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Obama Says No To Baghdad Stroll With McCain
Barack Obama has decided that he has no interest in joining John McCain on his next "Baghdad Stroll."
McCain, in an interview yesterday, suggested that Obama take a trip to Iraq, and even agreed to a joint trip for the two candidates.
I asked the Obama camp for a response, and here it is, from Obama spokesperson Bill Burton:
"John McCain's proposal is nothing more than a political stunt, and we don't need any more 'Mission Accomplished' banners or walks through Baghdad markets to know that Iraq's leaders have not made the political progress that was the stated purpose of the surge. The American people don't want any more false promises of progress, they deserve a real debate about a war that has overstretched our military, and cost us thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars without making us safer."
Obama hasn't visited since 2006, and McCain had tendered his invitation by saying, with characteristic civility: "He really has no experience or knowledge or judgment about the issue of Iraq and he has wanted to surrender for a long time."
Not the best way to persuade someone that you'd make a fun travel companion, obviously.
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Should've been "walks through Baghdad markets with military escort while wearing a flak vest" but the response works.
May 27, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those walks through Baghdad markets are beginning to look sillier than Dukakis on that tank.
May 27, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well bang goes Hilary's last remaining hope for winning the nomination: if Obama had accepted McCain's invitation of taking a Baghdad stroll.
May 27, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. Though, Dukakis at least had more sense than to suggest his opponent also ride on a tank, which is more than one can say for McCain.
Apparently McCain doesn't realize what a joke his Baghdad trip is already and how it's almost as ridiculous as Hillary's Bosnia trip under "sniper fire."
It's amazing McCain is running on these lame stunts and even lamer straw men. Didn't he see what happened to Hillary when she tried it? For all his age and experience, he looks amateurish.
Now we see why McCain lost to W in 2000 and is desperately trying to imitate him now, even being advised by Karl Rove. McCain just isn't Presidential material.
May 27, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly, like McCain's trips to Iraq have really been anything like the experiences our troops on the ground have to go through on a daily basis....
get real!
You should have supported the troops by voting for the GI Bill, Senator McCain!
If you truly think it's a bad idea you should have voted against it.
Instead, you played old politics and decided not to vote at all.... weak. Very weak.
I don't want a weak leader who plays old politics and doesn't support the troops in ways that are truly tangible to be the new President of the United States.
The U.S. deserves better than John McCain.
Vote Obama 2008!
May 27, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. McCain, what makes you think Obama needs to pay a visit to Iraq to make any decision regarding war and peace, and life and death? Don't you know this man was born with superb judgement? Just look at his associations with Wright and Rezko. Bush may be making decisions on his hunches. Obama's hunches are just so much tastier and superior.
May 27, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wright and Rezko? Is that the best you got?!
Man, this is going to be a fucking landslide.
May 27, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
More to come.
May 27, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Wright that same pastor that Clinton invited to the White House by the CLinton's so Bill could be forgiven for his Monica "sins"...?
May 27, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. The same one that assisted with an operation on LBJ, too.
May 27, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
He sounds like some 'merica hater then.
May 27, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, that's the same one... the one that she WOULD NEVER associate with.
May 27, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't be a moron, at least not all the time. What has Wright or Rezko have to do withy Iraq? Why not also pull McCain and Hillary associations out of your ass?
Bush and McCain have staged stunts to keep us in the dark for 6 years now? Ever watch PBS coverage of Iraq?
If you think McCain has a case, argue on merits. Idiots like you have helped to divert the attention from Iraq for six years. When argument is about issues, why act like a dumbass.
I do think Obama should visit Iraq between now and Nov, once he settles this nomination hostage crisis. But not for the TV cameras, but to meet the troops.
May 27, 2008 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear ya barking Big DoG!! You hit the nail on the head!
May 27, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Be sure to let me know when it arrives.
May 27, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure they'll phone it in.
May 27, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
and whom do YOU associate with....?
May 27, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hunches that are tasty?
I've got to say, Aimee, that you've outdone yourself with that phrasing....I really like it.
May 27, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
"characteristic civility"--snark alert!
I'd like someone to tally up the expenses incurred by having high profile politicians like John (Stroll in a Baghdad Park) McCain tangle up security and military forces for a photo-op.
Then I'd like the Obama campaign to slam McCain and every other pandering panderfest of a politician who has gone over to Iraq to score cheap political points with just how much this actually costs our military.
May 27, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now *that* would be impressive.
May 27, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. Maybe even compare it to the $$$ it cost the taxpayer for Bush to do his top secret fly-in-and-out-under-cover-of-night-to-look-into-Maliki's-soul trips.
Then slap those dollar figures in an ad. Lather, rinse, repeat.
May 27, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to see that too, CT voter. It actually might fit into a commercial, like a parody of those MasterCard commercials.
The amount of money needed to fly politicians like John McCain into Iraq:
The number of troops needed to protect politicians like John McCain while on their politicial visits:
The judgment to know it was a bad idea to go into Iraq in the first place and the strength to bring our troops home: Priceless.
There are some things politicians can't fix. For everything else, there's Barack Obama.
May 27, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Neato! All we need are some silhouettes and some classical music...
May 27, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mozart Symphony No. 40, 1st Movement
May 27, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a great idea! Hope someone from the Obama campaign reads blogs.
Do you think they know about the internets, btw?
May 27, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hopefully one of the series of tubes that Ted Stevens spoke of reaches Obama's team.
May 27, 2008 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Paging JedReport!
May 27, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Add onto that monetary price tally a count of how many people died as a result of these grip and grin GOBIs (GOBI = General Officer Bright Idea.)
Remember, the same market McCain and the other cronies strolled through was attacked only days later.
May 27, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is a neocon:
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/05/27/fukuyama/index.html?source=rss
Geez.
May 27, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
haha! I love you, man.
May 27, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Puh-leaze. I think Fukuyama explained himself pretty well. He wasn't picking Obama because he was a neocon. Quite the opposite....
May 27, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
But that would require reading comprehension...rational thought...you know...INTELLIGENCE.
May 27, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You shit quicker than we can flush.
May 27, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL.
May 27, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
You mean Obama voted for the IWR?
