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Meanwhile, In Indiana...
With 33% reporting, Hillary is ahead of Obama, 57%-43%.
Meanwhile, the exits show that in Indiana Hillary continues to outperform among working class voters:
Barack Obama's troubles with white working class voters continue to cost him dearly at the polls: Hillary Clinton captured the votes of two-thirds of Indiana voters who lack a college degree; the two split the white college-educated vote.Clinton's push for the gun vote seems to have paid off: half the state's Democratic primary voters are gun owners, according to early exit polls, they supported Clinton over Obama, 61 to 39 percent.
Late Update: It should be noted that Obama got 91% of blacks in North Carolina and 92% of them in Indiana.
Late Update: Hillary's margin is expected to narrow as votes come in from the area near Chicago and from Indianapolis.
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Come on.
No one has done more for Indianans than Barack Obama.
May 6, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
"the exits show that in Indiana Hillary continues to outperform among working class voters..."
Except, of course, that she doesn't
From CNN's exit polls:
Age Clinton Obama
17-29 39% 61%
30-44 44% 56%
45-59 52% 47%
That translates into a clear majority of the working class for Obama, with Hillary primarily strong amongst retired voters and women.
Why can't Hillary Clinton win the vote of working Americans?!
May 6, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
" the two split the white college-educated vote..."
If by split you mean that CNN's exit polls indicate that won the college educated vote by 12%.
It's a split, of sorts, but hardly an even one.
May 6, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes and obama outperforms among black voters. what the hell is the obsession with working class white people?
May 6, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's what we all aspire to be. Salt of the earth and all that. Even black folks hope to one day be rural, white working class. Who wouldn't? I'm personally injecting all my cash into a burned-out trailer in the nearest cornfield so that I, too, can join with these elite decision-makers.
May 6, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your avatar is from Slaughterhouse-Five yes?
May 6, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yessir. Good eye.
May 6, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy Pilgrim!
May 6, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love that comment.
May 6, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
delaying the inevitable IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
May 6, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Love it when you customize, idiotic!
May 6, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pimp that ride, Idiotic!
May 6, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why Brother I. You're positively giddy tonight!
May 6, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
The longer they take to call it, the better for BO
May 6, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looking at the counties reporting so far, Obama's strongholds have yet to report in any large margin. I'm confident Hillary will win IN, but by about 3-5 points only.
May 6, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
What channel is the primary on?
May 6, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are u serious?
May 6, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
HGTV.
May 6, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
UHF 69, but you'll need rabbit ears, and a 90-ohm bedistor.
May 6, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!!!!!!!!
May 6, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think I just ate a set of rabbit ears.
At least I think they were the ears.
Meheheheh.
May 6, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Discovery Channel
May 6, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indianapolis, Bloomington, and Gary votes haven't came in yet in Indiana. These cities are on Obama's rack.
It's going to be close,
May 6, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. Im waiting to see those city's numbers.
May 6, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's education, stupid.
May 6, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm, I wonder why half of her supporters won't for Obama. Think......real hard.
May 6, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because they're republicans planning to vote for whoever Rush and FAUX tell them to vote for?
~
May 6, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dipshit
No, actually she is winning more self indentified Democrats. Look in the mirror and say something, (anything), and there is your answer.
May 6, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really?
In NC where they have a semi-closed primary (i.e. no GOP chaos voters) he is mopping the floor with her.
May 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think your use of profanity is uncalled for.
You're coming off as a poor loser, and skating on the edge of being ban-worthy, frankly.
May 6, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
They'll vote for Obama.
May 6, 2008 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
interesting info from a reader of Andrew Sullivan's blog:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/indiana-things.html
May 6, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you! Very helpful.
May 6, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
CBS has just called Indiana for Hillary.
May 6, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. I saw that, Buts its a little strange because looking by the county results as they are coming in, its seems like it will be pretty close. He has been outperforming projections in a lot of counties and underperforming in only some of the smaller counties. It certainly looks as if Clinton will win but the numbers don't seem definitive to me yet.
