McCain: Okay, Ahmadinejad Isn't The Only Leader Of Iran
Yesterday we had a bit of fun with John McCain's claim that Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the leader of Iran.
McCain has been whacking Barack Obama for his willingness to meet with Ahmadinejad, presumably focusing specifically on Ahmadinejad because he's the anti-semitic crackpot in Iran who's most visible to the American people.
But the other day journalist Joe Klein grilled McCain, asking him why he keeps parroting the name Ahmadinejad when many experts think Iranian foreign policy is in fact controlled by supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei. McCain scoffed at this notion.
But now here's an excerpt from McCain's latest statement out today hitting Obama on Iran...
"He now claims that some 'fear' to 'negotiate' with the likes of Iranian President Ahmadinejad, who has called Israel a 'stinking corpse' or Ayatollah Khamenei, who called Israel a 'cancerous tumor.' I have news for Senator Obama: I have met some very bad people before in my life. It is not fear that drives my opposition to unconditional meetings with Ahmadinejad, Khamenei, Kim Jong Il, and Raul Castro..."
Khamenei exists! Ahmadinejad isn't the only leader of Iran, after all! McCain said so himself. Glad that's settled.
Looks like McCain took Klein's lesson to heart. Sort of, anyway.
Late Update: McCain's full statement after the jump.
"After Senator Obama's own advisors and supporters backtracked from his stated desire to hold summit meetings with the leaders of the world's worst regimes, Senator Obama himself has begun to reinterpret his stand. He now claims that some 'fear' to 'negotiate' with the likes of Iranian President Ahmadinejad, who has called Israel a 'stinking corpse' or Ayatollah Khamenei, who called Israel a 'cancerous tumor.' I have news for Senator Obama: I have met some very bad people before in my life. It is not fear that drives my opposition to unconditional meetings with Ahmadinejad, Khamenei, Kim Jong Il, and Raul Castro; rather it is my clear understanding that such a course will fail to eliminate the threat posed by these rogue regimes. I don't fear to negotiate. Instead I have the knowledge and experience to understand the dangerous consequences of a naive approach to Presidential summits based entirely on emotion."The question before the American people is which candidate is best able to secure the peace for the next generation of Americans, a peace that will keep our nation safe, prosperous and free. Senator Obama's desire to meet unconditionally in his first year at the presidential level with Iranian leaders is reckless, and demonstrates poor judgment that will make the world more dangerous. With respect to Cuba, it is not America that needs to make unilateral concessions to the Castros -- a 'gesture of good faith' as Senator Obama said yesterday -- it is the Castro brothers who must allow the freedom they have so long denied to the Cuban people. Free the political prisoners, open the media, allow people to worship, schedule free and fair elections, and the United States will be happy to meet and talk. Until then, we cannot compromise our principles.
"Senator Obama has consistently offered his judgment on Iraq, and he has been consistently wrong. He said that General Petraeus' new strategy would not reduce sectarian violence, but would worsen it. He was wrong. He said the dynamics in Iraq would not change as a result of the 'surge.' He was wrong. One year ago, he voted to cut off all funds for our forces fighting extremists in Iraq. He was wrong. Sectarian violence has been dramatically reduced, Sunnis in Anbar province and throughout Iraq are cooperating in fighting al Qaeda in Iraq, and Shi'ite extremist militias no longer control Basra -- the Maliki government and its forces do. British and Iraqi forces now move freely in areas that were controlled by Iranian-backed militias. The fight against al Qaeda in Mosul is succeeding in further weakening that deadly terrorist group, and many key leaders have been killed or captured. As General Petraeus said last month, 'As we combat AQI we must r emember that doing so not only reduces a major source of instability in Iraq, it also weakens an organization that Al Qaeda's senior leaders view as a tool to spread its influence and foment regional instability.' Iraqi forces have moved unopposed into Sadr City, a development the New York Times characterized today as a 'dramatic turnaround' as the government of Prime Minister Maliki 'advanced its goal of establishing sovereignty and curtailing the powers of the militias.'
"We continue to face challenges in Iraq, and we have a lot of work ahead. Yet the American people must ask whether we are more or less likely to succeed there if Senator Obama has his way. Each of these positive developments in Iraq is the direct result of the new strategy that Senator Obama opposed. Senator Obama consistently predicted the new strategy would fail, and at every step events have demonstrated his judgment was consistently wrong. He now says that he intends to withdraw combat troops from Iraq -- one to two brigades per month until they are all removed -- regardless of the conditions in Iraq, irrespective of the consequences for our national security, and despite the best advice of our commanders on the ground. He is wrong again, and the American people deserve a President who has the strength, judgment and experience to keep our country safe and secure."





