that the Obama camp does want. Will the rest of the coverage follow suit? It seems like flubbing a fact about troop levels is a bit of a gaffe for someone who regularly attack his opponent's experience and fitness to be commander in chief.


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Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

It's fun to watch, it is.

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McCain has now admitted it was "inappropriate" to use Petraeus in the campaign ad!

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/30/mccain-admits-it-was-inappropriate-to-fundraise-using-petraeus-picture/

McCain's people saying that focusing on tense is "nitpicking." Pretty soon they will be saying that "it depends on what the meaning of 'was' was."

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On another board the same idea was expressed with the sentence. "I am not having sex with that woman."

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Even more than flubbing a fact, it shows that like Bush, McCain is trying to put the best possible spin on the war which plays directly into Obama's hand since the American people are now very skeptical of this type of talk.

Looks like someone didn't take their Geritol yesterday....

I believe you mean Aricept.

As he told CNN's Kiran Chetry, in August of 2007, "I was the greatest critic of the initial four years, three-and-a half years."

    http://www.truthout.org/article/mccain-misspeaks
    How would American troops be greeted?: "I believe that the Iraqi people will greet us as liberators." (March 20, 2003)

    Did Saddam Hussein have a nuclear program that posed an imminent threat to the United States?: "Saddam Hussein is on a crash course to construct a nuclear weapon." (October 10, 2002)

    Will a war with Iraq be long or short?: "This conflict is going to be relatively short." (March 23, 2003)

    How is the war going?: "I would argue that the next three to six months will be critical." (September 10, 2003)

    How is it going (almost two months later, from the war's "greatest critic")? "I think the initial phases of [the war] were so spectacularly successful that it took us all by surprise." (October 31, 2003)

    Is this war really necessary?: "Only the most deluded of us could doubt the necessity of this war." (August 30, 2004)

    How is it going? (Recurring question for the war's "greatest critic"): "We will probably see significant progress in the next six months to a year." (December 4, 2005)

    Will the President's "surge" of troops into Baghdad and surrounding areas that the senator had been calling for finally make the difference?: "We can know fairly well [whether the surge is working] in a few months." (February 4, 2007)


    This is such a nice highlight reel JohnMcCSF. Very nice indeed. Why is this thing even close. It's really a pity that facts play such a marginal role in selecting the person that has to deal with them later as president.

    Thanks for putting this together. I recall him being a shameless supporter of the war for several years, to the point that I was rather shocked at his contention that he was a big war critic. I really hope someone puts the video of these McCain statements together in a youtube video or a campaign commercial!

    Once -- if? -- Clinton drops out, Obama will be able to use his financial advantage to start running a host of ads to define the old man.

    This is a wonderful post. I hope MoveOn or the DNC follows up and publicizes it. (BTW are you the same John McCutcheon who had a different slant on things 3 or 4 years ago? In any case, I really liked this and hope it is used again and again).

    It is so obvious that McCain's brag about his superior understanding of the Iraq situation is all brag and no facts. For his many trips to Iraq, he does not even know the number of troops, nor Shia/Sunni facts. Even his illegal use of General Petreaous still does not make him an expert. Amazing that McCain was complicit in the General doing something that the Commander-in-Chief had explicitly forbidden. And McCain's encouraging a visit between Barack and General Petreaous is Strange since Barack questioned the General in the Senate hearing in which the General appeared. The military should be apolitical. Wonder what of that McCain does not get.

    Tell me that you didn't really just use the phrase "the facts on the ground"?!?!?!

    Next thing, TPM-EC updates will all start with "My friends."

    More hate from the Trinity radical church:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

    Pathetic.

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    Pathetic.

    Indeed you are.

    This McCain Moment is pathetic.

    gotalife.

    lip me.

    Ignore the ravings of this lunatic, who can't even stay on topic. Nor can he say anything to support the troops or against the nightmare that would be a McCain presidency.

    Do not feed the trolls!

    Joseph.

    Thanks. New on TPM. Appreciate the heads up.

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    Oh, well, if you're new, here are some trolls to look out for (while simultaneously ignoring them--can you multitask?)

    Gotalife. Fogu2. RegisteredUser. BKindaHouse. Ummm, am I missing any really spectactularly trollish trolls, everyone?

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    RaeK [key: black sheep]. rstephen [key: monkey, and not the polite, rational Cornelius/Zira "Planet of the Apes" type].

    *shudder*

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    Good idea to describe the avatars...