May 6, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
The white working class voter ...
I wish someone would throttle that stupid meme already.
Matthews is a fucking idiot, worse, he drones on and on.
May 6, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's unpleasant. He from a different age, called "The Middle".
May 6, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's idiotic, but since they insist - let's consider just how many white working class voters there are.
And what is a working class voter?
This is asinine - depending on whatever you set as the measure, there are not that many "working class" white Americans any more because we don't manufacture shit anymore.
Seriously - what exactly are they talking?
O wait, I know - SHIT - that's what they're talking.
May 6, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
The critical thing you need to know about the white working class voter is that the likes of Tweety and Dave Broder channel their very thoughts.
So whatever Tweety and the Wanker think, it's the same as the white working class voter.
~
May 6, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's of course, true. Bobo in particular seems to channel the entire Heartland.
May 6, 2008 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
From his perch in his fine leather chair in his office in Manhattan, out the windows of which he can everything that matters.
:)
May 6, 2008 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
"the exits show that in Indiana Hillary continues to outperform among working class voters..."
Except, of course, that she doesn't, according to CNN's exit polls:
That translates into a clear majority of the working class for Obama, with Hillary primarily strong amongst retired voters and women.
This whole "working class" argument is bunk!
May 6, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most of the working class is retired. Nobody at my job works.
May 6, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm trying to figure out how knocking back shots and drinking McCain under the table has come to be seen as a positive--do we want an alcoholic answering the phone at 3:00 AM???
May 6, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just had an eureka moment - I know how she's going to top those two stunts - she's going to grab a stack of ones and hit the strip clubs.
You watch - she'll be photographed with a big ol' cigar in her mouth (yeah I know) stuffing bills in some pole dancer's g-string.
May 6, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's gonna make it rain!!!!!!
May 6, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, sure. We've had an alcoholic picking up the phone for 7+ years now. We like a president who can talk real plain-like. Too many neurons kills the deal.
May 6, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its a PR outreach to the the testicular fortitudinal voter from the GOP side. Of couse, they also happen to be the Rush-induced voter, but hey, that's ok.
May 6, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
From another site:
Will Hillary knock her front teeth out, tell the voters that Bill is really her cousin, tease her hair way up and start slugging moonshine with the coal miners????
How else can she "appeal" to the voters?
May 6, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary, talking awfully breezy about NC just four days ago:
Ouch.
May 6, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a fool believes she sees, the wise man has the power to reaon away.
May 6, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
She believes it's never going away... Not her baby...
May 6, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
actually, that was michael mcdonald, not kenny loggins. i'm ashamed that i know that.
May 6, 2008 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Loggins co-wrote it though, and he did a live version, and also a studio version for the Nightwatch album.
May 6, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You win this time, Loggins.
May 6, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Always bet on Loggins.
May 6, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops, wrong doobie. It happens.
May 6, 2008 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michael McDonald was to the Doobie Brothers what Yoko Ono was to the Beatles.
The kiss of death.
May 6, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy shit, that avatar is amazing.
MIND = BLOWN.
May 6, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Enjoy it now, it will be changing soon. I expect gotalife will hide under a rock after tonight.
May 6, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
She didn't mean to say North Carolina. She wanted to say Indiana, but she misremembered where she was.
May 6, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
If BO did in TX or OH what he did in IN - shelf the big rallies and get personal - he may have won either TX and kept it close in OH.
This shows his campaign's ability to evaluate itself and make changes. his campaign has figured out what was wrong and fixed it. IN could have been a blow out win for Hillary had he not change tactics.
May 6, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama DID win Texas. My primary voted counted as 2/3 of a vote, and my caucus activity counted as 1/3 of a vote. Because we got off our backsides and caucused, Obama won Texas.
May 6, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you.
I posted that again yesterday in all caps, 3 times.
Still they won't get it.