Comments (56)
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May 21, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's alright, Greg. What's with all these Reps and Dems attacking each other lately? So many little quarrels going on, you almost forget that their running for president. But, the results from this election poll have just been posted. More than 3000 people have voted this week, see who out of ALL the candidates pulled out in first.
http://www.votenic.com
May 21, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, please kill this spammers account.
May 21, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, possible to post the rest of McCain's quote? If not fear, then what drives his opposition to unconditional meetings?
Waiting with baited breath.
May 21, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
yeah...i was just gonna ask him myslef for the complete quote...
May 21, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
will do. one sec
May 21, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
On your post about HRC's debt, you've incorrectly calculated her net debt. Instead of backing out $10MM (the amount loaned as of April 30, 2008), you backed out $11.4MM, which includes the $1.4MM loaned in May.
May 21, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, I do my best to stick up for you, and I know our business is slamming McCain right or wrong, but nobody from the West has ever negotiated with Khamenei, right? I mean McCain is senile and probably forgot that point. Oh never mind.
May 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
They always have those meetings in the most boring places, I mean, Oslo, Yalta, Dayton....who the heck wants to go to Ohio and sit in a conference room with a bunch of Iranians?
May 21, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain: "After Senator Obama's own advisors and supporters backtracked from his stated desire to hold summit meetings with the leaders of the world's worst regimes, Senator Obama himself has begun to reinterpret his stand. He now claims that some 'fear' to 'negotiate' with the likes of Iranian President Ahmadinejad, who has called Israel a 'stinking corpse' or Ayatollah Khamenei, who called Israel a 'cancerous tumor.' I have news for Senator Obama: I have met some very bad people before in my life. It is not fear that drives my opposition to unconditional meetings with Ahmadinejad, Khamenei, Kim Jong Il, and Raul Castro; rather it is my clear understanding that such a course will fail to eliminate the threat posed by these rogue regimes."
"Senator Obama has consistently offered his judgment on Iraq, and he has been consistently wrong. He said that General Petraeus' new strategy would not reduce sectarian violence, but would worsen it. He was wrong."
May 21, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, Petraeus is a frigging genius. Iraq should be a stable Democracy in no time, and our men and women will be home by Christmas, I'm sure.
May 21, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Congratulations on mastering cut and paste functions. It's sad that all you can do is quote McCain.
May 21, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know if it'll win Action Ranger points in the McCain Trollathon though - he doesn't cover the "Time for Solutions" or "Partisanship" talking points that they're pushing today.
Maybe he simply agrees with the quote? He's been a "soft supporter" in light of the huge changes in Gotalife, for example.
May 21, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
10 McCain points!
May 21, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're being paid off. We could have done that years ago.
May 21, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
All this hair-splitting about who is the leader of Iran.
It won't matter to the bitter gun-clinging voters (also called Reagan Democrats) and Cuban-Americans.
The goal here is to paint Obama as un-American, un-patriotic appeaser, as well as the latter-sipping, inexperienced elitist.
It's not pointing out who the real leader is that should define our response.
It's not making hypocritical jokes about McCain's senile age while expressing support for senior citizen Kennedy.
May 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kennedy's brain has a malignant tumor, McCain's brain is addled. Big difference.
May 21, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama didn't respond just by saying "Hey, that's not the foreign policy leader of Iran!" That was one line of a lengthy speech. Do some research before you just start spouting your BS.
I couldn't help but notice Hillary's strong, presidential response to McCain's statements - "I lost the nomination because you're all sexist!"
May 21, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kennedy's not running for president, genius. Why would you even bring him up in the context of this discussion?
May 21, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why wouldn't it be important to know who holds power in a country in which you want to exact change? The Supreme Council holds power in Iran. Talking to Ahmedmenijad (sp?) won't accomplish what is needed. Arguing someone with little power inside a country is the reason you're against negotiations is like saying a gas tax saves people money...it's not correct and therefore one more reason a particular candidate has been shown to be less qualified to be President.
May 21, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
rather it is my clear understanding that such a course will fail to eliminate the threat posed by these rogue regimes.
riiiight. cause NOT talking to them has worked soooo well.