Oh wait.. he didn't
May 27, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
no, no, gotalife. Fukuyama is the neocon.
May 27, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are on a roll today!
roflmao!
May 27, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't he precious?
He must really have his knickers in a twist what with all this darn "inevitability" hanging around.
May 27, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fukuyama rejected neoconservatism and compared it to Leninism in 2006, moron. Personally, if I were you, I'd be embarrassed by these aggressive displays of idiocy, but I guess being a paranoid delusional rots away any sense of shame you might have once had.
May 28, 2008 12:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yeah, isn't this great!
It's so reassuring to see someone who's taken a hard look at the errors they made in the past and work on changing themselves.
Wait a second, that wasn't your point...
May 28, 2008 3:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
'Mission Accomplished' banners or walks through Baghdad markets.
Eviscerating.
May 27, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
OT: I saw a replay of the Mission Accomplished bullshit recently. I had forgotten that Bush came in on a fucking jet in a pilot's suit! Unbelievable.
May 27, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
With "George W. Bush - Commander in Chief" on the jets canopy rails to boot.
May 27, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know it would be a bad idea, but, on the night of Nov. 4, I'd so like to see Obama hang a banner that reads, "Now this is a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!"
May 27, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama will remind everybody. Heh, heh, heh.
May 27, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
You forgot the huge codpiece that made the press stop and slobber collectively for about 3 days.
May 27, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I must have blocked it from my memory, haha.
May 27, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, then you must really have an impressive ability to repress memories.
You don't recall all the drooling over how "manly" Bush looked? Really? The really embarassing crap about what he looked like in the flight suit?
Lucky you. Just thinking about it is like listening to fingernails scraping along a blackboard.
May 27, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is really charging back at McCAin today. I love it.
May 27, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought the earlier statement about the nukes would be today's treat. It ended up being just a starter.
May 27, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is showing his true colors - slimy and sarcastic and willing to sink to any depth (yes, I know those aren't colors). He is a pusillanimous piece of work!
May 27, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain: Aw Crap, Obama has refused to meet me in Iraq for a stroll through my lovely Potemkin Village.
May 27, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
More towel-snapping by McCain. That's all he's got. It really is BushCo III.
May 27, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Meanwhile: Hillary Clinton makes sure that she has crossed The Welshing Weasel Threshold:
http://chronicle.com/blogs/election/2150/indiana-u-left-with-a-big-bill-for-clinton-rallies
May 27, 2008
Indiana U. Left With a Big Bill for Clinton Rallies
Like a poor college student who dines and dashes without paying the check, the presidential campaign of U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton left Indiana University with bills totaling $55,000, reports The Associated Press. The tab is for costs related to visits by Mrs. Clinton as well as her husband Bill, the former president, and daughter Chelsea leading up to the Hoosier State’s May 6 primary, which the senator from New York narrowly won. Ms. Clinton’s campaign has racked up more than $19-million in debts, according to the AP, including $10-million the senator has lent her own war chest.
U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, Mrs. Clinton’s opponent for the Democratic nomination, also appeared at an IU rally before the primary and his campaign sponsored a concert featuring musicians Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds. Mr. Obama, however, already has ponied up the more than $108,000 it owed the university for those events, the AP points out.
May 27, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly how many square feet of Iraq has McCain visited?
During his visits how many troops were deployed to protect him?
Where was McCain when Petraeus was in Washington for his confirmation hearing to find out about both Iraq and Afghanistan?
How much money did he raise during that hearing, which he didn't attend?
May 27, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Obama should go to Iraq on the government and taxpayers dime, and be be escorted by the military through the safest parts of Baghdad. That way he can find out what Iraq is reeeally like. Uh huh.
Time to take off the rose colored glasses McCain. Maybe you'd realize that all of Iraq isn't like the market you walked through.
Rather it's the Iraq that costs American families their sons and daughters. Sons and daughters we honored yesterday. A son, like yourself.
You know better. We deserve better.
May 27, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
No one knows more about Iraq than Johm McCain.
May 27, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
ABSOLUTELY!
He just DOES NOT know the difference between Al Qaeda, Sunnis, and Shiites!
He know a bunch! No one knows more... PATHETIC! And he's a ranking member ON THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE who DID NOT VOTE for the GI BILL. Fuckin' PATHETIC!
May 27, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ooo baby! He managed to bring up the market place stroll in answering that.
I loves him.
Yeah, that day that McLame took a stroll in the Baghdad market place - and it was so safe! Because they were covered by (I forget the numbers now exactly) maybe 6 Apache helicopters, airforce cover, a whole platoon of armed soldiers, and he was wearing kevlar.
May 27, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe that's McCain's plan - build up the troop levels to the point where every Iraqi citizen has a ground troop and Apache helicopter escort. Give them flak vests, too (assuming our troops have finally gotten them by now).
May 27, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The surge is working!"
May 27, 2008 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
my understanding is that it's not good for the troops when mccain visits. Also he got alot of flack for waering a vest when it was so damm safe and successfull, this hear surge.
May 27, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suspect it isn't great for the troops when anyone like that visits.
It's extra bullshit to deal with - and lots of it. And for what? McLame did it for a photo-op. That's really showing respect to our overburdened military.
But I always said: Republicans love our military; they love it to death.
May 27, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, Obama is too much a wimp to visit Iraq? If he wasn't and if he was more experienced, he'd have had the guts to say, Yes, lets go, lets map out a visit together to visit x, y, and z. Obama could have used the opportunity to engage McCain on his strong turf--foreign policy and military experience where Obama has absolutely none--but instead he's wimped out.
May 27, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing says "I'm not a wimp" like walking around the Green zone with body armor, black hawk helicopters, and and entire military troop serving as your bodyguard.
That's the kind of bravado Matthew Weaver and I want in a President.
May 27, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Registered User?
May 27, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's what you got out of it?
You're more politically naive than I first thought.
Yikes!
May 27, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Grow up.
May 27, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read Greg's actual TPM post, Slick. Obama has visited Iraq before.
Better trolls, please!
May 27, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually he shit-hammered McCain on the nuke-on-proliferation issue, if you could be bothered to pay attention to actual ISSUES instead of falling for the mindless 'who has the bigger penis' game of GOP grab-ass you love to roll with.