    I completely repressed raek's name.

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    I'd add votenic but he/she/it seems to get banned on a daily basis. More of a spammer than a troll though.

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    More trollesque posters: indiex, and the grandiose 'HillaryClinton08'.

    explain to me how that is hate? put yourselves in their shoes and maybe you'll understand. you don't have to agree, just empathize...

    ...and i thought the reason hillary cried logic was funny..

    Don't fee the trolls. This thread is about Iraq. Take it elsewhere....

    whats does this have to do with iraq and mcain? oh wait, it doesnt. i think you can go back to your d and d blog now. your mom's friend lost. we have moved on. now its your turn

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    You mean the Catholic church.. no?

    getalife, who are you trying to kid?

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    What Obama's team did is the kind of rapid response that Bush's team killed Kerry with. When Kerry used the word "sensitive" regarding the War on Terror, they blasted him for days using the phrase "sensitive," it was brutal.

    McCain made a gaffe and Obama pounced. So much for those who thought he wouldn't be tough.

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    Great. Now let's see it get any coverage beyond the blogosphere and Olbermann....

    The fact that there is any possible spin war over Iraq tells you just how stupid the electorate is. How could there be any support for this war? Who could support it? How could McCain possibly poll anywhere near Obama? But he does. And Bush won the election four years ago by about 3 million votes. So even if Obama wins today's "spin war", we're still in a lot of trouble.

    McCain is polling close to Obama because Obama (and the Democratic Party behind him) cannot pivot and engage McCain with Hillary Clinton still in the race. we can't begin to eat away at the public perception of McCain left over from 2000 and the glowing media accounts of his straight-talkingness with another Democratic candidate tying up the presumptive nominee's campaign's resources, time, and media attention with meaningless and self-serving bullshit.

    Obama been making efforts to engage McCain, but Hillary's gaffes and squabbling has taken a huge amount of attention off of the policy differences he's been outlining. we NEED to start in on John McCain and turn November into a Democratic landslide victory, but we're been distracted and prevented from consolidating the party because of nothing more than one candidate's ego and sense of entitlement.

    Then you need to get to work to put Obama over the top in the fall.

    McMath; Verb tenses=numbers.

    Oh, McCain: The senile old man that keeps on giving.

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    McSame's senior moment # 1,743 of this election cycle is actually going to be covered by the press? Really?

    If the press actually covers stuff like this Obama could well win all 50 states.

    Let's call them McCain Moments.

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    How about "My Friend Moments?"

    My friend, that works for me. Thank you.

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    I have to go back on this, FAUX nudes calls them "Senior Moments" so we should to. After all, they are fair and balanced.

    Brit Hume tries to dismiss McCainโ€™s misstatements on the Iran/al Qaeda connections as a โ€œsenior momentโ€ for McCain.

    I think itโ€™s probably just a blip, but it was a bigger blip than he wanted or needed at the time. I think the overall impression of the trip was this is a man welcomed by, knowledgeable of and comfortable with foreign leaders across a big part of the globe. But the mistake, nonetheless, raises questions not about his knowledgabilityโ€”we all kinda believe he has thatโ€”the question, perhaps, about his age, which is an issue. You know, the feeling was not that heโ€™s a dope, didnโ€™t know his way around, that he might have had a senior moment there, and I think thatโ€™s unfortunate for him. But I think probably the trip was a net plus.

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/23/foxnews-sunday-brit-hume-dismisses-mccains-iranal-qaeda-confusion-as-a-senior-moment/

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    Sunni, Shia, Iraq, Iran, pre-surge, post-surge...What's the diff?

    My friends, you're making far too much of this.

    And I never said I didn't know anything about the economy!

    What's this new fangled thing called Youtube, by the way?

    I have to go shake my fist at a cloud. Bye.

    Signed,

    St. John Straight Talkin' Maverick McSame.

    You forget to say "Thank you."

    And "GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!"

    St. John Straight Talkin' Mavericky McSame.

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    Oh yes. I forgot the maverickiness that is the mavericky John McSame...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU


    That's what is happening to Mavericky McSame in real time. Every time he hits Obama, thinking "oh, I finally landed one," he opens up the same tube of worms... HA!

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    OW OW OW OW OW OW OW OW OW!!!

    I can't get that song out of my head. Or the visual images.

    cricket, how could you do that??

    So sorry, sweet cat! Next time I'll alert.

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    And he's riding on the Straight Jacket Express.