Obama won Texas.
May 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I did notice that CNN had Texas in stripes.
May 6, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why does Hillary not have a black problem? A Democrat can absolutely not win without the black vote, and there is much more reason to think that she has a black problem than Obama having a white problem.
And I'd just like to point out that every single Limbaugh Democrat is probably white, and voting for Hillary, inflating not only her overall numbers, but especially her white low-education numbers
May 6, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
And those people will vote Republican in November regardless of who the Democratic nominee is - betcha.
May 6, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because the media assume whichever Dem takes the nomination has the black vote in the tank, er, bag. They see this mystical rural, white, working class person as being some sort of swing voter. Yet these crackers predictably vote for the guy (or gal) who eats the pork rinds, every single time. I say this as a genetic descendent of this rural white voting bloc. But I had my fill of Appalachia and went West, as young men are often compelled to do.
May 6, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lux, I hate that this ends up being a black vs. white issue. Isn't the issue that they both have serious obstacles? She has a serious problem. He has an equally serious problem - he is missing the white, working class vote, the hispanic vote, the asian vote.
Also, it's pretty elitist to cast aside the "low-educated" Democrats. Are the working class, and those with less access to education, the ones we should be fighting for? Don't forget our roots. They're in fighting for racial *and* economic justice.
May 6, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love how Lisa Caputo (Hillary surrogate) says "Senator Obama is to be congratulated" but then doesn't actually congratulate him, in fact goes on to minimize his victory in NC.
May 6, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah I love that shit, too. Petty ain't in it.
May 6, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Teena, you're doublin' down on the Texas talk.
ain't and innit. I'm impressed!
May 6, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena. One e.
May 6, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
It really is over.
May 6, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary has not won Indiana yet.
Obama has been doing better than expected in Hillary strongholds and his big areas have not reported yet.
Monsters Inc needs a huge win in Indiana to be able to continue their charade. Could we be seeing the end tonight?
May 6, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's splits college educated white vote with Obama. She is a HUGE success with the less educated.
May 6, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg,
Is Clinton broke? Again?
Ben Smith:
Ruh-roh.
May 6, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
woah. that's interesting.
May 6, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hush now, Greg only steno's the spin that Wolfson catapults in his extra-special conference calls. Such things as having loaned her campaign more money (bogus claims of "$10 Million in 72 hours after PA" anyone?) are impolite things to actually dig into don'tcha know?
May 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
i think HRC sees the handwritting on the wall. After tonight BO will pick up more delegates. The hill got harder to climb. I think she will drop out before the May 13 primary
May 6, 2008 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
MSNBC: BO camp thinks nomination will be wrapped up by May 20th
May 6, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Woo Hoo... I like the sound of the prospect of my state of Oregon delivering the coup de grâce.
May 6, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has done a great job of galvanizing the race-based voter.
He should be very proud today.
May 6, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm glad you are starting to accept Clinton's defeat. Nominee Obama welcomes your vote in November.
May 6, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Never said that. I'll leave that up to her. I still support her because regardless of today's outcome I believe she is the best candidate.
May 6, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I give you credit for being brave enough to show up in this thread (unlike some other Clinton supporters). If Clinton asks you to support Obama, I hope you will.
May 6, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
wait, I have some kleenex here somewhere...
May 6, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you whacking off to Obama?
May 6, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chocking a chicken?
How ironic.
May 6, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the gender based vote? or the age based vote?
How many delegates does Clinton have to win to get the nomination at this point?
One last one, when Obama is the Dem nominee, will you be voting for him in November?
May 6, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
The question is:
Would I support a candidate who has a huge recist constituency supporting him?
Is that what you mean?
May 6, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's just try to get the spelling right ....
The question is:
Would I support a candidate who has a huge racist constituency supporting him?
Is that what you mean?
May 6, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you looking to have Godwin's Law invoked?
May 6, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh?
I was asking if you will vote for Obama in November when he is the Dem nominee?
