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Mark Penn Denies Not Knowing The Basics About Dem Primaries

Hillary's former chief strategist denies that story we posted on below saying that Penn didn't know that Dems don't do winner-take-all primaries.

I have no idea what's true here. It's worth noting, however, that if Penn didn't know this, he would have managed to get through Bill Clinton's 1996 campaign (though in fairness there were no primaries) and Joe Lieberman's in 2004 without ever learning this basic fact about the nomination process.

Anything is possible, I suppose, particularly when it involves Penn.


Comments (50)

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Is it pin the tail on the donkey time?
Penn?

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My guess is that someone is trying to scapegoat Penn because he's an easy mark at this point. Plus, even if he thought that was true, Clinton not only kept him on at an exhorbitant(sp) rate, but went ahead with the strategy (recall that she predicted this would be OVER by February 5th).

She hired him. She endorsed his plan. She bears the responsibility for what followed.

Ready on Day 1, indeed.

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Maybe being stupid/ignorant was a part of Penn's strategy?

Mark Penn is a Republican. That's why he's clueless about Democratic primaries and caucuses.

Just keep posting the lies to feed the Obama whiners.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/8/103719/1420

I doubt Penn didn't know about the Democratic process.

But he was clueless about Texas, and he still ran an incompetent campaign.

I mean, being beat by someone named "Obama." Give me a break!

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I fail to see anything that Obama supporters have to whine about.

They just can't help themselves from whining.

They believe this bs.

Gullible.

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Are you whining about whining?

Insufferable little cut and paste troll twit.

Oh, and linking to MyDD? Why didn't you just link to Little Green Footballs.

You can't spell. It's w-i-n-n-i-n-g.

nice

Mark Penn is SOOOOO worth the millions and millions of dollars they're paying him.

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The most basic of all strategies... "i didn't knew about that" and I was saying to my 8 yo son that at his age it just doesn't work anymore.

Which do you suppose is worse? Not knowing the delegate selection rules, and thus creating a strategy premised on a quick knockout punch from the big states on Super Tuesday, or knowing the delegate selection rules and still concocting the same strategy?

Whether Penn really knew this or not, the strategy to push for an early knockout left the campaign underfunded and unable to respond after Obama battled to a draw on Super Tuesday. That left an opening for Obama to win everything else in February, and it seriously undermined Hillary's image of experience and competence.

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BREAKING: Penny: "Contrary to numerous press reports and campaign anecdotes, I am not an idiot. Now, where's that $5 mill Hill said she'd pay me?"

Which of Hillary's advisors is telling her to morph into Marge Schott?

OMG, blast from the past. Let's get Hillary a Saint Bernard and load up the cask with Canadian Royal. Schotzie, indeed.

Slow news day?

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There is a microtend against lying, union busting, mercenary hacks. So sorry. Your career is over. Poison Penn.

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THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

Idiotic's News: It doesn't change from day to day!

It's so good to have a commenter you can trust! A message that has no variance! One note that we all look for!

Well, given that back in February, the campaign was reported to be pretty surprised to find out how the Texas primary/caucus system worked, AND given that the Penn strategy was a stellar failure, AND given that the Clintons are still whining about how they would have won if we had primaries like the Republicans...

I think Penn's denial is bullshit.

The whole stupid Dem process they call an election is a joke and waste of money.

Much ado about nothing and nothing will change.

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I see you are still at the anger stage. Acceptance will come soon enough.

What has changed since the spineless dems won the majority?

Nothing.

Nada.

Zip.

Much ado about nothing.

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You're a Republican, what do you care?

You admit you get your news from Fox News, therefore you really have no clue what is going on.

well, the house has killed momentarily killed telecom immunity, much as your girl likes it. still, you have a point -- the rockefellers and clintons and hoyers of the congress will do their best to cover up the bush administration's illegality, sad to say.

It's a republican. Probably a 16 year old who can't vote. But by all means a pimple-faced, republican.

Apparently distraught at having filed his Goodbye Cruel World Notice with the TPM Guild prematurely, Gotalife stumbles back onto the TPM stage in a series of cameos that, while engaging, pack the Uncanny Sensibilities of Busey on a bender. Is our plucky performer finding it harder to stay away form the stage than he had imagined, given his crushing Attention Deficit affliction? Or are we witnessing the wrenching onset of the terrible Paris Britnification of another performer past their prime, lost in a sad self-parody of Troll in the Spotlight reruns and Faded Lines from glorious roles past?

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I suppose the gotalife show must go on.

And on.

and on and on and on.........

As I've commented elsewhere, Penn is not atypical for the head of a D.C. corporate P.R. firm.