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    Don't forget to put on your yellow onion belt.

    Will it protect from cold blooded soul eaters?

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    Nope, it was just the fashion in those days.

    ;-)

    I'm glad Obama is hitting him on this, I love when arrogant bastards like McCain get called on being total hypocrites.

    I've heard dozens of screw ups on basic facts about Iraq coming from McCain, and not a single one from Obama...so tell me again, who needs to spend more time there...?

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    There's another gaffe in McCain's statement.

    He said, "I can tell you that it is succeeding. I can look you in the eye and tell you it's succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul and now Sadr city"

    Yesterday, there were 2 suicide bombings in Mosul and another near Mosul. 30 dead. Dozens injured.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/29/mccain-declares-mosul-qui_n_104208.html

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    He's totally clueless.

    I hope Obama picks up on that, too.

    Good catch in deed. Clearly informed people are more on top of things than our media is.

    Screwing up Shia and Sunni, not knowing the difference between them. He doesn't realize we have more troops now than we did pre-surge. He doesn't understand Iran's role in affairs with Iraq. Pretty damning.

    Obama on the other hand understands all these things.

    Who understands are situation in Iraq better? Obama clearly does.

    We don't need 4 more years of people dodging the truth and spinning this war for political purposes. We need solutions. In order to come to a solution you have to know the facts.

    McCain doesn't have the facts or in the very least can't retain them. Thus, he can't give us a well-thought out solution for our Iraq debacle.

    Of course, he doesn't want to. He wants the military in the middle east for as long as it takes. And when we don't need to be there any longer- we'll still stay.

    Our troops deserve someone who knows the facts and wants a solution. Our troops deserve to come home. They deserve to see their families. They deserve a break. They have served heroically in Iraq, doing far more than they signed on to.

    They deserve a college education at our expense. McCain didn't even bother to show up to vote on the GI Bill that would all them that fair compensation for their hard work.

    They deserve better. We all do.

    Obama for President! McCain needs to take off the rose colored glasses and see the reality of what our troops, our family members, our American family is sacrificing by being in Iraq. They have completed their mission. Allow the Iraqi government to take over. Let our troops and our families come home.

    GI Bill that would allow them the fair compensation they deserve. Typo, sorry.

    I agree with everything you've said. My only doubt, and it is a very small one, is how will Obama be able to curb Iran's power, now that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Kristol fucked up the existing power containment in the Middle East.

    That's a real issue, for us and that region. I also trust Obama to deal with it with a lot more sensitivity than Mavericky McSame. I just don't want to minimize McSame's ability to fearmonger on that issue, here or there.

    Greg:

    Thanks for highlighting some more general election stuff. Much appreciated. And very informative.

    The early skirmishing between the Obama and McCain camps hase been very instructive, AND very encouraging. Obama and his team seem to be ready and willing to engage quickly and appropriately each day in quick response to McCain's camp. I like that. A lot.

    ---aaron

    MY

    FRIENDS...

    THIS

    IS

    GOOD NEWS!!!

    So sorry to have messed that up! I was aiming for further upthread at goatalife.

    IS EXCELLENT!!!!

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    NEWS!!!!!! FOR!!!!!

    McCAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    THANK

    YOU!!

    YOU

    THIS

    dammit I f#$ked it up.

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    IS?

    EXCELLENT

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    Hey Greg, why the question mark on the headline? Is it just such a shocking thought that Obama is gaining ground on McCain on this issue?

    Obama's the anti-war candidate in a country where the vast majority are sick of war. He's finally getting a chance to focus attention on the endless-war candidate. So, yeah, of course he's landing some blows and winning the spin. He's a damned good politician with truth on his side. Why is that so hard to acknowledge?

    ....and I would've gotten away with 100 more years of an Iraq war if wasn't for those darn kids and that mangy Obama campaign!

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    My friends, I'm beginning to feel as though if I read the word "gaffe" one more time...

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    OT - Check this out:

    Conyers: McClellan revelations may require hearing

    House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.) said today that he plans to begin discussions with former White House press secretary Scott McClellan regarding his participation in a congressional hearing.

    "I find Mr. McClellan's revelations about attempts to cover up the Valerie Plame leak extremely troubling. Particularly disturbing is McClellan's assertion that he was specifically directed by Andy Card to 'vouch' for Scooter Libby after the investigation had begun, which, if true, could amount to obstruction of justice beyond that for which Mr. Libby has already been convicted,โ€ said Conyers.

