Is Hillary Running Out Of "Game Changers"?
Presuming the Dem race continues, Hillary is expected to rack up big wins in Kentucky and West Virginia. No one expects that this won't happen.
But does the certainty of her wins in those states -- even if it will allow her to marginally close the pledged del and popular vote margin -- also carry yet another disadvantage for Hillary?
Let me make the case. Hillary's candidacy has rebounded several times with big wins -- hard-earned ones -- that have swung the momentum back in her favor. After her string of losses in February, the big win in Ohio shifted things back in her direction. Then, after her losses in Wyoming and Mississippi, her big Pennsylvania win swung things back her way yet again.
Her ability to grind out tough victories that weren't assured, at times when her back was to the wall, became an integral part of her campaign's emotional and narrative arc.
Now, with Hillary's crushing loss in North Carolina, and her presumed smaller-than-expected win in Indiana, Hillary needs yet another big "game changer," to use a phrase that has been bandied about a bit lately.
Can Kentucky and West Virginia -- smaller states -- really deliver that in the same way that the other big states did? She's far and away the favorite in those states -- so it seems certain that they just won't pack the same kind of dramatic wallop those previous dramatic big-state victories did. They won't offer the emotional payoff that her campaign's previous back-from-the-dead moments provided.
And this is something she now needs at least as much as she did on the eve of all her previous rebounds.
In addition to Kentucky and West Virginia, there is Oregon, Puerto Rico, South Dakota and Montana.
How many "game changers" -- ones of the magnitude she needs -- are left at this point?
Answer: Zero.
May 6, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I knew I would be waaaaay too late to say it.
May 6, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
S'alright, Tena. You can answer the next rhetorical question.
May 6, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Less than zero.
May 6, 2008 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG...
Hillary's speech in Indiana just made me throw up my Lean Cuisine panini.
May 6, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, a 9/11 invocation? When did she start channeling Rudy?
Slow. Death. Spiral.
Just me or did Chelsea look to be on the verge of crying more than once? Hard for me to tell since I watched on CNN's crappy faux-widescreen live feed on the interwebs.
May 6, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thats disgusting lol.
hahaha
May 6, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think it was the speech, given that it was bulim cuisine.
May 6, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
fucking bitch. go shit yourself too.
May 6, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rae, I think it's time for you to pull back from this a little.
May 6, 2008 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
So gracious in defeat.
There are going to be many Clinton supporters who will realize we have to unite, and I hope to work with some to help get Obama elected.
But to you I say, BAAAAAHHHHHH!
May 6, 2008 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you already shit all over the place, Rae. But if you're still hungry, I have a panini here that you can munch on.
Baaaaaaaaaa.
May 6, 2008 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her premature victory speech is a lackluster. ;(
May 6, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can I get an Idiotic Wave?
May 6, 2008 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS
May 6, 2008 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
IS
May 6, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
IS
May 6, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
EXCELLENT
May 6, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
NEWS
May 6, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
!!!
May 6, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
FOR HILLARY
May 6, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
!!!!
May 7, 2008 1:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice to see you back... too bad I dont think well see gotalife around here too much longer.
May 6, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
IS
May 6, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
EXCELLENT
May 6, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
NEWS
May 6, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
FOR
May 6, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
HILLARY
May 6, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
!!!HILLMENTUM™!!!!
May 6, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
God, I love you.
May 6, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
"We are in a three way tie for....eh....who gives a damn. Harry clean out your desk."
May 6, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about: HILLMEN™!!!!
May 6, 2008 11:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, don't diss her voting coalition.
May 6, 2008 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's fundraising!
And she's doing the after Iowa I'm gonna cry thing
May 6, 2008 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a CLASSLESS....thing she is.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
May 6, 2008 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Took the words right out of my mouth, classless indeed!!!
May 6, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only things of that magnitude are astronomical, so we're back to her hoping for that meteor strike again.
May 6, 2008 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill's smile looks like it is forced into the position with toothpicks. Hilary's in financial trouble, with, "Please got to Hillary.com and give until it hurts."
May 6, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill looks drunk as shit
May 7, 2008 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greg - It's over. There are NO MORE game changers.
May 6, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
let me guess, this post is favorable to Hillary, right?
:)
May 6, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL.
:-P
May 6, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
THAT just really made me laugh soda out my nose.
