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Obama Campaign Moving Joe Andrew All Over Indiana Today

The Obama campaign is working very hard today to maximize the impact of the big surprise endorsement they received today from former DNC chair Joe Andrew -- he's hitting no less than three Indiana media markets today.

Andrew, who is from Indiana himself, did a presser this morning in Indianapolis, and Obama aides tell me that he's doing in-person TV interviews this afternoon in both Evansville and Louisville. He'll be campaigning in the state for Obama tomorrow.

It's unclear what sort of impact Andrew can have here -- he briefly ran for governor in 2003 and is now a D.C. corporate lawyer. But the Andrew endorsement is no small thing, since it potentially demonstrates that the spate of bad news that's buffeted Obama of late hasn't stopped some establishment Dems from seeing him as the better nominee.


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since it potentially demonstrates that the spate of bad news that's buffeted Obama of late

My, what passes for news nowadays. Cronkite spins in his grave.

News Flash!!! Bright Obama person: Walter Leland Cronkite, Jr. is ALIVE!

Then he's all the more disgusted.

Maybe you could ask him instead of reading a dead (actually alive) man's mind.

I'm much too busy enjoying how you lick the egg off my face.

My apologies folks for the pettiness.

Whether or not Cronkite is alive, the Wright story is just not exemplar journalism.

You're right, of course. Obama now trails her by just 16 superdelegates, 247-263. This week, he picked up 11 superdelegates, including three add-on delegates named by the Illinois Democratic Party, while she netted three. This during an effective news blackout on anything about him except the Wright "scandal."

Those delegates were for Obama from the beginning, and were already known to support Obama, by Obama's campaign. Axlerod has them each set to announce their backing of Obama at stratigic times as needed. Get excited all you want. That's what the Obama campaign needs. They want to generate enthusiasm in bad times.

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and the Obama campaign is hoping that the "prominent local-boy-turned-Clinton-confidante switches to Obama" narrative will be enough to get some traction.I take it you talked to them - another unattributed tip?

Greg, anonymous sources are what has gotten a lot of reporters into trouble. I'm not disputing this or arguing with you but honest to god, I hate this shit in the MSM. I really hate it in alternative media.

I wish if you were going to tell us shit from inside campaigns, you'd tell us who told you. There's nothing wrong with this statement, I just don't trust anonymous background. If you didn't hear it from someone, ok. Please tell us that's your take on it - I don't mind your having an opinion. I'd just like to know what came from where.

Ok I'm done bitching. I'm out - and I'm sure you're happy to hear that.

I have an appointment - I'm not gone forever. ;)

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Did you hear that? I think I just heard Joe Carville's head explode.

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No that wasn't his head exploding.

Excuse me.
Damn burritos.

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Taco shits, yes I know.

Are you having one of these days?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0WcE3zgXoM

Good thing there's a gas tax holiday in the works.

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fooooookin tags!!!!!!!!!!!

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You're so cute when you're angry!

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We knew what you meant. :)

Big deal...simple response:

Why did Obama stay in Rev. Wright's church after he know about his comments. Why did he un-invite Reverend Wright to his "POTUS announcement" the day of the announcement? Why did he not condemn Wright when the story broke (as I suggested) and instead waited weeks and possibly fatally injured his campaign and of course his faux unity/hope/change message?

Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr
Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr
Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr

Praise the Lord!

They want to lose.

Let the Troll Fest continue!

yes, all very simple responses to gas, mortgages, trade, war, environment, ethics, infrastructure, and energy.

We can get to all that after we're done with Reverend Wright but that might not be until after the convention.

You can keep talking, but the superdelegates aren't listening.

Ha ha!

There it is!

All Clinton and McCain supporters are able to say any more is Rev. Wright!

how sad!

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Because Reverend Wright, for all his faults, is a brilliant man. And certainly a million, billion times more intelligent than you. As is Obama.

"Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr
Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr
Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr"

..you have to love the desperation..lol

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Do you hear that click click click sound?