May 27, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
green haid is back to do battle on behalf of McCain...
May 27, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's right - Obama is a wimp! John McCain is the only one who has the he-man manly man man stuff take it to the enemy! And by 'take it to the enemy' I mean 'go stroll around a Baghdad market in kevlar with a platoon and a bunch of helicopters for cover.'
Oh, Obama supporters. Can't you see? Your candidate just doesn't have the manly stuff that men who are real mean are made of. Men like John McCain, who is a manly real man who is made from 100% man.
May 27, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you give less than a shit about any of the things Hillary Clinton claims to be a fighter for, up to and including making sure Roe v. Wade is not overturned. For you it is nothing but a vitriolic cult-of-personality fanboy/girl thing and not about positions, principles, policy, or governance.
Any Clinton supporter who claims that they are either sitting it out or voting McCain, who is the polar-opposite of what Clinton says she stands and fights for, is an utter fraud.
So why do you support Clinton yet hate everything Clinton says she is fighting for so much?
How can you really care about what she says she cares about if you are so willing to knowingly work against what Clinton says she is fighting for by either sitting it out or voting McCain?
Either you are a Rush Limbaugh troll, or an intellectually fraud (not that those are mutually exclusive). In either case, you are simply full of shit.
"Anybody who has ever voted for me or voted for Barack has much more in common in terms of what we want to see happen in our country and in the world with the other than they do with John McCain, I'm going to work my heart out for whoever our nominee is. Obviously, I'm still hoping to be that nominee, but I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama." - Hillary Clinton, CNN, May 14, 2008
(emphasis mine)
May 27, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, Obama needs to be more tough like the Republican Space Rangers!
May 27, 2008 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's uncle freed the Jews in Germany.
Too funny.
May 27, 2008 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh man, you nailed it!
Buchenwald was the camp I think, but who cares, right?
Nothing's funnier than jews in concentration camps.
May 27, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
No - I think gotnolife just said that African Americans freeing jews from concentration camps is funnier.
May 27, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quick clarification--his grandfather wasn't African-American.
May 27, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I missed the "grand" somehow and read "father"
Thanks.
May 27, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo.
Who knew that gotnolife could descend even further and think that freeing Nazi concentration camps (which Obama's uncle actually did) is a punch-line. But I suppose I should not be shocked at such behavior by a GOP troll clowning it up as an alleged "Hillary supporter" in order to try and stir shit.
May 27, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell, it was uncle, anyway.
whatever - lol
May 27, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's Uncle and the Liberation of Auschwitz:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/27/obamas_uncle_and_the_liberatio.html
Too funny.
May 27, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, telling a story about a relative's experience in WWII and leaving off "grand" or "great" in front of "uncle" and getting the name of the concentration camp he helped to liberate mixed up clearly shows the man is not fit to be president.
May 27, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can he get his facts right before speweing the kool aid?
Not even close to accurate.
Of course, it does not have to be the truth when you drink the kool aid.
Geez, get a freaking grip in the reral world.
May 27, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
So because Obama mistakenly named the wrong Nazi concentration camp his great uncle liberated (Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald) that changes the story or the point of the story how precisely?
May 27, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
The story Obama told had a whole lot more in common with the truth than the story Hillary told about sniper fire in Tuzla.
May 27, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
... or any of the truthy 'straight-talk' McBush tries to tell us.
May 27, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Get a grip on your KEYBOARD, gotnolife. Do you just hit keys at random and post whatever shows up? Geez. Spell check?
May 27, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Swiftboating his white grandfather?
May 27, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
not only that, confused him with "uncle"
Gotalife's Dr. Freud is showing...
May 27, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember reading that the market McCain strolled through was immediately outside the Green Zone. It wasn't safe for him to venture farther. And after he left insurgents targeted workers in the market whom he talked to. People actually died as a result of that stunt, illustrating how reckless McCain's approach to Iraq has been.
May 27, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
O god, I had forgotten that but you are right - people did die.
May 27, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Greg - good work.
May 27, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeedy. If your questions elicit such responses, keep on asking.
May 27, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Towel-Snapper McCain. That's our guy.
May 27, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the heir to Towel-snapping Bush.
May 27, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure to impress those twenty-eight percenters.
May 27, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
where's gotalife? He should be talking to that 28% regarding their kool-aid quality...
May 27, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
The first person of color to win the nomination of their party for POTUS is a wimp?
Seriously?
That's the silliest thing I've ever heard.
May 27, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. As a person, I have to say to that there is nothing funny about concentration camps . As a Jew, my words are considerably more pointy.
2. That was not Bush43 under the 'Mission (un)Accomplished' banner . . . That was Commander Codpiece.
3. Obama should have been a bit more direct about wasting the resources of a hundred men and four helicopters for a photoshoot when folk were dying and troops needed their support not to mention how fiscally irresponsible was also a big missing.
May 27, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Franklin Roosevelt beat the Germans and the Japanese from his wheelchair, and he did not see the need to visit either Berlin or Tokyo while he was winning both major wars. He is the last American President to actually achieve complete surrender of the enemy in major wars.
The problem with the Iraq war is not that American Leaders have not spend enough time there; it is that they have spent too much of our brave Troops time and life blood there, without having a clue on how to complete the mission.
McCain is the Godfather of Bush's Misbegotten Iraq Folly.
May 27, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow -- "beat the Germans from his wheelchair." Post of the Day, IMHO. Thank you.
May 27, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said all around. Thank you.
May 27, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent post.
The Folly is nowhere near complete. There is far yet to fall, such that W will pine for the days of 28% approval ratings. I believe indictments are now being prepared for post Jan 2009. A constitutional lawyer as president has the best chance of seeing the rule of law is applied; we must demand it of him.
We may see a trial balloon before then to see how quickly the pardon pen comes out, what justifications are used, and maybe the right pardonee will talk under this tacit immunity. Everything that is said and done is now testimony.
Including air strikes on Iran later this summer. I give this about 65% chance. Greater than 50%, certainly.
Pax,
M.
May 27, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bulls-eye.
