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Mason-Dixon: Obama Seven Points Ahead In North Carolina

A new Mason-Dixon poll of North Carolina confirms that this has state's primary has turned into a very close contest: Obama 49%, Clinton 42, a result within the five-point margin of error among 400 likely Dem primary voters.

As little as a week ago, before the re-emergence of Jeremiah Wright, Obama had double-digit leads in nearly every survey. Now, they nearly all show it to be a very close contest. Also, this poll further shows how racially-polarized the campaign is in this state: Obama has the support of 87% of blacks, while Hillary has 62% of whites.


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Since when is a 7 point lead within the 5 point margin of error? Is this Hillary math?

It's Eric "I love Hillary" Kleefeld's math.

I guess we should leave elementary math to the professionals- 3rd grade math class.

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The article really needs an edit. You don't use the MoE on each item; it's the MoE for the entire sample. The reporting surely can't stay this shoddy.

That 5 pt MOE means that either candidates numbers could very well be either 5 pts higher or 5 pts lower. In other words, within confidence interval, Obama's real % support could be 5 pts lower (44%) and Clintons could be 5 pts higher (47%) which means that she could be ahead of him. In order for the this result to be outside the margin of error he would need to be more than 10 pts ahead of her, not more than 5 pts. I hope that helps.

Sigh... great. Then what you're saying is that this is a poll where only a 10 point spread would say anything meaningful. What a freakin' waste of electrons.

That is sort of my thought as well. Anything larger than 3.5 pt MOE is little better than throwing darts at a board with candidates' names on it. This poll is mush. Still and all, Mr Kleefeld is correct to say that the difference between Clinton and Obama is within the margin of error.

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The Democratic Primary divided by race, all democrats should be proud.

Rasmussen has him winning with a blow-out there, which is what I expect. Sick of the pundits in D.C. in NYC going off a few polls and expecting what everyone knows to be a blow out to be closer than it is...

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I'm glad. Let the expectations game favor Obama for once. Have everyone expecting a close race coming into NC, and when he pulls out a 10-point win, he can play the "comeback kid" for once.

Obama picks up 3 more Illinois superdelegates:

Daley, Currie and Stroger

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/05/obama_picks_up_3_more_illinois.html

I live here, trust me. Obama wins by at least 10.Early voting has been heavy, and he has AT LEAST as big an advantage here as Clinton did in CA early voting.

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I hope you are right.

I live in Texas and felt the same way. I knew Obama would win. Yes, Obama won when the caucus' were included, but for a few weeks Hillary could claim victory.

Of course Hillary could lose by 90% and she would still claim victory, that is what she does.

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That's Excellent News! For Obama!

Seriously, it is. As recently as a few days ago, the national media had decided that there was only one contest up for grabs next week, and that it was in Indiana. The expectation was that Obama would prevail in North Carolina by a landslide, and that anything less would be a major win for Clinton.

Now, for once, the absurdity of conventional media analysis works against Clinton. Instead of receiving credit for closing a monumental gap, she's going to face a moving target of expectations. Pundits will spend the weekend talking about the Clinton surge in North Carolina, and speculating that she may even win. I suspect that as the Wright furor recedes, so will the size of Hillary's surge. Also, this ain't a rust belt state. In the South, Obama has often done fairly well among undecided voters.

So if, as I expect, Obama prevails in North Carolina by roughly a ten-point margin, the narrative will be that he fended off a determined surge from Hillary; that he turned the corner on the Wright issue; and that his definitive break with the good reverend has finally allowed his campaign to move forward.

All of which, of course, will be absurd. The real story will be that his support significantly eroded under attack. But that won't matter, any more than the inverse proposition mattered in Pennsylvania. If the two states split, that will suddenly look more like a tie than a Hillary win. And if Obama takes both, it will be an even more resounding triumph than it might otherwise have been.

Ah, the media.

Fly is baaack! Your take was badly missing these past couple of days.

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You nailed it. Clinton could also be hurt in Indiana if she doesn't reach the 8 to 9 point lead a few recent polls show her having. Expectations are a bitch.

Actually, you're right, frustrating as it is.