That's the Jeremiah Wright gun, all out of ammunition. You've fired all your bullets, and none of them drew blood. And now you've got nothing left.

Only the beginning... await a major piece by National Review on the Chruch and Black Liberation Theology. More to come. Also, committed delegates can change their minds so one you have today, may not be an Obama (or Clinton) delegate tomorrow. Lose both NC and IN and Obama is toast.

because anyone who is ANYONE reads the National Review. Ha! Your Right-Wing is showing!

Lots of people (outside KOS, TPM and ObamaPost) actually look at alternative viewpoints if noting else but to know what the opposition thinks. Sad people here are afraid to at least listen to other points of view.

Even a look at CY 1968 politics, riots, assassinations of MLK/RFK, and Chicago convention (not a very good year) will see history appears to likely repeat itself this year. The DEMS split McCain (Nixon 1968) wins.

I am all for the alternative viewpoint, trust me. But you trotted out the National Review like it was going to really heat up the conversation on Rev. Wright. Do you think anyone will bat an eye if the National Review does a piece on Rev. Wright and Black Liberation Theology? I'm sure I will be able to find it between the articles on Obama's "secret" Muslim faith and a glowing review of Jonah Goldberg's new book, "I'm a Pompous Ass, and you're a Liberal Fag".

I love Rich Lowry as much as the next guy, but he's no William F. Buckley.

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Plus, Obama might walk out of the house with his pants off. Or Hillary could get the endorsements of Al Gore, Jimmy Carter and John Edwards all on the same day.

There are any number of possibilities. And all of them are about as real as those bullets Hillary dodged in Bosnia.

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They actually managed to get a reenactment of Hillary's brave bullet dodging trick made.

I think the casting is a tad lacking, and the acting is not so good, but this is what "actually happened."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whzeP46gboU

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No, no, you have it all wrong. Hillary was telling the truth about the Bosnia trip.

Here's the video to prove it.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1808560

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I've seen that... but you can't just post this online! It is a state secret!

"Also, committed delegates can change their minds so one you have today.."

Grasping for straws, I love it. Please, keep entertaining us.

Now we'll just use the gun stock to beat him over the head with it.

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that's really all you got? (rhetorical question -- of course that's all you got)

and if hillary somehow wins the nomination, you'll talk up her "experience" in washington and her "strength" in standing up to saddam and threatening iran, and her "principled stand" on pandering on the gas tax. that oughta work.

Why did he not condemn Wright when the story broke (as I suggested)

Perhaps he isn't in the habit of listening to people with ice cream for brains. (Unlike Clinton, who still listens to Mark Penn.)

Because Rev. Wright isn't the worst person in the world, and because Obama rightly cut him a break for the sake of his church, especially since the man was retiring?

John McCain Presidency
John McCain Presidency
John McCain Presidency
John McCain Presidency
John McCain Presidency ...

That's what concerns me.

Conehead's post from Feb 15:

Tony Rezko Tony Rezko Tony Rezko

Here is the link at KOS that has the letter Joe Andrew sent to the other uncommitted SD
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/obama_campaign_moving_joe_andr.php#comments

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An amazingly courageous man. WOW! Really, anyone who has not read the letter in full, must do so. Breathtaking stuff.

It's unclear what sort of impact Andrew can have here

But aren't you quite the tealeaves reader when it comes to Clinton news. Why can't you prognosticate for Obama with equal insight?

If Obama were Clinton, Greg would have said, This goes a long way to showing that Obama has the momentum among super-delegates and this race is all but over.

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Heh. Yeah, no shit.

Greg. Another reason this is a big deal is that Joe Andrew was the former DNC Chair before Terry came on board. He was installed by Bill Clinton.

This loser lost the majority and is trying to do it again.

You talking about the Clintons now?

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GREAT point goatboy!

This loser along with that loser President Bill Clinton lost the Democratic majority in COngress. If it wasn't for losers like them, Democrats would have controlled Congress for, like, a billion years.

I hereby renounce and deject this superdelegate and the President he served.

Hillary + math = victory!