May 27, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
liam
Franklin Roosevelt beat the Germans and the Japanese from his wheelchair, and he did not see the need to visit either Berlin or Tokyo while he was winning both major wars. He is the last American President to actually achieve complete surrender of the enemy in major wars.
Score! Market McCain down.
May 28, 2008 1:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
To dialog with Arse Trolls is to validate Arse Trolls.
Please stop doing so. Tune them out.
May 27, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, Obama's great-uncle who was with the 89th Infantry (which liberated a part of Buchenwald) was white. It was his maternal grandmother's brother, who apparently displayed signs of PTSD on his return from the war.
It's all very odd. Our society defines Obama as black, and apparently he has accepted that definition, which is probably wise and healthy. But his family -- the family he grew up with -- was almost exclusively white and the part that wasn't white (his stepfather) was Indonesian! "Dreams From My Father" is really a fascinating book -- about a young man who was black in the eyes of the world but not, at least in the beginning, inside his own head. His grandfather's efforts to help prepare him for a life that the grandfather couldn't really imagine are some of the more touching parts of the book.
On the original topic, Burton's statement doesn't have the usual 'lightness' of tone that we've come to expect. I hope the Obama campaign leaves the straight-forward, and very uncomfortable, rudeness to McCain. Being around the toxicity of Clinton and her campaign has not had a good effect on Obama and his campaign -- but they HAVE survived. I hope that they can regain a little clarity and perspective when she is finally gone.
May 27, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't have a problem with the response - I don't think it was rude. On the contrary, I was ever so glad he brought up both Mission Accomplished and the Baghdad Market stunts. I like it that the campaign reminds people about this bullshit.
May 27, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is sad is that such a potentially powerful candidate McCain ultimately withers back to the failed GOP tactic of continually and cruelly discrediting the messenger rather than engage in the underlying debate. Every criticism against Sen McCain is a personal attack, and he reacts with unbalanced wrath and unfocused policy.
"React" being the operative word. It is deeply mystifying that a soldier does not recognize that agression launched on dishonorable grounds can never be "won."
Pax,
M.
May 27, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
That leads me to a long cogitation on what has happened to McLame.
He never was a "maverick" - the media just fell in love with that idea. But he used to be reasonable and I promise you that right up to the moment when John Kerry said, in the 2d debate, that McLame agreed with him, McLame had been making the rounds criticizing Bush. From that moment on McLame became Bush's bitch. Bush got peevish with Kerry over that and from then on McLame was on George's campaign helicopter and giving him big sweaty hugs.
Now he's interchangeable with Bush/Cheney.
May 27, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo.
May 27, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
CINDY!!!!! Where are my GODDAMN bearings??!?!?!
And get those damned kids offa my lawn!!!!!!
May 27, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops, sorry - I don't think Burton's response was rude either. It's *McCain* who has been being rude, I'm sorry to say. Just don't want to see Obama's campaign head in that direction. I've been very impressed - and pleased -- with the laser precision of most of the responses from Burton in the past. ------------ Agree it's a good thing to bring up those aspects and wouldn't have minded his making some allusion to the danger to troops, et al. who would have to protect such an undertaking. But at least they are snarking at one another about the issues. It's a bit of an improvement.
May 27, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4
About 1 min 19 seconds into this video, you will see Michelle Obama talking about Obama's possible assassination.
Before that, Ted Kennedy spoke of it.
Yet they continue to try to blow up Hillary's words out-of-context, when she wasn't even making a point about assassination.
Just one more example of Obama and his people's HYPOCRISY.
Why are they so desperate that they have to continue to blow this up on shows like the Obama home network: MSNBC. I hear Olbermann went off in some crazed rant about it.
May 27, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, wake up, sheep, this story is about the presumptive Democratic and Republican NOMINEES. Nothing at all to do with your precious at all.
May 27, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear Olbermann went off in some crazed rant about it.
I heard you were a reactionary idiot. Which is heresay?
May 27, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, that Obama hack KO did a "special hit job" on it then Obama attached it to emails to reporters.
Pure Rove tactic and the most disgusting smear this cycle.
You could cut the hate it produced with a knife with these gullible kool aid drinkers.
Shameless.
May 27, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boy, Obama's one ugly burr under your saddle, idn't he?
Ayuh, must desperately suck to be you.
May 27, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't watch it. I can't bear to watch that show. Makes my blood pressure rise I'm sure. I quit watching that JERK months ago. He is so fucked up that olbermann. Mathews isn't much better, the mysogynist crapper.
But I did read some of Eugene Robinson krap today in the post and then he was on repeating it on David Gregory's show. Guess I can't watch that anymore either.
MSNBC has lost all credibility. And that thing with Bush's interview with Richard Engle... taking it all out of context and presenting it as "news". I am no Bush fan but even with him, to manufacture your own news is a new low in journalism. This makes what they claim about Fox faux news bullshit. They are worse than fox ever was.
Msnbc are HACKS (as is obama).
May 27, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, keep plugging your head further into the sand while reciting all the things you "can't" do. I'm sure that will make it all better.
What you can't do is face the truth. That you cannot hear the message without skinning the messenger tells me you have not yet evolved out of high school. That you take the remarks of news commentators whom you do not know personally is as lame as it gets.
It makes you sound very bitter.
Pax,
M.
May 27, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I think everybody should just take a deep breath and say 'let's just go to the finish line,' which will be probably be midnight West Coast time on Feb. 5," - Hillary Clinton, November 26, 2007
May 27, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Iran training and arming Al Qaeda? Obama's camp should have tied Lieberman's whispering corrections to McCain in his retort. Maybe Obama could save that for the debates.
May 27, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should go to Iraq and spew that world famous kool aid.
Have a rally in Sadr City with Al Sadr.
He will make them all hold hands and scream Yes, we can.
May 27, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
O the bitterness!
goodness.
May 27, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
If anybody needs hope for unity, it is the Iraqis.
He should go and spew his kool aid.
Give em hope.
May 27, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
One does not SPEW kool-aid. One serves it. Chilled. It's quite refreshing and giving the sweltering heat in Iraq, I would think it would be quite welcomed. Kool-aid or a bullet, kool-aid or a bullet? Choices, choices, choices.
May 27, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, LOSERS don't change anything with their whining, other than to make themselves look even more pathetic.
