Too bad the only thing Clinton will ever fight for is to be elected.

i must have truly misunderestimated her.

May 20? Save your money, Hillary. It will all be over by then.

Why is she wasting money in Oregon?

she has no chance in hell in Oregon.

What are the Clintons doing?

It's going to take...

... a better candidate.

Great. Many in this crowd defend the dissemination of the Kantor libel. Even FOX corrects the record, but not Josh.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354034,00.html
I would defend vigorously the expression of any and all sorts of opinions -- its the lifeblood of democracy -- but only at TPM would you find "people" who defend the dissemination of a doctored video designed to harm Kantor and tilt the election in Indiana. The First Amendment does not protect libel.

It's gonna take a fighter, says The Monster.

4,000 wasn't enough.

Democratic National Convention Committee official poster: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3296/2460357822_09b85382de.jpg?v=0

Notice the big O and not a 0?

Gee, I wonder why.

This thing is over.

Obama supporters - do you not believe that it will take a fighter, esp. in the general election? As a "Hillary Supporter" because I know she's crazy & a fighter (the ONLY kind of candidate that will be able to withstand the attacks during the general, and after).

Here's what would cause me to shift my support, gladly, to Obama:

1. Drop this "Uniter not a Divider" crap. It's handcuffing him, but more importantly *its over*. No one buys it anymore. It provides NO benefit with the general public.

2. LAUGH at Clinton. Make fun of her, using his intelligence, act as if she's no threat, that "I understand why she's fighting as she is, but you know...I mean, I almost feel bad for her."

3. When needed, turn into a freak and say at brutally as possible to the MSM, "you think thats a good question? [laughs]. Ok. Uh, lets see, blah blah blah. That good? Next?" Turn into a tough asshole.

Thats why I'm hoping Hillary ends up the nominee. Cause it WILL take a fighter. Does Obama have it in him? I've no idea. He hasn't shown it yet. I figure he DOES have it in him (he's a politician folks, he's probably trying to figure out the best way to "transition" into that type of campaign w/o upsetting all of the "Obama will change everything!" believers.) So hopefully we'll see it. If not, he's toast in the general.

Quick thought - we've watched the past 7 years as Bush has politicized *everything*. Non-partisan positions filled with repubs, etc. How will Obama restore "balance" w/o being called "a partisan thug" by the repubs? That is, he fires all the hacks Bush has inserted, and the Repubs/MSM are going to respond, "well, sure, thats understandable". I think not. Its reality.

Quick thought - we've watched the past 7 years as Bush has politicized *everything*. Non-partisan positions filled with repubs, etc. How will Obama restore "balance" w/o being called "a partisan thug" by the repubs? That is, he fires all the hacks Bush has inserted, and the Repubs/MSM are going to respond, "well, sure, thats understandable". I think not. Its reality.

Ok, I'll mock you instead - every single incoming administration every single person in the outgoing resigns.

Every time.

And when the parties change - every one changes.

Anything else you want to make up as a problem that isn't real?

When Hillary Clinton gives you the finger, she's telling you how many seconds you have left to live.

The Clintons are experts at fighting - they fought everyone for 8 years in Washington. They thrive on it - the drama, the victimhood, the us vs them mentality. Unfortunately, most of what they got done were things that Republicans supported: NAFTA, Welfare reform, balanced budget, etc..

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/02/dirty_tricks_gone_viral.html?hpid=topnews

Background of the Kantor libel.

Received my ballot in the mail today, and no way will I vote for Hillary. I don't see her as "tough" or a "fighter" in the good sense of the word; I see her as someone who thrives on chaos and conflict, much of it her (and her husband's) own making. I've worked with people like that before, and it's a huge energy drain and terribly unproductive.

Thank goodness for Tivo.!

"Driving home I was listening to Sean Hannity on the radio. Normally I'd never listen to him."

This started the same as a penthouse forum letter. Better trolls please!!!

At the risk of repeating myself - I'll repeat myself...

Hillary can fight all she wants - it don't mean $h1t.

As the days go by - and Supers commit - it gets harder and harder for Obama to lose the nom -- even if he only ties Clinton in the remaining 4 states that he is more likely to win by a substantial margin (NC, MT, OR and SD) -- and even if she kills him in the other 5 contests (including 70 - 30 splits in her favor for WV and KY) -- and even still if she gets about 60% of the remaining Super-Deez.

So yes -- it's all over but the crying -- but if you know 3rd grade math, you already knew that.

The Clintons also invented apple pie and flag pins.

"Who is the elitist"

Hillary clinton" Rich people God Bless us"

[O’Reilly said,] “I'm not middle class, I'm a rich guy.” Clinton responded (in an awkward moment), “Rich people, God bless us. We deserve all the opportunities to make sure our country and our blessings continue until the next generation.”

Watch the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9X_nnEJmHM

re: they who mock me (er, or the one person)! I mock you back! I said "non-partisan" positions. See, there are a *lot* of positions each administration changes. But then are other positions they never change. Like if a President came into office and fired all IRS employees unless they republican. Or mail carriers. Bush admin is the 1st admin (that I know of) that politicized 1,000's of jobs that were previously "partisan free". Look it up, and wipe that egg off ya face! booooo-ya!

re: Tendrin. Er, if I understand correctly, you'd rather the Dem candidate stand there and absorb the blows, eh? Nice. At some point, realize that it'll never be what you hope. Only fighters can effect even 1% change against the disgusting, idiotic, 1-issue (fear), blah blah republicans.

Del7,

Please point to where in my post I actually said I just wanted them to 'absorb the blows'.

If you engaged your reading comprehension skills, you'd see that I only said I didn't want them to *refer* to themselves as 'fighters'. This is because it's a stupid, tired political meme that didn't work for Gore, didn't work for Kerry, and won't work for Hillary Clinton. Constantly proclaiming yourself a fighter does not convince people that you, you know, are a 'fighter'.

I've been told that it's a favorite of Shrum's and it's a well he always goes back to, so I'm not surprised to see Hillary using it.

None of this means that I don't expect politicans to do *political brawling*. Just that the use of the 'fighter' meme is tired and doesn't accomplish anything except eyes being rolled in a candidate's general direction so far as I'm concerned.

Have you ever noticed how often she touches little kids in her commercials?

I mean, I guess it's better than Bill touching them... or Hillary's former pastor... but not much, really.

Scary.

The campaign dynamic has totally flipped.

At the beginning of the year, Obama had the positive message for change and the Hillary side scoffed at him as a snake oil salesman.

Now Hillary has become the "fighter for the people" and the Obama side are sulky whiners pushing hardly any message beyond "Hillary Sucks".

Tuesday will be very interesting.

Well, we can no longer say that Obama isn't a fighter. He recently fought with Jeremiah Wright. Of course, in doing so he was fighting with his own pastor, mentor, inspirer, and (former) campaign adviser. He was also fighting against ideas that were part of the cornerstone of the church to which he enthusiastically belonged for 20 years. And he was fighting against his own words just six weeks earlier when he said he could no more renounce Wright than he could his own racist, typical white person grandmother.

You know where supporting a gas tax holiday won't help you at all? The eco-centric Pacific Northwest. KEEP FIGHTING, HILLARY!