Maybe this helps change the media narrative. More unhinged Team Hillary comments (like with Richardson) would be perfect.

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I suspect the Clintons won't say a word unless the press starts making a big deal about it. Andrew was pretty smart to put his preemptive defense in the letter. That will only provoke Bill to red-faced, finger-pointing rage.

I can't believe the incompetence of the BO campaign. No one cares about endorsements (see, e.g., Ted Kennedy in MA). The "strategy" is to trot out this odd duck? You must be kidding.

BO should not be arguing politics, or electibility, or hiding behind M Obama on the Today show.

He should be picking one (any) substantive issue (i.e., 47 deaths this past month in Iraq) and show how, as President, he would have had the judgment to avoid the war and will, if elected, bring the troops home with honor. He should saturate the media with one message, be relentless, change the subject, and energize his surrogates to stay on message. Respond to every question about Wright, Ayers and bitterness with his solution in Iraq.

HRC is a professional. While BO is consumed with damage control, she is pushing for a gas tax holiday -- meat and potatoes, not politics. Brilliant.

Who is Joe Andrew and who cares?

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Richmond says,
"HRC is a professional...... she is pushing for a gas tax holiday -- meat and potatoes"

Er, HRC's gas tax holiday is the very opposite of meat and potatoes, Richmond. The McCain/Clinton 'gas tax holiday' is equivalent to substituting a piece of candy for a meal.

"Meat and potatoes, not politics"

You mean the shameless pandering gas tax holiday isn't "politics"?

Come on. Seriously.


He's +2 superdelegates for Obama.

"HRC is a professional."

Professional what? Panderer? The gas-tax holiday is ALL politics, and no policy. It will never pass, and even her campaign economic chairman at the NY Times (Professor Krugman) knows it is a bogus policy that will save the average driver a half a tank of gas this summer. He has had to hide his painful bias and admit to as such.

Just because you don't know who Joe Andrew is, doesn't mean that the super-delegates don't. It is called political cover.

Meat and potatoes? More like bread and circuses.

"Who is Joe Andrew and who cares?"

..from your lips to other desperate Hillary supporters' ears.

A gas tax holiday... with a Tiajuana-sized hangover afterwards!

No thanks!

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The *supers* care.

It's a giant game of Chicken. The brave ones that declare give cover to those who come out later.

And the timing is perfect -- just as Clinton keeps ramming the Wright issue to declare Obama unelectable, the supers just keep coming out of the woodwork to refute the argument, in the only way that ultimately matters (ie creeping toward 2025).

If Clinton were so much more electable now, why does Obama keep winning the super sweepstakes every day?

Obama hurt by furor over ex pastor: polls

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080501/pl_nm/usa_politics_poll_dc;_ylt=AjG.oU9bfe1zW.YBFjoJtnAXr7sF

Lets run him anyway and lose.

You get what you vote for.

You get mcwar.

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here's a poll (NBC/WSJ)

43 percent of registered voters say they have major concerns that McCain is too closely aligned with the current administration.

By comparison:

* 36 percent have major concerns that Clinton seems to change her position on some issues (like driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants and the North American Free Trade Agreement, which her husband signed but which she now opposes)
* 34 percent say they’re bothered by Obama’s “bitter” remarks
* 32 percent have a major problem with the Illinois senator’s past associations with Wright and the 1960s radical William Ayers

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Ooh, good point. You've convinced me. Hillary '08.

Not.

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As a Clinton supporter, Joe Andrews hurts, and while I don't think he's going to move more than a couple of votes in Indiana, I won't deny the painful sting that one feels when you lose a high-level functionary like Mr. Andrew. Hurts really bad indeed; I kind of feel like he stabbed my candidate in the back. Tough one indeed.

But it does remind us all that superdelegates are free to switch back and forth and back again. That's one of the things that the mathemeticians in the MSM and even right here consistently forget, namely that supers are far more fluid than pledged delegates, and they can change their minds about supporting either candidate. This is a principal reason why Indiana and North Carolina remain relevant and at center stage, and it's why math belongs in the classroom and not in a political campaign like the one we have here.