They are fairly straight forward hypotheticals, no Nazi's invoked.
May 6, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!
- E. Cartman
May 6, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why should Fogu2 not cross the road?
[insert answer here]
May 6, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because he will get ran over by Obama-Momentum!!!
May 6, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama hasn't even said the word "black" since PA!
May 6, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Race, schmace; he's the best presidential candidate we've had in my considerable lifetime. Also the first African-American prez candidate I've voted for.
May 6, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is you, once the superdelegates chime in over the next few days...
May 6, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, STOP! you took a poll result referring to "working class WHITE voters" and said it was about "working class voters".
When you say "working class voters" you should be including black working class voters --as far as I know there are many black working class voters.
Do it right. I see this in the media a lot, identifying working class voters (but excluding black voters from that metric).
Bad news man. Fix it.
May 6, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its over!
Its over!
Its over!
Its over!
May 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Howard Finemen on MSNBC is writing a new narrative that is closing the books on Sen Clinton. The math doth do her in.
May 6, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
o not that I like Howie, but
goodygoodygoodygoodygoodygoodygoody!!!!!!
May 6, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
O, the celestial choir is singing:
It's OVER, it's OVER now it's OVER, it's OUR turn now it's OVER Hill's game is shut down.
May 6, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bloomington, Indianapolis, those counties up top to the west, those counties down south too...I love you!!! Thank you!!!
(The Jeopardy question to the answer: What Hillary won't be saying tonight).
May 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
She won't thank Obama for running a good campaign.
She won't say she's out of the race.
She won't say that the final number is 2025.
May 6, 2008 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
O my she does have it bad.
she's got a whole ton of dirt on that shoulder.
May 6, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
IT'S ALL OVER!
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom!
May 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
The last big population center for Clinton just came in (Evansville) and she only beat Obama by 1,000 votes there. What is left that will go Clinton's way are all small, rural precincts.
The first of the big counties up north just came in, and Obama is getting a good spread. Once more of Indianapolis is in and we see how Gary and Lake go, we'll see whether and how quickly the gap closes.
May 6, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy shit!
It really could be over!!!!!!!!
May 6, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
CBS called IN for HRC! WTF? what do they know that we dont?
May 6, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps not much.
They may live to regret that call, and the ensuing "nothing is changed after tonight" commentary.
May 6, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The target audience of CBS went to bed an hour ago. Nothing to see here.
May 6, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Probably paying too much attention to exit polls, not enough to relative turnout in various regions that haven't even come in yet...
May 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
92% of them? you mean "the blacks." without rehashing a different kind of 90's culture wars, i wish "writers" would begin to understand how degrading this "the blacks" language is. it is just as annoying as "the jews" and i wish it annoyed "whites" more. i'm not trying to police anybody's language....say what the hell you want... just expressing that i don't like it. the operative word is people as long as this country insists on being stuck in the non-scientific... white people, black people, jewish people, etc. this plural-- like when you sort loads of laundry-- paints a facile monolithic view of the complex history and culture that we all bring to the table. greg, wish you were a more thoughtful writer; josh, i wish you had more time to help these guys out more.
and by the way, why is this "Obama's problem" with middle-class white people? seems to me that the story is white peopl'e problems with Obama, and this will come into high relief in KY, where he will be blown out for the first time all primary season---the only thing that will possibly account for the margin will be race. And the newsflash shoudl be, for anyone with "cajones," that Jeremiah Wright didn't invent racism.
gkp
May 6, 2008 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's almost as bad as "those people". Maybe as bad or worse.
Whenever you hear "those people", you just know some prejudice or stereotype is about to follow.
May 6, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. I honestly wish the whole racial voting divide bullshit would stop.
I don't think it's a valid model and I think it's rather insulting to all of us - all Democratic voters.
May 6, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
yeah.
And everytime they roll that meme through, they throw us as a Party into the gutter.