I'm sorry. I know I give you hard time...usually.
May 6, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you sure you're not Jason Jones?
May 6, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do find it amusing the references to Ohio and Pennsylvania as "big" victories, considering how for the Hillary campaign they were disappointingly small victory margins that did not succeed in catching up to Obama.
May 6, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did she just mention soldiers in Iraq??!!
May 6, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Arrgh. She's pitching the gas tax holiday once more. Those hi-falutin' egg-heads don' no nuthin' about economics, by gum!
May 6, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone else think the baby yelling in the background was more exciting than hillary?
May 6, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
The baby was definitely more likely to inspire a movement.
May 6, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG Paul Begilia & Donna Brazile on CNN...must watch. I am going with Paul was drunk, must have been doing shooters with Hillary.
A good sign for Obama and bad sign for HRC, some of her supporters are praising Obama, talking about the need for a positive campaign...
Yes, Hillary - this was a game changer.
May 6, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/06/brazile-and-begala-angril_n_100500.html
May 6, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is so close yet so far away! Maybe, close that is!
May 6, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tonight we saw the MSM turn the page. They know that HRC has lost the nomination.
Unlike Mike Huckabee, HRC doesnt seem to know how to exit gracefully. there is going to be a backlash from the media, her financial backers will dry up and the SD will come out in mass for BO.
She gave it her best, but it wasnt to be.
May 6, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I noticed the MSM change of tone as well.
Finally!!
May 6, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to admit - I was too jaded to think the tone would change.
In short: I think Ghengis was right.
Her speech really drove it all home.
May 7, 2008 1:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've been trying to think of how she can possibly leave this race and still save face, given how increasingly disgraced she becomes with each passing day.
The image that comes to mind is the scene from Streetcar Named Desire, when the men in white coats came to drag Blanche away and they wrestle her to the ground, but then they finally convince her that they're actually her friends and allow her to walk smooth out her hair and walk out with some dignity.
Maybe she'll leave that way. Yeah, that's it! Yeah...maybe...
May 6, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
She sounds listless. Batteries running low?
May 6, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, she's being VERY careful to sound womanly and compassionate. Can't come out fighting when - maybe - you've won by a hair...
May 6, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your making the case underscores what's wrong with the media: her BIG wins, netted her a smattering of net delegates which Obama subsequently negated with SMALL wins. She's been treading water/slowly drowning since Super Tuesday.
May 6, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
She is back rattling her tin cup again, like some homeless person at an off ramp.
Super Delegates pick her up, and drop her off at the nearest shelter.
May 6, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd add also that one of her big claims about both Ohio and Pennsylvania were that they are big states that a Democrat needs to win in November to win the GE against McCain. It's a stupid argument in my book, but it's her claim. Anyway, there's no way to spin a Kentucky or WV win as somehow indicative of her strength in big swing states. KY & WV are pretty much certain to go Republican with either candidate. Puerto Rico doesn't even count. SD and Montana? Also Republican in the GE. And Oregon, which will probably go Dem in the GE, is Obama's to lose. So what's the argument left to make? "I can win small Republican states"?
May 6, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can't wait to see the new intrade number in the morning. And NC might erase her popular vote win in PA completely.
North Carolina - Yes We Did!!
Clinton's speech is stupefyingly tone deaf. I really think she is more shrouded from reality than Bush. And that's pretty damned hard to do.
May 6, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is up 10 right now on Intrade. There's blood in the water...
May 6, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes you did and I thank you so very much!!!!!
May 6, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're quite welcome. It was a pleasure, really.
May 6, 2008 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was talking to NC.
silly.
May 6, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're very welcome! I wouldn't have promised y'all if I wasn't certain. I have to drive my kid to a 9:00 dentist appointment and wade through a stack of legal work after that. And I got up at 5:00am. But I can't see going to sleep before 2 or 3, even with medical assistance!
May 6, 2008 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thought I'd get some credit for at least voting in the NC primary -- yeesh! :)
May 7, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Two minutes in, and she's begging for cash. Tacky.
But at least she's now saying she will work for the Democratic nominee.
May 6, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm getting more fun out of ignoring her and paying close attention to Bill's red face behind her.
May 6, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like some Willy Wonka scene...bring forth the oompa loompas
May 6, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, Lake county hasn't reported yet. No one except CBS has given it to her. I'm not sure why she's saying she won just yet...unless she likes the possibility of egg on her face in the morning...