    "I believe this issue may require closer examination, so I have instructed my counsels to begin discussions with Mr. McClellan to determine whether a hearing is necessary and to secure his possible cooperation.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0508/Conyers_McClellan_revelations_may_require_hearing_.html

    Please allow me to hijack off of your hijack. This post is promoting a "google bomb" for McCain. I think it's a worthy cause. Sorry for the hijack.

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    What could they do, tie him up and lock him away somewhere?

    She didn't say but I'm sure Gitmo is involved somehow.

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    Boy, do I love how quickly m'man Big O responds. I can hardly wait for the general election. People just have no idea yet: this is going to be an Obama landslide.

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    The way things are going so far - it sure is.

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    Personally, I cannot WAIT for the GE debates to begin. Obama is going to crush McCain. "My friends," we will see what McCain's anger truly looks like on national TV once the debates begin.

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    This is exactly the conversation Dems want to get going with McCain, one that shows he's got his facts wrong, or he's forgotten the facts. This is allegedly McCain's strong suit. HA!

    Senior moment (read: dementia due to Alzheimers)? Ignorance (spending so much time jawboning reporters he can't keep up on current events)? Stupidery (5 from bottom of his West Point class)? What's the difference -- bottom line is, he often doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
    If GW wasn't around to make him look like a towering intellect, he'd be a laughingstock.

    Obama should be wary, though.

    It might be stategeric stupidery.

    Back when McCain was doing the Charleston with Fatty Arbuckle, verb tenses only cost a nickel. Nowadays, though, you have to be an elitist like Obama to afford them.

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    You mean it back in those days verb-tense cost a "bee".

    Now we've linked McCain to Fatty Arbuckle!

    This should have LEGS!!

    The real news about McCains ever-thickening mental fog isn't that it happened but that he was caught out -- not by the submissive press corpse but by the Obama staff.

    Ironic after all the crap under the bridge about a useless and compliant press, the bullshit still only gets challenged by his opponent. McCains staff has the guts to finger the press, telling them not to nit-pick? Lets call this what it is...flat-out intimidation.

    McCain is saying that this is a simple gaff with tense:

    "We have drawn down to pre-surge levels."

    He used the present tense. So, he meant to use future tense?

    That would be: "We will have drawn down to pre-surge levels (by a future date)."

    Or maybe he wanted: "We will draw down to pre-surge levels."

    Or: "We are drawing down to pre-surge levels."

    Any way you edit it, it's an extremely sloppy slip up. If it's one word that got flubbed, that could be understood. But he needed to screw up two or more words in the sentence ("have drawn" instead of "are drawing") to screw it up. Was it some ungrammatical dialect he slipped into, one where only the present tense is used?

    And then consider the sentence in context. He was entirely speaking of the present. "I can look you in the eye and tell you it's succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul and now Sadr City are quiet."

    So, it's more likely that he either didn't know what level the troops were at, or was just horribly confused.

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    Come on. We are talking about a fellow who was the third from the bottom of his graduating class at Annapolis. We are talking about a many who is almost 72 years old - believe me I know what that means, since I am also almost 72. And, we are talking about a man who had so little self respect that he accepted the gross insults handed to him by Bush back in 2000, and then began to be one of Bush's main supporters in the Senate. Of course he is stupid.

    Now, who is willing to say that American voters don't love a stupid man for president? I thought that was settled back in 2000, and re-settled in 2004.

    An excellent and depressing point.

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    3rd from the bottom? That explains alot. Oh great, we have another mental lightweight running for president. Why does this keep happening.

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    My friends, I think it is incumbent upon me to point out that the words "on the ground" to in fact appear in that post.

    LOL!

    And "gaffe"

    pretty soon those are going to be fightin' words. LOL!

    To judge by some earlier comments in threads below this one.


    I'm sorry - I'm dyin laughing here over the entire situation.


    A debate between these two will certainly be fun to watch.

    Shows how useful it is to have actually been there.

    Maybe, just maybe, one of these days the media will realize that the guy is no maverick -- he's just clueless.

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    I honestly think that's coming.

    Ask yourself, America:

    Do you really want this doddering old crank to have his finger on The Button?

    NO.


    Not on ANY button...

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    Not on ANY button...

    Oh, come on, play nice. Don't deprive Grampy of his Giant TV Remote with the 2" buttons. You know he loves it so.

    The last democratic campaign that counter-punched effectively (even brilliantly) against the GOP was the Clinton-Gore ticket in '92. While still early, Obama's camp appears to have them beat in terms of speed, and caliber of response. There are different reasons for that, I'm sure. But I'd guess the primary reason is the fact Obama himself thinks more quickly on his feet than did even Bill during his campaign against Bush #1. Democratic partisans who may yet feel the candidate they saw during the primaries was lacking in his capacity and/or willingness to go for the throat will be pleasantly surprised at the tenor and ease with which he will eviscerate McCain in the coming months. He's not running against his fellow democrats anymore.

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    And, ummm, I really hate to say it, but the clintons have had him under fire for more than 6 months. God I really hate to say it, but talk about good training. Ugh, I really didn't want to say this.

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    I've been saying it for 3 months. Clinton's kitchen sink strategy was Obama's boot camp. All part of the master plan.

    Verb tense? THAT'S the best defense they could come up with?!

    There needs to be a political ad from Obama using McCain's Sunni Shiite mix up moment, with a voice telling you the truth, and then his mix up about troop levels, with another voice telling you the facts, and finally asking how this candidate can be seen as the "authority" on the war. You could even throw in some of his "greeted as liberators" and "we are winning" comments. Make him look as stupid and out of touch as he is. The bonus will be that he gets really angry in response.

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    Timing is everything. It's too early. Pepper him with jabs, soften him up, let him make more mistakes, find his weaknesses. Then, right after the Republican convention pummel the sh!# out of McCain, robbing him of the traditional convention-bump.

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    But judging by the first round of coverage in The Washington Post, the Obama team is getting the story told its way...

    Maybe that would be because McCain's spin doesn't make any f***ing sense. "I can look you in the eye and tell you it's succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul and now Sadr City are quiet." What other tense would work in that sentence? He's obviously talking about what he thinks has happened. He just got his facts wrong, it's that simple. There just isn't any other explanation.

    wouldn't this be a wonderful opportunity for Hillary to join in and bash McCain. truly amazing to me that she finds the sidelines so appealing. for a fighter, where's the fight?

    Pardon me while I laugh maniacally at the thought of Hillary going after the REPUBLICAN in this race.

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    She's looking for her voice again.

    It seems like flubbing a fact about troop levels is a bit of a gaffe for someone who regularly attack his opponent's experience and fitness to be commander in chief.

    That's nothing compared to calling your great-uncle your uncle, or mixing up the name of a Nazi slave labor camp with a Nazi death camp!

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    Now that's a silly comment.

    Looks like the McCain camp is channeling Lurita Doan. He must have been using the subjunctive form of the verb.

    I'll cut McCain some slack. He probably didn't take his Geritol this morning and he needed to lay down for a nap.

    No gaffe... McCain LIED and what's interesting to me is that he appears to be stuck in decades past where media wasn't as ubiquitous and pervasive as it is today.

    He thinks he can just talk/shout a reporter down but the replays make him loomk 100X worse.

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    Back up for a second. Take a common sense look at McCain.
    This is an old man from a multi generational military war command family. He gets his facts muddled. He loves to say we're winning. He loves command. He loves war. He has no goal for leaving Iraq.
    Leaving Iraq is the goal Mr. McCain. Reducing the sounds of battle and reducing the adrenalin rush to old warriors is America's goal.
    You can ignore or muddle the facts in your drum and fife vision Commander McCain but winning in Iraq is to leave.
    Leaving is only surrender if fighting is your blood call intruding on common sense inteligence.
    Thanks for your years of service; your ability to lead clearly has passed.

    McCain lacks the mental capacity
    To be POTU.

    How many mental gaffes does one candidate get during a election year before he/she is considered unqualified. One has to really question based on the number of misstatemnts this year whether McCain has the mental capacity to do the job.

    Had Obama, Clinton or any other candidate made the number of gaffes McCain has on foriegn policy alone all of us would be screaming about their lack of experience. Yet McCain, who has staked his whole campaign on the basis of his foriegn policy knowledge makes mistake after mistake and he's given a pass by the msm.

    If McCain can't keep his facts straight on one issue which is foriegn policy [His supposed strength] how's he going to deal with our demestic problems, to include immegration, taxes, gas prices and home foreclosers?

    The POTUS should be able to comprehend and deal with several issue's...NOT JUST WAR, NOT JUST IRAQ! What will it take for republicans to realize that this guy is dangerous to our country...wake up!

    Finger on the button? I doubt this guy could button his shirt.

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