The meme obviously serves someones interests. It's not the Dem Party, however.
anyways, this board is too sluggish. Must tbe loaded with lots of incoming
I'm out. See ya'll tomorrow.
I hope gotalife will be ok.
May 6, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear you, and agree wholeheartedly.
May 6, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who cares about working class whites vs. blacks vs. retired vs. first-time voters?
Which candidate are uncircumcised men voting for?
(Sorry, I've been through a grueling ordeal with the foreskin fundamentalists over at Sadly No and it just seemed like another poll statistic we should know.)
May 6, 2008 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am sure Marc Penn is working up a big micro-trend poll to show that those are the only votes that count.
May 6, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad they don't cut it!
(going to hell, I know...)
May 6, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a pole statistic.
May 6, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Down to 8% spread in IN with 52% in...
May 6, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton lead shrinking fast in IN.
May 6, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
You took the words right out of my mouth.
May 6, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
CNN map shows none of the Obama strongholds in the NW reporting yet.
May 6, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
O guys - this is too cool -
May 6, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where's gotnolife?
))))))))))))))))-crickets-(((((((((((((((((
May 6, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's busy throwing food at his TV.
May 6, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama has moved closer to the nomination." -- Patrick Jockstrap Buchanan. Ah, musn't dis the messanger...unles it's Pat....
May 6, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Talkleft is down. Heh.
May 6, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
North Carolina is looking like a full-blown can of whoop ass at this point. 28 points. No way she can stay in if that margin holds.
May 6, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
It sucks out any remaining wind in the rediculous popular vote argument. Her gains in PA have been erased, and this spread means real gains.
May 6, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh Yeah!
May 6, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I bet it gets a little tighter, but not within 20. Destroys her "popular vote" idiocy, too.
May 6, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Norah O'Donnell, even pregnant, is still HOT.
May 6, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah baby!
May 6, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
My diaper pin is missing.
May 6, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Paul Bagalla is on CNN and he looks like he wants to cry. Meanwhile CNN is acting as if BO win tonight wasnt significant.
May 6, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Norah was actually SURPRISED that a big majority of republican's voting in the Dem primary think that Obama could be beat McCain?! How out of touch is she?
May 6, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG, big spat on CNN just now between Donna Brazille and a Hillary Clinton support. The HRC supported asked if people like Aryes and Rev Wright will be in BO administration. Donna Brazile wouldnt have none of that. It got a bit testy.
May 6, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Classy.
May 6, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
OOoo - catfight!
LOL!
I can get away with that - I'm a cat, too.
I'm lovin it - a catfight over Hillary - I wonder if - o I can't say that.
nevermind.
May 6, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, this means Hillary's campaign has even managed to turn the DLC against each other.
May 6, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
CBS just called IN for HRC but so far they are the only one.
May 6, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG?! Do voters really want Bill Ayers made Secretary of Domestic Terrorism?
GIVE ME A BREAK, LOSER.
May 6, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Sen Clinton was right - this election really is a game changer. Not for the Clinton v Obama race; that one stays pretty much the same after tonight (Clinton down so far that she cannot possibly win, but vowing to fight on nonetheless). This election was a game changer for that other great battle of this primary season: SUSA vs Zogby.
Zogby has been the Clinton of this race so far - lot's of money, lots of name recognition but outperformed again and again by its sleeker, more savy rival. In PA, however, Zogby came closer to the correct prediction in its last poll than SUSA (Zogby's final poll said Clinton by 10; SUSA's final poll said Clinton by 6; the reality was Clinton by 9). Tonight Zogby looks likely to pick up two big wins. SUSA was predicting NC by 5, while Zogby was predicting NC by 14. SUSA was predicting IN by 12, while Zogby was predicting IN for Obama by 2. As the returns come in, the results look very good for Zogby.
May 6, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
My thoughts exactly. I would still be shocked if Zogby actually nailed it, but so far it looks like his numbers are going to be a lot closer to reality.