May 6, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
What will happen if she wakes up in the morning and discovers she lost IN?
May 6, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, she is not running out of game changers. She has run out of game changers.
In fact, this happened long before this evening.
May 6, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you.
The "game changers" went by long ago (well over a month ago).
Why the bright folks like Greg can't grok that is a mystery, it isn't like the multitude of commentators here on the TPM blogs haven't been screaming this to the rafters. For some reason it seems the beltway and NYC have a cone of silence around them where us unwashed heathens in the hinterlands (i.e. the electorate) are simply doing some Marcel Marceau in their view.
May 6, 2008 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sen Evan Byah is crapping his pants. This close race reflects him as well. Even Byah aint no Ed Rendell.
May 6, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow! What a difference between Obama's and Hillary's speeches... He totally kill it and she's just... not. The best is Bill's face behind her, is the most clear indicator of the reality that exists now.
The endgame is almost here...
McCain, you're next...
Barack Obama: Now more than ever, choose change.
May 6, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
But Greg, NC was a game changer -- just changed the game in the wrong direction for her!! Now it's game over!
May 6, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would agree that there are no game-changers. What I don't understand is Greg's assumption that there have been any game-changers since Super Tuesday. Ohio didn't change the game because it failed to put Hillary in the lead or within shooting distance of the lead. Texas even less so because it resulted in a net delegate gain for Obama. Pennsylvania, same story as Ohio.
Hillary supporters, of which Greg presumably is one, invoke "momentum" instead of delegates. Since Hillary has no hope of gaining the lead in pledged delegates, "momentum" can only mean probability of gaining superdelegates. How has Hillary's "momentum" after Ohio/Texas and Pennsylvania resulted in any gain in superdelegates?
I'm sorry, I just don't understand this "momentum" construct.
May 6, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo.
Your point is spot on. This is a media narcissistic invention that "momentum" will change the game when the delegate math long ago shut the door on any realistic scenarios where she could take the lead.
May 6, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is starting to sound like a concession speech. Look at how small the crowd is, and it is stacked with AFSCME operatives.
May 6, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
She is thanking labor and her family (Bill and Cheal). is this a semi concession speech? SHe is teasing me.
May 6, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Popular vote margin up to 208k in NC now. Obama's going to do better net today than Clinton did in Pennsylvania.
May 6, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
ZOMG! She's pumping up West Virginia and Kentucky!
May 6, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am officially sick of this entire fake-ass family.
May 6, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's trying to preserve the Clinton legacy.
She's pumping up Bill to the crowd. Guess he needed an ego boost.
She's even praising Chelsea.
May 6, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chelsea 2048!
Kidding!
May 6, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great speech.
Out spent, media bias, and still wins.
Amazing.
Count their votes.
Indeed.
May 6, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
you funny
May 6, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Truly amazing. Just an amazing performance for the heir to the Clinton legacy. Squeak by (maybe) in Indiana and crushed in NC. AMAZING.
It is awesome that she has been able to beat back the Obama juggernaut to reclaim the lead for the Democratic nomination. I expect Obama will concede by the end of the week.
May 6, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tell it to the chicken.
May 6, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like you, Goatlife.
Meheheheheheh!
May 7, 2008 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
A troll of few words. And yet, they speak volumes.
May 6, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
She sounds deflated
May 6, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't really think she cares if she has egg on her face in the morning. This woman has no shame.
Egad, I am reminded what a wooden speech giver she is, not as bad as McCain but makes me want to nap - or puke. Depends.
Good lord, I can't believe she is stuck on the gas price thing- Haven't tonight's results told her it isn't working. She is like a rabid dog with a bone.
May 6, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
She said 9/11.
May 6, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, Florida and Michigan will be seated..... right after Barack Obama has this game locked up mathematically. Pretty soon!
She is truly shameless! A classless speech. Typical Clinton fare.
Onwards and Upwards!
President Obama!!!!!!!
May 6, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
More likely after she has suspended her campaign.
May 6, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Was this Greg pivots entry? Did he finally see the light?
I was wondering how he was going to be able to let go of the Clinton winning delusion and start writing positively about Obama.
This entry might just bridge the two universes.
;-)
May 6, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had too, G.
May 6, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Vile.