May 27, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh really? LOSERS are we?
You'll see who the LOSERS are when WE 35% of the Dem. Party SUPPORT MCCAIN. THOSE ARE THE STATS.
And with those stats, Obama cannot and will not win if he's nominee. We will NOT have a change of heart and "come together" like the dem heads keep promising/predicting. They don't know WHO AND WHAT FORCE they are dealing with. This ain't like any old election in the old days when the party unites.
WE WILL NOT UNITE AND SUPPORT OBAMA. WE WILL SUPPORT MCCAIN. AND THOSE OF US WHO CAN'T STOMACH MCCAIN WILL WRITE IN "HILLARY" OR STAY HOME.
So take that and shove it up your ass JennOfArk & HusseinTina !
We'll be laughing at you in Nov.!!
May 27, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
My, what a rant! You grow more bitter by the week!
May 27, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
"bitter" you say?
Like the other bitter white people clinging to guns and religion...one of those "typical white people?"
yeah, that's me and proud of it jerk-off!
May 27, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that's just a goldern shame (I used "goldern" so as not to sound condescending, which means, "talking down to you".).
I have nothing to offer you but kleenex, m'dear...
May 27, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Anybody who has ever voted for me or voted for Barack has much more in common in terms of what we want to see happen in our country and in the world with the other than they do with John McCain, I'm going to work my heart out for whoever our nominee is. Obviously, I'm still hoping to be that nominee, but I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama." - Hillary Clinton, CNN, May 14, 2008
May 27, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I take it this meltdown means you've surrendered, Dorothy, and you know that Obama is the nominee.
I'm positive that gotnolife is right there with ya - why don't y'all get together and cry in your drinks?
May 27, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you give less than a shit about any of the things Hillary Clinton claims to be a fighter for, up to and including making sure Roe v. Wade is not overturned. For you it is nothing but a vitriolic cult-of-personality fanboy/girl thing and not about positions, principles, policy, or governance.
Any Clinton supporter who claims that they are either sitting it out or voting McCain, who is the polar-opposite of what Clinton says she stands and fights for, is an utter fraud.
So why do you support Clinton yet hate everything Clinton says she is fighting for so much?
How can you really care about what she says she cares about if you are so willing to knowingly work against what Clinton says she is fighting for by either sitting it out or voting McCain?
Either you are a Rush Limbaugh troll, or an intellectually fraud (not that those are mutually exclusive). In either case, you r simply full of shit.
May 27, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, well there you are dark shadowed fiend....
in case I wasn't clear before, let me reiterate:
We will NOT have a change of heart and "come together" like the dem heads keep promising/predicting. They don't know WHO AND WHAT FORCE they are dealing with. This ain't like any old election in the old days when the party unites.
WE WILL NOT UNITE AND SUPPORT OBAMA. WE WILL SUPPORT MCCAIN. AND THOSE OF US WHO CAN'T STOMACH MCCAIN WILL WRITE IN "HILLARY" OR STAY HOME.
And if it makes you feel better, we have good reasons NOT to support the black racist, Obama. We believe it in the best interest of our country.
May 27, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Anybody who has ever voted for me or voted for Barack has much more in common in terms of what we want to see happen in our country and in the world with the other than they do with John McCain, I'm going to work my heart out for whoever our nominee is. Obviously, I'm still hoping to be that nominee, but I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama." - Hillary Clinton, CNN, May 14, 2008
May 27, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really wish that the well-meaning chump who gave you a computer so you'd leave them alone would reconsider.
May 27, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, while I'm shoving your tantrum in the voting booth up my ass, you want me to also shove your hopes, dreams, economic security and everything else you're pissing away up there while I'm at it?
May 27, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't you actually try addressing the questions?
May 27, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I see. Because you're a LOSER, you're going to vote for McCain to make sure that EVERYONE loses. Americans, Iraqis, Iranians and whoever else Grandpa Simpson decides needs to "GET OFF MY LAWN!!!" People will die - a lot of them, the country will slip further into bankruptcy, you'll be walking to school AND carrying your lunch, but it will all be worth it to throw your little tantrum in the voting booth.
How adult of you.
May 27, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mindless flailing about. I have often wondered if gotalife is not the name of some poorly-written javascript. The posts are very regular, both in interval and content, with their own disjointed meter. It also confirms the lack of ability to engage in cogent debate, or come to anything even grossly resembling a point.
If true, its adolescent programmer abandoned it long ago for a job in the hog futures market. It makes better sense if you substitute the word "libbies" for "kool-aid".
Eliza had far better manners.
Pax,
M,
May 27, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotalife:
I know that you are a troll and this response will have no effect on you.
However:
Do you remember Donald Rumsfeld saying that the Iraqis were going to greet us as liberators?
Do you know that General Petraeus' strategy in Iraq is "winning hearts and minds"?
Can I forgive your ham-handed dig at Obama being a sissy in spite of the fact that you are accusing him of doing EXACTLY WHAT THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO DO IN IRAQ.
If Obama can get them to all hold hands and say "Yes We Can" in Arabic, then that is certainly better than the MONUMENTAL FUCK UP currently being perpetrated in the name of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
You are doing more than insulting Barack, you sniffering little dipshit. You are making light of those of us on the ground who are trying to implement a fundamentally unsound set of orders. If Obama could go to Sadr city and hold a rally, then good on him, because then my ass can get out of here to see my wife and child.
You. Disgust. Me.
May 28, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I had and uncle who liberated...no...wait...great uncle....Auschwitz...no...wait...Buchenwald....no....wait....ah, ferget it...I've never served in the military force...you win McCain."
"Obama admits reference to Auschwitz was wrong"
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2740383620080527?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true
May 27, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I had and uncle who liberated...no...wait...great uncle....Auschwitz...no...wait...Buchenwald....no....wait....ah, ferget it...the Jewish vote is yours McCain."
"Obama admits reference to Auschwitz was wrong"
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2740383620080527?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true
May 27, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
And mixing up the name of which Nazi concentration camp his great uncle liberated when talking about PSTD is at all relevant how precisely?
May 27, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hilarious.
May 27, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, being pedantic over the name of the concentration camp someone's great uncle liberated when discussing the damaging effect of PSTD is hilarious.