Which is of course EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
May 6, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most of the AA vote in IN has not yet been counted, and Chuck Todd admits there exist models where Obama could win.
May 6, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks bad for Clinton - Harold Ford is waffling.
May 6, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Harold Ford trying to kiss Obama's ass now after he threw him under the bus over the past months on the Hill DLC wagon.
May 6, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Harold Ford and the rest of the Clinton bots are starting to realize that they backed the wrong horse. They know that they are up shit creek.
May 6, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
He had best get in line, there are going to many puckering up in the coming weeks. Obama will forgive.
May 6, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's hope he's way back in line.
Harold Ford is useless, AFAIC.
May 6, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton lead down to 6% and under 50k.
May 6, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
South Bend just came in - not much of a spread for Obama. Less than 5%.
Absent a truly wild margin in Gary and in Bloomington, it'll be hard for him to take this one. But I'm betting HRC's margin ends up south of 5, and almost no delegate spread.
May 6, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where you get that South Bend is reporting?
CNN still shows 0% reporting for St. Jospeh county.
May 6, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
On line at CNN, I see about 33,000 to 30,000 for St. Joseph - I was hoping for better.
May 6, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
CNN had their map not updating as fast as their tables. 6% spread is not a disaster, but 10% margin would have made it possible for Obama to win outright. Still waiting to see how the rest of the Indy area turns out and Bloomington (as you noted) could still close this to a narrow margin in the end.
May 6, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
We're down to HRC 53, BHO 47. And that's with a third of the vote still to come in for Indianapolis and ALL of Lake County. This could be really good.
May 6, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
In response to the late update, it is still 0% reporting in Lake County, home of Gary, IN. Obama could still put up a big margin there, enough to make this a VERY close race.
May 6, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh wow, isn't Gary a hugely African American town?
May 6, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's what Greg would call a city containing no working class.
May 6, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
With all due Respect to the TROLL GOATLIFE he can go to 7734!!!What do ya say now GOAT you BAD TROLL!She didn`t get the JOB done did she whats the matter GOAT cat got your ***???
May 6, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
HRC better give a real concession speech tonight --"We tried but Sen. Obama beat us" kind of speech.
May 6, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
HuffPo has crashed.
Kos reports an NC Super commiting tonight to the next POTUS!
May 6, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
they are back up
May 6, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, where's Gotalife at? I want to hear his thoughts on Bill Clinton's rural NC campaigning. Looks like it made a huge difference in that election.
May 6, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL, I was thinking the same thing.
May 6, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
65% reporting and it is down to 6% spread... and we still have no precincts reporting yet from Lake county (Gary IN & southeast edge of the Chicago metro area) and nothing from St. Joseph county (South Bend).
Could CBS end up with egg on their face?
May 6, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
St. Joseph is in, not much of a spread.
But most of Bloomington is out, Indy and Hamilton county to the North of Indy still have a lot to report, and Tippecanoe has some population and could go for Obama.
May 6, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
CNN's damn county map was still showing 0% reporting in St. Joseph, but the table by counties shows it reporting 100%. Still 6% spread in St. Joseph is not a disaster.
May 6, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama spoils us with the spread sometimes. 6% is not bad, but it's not what is happening in Indianapolis. ;)
May 6, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
In my estimation of what remains out in Indiana, I expect that Hillary will end up with around 52% of the vote. That will do nothing for her in the overall national campaign picture. She has now run out of large states, so she no longer has any chance to overtake Senator Obama in the selected delegate count.
May 6, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, Greg:
So I guess those 90 percent of the blacks voting for Obama aren't "working class"?
Seriously, I find it bizarre that Greg Sargent is falling into this racially suspicious language...
May 6, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally. In this whole primary season, the media talks about black people only as black -- they don't count as women, they don't count as men, they don't count as oldies, they don't count as oldies, they don't count as educated, they only ever count for their skin color.
May 6, 2008 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn Severus - they've all been doing it and I find it bizarre too.