Stay tuned for Tuesday and then we'll survey the lay of the land again. But that Joe Andrew really hurt us bad today indeed.

You raise a good point about the fluidity of the Supers. Since they remain fluid, and hold Hillary's only chance at the nomination, it has to worry you that Obama continues to pick up their support, even in the midst of the "crisis" over Rev. Wright, who I thought was supposed to be the albatross of his candidacy.

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Free to move back and forth......I agree. And, the SD count seems to be all moving in Obama's direction, doesn't it?

Hillary's done herself some real harm with the SDs by working so hard and harming the party in her desperate adoption of Republican tactics to tear at her opponent.

DonnaG, I think you and I may be political siblings.

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Yes I understand the math argument and that right now the supers are moving in Senator Obama's direction. As I wrote, however, Indiana and North Carolina can and very well may alter the direction that the supers are moving. Indeed, there's a string of elections coming up that might cause the superdelegate herd to shift. So I think I make a fair point, and certainly one that is subject to test. As I have also written, however, if Obama sweeps both states on Tuesday, then I think the race is over (IMO).

P.S. This is a response to dorn who makes the same basic point that Donna does. No disrespect intended dorn.

Thank you for raising the level of the discourse.

Seconded.

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Thirded, Bruce rocks!

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Buy a bee a drink and you own her for life.

It's so ironic that Hillary Clinton is slowly but surely becoming the grassroots candidate against the hierarchically backed Obama! What will be telling for him is the shift in the African American vote due to black women backing Clinton in North Carolina which -- it looks now like -- he won't even win. If Clinton does nail it, there may be a lot of sour grapes to get rid of.

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Black women in NC? Would that be with the help of those phony confusing and anonymous robocalls from the Clinton-aligned insider group WVWV in DC?

Three digit millionaire.
Former first lady.
Popular ex president campaigning for her.
DNC establishment behind her.
Party hack superdelegates voting for her.
Media piling on her opponent.
(A black man).

And Hillary is the grassroots candidate. You're daft.

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Two words: early voting.

So you know, Mr. Andrew ends his letter to the superdelegates with gooey lines from a speech he repeated again and again during the (failed) 2000 election, including:

"The difference between the Republican Party and the Democratic Party is that you are always welcome in the Democratic Party. Because Democrats don’t care if you are black or white or brown or a nice shade of green, you are welcome in the Democratic Party."

The difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is that they WIN and we LOSE.

Mr. Andrew is a wimp just like his "new" candidate. Peace-hope-love doesn't win elections and doesn't make our country stronger. Yes, Democrats should embrace everyone but the DNC leaders must insure the right candidate gets nominated so that our Democratic platform can succeed. Democrat-Wimpy vs. Democrat-Strong, liberal vs. moderate. Look to the past; it's easy to see where we've gone wrong. We need a candidate who can succeed. We need power so we can make the changes we all want to see happen.

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We need a candidate who is so unpopular that she doesn't even need to run. That way, we can just skip the election, install McCain and be done with it. Is that what you're saying?

Vnd is a troll from Ben Smith. One of the reasons I don't go there often.

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Northwestern University just disinvited Reverend Wright from speaking at their commencement ceremony.

Cuz he's a dick.

They did that last week, Wright mentioned this in a Chruch speech on Sunday. Stay with FOX you get all the news.

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OK, that cuts it, you are a troll.

You and gotalife brag about how you get your news from Fox News. Democrats don't do that. This is a Democratic site, you are a troll.

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Reply to this posted at end of thread--forgot to tick the box.

Not to worry, he still has a book coming out.

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Darn: I'll be there for my daughter's graduation. Shucks.