May 27, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Souless, like a computer program. The regularity gives it away.
May 27, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
We sympathize - Hillary and the media don't know what to do with a campaign that isn't all about Vietnam, either.
May 27, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
To dialog with Arse Trolls is to validate Arse Trolls.
Please stop doing so. Tune them out.
May 27, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hush wanker.
Nobody is talking to you.
May 27, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
You should really stop talking into your own fly like that.
May 27, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I had and uncle who liberated...no...wait...great uncle....Auschwitz...no...wait...Buchenwald....no....wait....ah, ferget it...Let me officially apologize to Hillary Clinton."
"Obama admits reference to Auschwitz was wrong"
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2740383620080527?feedType=RSS&f
May 27, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
And mixing up the name of which Nazi concentration camp his great uncle liberated when talking about PSTD is at all relevant how precisely?
May 27, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I had an uncle who liberated...no...wait...great uncle....Auschwitz...no...wait...Buchenwald....no....wait....ah, ferget it...Let's just seat the Florida and Michigan delegations already."
"Obama admits reference to Auschwitz was wrong"
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2740383620080527?feedType=RSS&f
Posted by
May 27, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
And mixing up the name of which Nazi concentration camp his great uncle liberated when talking about PSTD is at all relevant how precisely?
May 27, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I had and uncle who liberated...no...wait...great uncle....Auschwitz...no...wait...Buchenwald....no....wait....ah, ferget it...you know...they're just words after all."
"Obama admits reference to Auschwitz was wrong"
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2740383620080527?feedType=RSS&f
Posted by
May 27, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can stop spamming fuck-nut.
May 27, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, Obama is ready.
Not.
May 27, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
More than ready.
May 27, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I had an uncle who liberated...no...wait...great uncle....Auschwitz...no...wait...Buchenwald....no....wait....ah, line please....line...where's the effing writer...LINE!!!!"
"Obama admits reference to Auschwitz was wrong"
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2740383620080527?feedType=RSS&f
May 27, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can stop spamming now and actually answer the rebuttal question put to you.
May 27, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is this, the fifth grade?
May 27, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. This is serious fucking business and Obama sounds like a god damn 8th grade valedictorian. Platitudes, nonsense, empty jargon and gaffes. This guy is no leader.
May 27, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton disagrees with you.
I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama." - Hillary Clinton, CNN, May 14, 2008
May 27, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Obama is preferable to McCain. Solid endorsement.
How long you been hanging on to the one?
May 27, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you admit Obama is preferable to McCain, yet you claim you will be voting McCain or throwing away your vote by writing in someone else because Clinton, who will be supporting Obama is not the Democratic nominee.
May 27, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bullshit liar. Never said I would vote for McCain. Some might think Obama is preferable to McCain. I said I might sit it out. Not voting is still an option.
If I vote uncommitted will Obama claim it was a vote for him? Just curious.
May 27, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you MIGHT be throwing away your vote by writing in someone else because Clinton, who will be supporting Obama is not the Democratic nominee even though you admit that Obama is preferable to McCain.
Distinction without a difference.
As to your attempt at a sardonic rhetorical question, you seem to be confused about the mechanics of a primary party nomination process and a general election ballot.
May 27, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, I didn't say Obama is better than McCain, Clinton did.
You just can't help yourself getting stuff wrong over and over.
Take a break. Like Obama, you're exhausted.
May 27, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
So who the fuck do you support? (Threw the f-bomb in there, since you apparently need a curse in order to communicate...)
May 27, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you don't know who I support you need to pay better attention.
May 27, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Way to avoid the question. As if I'm following your posts. Please. Megalomania, run amuck.
May 27, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
More pedantic bobbing and weaving, loaded with weasel words an misdirection.
Do you support Clinton over McCain, if so why?
May 27, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I suspected. Fifth grade.
TPM, can we have some competent contrarians, please? These guys are the two-dollar hoes of Internet trolls. Leave these dudes on the curb and let's get some better talent!
May 27, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's human - That's NOTHING compared to the other F-Ups from the other two freaks!
May 27, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word.
May 27, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Explain how liberating Buchenwald is less heroic than liberating Auschwitz.
May 27, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed. I'm all ears.
May 27, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh you're all orifice alright ... but its not your ears...
LOL
asshole leftwingnut radicals!! they're so lame.
May 27, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spoken like an authentic dittohead.
May 27, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
KO should do a special comment on this gaffe.
He should support Clinton because Obama is not even close to being ready for the big job.
Just admit he was dead wrong on Clinton's point that anything can happen.
And it is.
May 27, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama." - Hillary Clinton, CNN, May 14, 2008
May 27, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should get two points off of his HIST 460 final exam, I agree. I demand he return the "Good job!" snoopy sticker the professor attached to his answer booklet.
May 27, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
An errant algorithm named got-a-life
Had trouble expressing a lot of life
With regular fashion
And zero compassion
Proclaimed indeed it had not a life.
May 27, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
an errant algorithm named got- a- life
had trouble finding a trollish wife
with regular fashion
and zero compassion
is raeka the perfect 'love-in-strife"
May 28, 2008 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Simply
S**I**M**P**L**E !
May 27, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
To dialog with Arse Trolls is to validate Arse Trolls.
Please stop doing so. Tune them out.
May 27, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain has weaknesses. He exposes them when attacking.
Obama takes advantage of McCain's momentum, right at the moment of the supposed blow. Grabs the weaknesses, directs them with added momentum, at the press.
Barackarate!!!
May 27, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. This is probing the enemy sort of stuff, and McCain has so many weaknesses and tells already exposed, that this is going to be a turkey-shoot.
May 27, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just love it!
May 27, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's latest trip only underscored how out of touch he is with today's American soldier, and the reality of the conflict. Obama is smart to dismiss this as what it is: a political stunt.
May 27, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some dumb pundit was commenting that the American people don't want to be reminded of the war so an anti-war message won't sell, but I think Obama needs to keep goading old McCain into talking about the war. Let McCain keep talking and talking and talking and talking about war. Let him keep saying that he'll NEVER surrender then let's us keep pointing out how much it is costing every second, minute, hour, day, week, month, decade McCain NEVER wants to surrender.