May 6, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is going to be closer than six.
We'll see.
May 6, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did CBS call Indiana for Clinton to give Hillary the chance to say she won Indiana, when in fact its too early to call.
Just think about that.
May 6, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
CBS news dept has been gutted. I think all their election center has left is an abacus.
May 6, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now THAT was funny!
May 6, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
In Indiana and North Carolina Obama got 40% of the white votes -- an improvement from Ohio and Pa. And he is up 10 points with Catholic voters -- 41%. And 68% say Obama shares their values.
Each contest Obama improves his standing with white voters.
In Pennsylvania in less than 3 weeks Obama cut into her 20 plus point lead by over 10 points. He gained among:
HRC's core supporters
60 + years
white men and women
lower income
Protestants
And again today he did it again!
In Indiana and North Carolina Obama got 40% of the white votes -- an improvement from Ohio and Pa. And he is up 10 points with Catholic voters -- 41%. And 68% say Obama shares their values.
Consistently with each new contest Obama improves his standing with voters.
Clinton, in contrast, has not.
That is very cool.
May 6, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton has closed to 20% in NC. Maybe she will hold the loss down, but it hardly matters.
May 6, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indiana is now too close to call.
May 6, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indiana now too close to call!
May 6, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
"This primary election on Tuesday is a game changer. This is going to make a huge difference in what happens going forward. The entire country -- probably even a lot of the world -- is looking to see what North Carolina decides," - Senator Hillary Clinton.
Let's all just let that soak in for a second...
May 6, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
soakity-soak....I see....good night nurse!
May 6, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's 3am here, so I've got to get to bed, but looking at all the Obama-favored territory still coming in (Monroe and Marion counties still have ca. 80 thousand outstanding, Lake county hasn't reported anything yet and could have 120-150 thousand), there's an outside chance Obama could pull off a squeaker. At best I see Clinton only winning by 3 or 4 points.
Good Night!! I'll be sleepy well... :o)
May 6, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gute Nacht.
May 6, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did Obama just concede Indiana to Clinton, it's NOT OVER YET!!! ;} ??
May 6, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Based only on his Democratic Party will unify remarks, I think their exits show that he will lose Indiana, but only by maybe three or four percent - which would be a devastating blow to Hillary. Mathematically she needed way more than ten, but psychologically, she would have been happy with ten. I'm interested to see where she goes with her speech.
May 6, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nah, Obama's got a ton of votes still coming in. Mecklenberg County, where Charlotte is, hasn't come in yet, and it's going to go for Obama like 65-35. And Guilford and Forsyth both have a TON of votes still to come in, and Obama's winning 70-30 there. He'll end up with more than a 20-point margin unless there's one giant Hillary stronghold out there that isn't evident.
May 6, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
MSNBC just downgraded IN to TOO CLOSE TO CALL!
IN is in PLAY! Woot! Even if she squeeks it out, it will be close!!!!
GoBama!
Yes We Can!!!!!!!!
May 6, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell Yes We Can!
May 6, 2008 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Them? Them?
Jeezus, just fix your stupid update, Greg, and don't mention demographics ever again.
May 6, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Question: If Hilary got out of the way, how well would Barak do winning those voters that now say they "would never" vote for him? My prediction: once she leaves the race, he'll be better able to win over those "Hilary or nothing and I'm voting McCain" voters in a substantial way. Given his record so far, I think he can do it.
The big clue to where this election really is going is how vigorous Rush has been banging the drum to push Republicans to cross over and vote for Hillary to make her the candidate instead of Obama. Are they THAT afraid of Obama? Really - they need to encourage Republicans (of which I used to be one of!) to vote for Hilary because they are AFRAID of the other candidate? That's a first (Reagan is now spinning in his grave). They should be ashamed.