May 21, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bush of Putin: "I was able to get a sense of his soul."
McCain won't negotiate because he knows the future with complete certainty. That future is called 2013 and he gave a speech about it the other day.
May 21, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I were John McCain, I would never include "naive approach" and "summits based entirely on emotion" in the same sentence again. That wording will just remind people of the behavior of Bush.
May 21, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The question before the American people is which candidate is best able to secure the peace for the next generation of Americans, a peace that will keep our nation safe, prosperous and free."
The other important question is which candidate wants to secure peace more. To suggest that McCain is that candidate is laughable at best.
May 21, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Each day, I'm going to donate $50 to the Obama campaign in protest of all the fake gotalifes on this page. Every day I will donate until there are no gotalifes left but me, the real one. Who's in to match me?
May 21, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you don't have $50 a day, how about $1 for every negative post that the fake gotalife makes?
May 21, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
And after his press conference, McCain said...
"I have to go, I poopied my pants".
Sad, really.
May 21, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Activia!
May 22, 2008 5:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Woweee....
I just love this stuff. It's like McCain is doing everything in his power to remind folks that he is nothing but a continuation of Bush.
I'm sure they thought they really nailed him with this statement. I suspect the retort is going to be a thing of beauty.
May 21, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why's he referencing Charles Keating?
May 21, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
...and now I pay them to work for me. PS. I love you Charlie Black. Love, John
May 21, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I have met some very bad people before in my life."
Is this a reference to being help captive and being tortured? Is McCain's foreign policy based on an experience which has left deep psychological scars? That's much more frightening then any bloviating by Imadinnerjacket
May 21, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Foreign policy guided by PTSD.
May 22, 2008 5:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I find it extremely interesting that my fogu2 troll - "registered user" - never posts on anything that doesn't involve Obama.
Look, I may be a Clinton supporter - but this is a serious issue we need to confront as Democrats. We need to remind people that McCain's foreign policity expertise is tantamount to shoot first, ask questions later.
May 21, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, he's fucked.
First of all, he's talking about successes in Iraq. Ha ha ha!!! Yeah, the public is all over that one.
And he wants to say that success with Iran will flow from the same strategy that has resulted in success in Iraq?
He's fucked.
May 21, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
My thoughts exactly.
Hey, anyone know the over/under on number of days before McCain shuts up about foreign policy? Hopefully not before Obama has enough material to release a greatest hits album.
May 21, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. Any Iraq successes are up for debate.
There are, however, more than 4,000 failures marked with marble stones.
May 21, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
First off Mr McCain, I’m not your friend. So any time you start a sentence with “My friends,” I will assume you are not speaking to me. I also love the literary device of “I have some news for you”
Really?!?!?
May 21, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
His news, of course, regards this nifty new invention called "velcro."
It's gonna change the world!
May 21, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
mc mark, as I'm sure you know, there are serious issues at stake in this election, and serious differences between the candidates. And we will argue about them, as we should. But it should remain an argument among friends; each of us struggling to hear our conscience, and heed its demands; each of us, despite our differences, united in our great cause, and respectful of the goodness in each other.
McCain 2008
Offical Web Communicator
May 21, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
"My Friends" comment is copied verbatim from this McCain speech:
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/Speeches/e8114732-e294-4a0d-b0b6-e5fa16857f61.htm
(Wow, they are really going to try this! Good luck guys, we are pretty good with the Google.)
May 21, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think O'Bama's WAY unfair to McGeorgie. After all, Bush couldn't even get the Saudis to raise oil production for their favorite candidate (next to Bin Laden) and oil has hit 133/bbl headed for 200.
Do you really want these numbnuts talking to OUR enemies?
May 21, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just the debates to start.
May 21, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, here's some red meat for Webb watchers. He was on Morning Joe this morning:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/21/jim-webb-speaks-out-on-ra_n_102915.html
May 21, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just want the debates to start.
I don't know why I leave my verbs out so often. I'm sure a psychologist could have a good time with that quirk.
May 21, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's because you are all action T! You don't need to say it, you ARE IT!
May 21, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was just watching a McCain clip - I know I am biased but there is just something about his delivery on all of this stuff that just strikes me as very manufactured. I can't quite put my finger on it but everything that comes out of his mouth just seems like mock-outrage or trumped up enthousiasm. Maybe it is just his bad speech-giving or he is just stiff at the podium but really - how can anyone take this man seriously??