May 27, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
that was one dumb pundit, since a huge majority of Americans want this war over with. Or else it was one lying pundit, more like.
And that's why an anti-war message will get Obama elected.
May 27, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hand me the Troll-Repellant Bat-Spray, Robin....
May 27, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because Lindsey Graham mentions the idea of an Obama/McPain trip to Iraq, on "Face The Nation", McPain runs with the idea on Monday...
Mind you, it was really just a ploy to deflect from his "NON VOTE" PR on the "GI Bill".
OF ALL BILLS TO BE ABSENT FOR.
He's fuckin'PATHETIC if you ask me!
May 27, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
O but that was a great big gift to us, wrapped up in the shiniest goddamn red ribbon evah!
That one needs to be hung around his neck every day from now on.
May 27, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I had an uncle who liberated...no...wait...great uncle....Auschwitz...no...wait...Buchenwald....no....wait....ah, my white grandma...wait...we need hope...guys, can we overdub this in the looping session later?"
"Obama admits reference to Auschwitz was wrong"
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2740383620080527
May 27, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
We read your infantile drivel the first 6 times you posted it. Care to actually address the rebuttal question out to you which is (again):
Mixing up the name of which Nazi concentration camp his great uncle liberated when talking about PSTD is at all relevant how precisely?
May 27, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently you didn't read it. Pay attention.
May 27, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I did read it. Obama was talking about the damage of PSTD and used the story of his great uncle who was one of the troops who liberated Buchnewald to illustrate the issue of PSTD, and mixed up the name of which Nazi concentration camp his great uncle liberated.
So I ask again, mixing up the name of which Nazi concentration camp his great uncle liberated when talking about PSTD is at all relevant how precisely?
May 27, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
BTW, do you mean PTSD? Are you suggesting Obama suffers from it and that explains his gaffe?
May 27, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, he is talking about post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and pointing out the very real and lasting effect it can have on our troops and the need to address the issues of PTSD and our troops in a substantive, and vigorous manner.
But thanks for willfully being obtuse and missing the point (again).
Though it is obvious that PTSD and the after effects of being exposed to the atrocities of war are just hilarious in your world.
Way to support the troops fuck-nut.
May 27, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh Pleeeeez.. You are wearing me out!
GET A LIFE TROLL!
May 27, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is his life.
May 27, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, my fan base.
May 27, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pathetic. Dude, if this is how you get your jollies...wow.
May 27, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Franklin Roosevelt beat the Germans and the Japanese from his wheelchair, and he did not see the need to visit either Berlin or Tokyo while he was winning both major wars. He is the last American President to actually achieve complete surrender of the enemy in major wars.
The problem with the Iraq war is not that American Leaders have not spend enough time there; it is that they have spent too much of our brave Troops time and life blood there, without having a clue on how to complete the mission.
May 27, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
--> E**X**A**C**T**L**Y!
May 27, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
You need to get a job with the Obama campaign. What you wrote there is a knockout response. No shit.
May 27, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I concur.
May 27, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hope you guys are watching Countdown... Olberman's discussing Phil Gramm's influence on McCain's housing proposal
May 27, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, he is shocked McClellan wrote a book with some bashing of bush.
Said Rove and Libby lied to him about Plame.
Duh.
This book will make him rich.
May 27, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if the story of his uncle living upstairs in the attic for 6 months has any truth.
Sounds like more bs but it is okay unless Clinton said it.
Can this guy tell the truth about anything?
Earth to Obama, we are sick of the lies.
May 27, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not only can he do so, but he has and does do so.
"I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama." - Hillary Clinton, CNN, May 14, 2008
May 27, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unless, of course, Obama is not on the ballot.
Clinton remains the best choice for the Dem nominee and president.
May 27, 2008 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately for your preferred candidate, the party and the voters think otherwise and Obama will be the nominee and on the ballot in November.
May 27, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
He lies.
http://www.stop-obama.org/?page_id=24
He is a freaking politician.
Duh.
May 27, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, Gotalife, thanks for scraping that choice website off the filthy dregs at the very bottom of the Intertubes. Now that we know what your sources are, we'll be *sure* to take your inane spouting seriously. Not.
May 27, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. You're right. He's such a liar. That one about Bosnia sniper fire was an absolute doozy. Oh wait...
May 27, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let just see if the MSM check the veracity of this nonsense. Obama's a joke, an actor, a pretender. At this point it's like he's punch drunk, mumbling nonsense and can't even hold his hands up to defend himself. He offers nothing, just slumps in the corner taking punches and trying to run out the clock.
Meanwhile Clinton continues to control the campaign.
To the convention.
May 27, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, but your bizarre take on things bear no resemblance to reality.
May 27, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why does the MSM have to check the veracity of anything? You obviously don't. Obviously, you appear to know everything, and can thus declare things a lie at will, even if there's no evidence.
Good thing you delusional Clinton losers hold such high standards of intellectual integrity...
May 28, 2008 12:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
From Americablog:
May 27, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great letter.
Somehow that has gotten confused. There were, besides Auschwitz, 5 camps that were only death camps: Chelmno, Treblinka, Belzek, Sobibor and Madjanek. Nobody lived at these camps - they just unloaded train cars and ran them right through. By the tens of thousands.
They were dismantled by the Nazis ahead of the Allies, because they knew that what they were doing was a crime against humanity. They would not have been known about possibly at all, if some of the Jewish prisoners who worked in them hadn't escaped and told the world.
I got interested in Gita Sereny's books about Albert Speer, and about the aftermath - the affect Nazism has had on the 2d generation in Germany. Read a lot about it for awhile.
May 27, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for the post.
May 27, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Should also point out that the above posters trying to inflame this subject are marching along in sync with the RNC's Auschwitz/Buchenwald attack.
No. They're not real Clinton supporters. It is as we've suspected. They're Republicans here to instigate shit.
May 27, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
A good point worth underscoring indeed. Most legitimate Clinton supporters would rather saw their own tongues off before considering voting for McCain.
May 27, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Haha, I love how you jump from wondering whether something is true to declaring it a lie.
You know, you have to actually fact check it before you can declare it a lie. I realize your hallucinations seem very "real," but they're not. Seriously, take your meds.
May 28, 2008 12:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now what is America's excuse for not doing the same?
UK ready to scrap killer cluster bombs
Ministers overrule opposition from military over controversial weapons
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/28/military.defence?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
Excerpt:
UK ready to scrap killer cluster bombsMinisters overrule opposition from military over controversial weapons
Richard Norton-Taylor The Guardian, Wednesday May 28 2008 Article historyThe government is preparing to scrap Britain's entire arsenal of cluster bombs in the face of a growing clamour against weapons that have killed and maimed hundreds of innocent civilians.
Officials are paving the way for the unexpected and radical step at talks in Dublin on an international treaty aimed at a worldwide ban on the bombs.
Well-placed sources made clear yesterday that despite opposition from the military, the government is prepared to get rid of the cluster munitions in Britain's armoury: the lsraeli-designed M85 artillery weapon used during the 2003 invasion of Iraq and in attacks on Lebanon two years ago; and the M73, part of a weapons system for Apache helicopters.
"The prime minister is very much behind this process and wants us to sign [the treaty]", a senior Foreign Office source said yesterday.
Ireland, which is chairing the talks, wants a treaty text to be adopted tonight. "If we sign up to the treaty we will lose the M85 and the M73", the source said. While the government appears happy for British forces to get rid of their M85 weapons immediately, it wants a "phasing out period" for its M73s.
The agreement, expected to be confirmed today, ends a long-running Whitehall dispute which has pitted the Ministry of Defence against the FO and Department for International Development. The MoD says the number of cluster bombs in the armoury is "operationally sensitive" but concedes that decommissioning them will cost tens of millions of pounds.
Participants in the talks were still embroiled last night in the vexed question of whether troops from countries who sign up to the ban could go on operations with those, notably the US, that do not. Preventing them from doing so could lead to breaches in other treaty commitments, notably involving Nato, and would have serious practical implications, British officials say. The government also wants to allow the US to stockpile cluster weapons at American bases in the UK.
Pressure would be applied on the US not to use its cluster weapons in joint operations with countries which had banned them, officials suggest.
Cluster weapons are highly controversial because they scatter small "bomblets" over a wide area. Many of them do not explode on impact and are activated later by civilians. They caused more than 200 civilian casualties in the year after the Lebanon ceasefire, and more civilian casualties in Iraq in 2003 and Kosovo in 1999 than any other weapon system.
The M85 was fired by British troops around Basra during the invasion of Iraq. According to the MoD, they made a "direct contribution to saving the lives of UK service personnel".
The M73 rocket, part of the Apache's weapons system, is fired from pods on the attack helicopters and can also be fitted to Harrier jets. In its defence of their use, MoD officials have argued that they were "direct fire" weapons - in other words a pilot firing them can see the target - and that a single weapon had fewer than 10 "bomblets".
However, that figure refers to the number in just one rocket pod, and an Apache can carry a total of 684 in its cluster weapons, campaigners say.
Human rights groups campaigning for a ban on all cluster bombs said yesterday the planned treaty was being threatened by the refusal of the US to remove stocks from its airforce bases on UK territory.
May 27, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's the decades upon decades of bloody arms dealing. Not only must America fund $500 billion per year in unspeakable death, it must then sell such said death to others, while claiming itself Not Secure. Insecure, more likely.
One does not put a gun on the wall in Act I one does not intend to see used in Act III.
Thank L-Ron the UK came to its senses. The world is too small for this nonsense.
Pax,
M.
May 27, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome, Greg. Thanks.
May 27, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree.
Said so upthread, but I can't even find it now - LOL!
great work.
May 27, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. Sad to see gotalife and fogu2 actually sink to a new low.
May 27, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
"He was telling similar stories about his grandfather back in 2002, in his now-famous Iraq speech, which I'd never previously read:
My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka.
The first troops to enter those two camps (in Poland) were Soviet troops, so unless Patton was leading them, this can't be true."
More bs.
May 27, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where is the BS?
May 27, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can you read?
May 27, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can read. However your quotes are not wqhat he said in 2002:
Nowhere in that speech is "he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka." etc.
Flat out making shit up I see.
May 27, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only BS is your comment. That was not in his 2002 Iraq speech.
Stop lying and making shit up.
May 27, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, the text I found did have the Auschwitz and Treblinka lines: http://www.lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html
or
http://thegooddemocrat.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/barack-obamas-speech-on-iraq-2002/
But gotalife's point is that his grandfather couldn't have spoken with the soldiers who "first entered" those two camps. Could he have spoken with Russian soldiers? I really don't know. I don't know if they ever co-mingled. But I wouldn't discount it out of hand as a false. Gotalife would, but he's hardly impartial.
May 27, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
But I also found versions that didn't have that line in it, so I really don't know what the real one is.
May 27, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are correct.
There are various versions out on the intertubes.
But the larger point is, there is nothing factually in error, nor is the larger point in error of the 2002 speech, and the mixing up of the camp names in the current "gaffe" is irrelevant to the actual point at hand (and made), that PSTD is a serious issue with vets who face the horrors of war.
May 27, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then he's mistaken.
Big deal.
May 27, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. It's hardly a big deal one way or the other, I just really can't confirm anything one way or the other.
Would US and Soviet troops not have intermingled at all? I have no idea.
May 27, 2008 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I must be mistaken about who was saying what, but at this point, that's not surprising.
And I'm with josephcast down there at the bottom of the thread - and you -
enough - move on. Sorry to prolong it.
May 27, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know this much - Dachau and several other concentration camps were in Germany and were liberated by American troops.
The ones in Poland - I don't know, I have trouble seeing that.
He could have mispoken for one in Germany - and Dachau wasn't the only one there - that's the only one I can remember.
May 27, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well we do know that Obama's great uncle (the one mentioned in today's "gaffe" that obama mentioned in today's speech to vets about PTSD) was part of the US 83rd Infantry Division in World War II and that elements of the 83rd overran Langenstein, one of a number of smaller camps comprising the Buchenwald complex. There the division liberated over 1,000 prisoners, compelled the mayor of Langenstein to send food and water to the camp, and sped medical supplies forward from the 20th Field Hospital.