Do not forget the votersupperssion being run by Hillary supporters. It is not getting much coverage nationaly but must be getting play in NC. What will that do to her support?

O boy! Another "close horserace" in the Lobster Quadrille.

What a cliff hanger! Wow - down to the wire - no one knows who will win!

Except every mofo on this planet who can count.

Now that is funny!

There's only room for one running gag at TPM Election Central, and idiotic has it covered.

That goes for you too, another reader.

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the pundits are simply lowering the expectactions and I have NO problem with that.


what will happen when Hillary loses HC by double digits after all this, wow Hillary is closing she is closing!

that will be quite a momentum killer don't ya think ;)

Also, this poll was conducted Monday & Tuesday - During the Wright flap but before Obama's remarks on the topic.

I think he still needs a lot of damage control. He needs to hammer on the unity theme, the stuff that he has done for the military and that Wrights comments are wrong and divisive.

He also needs to help people understand why he stuck with this guy for 20 years.
Personally, none of this bothers me in the least but I am not the one he needs to convince.

Key difference between TX and NC primary electorates - far more black voters and far less hispanic voters in NC.

Hillary Clinton's "perfect storm" holds Obama to 52.5%, and that doesn't account for Obama's large early voting lead.

Note that even in the "close" polling, Clinton is in the low 40s. Fairly similar to Obama's PA polling. He topped out at just over 45% there, and maybe Clinton can match that performance ON ELECTION DAY. Early voting will boost Obama to at least a 10-15 point win.

That being so, I want to see a blow-out from y'all, please.


I just read this morning that turnout in the Democratic primary here was - wait for it - 99%.

Now I have to go find the link for this - I read it on a reader's diary that linked to an article that had a lot of numbers - and permutations that ultimately all lead to the same place: Obama is the nominee.

By the way - nothing else I've read has said that.

What I've read had turnout variously at the high 70s to the 80s in percentages.

I have a hard time with 99%.

Clinton's own folks set 9.2% as the benchmark for a big victory. I can promise you NC delivers a bigger margin than that.

PA is pretty much Clinton's dream state (demographically), and NC is merely very good demographically for Obama.

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I guess this means that when she looses she will be deemed "unable to close the deal" and resoundingly defeated? Will Obama's double digit win in NC be declared an incredible feat by the pundits? I am not holding my breath.

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But as already said, I love the media raising the expectations for Hillary. I'll take all of that I can get.

It's, of course, completely appropriate to post polling numbers, but I've noticed an unfortunate tendency -- particularly by Eric Kleefeld -- to place too much weight on the supposed meaning of each individual poll.

Saying that this poll "confirms that this has state's primary has turned into a very close contest" is the same kind of over-emphasis on individual polls that exists in the mainstream news.

I have a problem with polls at this point, period, unless they are showing the real race - Obama vs. McCain.

Cause this is all a Lobster Quadrille. Very stately and entertaining and essentially meaningless.

But it's AliceHillary's Unbirthday, so let's all join the party.

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Nice try Eric!
Once again up is down and black is white.Where do they get get this polls anyway.At this rate we will all be under the deluge of centre right wing polls trotting none-issues and not actually representative of whats on the ground in NC.

A girl can dream: Obama wins both NC and IN, superdelegates go for him like collapsing dominoes, HRC withdraws, and this time next week HRC and the Clenis are on the stump FOR Obama.

Happy stories happen like that only in the GOP, because the Clintons are still the bad actors they have always been, heightened by the audacity of Obama to offer change. Change from THEM.

I can live with Hillary Clinton campaigning for Obama, but not Bill. I'm completely done with that jackass.

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I'm with you, Bill should STFU and stay away.

Back in 2000 I thought Gore made a huge mistake by not having Bill campaign for him. These days I'm thinking it may have been a very savy move.

I am so done with him, too. Actually, I never ever started on him. But there are weird pockets of the US in swingable states where Bill might help boost the Obama vote. But wanting to see him on the stump, really? No way. I'd rather watch giraffes go on dates.

Obama's NC polling will start to trend back up over the weekend and on Monday. Just like Clinton's did in PA.

Now that the race has hardened, demographics and machine support are pretty much everything.

Voters say Wright has hurt Obama — but question how much:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080501/ap_on_el_pr/obama_pastor_s_impact;_ylt=AscHSZZNYYm8g8t437sx9yQXr7sF

In the real world, it would end a politician's career. But in this cycle, the kool aid overrides common sense.

Run Obama and lose but this country might deserve to lose again. Mcwar will give us a draft, more wars and a depression. Nothing will change but it will get worse.

You get what you vote for.

Dead horse to gotalife: "Stop beating me!"

In this cycle we are doing a beter job of ignoring off topic trivia. That is exactly what right is, irelevent and trivial.

Look Joseph McCarthy - the US went through a period of pinning Guilt on people by Association.

Quit trying to bring it back from the dead.

It's a repudiated argument - you and Roy Cohn and the transvestite head of the FBI pretty much killed it.

So the question is: Are you really a zombie?

It sounds like another Clinton smackdown is coming Barry's way. The polls are tightening in NC and its not even close in Indiana. Obama should get out now and save him the emabassment.

It is time for Obamacans to remove the rose colored glasses and take a serious, grown up look at the situation. He can't win in November.

Not even close in Indiana?

The worst has him down by only nine, and there are polls showing him ahead.

The Superdels are watching the AfrAm vote goes, sweetie. And trust me when I tell you they are out and about voting in huge numbers with early voting.

Sorry sweets...It's going to be that much sweeter when Obama wins NC and raps us this nomination...

Check this link out:

http://obsprimary.blogspot.com/2008/05/morning-buzz-nightmare-scenario.html

The bottom line is that AfrAm voters are going to be crucial for any Dem nominee not to mention all of the congressional races that will take place in November. You Hillbots are smokin' some good stuff if you think that the DNC is going to alienate loyal AfrAms in order to appeal to Reagan Democrats who still may vote for McCain in the fall.

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People!!!

Don't get complacent! Don't get angry in the comments section of a blog!!

DO SOMETHING!

If you are in NC or IN, get off your butt, and get over to an Obama volunteer headquarters. There is one in your town. We are looking for volunteers for the final GOTV push. This is a grassroots movement and it can't happen without volunteers.

If you are upset at the way things are going, don't just sit around, DO SOMETHING!

What are you sitting on?


And how do you know what people here are doing besides commenting?

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I'm sitting on my chair at work wishing I was out on the streets canvassing. But I'll be there as soon as the clock hits 5.

I was in no way insinuating that folks here are doing nothing, I just feel the urgency of these last couple days and want to motivate people not to be anxious or upset, but to do something about it.

And it helps me sleep at night.

Your GOTV only worked for caucuses. By Primary Day, the entire middle class, from Asheville to Atlantic Beach will not be wasting a vote on Obama. They are concerned about their bills, mortgages, jobs, and the things that are hurting their families. They are smarter then you give them credit for.

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Texas had a lot of Republicans creating mischief for Hillary. That can't happen here since it's a semi-closd primary. If Independents want to vote in the Democratic primary, they forfeit the right to vote in the heavily-contested Republican governor's primary so I doubt there will be a lot of shenannigans.

Bull fucking shit!

That's a lie and I'm sick of it.

That's the stupidest damn urban myth going. There was nothing.

NOTHING

Colour me stupid but what part of that was the BS you are sick of, the part about TX or NC?

Texas had a lot of Republicans creating mischief for Hillary.

Nonsense. You have GOT to stop listening to Rush, FR.


Last I heard, 49-42 does not equal 5. Might want to correct this. I suggest soon.

This was addressed at the top of the thread. You are mistaken.

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400 voters?
This is just silly - I find polls with 600 insulting enough - you need a 1000.

Deliberate double-post here....

The amusing part of this "discussion" is that every time there's a poll showing The Dear Leader in the lead the 'bots start shrieking, "WONDERFUL POLL!!! WORD!!!!"

Every time there's a poll showing Clinton in the lead the 'bots start shrieking, "BOGUS POLL!!!! THEY HATE BLACK PEOPLE!!!"

Tiresome, boring, and predictable.

Freakin' one-trick candidate; freakin' high-school fan club.

I live in Charlotte and the Obama signs are still in the Republican neighborhoods!

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