May 21, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've noticed the same thing. It's almost like he's reading his remarks and stage direction at the same time:
[RAISE VOICE FOR EMPHASIS]
The timing always seems at tad bit off and the resultant mess waaaay contrived.
May 21, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Senator Obama has consistently offered his judgment on Iraq, and he has been consistently wrong."
ummm...except for opposing the war right from the beginning...
May 21, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
McBush is going to be a failure in the debates if Obama can keep pinning on him.."Your positions are just like Bush". This connection will take a while to sink in with the under informed voter!
May 21, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I can't wait until there are debates with followups:
"And exactly how is that different from Mr. Bush's policy, Senator?"
May 21, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
People beware of the way McCain is trying to frame this issue.
Negotiation does not mean that you make concessions. Obama never said he would make any concessions, unilateral or otherwise. He said he is willing to use diplomacy.
It looks like McCain doesn't have the self confidence to negotiate. It appears that McCain can't see himself negotiating without giving in.
I think Barack is on to something. I think that McCain and the Republicans are afraid of something. Fear is not a quality that I find attractive in a President.
May 21, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is exactly right. i think the public needs to be given examples of how this works, though. The biggest misconception about negotiation is that it requires concession.
What is ironic is that all of these tin-pot dictator types actually like being shunned by the US. Makes them look tough, that somehow, the US is afraid of them. Obama's just willing to call them on it. I am sure some of these guys will try to make up excuses why they won;t meet with our leaders.
May 21, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's great for Obama to keep this feud going by any means. Every additional round where McCain talks about how bad it is to talk to any "bad people" just reminds everyone how he's exactly like Bush. No other modern president espoused such an insane policy, and even Bush hasn't actually followed it consistently (though he talks about it all the time.)
May 21, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. McCain equates talking with making a concession.
-This is as false as the claim that negotiating is a concession. It's amazing that someone who finds honor so central to his own belief system cannot see how people negotiate their own surrenders all the time, they just request the honor of being able to negotiate. Seriously talk to any professional negotiator, and they will tell you thinking of negotiation as mutual concession making is a massive misunderstanding.
-This logic explains what it is that McCain is afraid of. He is afraid of being worked. That the other side will get something he did not intend to give.
2. McCain believes being unwilling to talk unless they basically give up power will change their behavior.
-Empirically this is simply untrue, especially as a it relates to Cuba. Isolating Cuba arguably made Castro stronger, and harmed the Cuban people. We've pursued this policy for 50 years and it has been an utter failure.
-Refusing to talk is a form of punishment and disrespect. Maybe children respond to this because they want attention more than anything else, but many adversaries will respond with intransigence. Disputes will perpetuate because of this dynamic.
-It is a matter of honor. If I concede without a chance to negotiate it is a form of dishonor and people will suffer a great deal to avoid dishonoring themselves. As a POW who maintained his honor McCain understands this. He just doesn't seem to understand how many country's view us a the bully rather than the victim.
-Do we have any historical examples of when this worked.
3. McCain believes Cuba is worse than China or the Soviet Union. It was fine to talk to them without sacrificing our principles, but talking o the leader of Cuba crosses the line.
-Somehow rinky dink little Cuba threatens our way of life? Could anything be more absurd.
-And how do most of our allies in the middle east such as Egypt or Saudi Arabia stack up on the political prisoner, free press, free election, free worship metric. Not so good I imagine, but who cares so long as they are our allies. We ahve always maintained relations with
-Appeal to high principles is a little dangerous here since we all know this is the required pandering to the right-wing Cubans in Miami and New Jersey of a particular generation. Younger Cubans are apt to see the naked hypocrisy, as are Americans of any origin.
Eithe McCain honestly believes teh willingness to negotiate is a sign of weakness or this whole thing is for political effect. Paint Obama as weak, no matter what he wants to do. Chuck hagel was quoted yesterday as suspecting the latter as do I. Although it appears that he respects the use of force to a much greater extent than he does the use of diplomacy.
A last thought. What were the conditions of McCain's ultimate release from POW status? Was it because of the end of conflict, or was it negotiated prior to that? Certainly it was not a matter of North Vietnam simply capitulating to our demands.
May 21, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn solid rebuttal to McBush's dangerous and idiotic (not our beloved poster of the same name mind you) arguments.
May 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink