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New Hillary Ad Stars Joe Wilson And Valerie Plame

Hillary has a new ad for Oregon starring anti-Bush and anti-war heroes Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame...

The use of the Wilsons, who are revered among anti-war rank-and-file Dems, is designed to appeal to the large, young activist population in Oregon.

"If you care about ending the war," Plame says, "we urge you to join us in supporting Hillary Clinton for president."


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Hillary who?

I urge you to join:

The Campaign to: Keep her in the Senate!

Hillary's second major Republican endorsement after Rush.

If someone really cares about ending the war, they are already voting for Obama, who spoke out against getting us involved in the war in the first place.

More importantly, what's with Joe's hair? He went from having a mane to looking mangy.

I guess they thought he'd look a little too much like one of the elites he really is if they put him on camera with his usual Fekkai type haircut and Eurostyle suit. I think they probably bought him the trailer park shirt too. But these two are bad choices. Even the antiwar progressives had to kinda sorta look the other way while these two wined and dined and got their faces in every rag they could. They got to be just a tad embarassing, and that they hang with the Clintons now is, I guess, a nobrainer.

heh, they can get together to whine to
each other after she looses the nomination.

If she's not impeached, I'm voting for McCain.

I do have to say this is an effective strategy, but I don't think this would cut into Obama's anti-war support in Oregon.

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Not to mention the fact that Joe Wilson has said and written some incredibly offensive and unfair things about Obama. Screw him and his wife.

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Screw him and his wife.
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I knew this was coming. Let the character assassination begin. Its the new politics I've been hearing so much about.

I knew this was coming. Let the character assassination begin. Its the new politics I've been hearing so much about.
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You didn't know shit.. Joe Wilson, a man I have defended a thousand times - has been smearing Obama for months now via his hit articles. He deserves all the criticism he gets, it has nothing to do with the new politics you've been hearing so much about.

I don't see any character assasination in the phrase "Screw him".

Character assasination would be more along the lines of "Joe Wilson is reported to have slept with an 11 year old girl".

And, as far as I can tell, no one says anything like that below.

Or above.

I don't see any character assasination in the phrase "Screw him".

I don't either.

A repulsive idea? Yes. Character assassination? No.

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He hasn't slept with any 11-year-old girls, as far as I know.

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What character assassination? I didn't say anything about Wilson's character other than I am not interested in him.

Go read his screeds against Obama on the Huffington Post and elsewhere. He has been totally unfair in his mean-spirited takedowns of Obama.

Like I said, screw him and his wife.

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true dat. and a lot of the oregon voting has already happened by mail.

i don't think this is going to shift the score siginifcantly in that state.

Too little, too late.

As much as I admire the Wilsons, this is not credible because their candidate VOTED FOR THE GODDAMNED WAR THEY WERE TRYING TO PREVENT. This ship has sailed ... if they honestly wanted to back the candidate that best represented their beliefs, they would back Obama, who was against the war as they were.

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Exactly. I'm anti-dumb-war. Hillary was for it. Joe supports Hillary. I don't respect Wilson's opinion at all.

Wow, I'm sure the loss of your respect cuts them both to the bone.

Funny.

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A real sound investment for the Wilsons; didn't cost them a dime with a lot of upside potentials for their book sales.

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Exactly. They were invested into getting into a Clinton administration that would have promised them all sorts of goodies.

You can tell by the shrillness of Joe Wilsons attacks on Obama that he is worried that whatever sugarplums that the Clintons were offering are slipping away.

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At least it isn't a deceptive attack ad.

I have no problem with Hillary staying in as long as she isn't using her Kitchen Sink Strategy.

Agreed, but she has been walking the razor's edge on other fronts. Most notably the e-mail blasts today. Looks like the supers are getting the message. This could be over befor the 20th.

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Yep.

I actually want her to stay in (nicely) until after Oregon votes (the 20th.)

Figure it will be inversely proportional. The nicer she is the less supers will go to Obama. Seems like its been that way so far.

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Anyone who has read Joe Wilson's slam pieces on Obama on HuffPost no longer reveres him even a little bit.

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Agreed. It's sad, too, that after I read his rambling, incoherent, illogical pro-Hillary rants on HuffPo, I lost most of my respect for him.

His stuff is indistinguishable from a Taylor Marsh tirade.

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I totally agree.

Would that be the war that Hillary Clinton voted to approve?

Poor deluded thing.

(not you Greg).

:-P

The problem with this is that anti-war activists (of any age) are going to be perfectly aware that Clinton voted in favor of the war.

This makes the fact that no one wants the troops out more than Hillary (hello, Joe Lieberman!) somewhat uncompelling.

Which qualifies this ad as a

"Clin-tone"

= Makes no sense!

Joe Wilson got a haircut.

Yes, and I'm really bummed - he had a gorgeous head of hair! ;)

His hair was what made the best part about him. Too bad he had to shave it off.

He's morphing.

No kidding! I had to look twice to realize that was him!

OK, now that I've been totally superficial: At least she doesn't trash Obama or mention that only white people care about ending the war.

I don't understand why the wilson's support clinton. I know they're hacks and are loyal to her husband, but she voted for a war that both of them knew was complete BS!

I mean, what? It doesn't matter if she got it wrong on the war because her husband made me ambassador a decade ago?

You would think anti-war activist like the wilsons would support someone who was, you know, against the war.

Silly me. I should know you can't use logic to understand politics.

I like the Wilsons for standing up for the truth. You have to remember that they did donate the maximum to the Bush/Cheney 2000 campaign. They are heroes to the left for their valiant stand against the abuses of this administration. This does not mean they are liberals or progressives. They are moderates at best - but definitely good Americans.

Irony: While Joe Wilson told us no uranium enrichment Hillary went ahead and voted for the war.

It's psuedo endorsement for Obama, whenever you remind Iraq people don't vote for Hillary.

It's psuedo endorsement for Obama, whenever you remind Iraq people don't vote for Hillary.

I agree. Why bring this up?

But I have always wondered why he chose to hold back on going public in a big way until it was way too late to stop the invasion. I mean, the editorial in the Times came out in, what, July of 2003? Why? It made me half cry when I read it and all I could think was why now and not before?
And I still wonder.

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It's too late for Clinton to run on the war in Iraq.

I think this is a terrible idea. All it does is remind people of the last 8 years.

It's clear to most Americans that there isn't going to be any substantive inquiry into how we got into Iraq. Dredging up the Wilsons only reminds Americans that our government is broken, and Clinton is a 30 year insider, and part of the problem.

I have no idea how this helps Clinton. I think it's a mistake.

I totally agree with you. I can't see how it helps her either. There are days when I scratch my head and wonder how her campaign can be so bone-headed sometimes. This is an obvious loser in my mind.

Could it be an unconscious desire to fail? Publicly? Over and over???

God, I would hope not - sounds pretty masochistic and self-loathing to me. I would hope she has a little better self-concept than that, but it is an interesting possibility.

I think they're so enmeshed in a bunker mentality that their objectivity is completely lacking.

Shorter: serious denial.

Well, somebody did say: She won the State of Denial!

I suspect it is a "forced kumbaya" mentality:

"We bashed African Americans for months, but they *will* support us in the fall. We're all one big happy family."

"I voted wrong on Iraq, but I won't admit that, and they *will* support me in the fall. Everyone loves the Wilsons."

The error here, for me anyway, is that the Clintons have a long memory for who's crossed them. So what's wrong with voters having a long memory for the pols that crossed them when it came to the important Iraq war vote?

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If you care about ending the War, then you can not vote for Hillary The Obliterator.

The Wilson also have clearly been in Washington for far too long. Hillary Voted for the Iraq War, and she is eager to launch an Nuclear Holocaust on a non Nuclear nation of seventy million Men, Women and Children.

Great American heroes.

For once I agree with you, GL! Must be the Apocalypse.

I truly respect that both were willing to take on Bush on the war.

I just wish Clinton had been willing to do the same. Let's see. Wilson was willing to go to Africa to see whether they had uranium. Clinton couldn't walk down the hall in the Capitol to read the 2002 Iraq NIE to see whether Bush had any compelling evidence to rush to war?

Agreed.

They were indeed treated very poorly by the Bush Administration.

It's a good thing that Obama has shown the leadership to actual say that he's going to investigate the Bush Administration and prosecute where laws have been broken.

Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame's treatment will not be forgotten, regardless of who they support.

This ad is a waste of Obama's money.

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?? Obama's money??

Was that subtle snark? My snark detectors go bad at about 2:30 every Friday afternoon.

I think it was a snark in reference to the rumors of Obama paying off her campaign debts.

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Reference to rumors of Obama paying off Clinton debt in return for graceful exit and support.

Too late.

You Invoke Iraq I Vote Obama- simple.

I really wish she'd tried more things like this back in February, when it might have made a difference.

How does this make a difference when it just reminds people that, even though Joe and Valerie Wilson tried to prevent the war, she voted for it anyway? I don't understand your logic...

Because it helps put her war vote in the past, by having Wilson and Plame, two of the brightest lights of the anti-war movement, say that she's the right person to extract us from the war now. This was never going to be an easy sell, because she was so wrong at the beginning, but that made it all the more important that she start making her case early and often.

The Clinton frog march to irrelevancy continues!

Whoa! What did you do with Kenny???

Kenny will be back soon. And everyone will...

CELEBRATE HIM HOME!!!

Kenny is on tour and will be back soon. (This is true - I laughed when I read yesterday that he will be in St. Louis Aug. 17.)

Awesome. I saw Kenny open for Hall and Oates four years ago. He was much better. H&O sounded good, but they had no clue as to how to put together a set list. Kenny played his new stuff at the beginning, went into the classics, closed with Footloose, then did Danger Zone > Playing With The Boys, followed by I'm Alright for the encore. H&O had a old song/new song formula that they stuck to throughout the set, so they never really gave themselves a chance to pull the audience into their performance.

They did bring Kenny up on stage to do You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling during the encore, though.

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Actually, I think it is more accurate to say that rank and file Democrats have concluded that, despite the hit job on Wilson through Plame ordered by Cheney and others, they are a test case that suffering is not ennobling--if you love your reflection more than your country. Their behavior since has shown them to be limelight-loving partisan hacks who have little of substance to say about the war and a great deal to say about themselves. Remember how Wilson jumped onto Kerry's campaign at the time when he was a key player in the Bush administration subverting our government. Instead, he gave the White House cover to call it all a partisan attack. I think the cover picture on Vanity Fair that appeared a few months later said it all....their incessant pursuit of celebrity says a lot about their sense of national service. Politics is show business for ugly people, and they are not quite pretty enough for Hollywood.

I always saw Wilson and Plame as more anti-Bush than anti-war. Wilson was upset that Bush didn't listen to his recommendations about Iraq, and then infuriated by the way his wife was treated. The war was just a means to an end - Wilson and Plame opposed the war because it could hurt Bush.

I think a partial explanation of their support for Senator Clinton is their status in Washington. She's even more establishment than Bush, and Wilson and Plame are VERY establishment.

And, again, he didn't go public with his "What I Didn't find in Africa" until four months into the War.

I have to say, I agree with most people on this post. I think the only thing this ad does is remind voters that Hillary didn't oppose the war when she could have. How is she now the best person to get us out of it?

It's an odd ad, especially at this late date, and in Oregon, no less. With large numbers of progressives living there, I'm pretty sure they will be aware of her voting record.

Hey, will no one point out that Joe's name is on Blumenthal's 'buddy' list, along with at least one at this site?

he's not your buddy, guy!!


I'm not a guy and was not refering to myself as being Blumenthal's buddy. Thanks for giving me the chance to make myself clear.

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Vote for her to end the war she voted for? Headspinning.

It doesn't help that they look so sad and unconvincing in this ad. As an Oregonian who has spoken with many voters here, this will not help with those who oppose the war.

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I hate it when your heroes fall from grace.

Say it ain't so, Joe.

Say it ain't so.


Seriously, he can still be a hero, but his politics are NOT liberal. They never have been. He gave money to Bush/Cheney 2000. He was the ambassador to Iraq during Bush 41's administration and she's a spook. These are not typical characteristics of a liberal. The are good Americans and are probably more left-leaning now than they were four years ago, but that's about it.

i dont see what being liberal, or moderate or conservative has to do with it.

they're against this war. They were against it from the beginning. from even before the beginning because they knew it was BS.

so how then, is it possible for them to overlook look the fact that the person they support voted for that war "with conviction"?

Because they want their cake and eat it too. Given their politics, do you think they would have a bigger role/influence in a Clinton administration or an Obama administration? They may have been anti-Iraq war, but that does not mean they are now doves.

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I don't think anyone expects them to be liberal. I know I don't. What impressed me most about the ambassador was his pragmatism on Iraq and the Middle East. He certainly isn't showing that same good judgement now. He's mostly jockeying for another ambassador slot. But he's "hitched his wagon to a falling star," to quote Coppola's "Patton."

I've got the BIG love for Wilson & Plame . . . BUT the O-blithering-ator is NOT President material.

I hope Clinton spends another $12M of Chel's inheritance and goes back to being New York's second best current Senator soon. May she never get elected dog catcher . . .

Joe's op-eds at the Huffington Post have been gratuitously and unjustifiably vitriolic against Obama.

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What a lame ad.

Not so revered any longer. Ever since Joe started posting his breathless attacks on HuffPost, I think the anti-war Left has begun to see them in a new light.

I've always wondered about the anti-Bush worship of these two.

Joe Wilson was one of the expeditors of Bush I's Iraq turkey shoot and the subsequent "1,000,000 Iraqi dead are worth it" sanctions. And his wife was a friggin' CIA agent, for chrissakes, making the world safe for US vampire capitalism.

Of course, they would support Ma Scorpion. That's what the Clintons do -- put a happy face on barbarism.

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The Wilsons are just disgusting CESSPOOL dwellers with Laryy Johnson et al.....

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Oregonians have waited four decades for the chance to cast a meaningful vote in a Presidential primary. It wouldn't matter if WOODROW WIlson endorsed Hillary at this point -- we are not going to waste very many votes on her

I started out liking her. Then it went to not caring. Then it went to losing respect for her. Then it went to ridiculing her. Now, with the Wilsons' going for her, I am enraged with not only her but with the people that I had much respect for. If this keeps up, I won't be happy until she is destroyed politicaly. Vice President? Fuck that. And hell to pay for anyone not smart enough to know when to get aboard the Obama Train. PS if you're a Hillary troll, don't bother responding. If you don't like this post, you for sure won't like my next one. Have a nice day.

Well, alrighty then, but please don't vaporize us with your death ray, K? :)

PsyOps? Is the CIA still using these two?

Good ad. Great ad. Too little, waaaaay too late. It's OVER.

"If you care about ending the war, we urge you to vote for someone who not only voted for the war, but has plans for Iran, too."

at least this would be a more accurate quote.

All this anti-Wilson stuff is really petty.

You don't have to like their pick for President to have some respect for both of them for what they did on YOUR behalf and on behalf of the people of the country. I'd wager they have sacrificed and genuinely suffered a great deal more as a result of their defiance of the Bush regime than anyone posting on this thread. But, because you don't like their pick for President (which isn't mine be a long shot)simply does not make it okay to denigrate, carp and generally attack them like a bunch of vile, nasty, sharp-toungued teenage girls who want to ostracize someone they no longer like. So grow up people and lay off the personal attacks on the Wilsons.

Oh, the poor poor Wilsons. Fame, fortune, and really bad books.

Save your bleeding heart for all the Third World waste-product they helped eliminate.

How childish and embarassing for you.

Plame lost her career and perhaps the personal safety of herself and her family.

It's incredible how people will say utterly foolish things when hiding behind a screen name as opposed to when they are accountable. You act like a child. If you insist upon doing so perhaps the old rule of not being heard should apply to you.

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Actually, I have some real issues with the Wilsons.

Did you know that Wilson is involved in a VC company with the goal of exploiting raw materials in Africa... and that his company has people on their board who are rebels in African countries, who have spoken out in the violent overthrow of their governments, etc? This is especially true in Nigeria, where his company has a claim for billions of dollars of oil exploitation in that country, if only they can get rid of the current government.

So I would prefer it if we looked at Wilson as potentially someone who wants something, just like many others who court favors of politicians. The guy isn't a boy scout, and it's useless trying to depict him as such.

I think you possibly have not followed the Wilsons as some of us have. I started feeling a bit uneasy and queasy, at least about Joe Wilson, long before Obama was even a glimmer in my eye.

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Joe's published revelation about yellowcake did not stop us from going into Iraq, but it did make him famous. Figure it out.

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Wow, I didn't even recognize Joe without the mullet.

hillary finally figured out how unpopular the war is! isn't that sweet?

Way too little... way too late!

I can't blame Joe Wilson for wanting a position in another Clinton administration. But because of that I have never been able to see his vitriolic criticisms of Obama as anything like objective. They were in fact pure hatchet-jobs going far beyond fair criticism of Obama.

Wilson's main point has been that it was easy for Obama to oppose the war because he was not actually in the Senate to vote for it.

On the other hand, he maintains that Hillary was duped by Bush into voting for the war. Wilson has never explained why she has never repudiated her vote for the war afterwards.

Ironically, this very day, former Sen. Graham of Florida said Hillary lost the primary because of her vote for the war.

OOPS!

"Wilson's main point has been that it was easy