May 6, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
GARAGE SALE IN CHAPPAQUA:
Moving goal posts....going cheap.
In fact, if you just show up in your pick-up truck, we'll give them to you for free.
Love,
Bill & Hill
May 6, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's All O-VER!
Goal posts for sale! Goal posts for sale!
May 6, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
hmmm.... On second thought, maybe we should nominate Clinton. She just promised to deliver Kentucky and West Virginia in the general.
Also, she has magic powers and can leap tall buildings in a single bound.
May 6, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's how she's getting rid of OPEC.
May 6, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everytime I read a gotalife post, I always want those 10 seconds of my life back.
May 6, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[big grin]
May 6, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The money advantage will shave off some of the damage for Obama in Kentucky and West Virginia. Money doesn't necessarily give you a win but it certainly makes losses close.
And Chris Matthews just called her speech a "political mating game"...haha, god I love that guy.
May 6, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
the game changers were all in early february. There has been very little substance since then.
Maryland,Virginia was the climax of the movie, the rest should have ended up in the deleted scenes part of the dvd.
May 6, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
South Dakota and Montana are both expected to be Obama wins, right?
May 6, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doody is leaking down my leg.
May 6, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Prescient: http://nwitimes.videos.vmixcore.com/p/video?id=1865339
May 6, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
You got that straight. Rudy Clay is the new Karnack the Magnificent. Good for him, there's a very good chance that he was exactly right.
May 6, 2008 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
And now on to West Virginia where Hillary has a home state advantage. She fondly remembers learning from her Paw, her brother Rufus, and her other brother Rufus, how to brew White Lightning up the Holler, and how to run from the Revenoors! \
Get ready West Virginia: Hillary Andy Yokeley is heading your way.
May 6, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
.....COUNT THE VOTES, COUNT THE VOTES..... I can juss foresee the scene in Denver where groups of people spontaneously gather and disrupt the convention on Clinton's behalf. I mean she HAS to have some grace doesn't she? A 15 point win in IN would've met squat and now the margin is under 40,000 votes. A four point win is cause for inspiration?
May 6, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I feel a little bad now. Chelsea looks like she is going to cry, even Bill does a bit.
Of course his face seems to be getting redder by the minute- a bit worrying for his health.
Geez. I am just about to type about being done with the Hillary hate and she has to go pull out the MI/FL bit. Why!! Why can't she just let me like her!
May 6, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't feel sad about Chelsea, I still have that "none of your business" line that she gave college students out here Indiana replaying in my head.
And I think Bill was a bit frustrated that all that pandering he did out there in NC was worth nothing. :D Chris Matthews laugh-- HA!
May 6, 2008 11:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point. I've been half expecting Bill to have a coronary on the trail. In some tiny town far away from a cardiac center. He needs a break. Glad I'm not watching.
May 6, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Russert's grin of the 200,000 uncounted votes from Obama's wing distict in Indiana, with a 35,000 difference seems to indicate Obama won Indiana!!!
:D I called it, my state wants CHANGE, we can believe in.
Obama '08
May 6, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Russert just said that there are indications that Clinton has loaned her campaign more money.
May 6, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tim Russert is now reporting that Obama is probably going to be paying off Clinton's campaign debt as one of the steps toward ending this.
I'm honestly not quite sure how I feel about this new development...
May 6, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is not going to do that. That's what the pro-Hillary MSM wants. They always want the Obama team to give, kiss-up and play lap dog for Hillary, but never go the other way when Hillary is driving a stake through the Obama team.
May 6, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Considering some of that is my money too...yes, I concur.
But as I keep reminding myself in this campaign -sometimes you have to do things you don't like for the sake of unity.
May 6, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am fine with Obama paying off her debt. Let us get her off the stage, and show her supporters that we are big hearted and generous in victory. Keep your eye on the prize. The White House and the Supreme Court. We need to unite for the fall campaign.
May 6, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whaaa! You mean with the money that we donated to his campaign?! No f'ing way!
May 6, 2008 11:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, as an Oregonian I say it's time for us to be irrelevant. The supers need to end this sucker, now. Everyone else can still vote, we'll get MI/FL seated, blah blah but we need to move on and come together around our nominee.
Hillary had some majorly obnoxious moments tonite but overall she sounded defeated and not ungracious. Her manner and Bill's face said it all. Let's be as kind as possible (even if they don't deserve it).
I heard "don't stop thinking about tomorrow" on the radio today and had a flash of nostalgia for the good old days with young Clintons/Gores dancing on stage. Let's honor them for the good times and move on!
May 6, 2008 11:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right with you... 14 days to irrelevancy here we come!!
May 6, 2008 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tim Russert is saying that Clinton will offer to concede if Obama agrees to pay off her campaign debt!
What?!?
May 6, 2008 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has clearly crossed the Russert-in-chief threshold.
May 6, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the fuck is this stuff about Obama taking on Hillary's debt in order to make peace in the party? MSNBC is all over this bizarre formula. Obama and his supporters that she gets even and Mark Penn gets paid. What the fuck is that?
May 6, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, like we're supposed to PAY for the crap that she's been doling out now for the last several weeks? I don't think so.
You want to see rioting in the streets? I'll start it myself.
May 6, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I trust Obama to spend my contributions any way he wants. Thee man is aces!
May 6, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spitzer?
May 6, 2008 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has anyone seen Mathew Weaver tonight?
I'm worried about the well-being of those two infants he hides behind carries around.
May 6, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dammit... I guess you can't do a "strike" text here.
May 6, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Many of that Ilk are missing tonight...watching Bill, he was distracted, not clapping at the right times, tight-lipped...
C U R T A I N S
May 6, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lamont,
I worry about those two babies for other reasons. I am not convinced that they belong to him. That picture is very creepy, and God knows, Weaver has made it perfectly clear that he is one sick racist creep.
May 6, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if the photograph was taken by a security camera.
May 6, 2008 11:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am fine with Obama paying off her debt. Let us get her off the stage, and show her supporters that we are big hearted and generous in victory. Keep your eye on the prize. The White House and the Supreme Court. We need to unite for the fall campaign.
May 6, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen!
May 6, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was with you up until a few seconds ago. I thought it would be a good to try and re-unify the party. Then the headline hit me again. Half of Hillary's supporters wouldn't vote for Obama. Ugh. Why pay of the debts of somebody who's supporters are just going to vote for McCain or sit out the election? That just doesn't make sense. As a famous George said, "Wouldn't be prudent."
May 7, 2008 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Then again, it's not my money any more - I gave it freely, and Obama can spend it however he thinks best. Truly, I'm divided on this one.
May 7, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's All O-VER!
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom!
May 6, 2008 11:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it just me or did Russert look all emotional?!?
Everyone knows this is done.
May 6, 2008 11:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I were a voter in Lake County, Indiana, I would want to kick Evan Bayh's ass right about now, seeing that his people have intentionally withheld the outcome in that county in order to buy Hillary some sort of narrative tonight.
Why does Evan Bayh hate black people?!
May 6, 2008 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting theory. I figured it was the Gary powers waiting to see how many thumbs they needed on the scale to tip things for the O-man. But I've read too many books and seen too many movies . . .
May 6, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was the way Mayor Daley pulled it out for JFK in 1960
May 6, 2008 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup.
May 6, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to someone on another forum who lives in Chicago, he's waiting to find out how many dead people are going to vote, which is ironic, considering that Clinton literally won Transylvania county in NC.
May 6, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
My first read was that someone in Lake county wanted to force Clinton's hand and get her to make a statement to the media about her "win" and then have her end up with egg on her face. Now that this count has gone into Wednesday, I'm wondering.
May 7, 2008 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greg Sargent, knock it off!!
Her ability to grind out tough victories that weren't assured, at times when her back was to the wall, became an integral part of her campaign's emotional and narrative arc.
To grind out tough victories that weren't assured??? Oh get off it Greg, Hillary was ALWAYS expected to win Ohio and PA - there was no grinding.
And she played dirty politics to win those states. She was just the status quo coming out of Washington.
May 6, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
WHAT HAPPENED TO OBAMA'S ASSERTION THAT INDIANA WOULD BE THE TIE BREAKER??
HE SAID SHE'D WON. PENN, HE'D TAKE NC BUT THAT INDIANA WOULD BE THE TIE BREAKER.
YET NOW HE'S DISCOUNTING HER WIN THERE!!
SHE WON IT. PERIOD!!
May 6, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
RaeKKK is having a meltdown under her flaming cross.
May 6, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lets let her have her hissy fit. This is a rough nite for HRC supporters. Psychotic rantings are a small price to pay for tonight's victory(s).
May 6, 2008 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hee Hee! I love magnanimous winners.
:)
May 6, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's All O-VER!
May 6, 2008 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
She hasn't won Indiana yet. This could go either way.
May 6, 2008 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
There, there. You'll feel better in the morning. Just like your candidate.
May 6, 2008 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
When did he discount it? He congratulated her for it.
As for him saying that it would be a "tiebreaker": He was wrong. His NC victory is more significant, in terms of both delegates and popular vote, than both Pennsylvania and Indiana combined.
And that's even assuming she wins Indiana, which, despite your histrionics, is not a foregone conclusion.
May 6, 2008 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
She it utterly without class.
May 6, 2008 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Only 87% in and her lead is gradually slipping. It's under 39,000 now with Lake County still left to count.
May 6, 2008 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Goat said she'd win PA by 30. What's your point?
May 6, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Warren Zevon, Frank Zappa, John Lennon, and 3/4 of The Ramones are dead, yet Pat Buchanan is on TV tonight.
Tell me there is justice in the universe.
May 6, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stevie Ray Vaughan, Jerry Garcia, George Harrison.
But Tom Delay is still suckin' wind.
May 6, 2008 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Ramones.. the anti-Spinal Tap.. the only band where all the drummers (there were 5 of them over the years) are still alive and none of the rest of the band.
May 6, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen.
May 6, 2008 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Tupac and Biggie -
And where are their killers?
May 6, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
and joe strummer
May 6, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
We should really say a few words of thanks to the good people of Iowa who didn't roll over for Hillary. As to grinding it out, Hillary lost it in the first caucus. If she'd won Iowa, Obama would have been toast.
May 6, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gary Indiana, Gary Indiana, Gary, Indiana!
May 6, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama only won NC because its got one of the highest margins of blacks like SC. That's the only group he gets by such margins. That won't win a general election.
May 6, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's All O-VER!
Gary Indiana!
180,000 votes still to count
May 6, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You mean besides the educated, the young, and the working-age?
May 6, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess we'll find out in November, right?
May 6, 2008 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
A Dem can't win the general election without them, either. Flip them off at your own peril.
May 6, 2008 11:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
RaeKKK thinks that her Springer Reject, White Trailer Trash skin makes her vote count for more than the vote of a black American.
May 6, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Get some sleep. Your talking to yourself in cyberspace.
May 6, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
So black votes and voters don't really count. Got it.
What about little black sheep illustrations, do those votes count or no?
May 6, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I know, dear. Just like all those black people got him his wins in Colorado and Minnesota. So unfair.
Now why don't you sit down and have a drink before you have a stroke. It'll all be over soon, and you'll have plenty of time to get used to the idea of President Obama.
May 6, 2008 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
BAAH! BAAH! THOSE DARN DARKIES! IF ONLY THEY HADN'T HAVE GOTTEN THE VOTE! BAAH! BAAH!
May 6, 2008 11:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
if what Josh said on the home page has any truth to it then it seems like BO will win IN and Zogby has redeemed itself.
May 6, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
All I could take was the first 60 seconds of her speech. She is morphed into a disgusting creature. Good news, she is over.
May 6, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
...........do I really hafta see my funds go to Mark Freaking Penn and Terry Mcauliffe? Can't Bill use some of that unreported $24 million his wife didn't hafta disclose? Ah well as working class white liberal I don't really even need a President so I guess I can donate more money to his GENERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN v McCain.
May 6, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
No fucking way.
I've pumped way too money into Obama's campaign to see it go anywhere but to get him elected.
May 6, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
WTF? BO pay off her campaign debts to create 'party unity'? Can anyone possibly think that supporters who can't figure out the 'gas tax' con could possibly empathize the graciousness of retiring her debt? Suddenly the 40 some odd percent of her NC supporters who said they would NOT vote for Obama if he were the nominee are going to back him? Good money after bad - spend it beating McSame and let her pay the high price for the poor strategy of pandering for low votes. The problem with 7/24 coverage is that those idiots have to keep talking or they lose their jobs, no matter what inane tripe cascades out of their mouths.
May 6, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I reject and denounce that suggestion, made by whatever pundit said it.
The Clintons are rolling in it. They should have to pay for the vanity production toxic dog & pony show they've been putting us through these past 6 weeks. In fact, I think 18.4 cents from Clinton coffers should go to every living American for having to hear about that stupid gas tax holiday for as long as we did.
May 7, 2008 1:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
220,000 votes left, 180,000 votes in Lake County, most of that AA. He needs it by 65%.
May 6, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
She is working to be his VP, NOOOOOOOOOOO!
May 6, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not gonna happen.
May 6, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
No f---ing way on paying off her debts. Not to race-baiter in chief Bill and McCain-loving Hillary.
These assholes have been waaay to disrespectful and ugly. Let them spend some of that $109 mill. they have in the bank. You know, the money raised by Bill's book about "Giving".
May 6, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gary's coming in STRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 6, 2008 11:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Gary, Indiana provides the winning votes for Obama, I'll take back every snarky thing I've ever said about Michael Jackson, honestly! :)
May 6, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cause this is thriller, thriller night,
And no one's gonna save you from the beast about to strike,
You know it's thriller, thriller night,
You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight.
May 6, 2008 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's perfect.
May 7, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Indiana's under 20,000!!!!
May 6, 2008 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
28% - Obama 75%!!
There are still votes to count in Porter & LaPorte Co which is leaning slightly HRC, but there are also votes in Marion & Monroe which are big Obama counties. Union county hasn't reported, it is small but likely to go heavily HRC.
May 6, 2008 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
What was CBS thinking?
May 6, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is really over now.
His 200,000 plus vote margin in North Carolina is the coup de grâce.
Only those who snort 100% pure kool-aid powder will fight on for another fix.
Regarding the incredibly inane idea that Barack should pay off Hillary's debts:
That's Elm Steet nuts.
The money I gave to Barack MUST NOT go to the Clintons.
Suggestion to the Clintons:
Have Chelsea go to work as a janitor someplace to help pay off your debts. I am not into funding dead-beat, aristocratic, Republican families.
Which is all to say:
I don't owe the Clintons a living.
Never have. Never will.
May 6, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you think it's true Clinton loaned herself more money? Cuz I don't think we should pay off her debts if she keeps loaning herself money to stay in.
May 7, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama looks like he will get a 15pt margin in NC and 230K votes.
May 7, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
There's only 66% of Monroe county in, going for Obama 2 to 1.
May 7, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Russert: "There comes a time in some campaigns where the candidate is the last to know it's over."
May 7, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tim Russert just said "we now know who the Democratic party nominee is going to be". NA NA, NA NA NA NA, hey hey, goodbye! I now play jazz flute for you all!
May 7, 2008 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Tim,
We've known for months.
May 7, 2008 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
No doubt, but it's nice to hear it from the voices on high after a pretty tough 7 weeks. After the pundits kept trying to keep the race alive, its really good to hear them concede.
May 7, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
They are talking about the states surrounding IL. Ground game ground game ground game. Massive GOTV, Massive canvassing.
Tim & Chris are freaking me out- they look so emotional. This is the most bizarre thing to me.
May 7, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tim on MSNBC: "Obama is the nominee." WOOOOOHOOOOO! I've been waiting since February to hear the media say those words. This is such a great day!
May 7, 2008 12:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
I just realized something - We have the first black Presidential nominee. That is making ME emotional and I am a white chick. God Bless America!!
May 7, 2008 12:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope he goes on to the remaining states and campaigns his heart out and gets to know these folks. Put all 50 states in play, and don't look back. This is utterly amazing!
May 7, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a great day. I have a coworker who is a Clinton supporter, and she said after Ohio that Clinton was back the race, and it will feel so good to come back and win. Bet she calls in sick tomorrow! I am going to wear my Obama '08 shirt with pride at work tomorrow, in the red state of Utah!
May 7, 2008 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
newfapalooza:
Wow you're right. I hadn't thought of it either. I don't see Obama as black or white--just an intelligent man and a great strategist. But this is a historical moment. As someone who grew up in the racist 1960s, this is a very emotional moment. America is moving together.
May 7, 2008 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don`t Like you GOATLIFE please please GO AWAY!!!
SHA NA NA SAY HEY HEY GOODBYE!!!AND GOOD RIDDANCE TO THE IRON *****!!!
May 7, 2008 12:59 AM | Reply | Permalink