He rose to power not by being a competent strategist but by being a bullshitter and schmoozer . . . not according to what he knows but who he knows and what he's got on them. He lies so often he can't tell the difference between what's real and what's not. And anytime anything goes wrong, it's someone else's fault, not his.

There are lots of egomaniacal, moronic assholes like him running around D.C. The main difference is that most campaigns aren't stupid enough to hire them.

Absolutely NAILED IT.

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The best narative for Democrats is that Hillary was a good-hearted, couragous leader who was poorly served by a grasping, incompetent staff. If we can get close to that view by the time she drops out on May 20, then it will make it easier to unite the party. Though cruel, that story is reasonably fair to Penn.

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This analysis is contradictory: A good and courageous leader who was a complete captive of her incompetent and onerous manipulators?

She appears to be complicit in many of the mistakes made. The actual words come out of her mouth in the spur of the moment. If she's a courageous fighter, then she has to go down with the ship, not disembark with the rats.

I am all for party unity, but after six months of having my vote and my financial support disparaged as unreal, a fairy tale, and not mattering, the dawning of the conventional wisdom that Obama has taken down the Clintons is cause for a great celebration. Now who needs to get real?

If Clintons' supporters don't want to come along for the ride, I have two facts for them to consider: John Paul Stevens will be 88 when Obama or McCain takes office, RB Ginsburg 85. Do Clintons' feminist cougars really want to send their young sisters back to the back alley?

Of course, that would be the crowning achievement of her campaign of spite.

While I hate to be defending Mark Penn, Democrats used to have winner take all primaries. Not sure when they switched, but it might have been 2004.

eric says its been about 20 years, fwiw

In a lot of states it's been more like 30 years since winner take all was done away with.

Of course I understood the basics. The issue is not that I didn't understand the basics. The issue is that I (wisely) did not act upon my knowledge of the basics.

You see, there are more campaigns that have won while understanding the basics and acting upon that understanding than there are campaigns that have won while understanding the basics but not acting upon that understanding.

Therefore, campaigns that understand the basics and act upon that understanding are a macrotrendic group, and therefore are utterly doomed to failure.

Meanwhile, campaigns that understand the basics but did not act upon that understanding are a microtrendic group. And that, my friends, that is exactly why Senator Hillary Clinton will be the next President of the United States of America.

This raises serious questions about Senator Obama.

You are brilliant!

Mark, you're looking quite svelte in this pic. Have you been working out?

Or just cutting back on non-essentials?

I completely agree with Gotalife - what good are the Dems (Democrats)?! All of Obamaniacs (Obama supporters) need to stop whining because it is completley unfair! It's important that we keep complaining until the whining stops.

We should all not vote this Nov. (November) to show the Dems that they are worthless. Gotalife's got my back on this one - right?

Worshipping a Senator that has done nothing is ridiculous.

Get real people.

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Ah...... idiotic has finally acknowledged the latest news. All's right with the world.

Well, except Mark Penn. As a donor to Obama, I don't really object to his paying off her debt to service providers, etc. Those folks deserve the money, there is precedent for it, and I hate to think what trouble a broke and angry Clinton team would cause. .... BUT .... should that happen, the amounts owed to Penn should be very definitely EXCLUDED from any such offer!

Frankly, I don't think the Clintons should pay him either - but it was their decision to keep him on even after it was clear the campaign was being badly botched. Actually, on second thought, maybe I (and others) should be grateful to him. If he hadn't given such incredibly BAD planning and direction, Clinton might have fared much, much better. I much prefer this outcome.

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It's so inspiring to come to TPM.

Barack has clinched the nomination, and we now see his loyal supporters fanning out across cyberspace, spreading his joyous message of hope and healing, letting bygones be bygones--making the pie higher!

In January the whole world will feel the love!

While you're on your self-righteous horse, go check out Taylor Marsh' website and preach to them your message of unity.
'kay?

Oooooo, aren't we "bitter" tonight ?

Coming straight from Taylor Marsh or was it Hillaryis44 ?

I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic - could you please try to be more concrete like Gotalife?

Concrete?
Like hardened, unchanging, impervious to outside influence, dense, monolithic?

The brilliant thing about gotalife's prose is that it's so simple, so plainly stated, so poorly typed - that it almost seems thoughtless and lazy - which is brilliant.

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This could very well be a Hillary pitch to superdelgates by saying.."I, Hillary, was screwed by bad campaign management"
And it could even be true that in a busy moment, Penn could have been thinking out loud, in conference mode..and slipped on apportionment in California, something I'm sure that if he was concentrating on that aspect he would have right.

Remember: "You can choose your pastor.."--HRC.
Another bad Hillary decision to smear a loyal comrade.

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