Your daughter is graduating from Northwestern? Congratulations! You must be very proud. :-)

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Thanks Greg! I am very proud of her (her honor's thesis draft is due today so I'm afraid to call her lol). You'd be happy to know that she is an ardent Obama supporter, as is her sister, my second-oldest daughter, who is a junior at Northwestern. And, with all that money we have sent there, can you believe that they wait-listed my son for next-year's class??
Bruce

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Ah, something in common. My youngest son is a Northwestern graduate/civil engineering.

it looks like we're seeing the next wave of the clinton camp's "what's most important in this election" starting to swell.

first it was the pledged delegates that count,

then it was the popular vote

then it was only primaries

then it was letting the superdels have their say

now its going to be "well the superdels can change their mind..."

how long before they run out of parameters?

Hillary's campaign has only one parameter for victory anymore...

Demonizing Reverend Wright.

Unfortunately for them, Rev. Wright is not up for election this year, eh?!

The Superdelegate / Leadership Vacuum that is plaguing the Democratic Party.
Although I welcome all belated superdelegate support for Obama and find the news of Joe Andrew's shifting his support for Obama to be very positive, the last few months have nearly eviscerated my resolve for Leaders in the Democratic Party. I am wearing-down. I am tired of trying to calm the nerves of others, and my own, to reinvigorate their faith in the Democratic Party. I am tired of telling them that our leaders know what they are doing and being proven wrong later.

I am also tired of "Waiting for their Indecision," which is more like a John Stewart skit than anything else.

This all reaffirms their incompetent role as the opposition party to the Bush administration these past seven years. In the end, they stood for nothing and rallied no concerted effort to stop; the war in Iraq, the illegal wiretapping, the use of torture, or any of the many other Moral Hazards of our day.

The Democrats are looking more like the Complicit Party.

I think the Jebreport has said it best.

"Superdelegates to blame for enabling destructive campaign"

"For most of this campaign, the Democratic Party has been unified by optimism that our eventual nominee would trounce the Republican candidate in November, 2008. That began to change towards the end of February, when the contest between Senators Clinton and Obama began to turn sharply negative."
"It's important to remember the state of the campaign in late February. At that point, 70% of the pledged delegates had been chosen. Barack Obama had 1,210 pledged delegates and Clinton had 1,044, a lead of 166. It was clear that Obama's pledged delegate lead was insurmountable.

Now, after two months of nastiness on the campaign trail, voters have selected another another 573 pledged delegates, 20% of the total. With just 10% remaining, the pledged delegate margin is virtually identical heading into May as it was in late February: Obama leads by 161. (He has has 1,494 and Clinton has 1,333.)"


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This all reaffirms their incompetent role as the opposition party to the Bush administration these past seven years. In the end, they stood for nothing and rallied no concerted effort to stop; the war in Iraq, the illegal wiretapping, the use of torture, or any of the many other Moral Hazards of our day.

Nailed it. Their behavior, now, just reinforces my view that they have been, by standing by, wringing their hands, and failing to take a stand, just as responsible as the Republicans for the craptacular state of our country.

I also decided, after much thought, that if the Wright issue derails Obama's nomination, and Clinton is the nominee, that I simply will not condone, by voting for her, the Democrats failure to lead.

Obama is facing Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, John McCain, Rev. Wright, and cable news, all aligned in opposition. And still some people natter on about how he's not strong enough.

I am ashamed of the Democratic Party at this point.

"Obama on the gas tax gets fact checked by the AP. Obama voted three times for a tax holiday in 2000, joking "that he wanted signs on gas pumps telling motorists that he was responsible for lowering prices." But Obama does convince Andrews that his new stance deserves his super delegate vote in Indiana."

Flip flop.

Obama has specifically stated that he learned it was a bad idea after seeing it fail in Illinois.

The term "flip-flop" implies that being resolute and hard-headed is more valuable than being circumspect and flexible.

Yeah... why reverse yourself on something you *KNOW* doesn't work, when you can embrace *both* sides of the issue, like Hillary does?!

She doesn't just flipflop... she vibrates!

I guess the posters in this room are correct.

BO should ignore substantive issues. Rather, he should play basketball, glumly do Wright-related damage control, and trot out odd duck endorsements, like Andrew -- a DC lawyer desperate for 15 minutes.

Does anyone think this guy has anything close to the stature necessary to change the narrative or change the trend lines?

With this crowd, I can guess the answer.

Who's ignoring the issues. Obama has addressed the question of the gas tax and gas prices more broadly. Have you not seen the latest ad? Just because he is not proposing the same (nonsense) proposal as Clinton does not mean that he is ignoring the issue.

You mean the crowd that represents more pledged delegates?

Hey, no one expects this to "change the narrative." I think we're all pretty content with the fact that this works on the margin. Folks, we need perspective here.

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Speaking of ignoring issues have you had your morning shot of Crown Royal like Hillary has?

You mean the trend line that has him picking up superdelegates at about a 3:1 ratio on Hillary? I really don't see any reason he would want to change that. Or are you talking about the steady rise in Hillary's own already sky-high negatives?

"spate of bad news"?!

Um... except, of course, for all the good news that has happened in the past few days.

Obama's complete denunciation of Wright, and the numerous superdelegate endorsements coming on board have done a great job of reversing the trend... we just aren't seeing that in the polls quite yet.

On a practical level, he has less than 300 delegates to go, and, it is now clear, will have as big of a lead before North Carolina and Indiana as he did before Pennsylvania.

As the dust settles, it's becoming clear that Hillary's meager chances become more and more remote. All a vote for her does at this point is prolong the inevitable.

And as for fundraising, Obama is looking good this morning, with 1,476,896 people donating to the campaign, which should cement a strong end-of-the-month push.

Only 23K left to go on Obama's goal of 1.5 million contributors by the 6th. It's a great time to donate for the first time, or make a matching donation!

Yes we can!

The full letter is well worth reading, if you haven't seen it yet. I don't see it linked anywhere on TPM, so here's a Salon link:

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/feature/2008/05/01/andrew_obama/index.html

Insightful article from The Hill pointing out that Obama's biggest problem right now may really be that his frustrations are snuffing out his own fire-in-the-belly.

I've noticed this myself - if he were 'fired up and ready to go' right now he would be hitting stronger on the economic message, etc.

Since this campaign has become such a slog, I can imagine a dip in his inner fire is part of the problem.

But for Obama to win now, and again against McCain, he must want this badly enough for people to know it. He must accept that style often trumps substance. He doesn’t have to be a fighter like Clinton, or a breathless, jump-from-your-chair populist like John Edwards, and he doesn’t have to be an angry black man. Obama is capable of his own passion and purpose and he needs to remember where he left them. If he doesn’t begin hurling fusillades of economic details at these blue-collar white voters, with I-am-bursting-with-excitement-about-helping-your-economic-outlook enthusiasm, they will never give him the time.

http://thehill.com/a.b.-stoddard/forget-bitter--try-bored-2008-04-30.html


He looked decidely glum and dejected on the Today show this morning.

At the same time, even as she gains momentum, Hillary is chunky and steady and dull. She will never inspire. She's a bureaucrat.

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After he walks across Lake Superior, heals the sick and raises the dead, will you be satisfied?

If he's not this, he's that - and it's never good.

*sigh*


"Magnequench" Hillary has been exposed once again for lying her pantsuited arse off about who approved of the sale of that Indiana Business to China.

Bill Clinton was the one that signed off on the deal, and Hillary has been trying to pin the blame on Bush.
Hillary has told bald faced lies to the working class people of Indiana.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/v-print/story/35337.html

Posted on Wed, Apr. 30, 2008
Clinton blasts Bush for not stopping a project Bill OK'd
Steven Thomma | McClatchy Newspapers

More Obama damage control. Trying to rephrase his "bitter" and "cling" remarks Obama said, "I should have said angry and frustrated instead of bitter. I should have said people rely on their religious faith during these times of trouble instead of cling to."

So if we substitute the new words into what Obama originally said in San Francisco, here's what we get:

"And it's not surprising then they get angry and frustrated, they rely on guns or their religious faith or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations during these times of trouble."

It still doesn't work, does it? It still doesn't make Obama look good. To listen to Obama it sounded like all he did was use two wrong phrases. But when you recall what he actually said, it was a much bigger gaff than that. And very revealing.

You can tell people are scared shitless when they try to resurrect controversies and ignore issues that affect real americans.

"and very revealing..."

...almost as revealing as when the Clintons said that they would make the healthcare debate open to consumer advocates and the American people, and then promptly had Hillary rule over closed-door meetings with the big healthcare companies and lobbyists.

Hillary Clinton doesn't need to say she's an elitist. Her political record does that just fine.

I mean, all of the Clinton's household servants at the Arkansas governor's mansion were black... except for Chelsea's nanny, Mrs. Sanders.

A 1981 audit showed that Chelsea's nanny was employed at the governors' mansion from the time of Chelsea's birth to the time the Clintons left office. The State of Arkansas does not pay for nannies, so Bill and Hillary had Dessie Sanders listed on the payroll as a security guard, making the people of Arkansas pay for their private nanny!

Arkansas state prisoners did the yardwork on the governor's mansion, but according to Julia Hughes Jones, the Arkansas State Auditor, that's not all they did.

She says that Mrs. Clinton sent the convicts over to her parents' house to do their yard work too!

So, *who's* an elitist?!

Racist Alert. Otto the Aryan Nation Troll(ANT) has logged on from their compound sewer system.

Is Andrew a lobbyist? His firm seems to do a fair amount of it.

http://www.sonnenschein.com/docs/docs_plps/lobbying_all.pdf

But BO would never associate with a K Street type -- too old politics.

Andrew endorsed him despite Obama's camp making no move to solicit it. Little premature to be accusing him of some grand scheme.

You're joking right? I read that BO was using his spare time to personally contact SD's -- you would have to be pretty naive to think that the BO campaign has not been in steady and regular contact with every SD (pledged or not). Just as WJC reached out to SDs (like Richardson) on multiple occasions.

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what's he supposed to do? refuse a super's support? christ you're thick.

*LOTS* of superdelegates are either lobbyists or former lobbyists.

Why? Do you think *ALL* of the lobbyist delegates should support Clinton?!

(Don't worry... most probably do.)

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Bye, bye BILLARY Clinton!

Gallup today Clinton 47% Obama 46% (same as yesterday). However, watch the video, Obama problems...

http://www.gallup.com/

Six-Day Statistical Tie
May 1, 2008

"But the Andrew endorsement is no small thing, since it potentially demonstrates that the spate of bad news that's buffeted Obama of late hasn't stopped some establishment Dems from seeing him as the better nominee."

I think that is what it was intended to do. I do believe the timing of this was carefully orchestrated. But as you say, it is no small thing.

i was born in indiana and live in illinois. i went to school in both and work in both. one thing for certain is that 5 minutes into indiana from chicago and the culture is completely different. it's like night and day. actually this has always amazed me how cities so close would be so different. i found i had a hard time working in indiana which is just 15 minutes from my home as it was so often backwards on race as well as slow culturally and from a fashion sense. i will be very interested to see how this state votes. i have read that they assume gary, hammond, merrilville and the valpo area will favour obama because it receives chicago news. i am not so sure. what is important to note is that this is a very strong religious belt, very conservative and a bit racist. although high crime rate gary is a BIG church area. martinsville indiana is a town you had to drive through to get to Indiana university. if you are a minority you knew never to stop there for any reason and make sure you had enough gas to get through it. as i said i live just 15 minutes from indiana and you could be called the N word if you stalled at an indiana stop light too long. that has never happened to me in my life while driving in illinois and it happens frequently in the indiana border town area to illinois. that's just the way it is. this is the area that their licencse plates are "in god we trust" and from just casual talking were extremely offended by the bitter comments OBAMA made. in gary, these folks are not that into politics. in churches all across gary they are torn between both candidates and love both barack and hilliary. they fell they have two great candidates. my family are memebers of the largest congregations in gary, hammond and merrilville...such as "embassy of christ". since the bush fiasco they make a concerted effort to keep their members now OUT of the daily issues of politics.

i guess we will have to wait and see how this all plays out but it sure will be interesting to see how specific areas of the state vote.

I haven't heard of this guy. Joe Andrew is not Bill Clinton. What a joke?

Democratic Party Nomination is not going to be determined by pledged delegates or popular votes or super-delegates.

It is the narrative stupid !!!

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The nomination will in fact be decided by delegate count, including both pledged and supers. It's delusional to suggest otherwise.

Two very interesting things were said by Joe Andrew today.

He said that the Clinton team will sick its "attack dogs" on him. "The same words will come out of the [Clinton campaign's] surrogates' mouths to attack me that the Republicans used — and that demonstrates the very hypocrisy of the old politics." Note the use of the future tense. "will come out" So before the Clintons even say anything, Joe is attacking their "hypocrisy" for saying it.

And then this: "Don't settle for the tried and true and simplistic slogans, but listen to your heart and dare to be inspired," he wrote. Excuse me, but aren't "Listen to your heart" and "Dare to be inspired" tried and true and simplistic slogans? Sorry, but that made me laugh out loud.

He is literally praying for the "attack dogs" -- which will extend his 15 mins of fame.

HRC will not take the bait, and Carville should take a vacation.

HRC should say, when asked about the defection:
"I wish Mr. Andrew well, and will gladly accept his support when he changes his mind again."

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I realize that you are trying to scold trollishness, BUT

nisleib:

This is a Democratic site

Josh Marshall, owner of this site, April 22, on "Acceptable Commenting":

All political viewpoints are welcome

nisleib:

how you get your news from Fox News. Democrats don't do that.

Well, then they all missed both of their candidates recently appearing for interviews on that network. And I truly believe that both candidates have people watching and studying what FoxNews is saying and doing constantly. I would expect that political junkies of all political persuasions might be doing the same. Echo chambers just don't cut it in the game of winning political races.


"All political viewpoints are welcome" - but that's not the problem. The problem is posters who just slag Obama over and over and over and over, in the same words, over and over and over, no matter what the context is, no matter what other posters say. There's no argument; no reasoning; no spirit of cooperation, and no honest self-identification (e.g., as Repukes - no, they claim to be saving the Democratic Party).

Every now and then I read a thread where gotalife - somebody who worked the same bully con at Daily Kos until enough people got bored with it - does not show up. And neither do any of the other usual suspects.

And something wonderful happens. After a few comments, the discussion and the personal relating begin to relax and open up. And this WAS what was attractive about these threads, precisely as opposed to Kos threads - which are screwed up for a different reason.

But, when the same old trolls are present, the loyal commenters, for some reason that escapes me, spend way too much energy trying to invoke some kind of +30 humor spells, and banish dembillc or Rae K or whoever by making them look extremely foolish...or stupid.

In one sense, this is not hard. But on an everyday basis, you can't win. Gotalife doesn't have to think. He just converts the lie of the day into a sound bite. "All political viewpoints are welcome" - that was a particularly lazy way for Josh to put it. How about unreasoning racist hatred for Obama? Gotalife still mentions Rezko in about every third slanderous post. Well, those of us with brains know that Obama faced down an entire panel of Chicago journalists with regard to Rezko, and every single one of them pronounced themselves satisfied. So, "Rezko" as some sort of putative quicksand into which Obama is sinking NEVER EXISTED.

But try to tell a troll that.

I've tried to make fun of them, to get people to ignore them, to get them banned. I don't think the site admins understand that their effect is as saddening as it is.

Andrews will have a negative impact on true progressives. He was traveling the country, lobbying the States to buy Diebold electronic machines. Those machines have glitches and produce no paper trails of the votes cast on them. Most progressives were/are against Diebold. It appears to me, that Andrews is only attempting to repair his political career and gain back favoritism with the progressive movement. I don't think he really cares which person gets the Demo nomination. He is only interested in using Obama to better himself.

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