I believe that if Hilary steps aside and throws her support to Obama, the majority of her supporters will follow. Any "hard core" "Billary robots" CAN be won over by Obama once they have a chance to clear their heads and realize WHAT A TERRIBLE DECISION IT WOULD BE TO LET MCCAIN WIN IN NOVEMBER. Once Hillary steps aside, we can go after McCain in unison and welcome a Democrat into the White House in January and TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY, OUR RIGHTS AND THE FUTURE! However, if we let Hilary "steal" this election, come the fall, the Republicans (oh - now Lincoln is rolling over in his grave) will unload on Hilary and Bill - DO WE REALLY WANT TO GO THERE???? Does anyone really believe that the Republicans will treat Monica, Rosegate, Travelgate, Bill's impeachment, etc. as "old news"? Let us not forget: there is a huge demographic of NEW voters that are not familiar with the "Clinton years". The Republicans are salivating over going to war against Hilary. To them, she is an "easy target". She talks about the "Nuclear Option" against Obama? Let's just say that come the fall if Hilary is the Democratic nominee, the Republicans will be gleeful in dropping the "Nuclear option" on Hilary and Bill (remember: "two for one").
It's time to end this and go after McCain!
May 6, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
52-48!
May 6, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Without Lake County! C'mon Obama!
May 6, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go, them!
May 6, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another chunk came in in Indy, knocking a couple more percent off the spread.
If only Lake can be like Indy...
May 6, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Lake and Monroe can squeeze 40k vote margin towards Obama, he can win it.
May 6, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
FOUR POINTS IN INDIANA!
May 6, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's still possible to knock her out!
May 6, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Coolness! Getting very interesting...
May 6, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even if he doesn't knock her out - 4 points! And a big spread in NC.
It's a good night.
May 6, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
It'll be a 1pt net gain for her?
At that pace she'll overtake him just in time for the 2012 election.
May 6, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lake should be a bigger margin than Indy... And Indy still has 16 percent to come in. And like all of Monroe. I'm still expecting the spread to increase in North Carolina - a whole lot of some very big counties still coming in.
May 6, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone know what it means when MSNBC says 73% of the vote is in, in Indiana? Does that mean 73% of the precincts reporting or 73% of the vote?
May 6, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Precincts. They can't tell how many votes will make up the whole until the end.
May 6, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
more on this "racial breakdown" nonsense... it is just so disrespectful to the hundreds of thousands of "latino voters" (40%) and "white working class voters" (35%) and "senior voters" (35%) who have voted for obama to essentially discount their votes. they do not exist, just as the 105k (to clinton's 112k) voters in new hampshire who don't really count after the media spins that primary as a great comeback. this is all about creating a narrative and has nothing to do with what will happen after the democratic nominee, with most likely a white man on the ticket, campaigns against the republican nominee for three months. the narrative does not reflect what's really happening in homes and precincts all over the country-- it simply gives simpletons something to write about and say over the airwaves until the next convenient narrative comes along.
gkp
May 6, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
73% of the precincts. Almost all of HRC's counties are in. The only ones left have just a few thousand votes. The bulk of the votes left: Indianapolis and Lake County which is part of Metro Chicago.
This is going down to the wire.
May 6, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
There was an article saying that less than 6% win(I think) would end up being like a 1 point gain. If the bulk of the votes are in Indianapolis and Lake County, this is going to be tight. Gary, Indiana is in Lake County - population 97,000 and 84% African American.
May 6, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
A 1 delegate gain, rather.
May 6, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
holy shit!
May 6, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
A big win in NC for Obama and either a narrow win or a loss in IN for Clinton. Zogby's looking like a genius now. And, there is no amount of spin that would convince anybody that this was a good outcome for Hillary. Oh well, her 'victory' speech should be entertaining.
May 6, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Each tick of the clock IN goes undecided is a bell tolling. There will be no balloons, streamers, and Chelsea and Bubbuh...it's over.
Harold Ford now tries to sell us Obama/Clinton.
May 6, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
he will will Indiana
May 6, 2008 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink