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Hillary Wins Kentucky
All the networks call Kentucky for Hillary, seconds after the polls close. The exit polls suggest a two-to-one margin.
More from the exits:
Only 33 percent of Hillary backers in the state say they'd vote for Obama in the general election.
Of course, Kentucky's electorate is among the most conservative: Only a third of voters called themselves liberal.
Late Update: With nearly a third reporting, Hillary is leading Obama by nearly 20 points, 58%-39%.
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Lower turnout in KY, record turnout in OR. Interesting.
May 20, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
by the way, Congrats Hillary.
May 20, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Glad to see you being good sport.
I will do my best to do the same.
I like your guy's talk today about National Security. Leading for a change.
I will back dem nominee no matter what.
May 20, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Gotalife, but you should go back to prev avatar, just to make sure we keep guessing. It's more funny and effective that way.
May 20, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with the real gotalife.
Wait... huh?
May 20, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
My jaw literally just dropped open.
May 20, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed. We will have to wait to see how the final numbers turn out, but her popular vote margin might not grow so much if KY voters did not turn out and OR voters did.
May 20, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
May 20, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exit polls again showing 14% of those voting for Clinton saying they would vote for McCain in November if Clinton was the nominee.
May 20, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting.
May 20, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Congrats Hillary!
May 20, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quite right. It is a well deserved honor for Sen Clinton that the democrats of KY chose her to be the nominee. I congratulate her.
May 20, 2008 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kentucky exit polls reveal:
The vast Majority of Hillary Clinton supporters admit that they are Still Afraid Of The Dark.
Hillary's core support comes from irrational cowards.
(CNN) – The vast majority of Hillary Clinton supporters in Kentucky are not willing to support Barack Obama should he win the party’s nomination, a sign of the continuing division in the Democratic Party as the primary race comes to a close.
According to the just released exit polls, only 33 percent of Clinton backers said they would vote for Obama should he be the party’s nominee. That compares to 71 percent of Obama supporters who say they are willing to support Clinton if she wins the nomination.
May 20, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who cares about Kentucky?
This will change nothing
The fat lady has already sung, Hillary and her supporters are just deaf.
May 20, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
We all should care about Kentucky, just like we all should care about every state in the union. I agree this does nothing to change the dynamics of the nomination race, but you might want to ratchet back the rhetoric just a little.
You are crossing over into what states matter and what states are irrelevant world, which is what cost CLinton her chance at being the nominee (though I posit her IWR vote doomed her long before she announced, but that it a different discussion perhaps).
May 20, 2008 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
right on.
May 20, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lestat brings up a good point. We need ALL states support, so let's not look down.
If we're going to end Bush's 3rd term, we need to do it everywhere.
May 20, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like it went as expected, a solid win for Clinton that does nothing to "change the game".
May 20, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please forgive me (this apology in advance), but I was watching some inside-data-exit-polling figures from KY on MSNBC (it was a tough job, but...).
They finally are asking at least one "Operation Chaos" type question, which yielded results at least as interesting as all the others -- except it helps to put a stake in the heart (sorry Lestat) of her fall electability argument.
To those who had voted for Hillary in the KY primary, they asked who would vote for her in the fall. I did a brain rattling double-take when I heard the result, so I am now slightly fuzzy on the number, but know it was at least 15% said they would not vote for her in the fall.
There's the reality. OC types are putting her over in her "relevant" and/or "important" wins -- and they will vote McCain in the fall if the supers gave her the nod.
That's the game-changer that has been there since Texas... .
May 20, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. We need to find some video or text of that.
We already know that OC put her over the top in Indiana (anyone who thinks that with over 1.5 million voters that there aren't 14,000 ditto-heads fucking it up are in denial) ...but if taken in conjunction with the current (as of 41% reporting) spread of 7% if it holds, that Obama would have legitimately won Kentucky were it not for Rush Limbaugh's OC.
May 20, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is destroying Obama on national security.
She would beat him on national security and the economy.
If the supers want to win this time, they should go with Clinton. Period.
May 20, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey gotalife troll
You are a total BS fraud
Get with the program, your act is bush league. Get it?
May 20, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
GFY.
May 20, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good For You?
Got Five Yaks?
Great Friends Yes?
Go Find Yourself?
Glad For You?
May 20, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have found some help for you. The call center is located in Dublin, Ireland, so do not let the accent dissuade you Goatshite. You need the help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6qt16Ja2GE
May 20, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Proof!
I never write GFY
You are hack, bs fraud.
You are the real kool aid guzzler.
Dems unite!
May 20, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed - case closed. Real Gotalife, I hear-by retract all manners of negativity I have lobbed at you lo these many months. Welcome to the unified democratic fold, brother :)
May 20, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really. I'm pretty sure the true Clinton supporter would start the post talking Clinton and maybe, eventually, get around to McCain.
After wasting long, precious moments of my life and gray space scanning gotalife posts, the order of the arguments (though irrational to begin with) appear all out-of-order for an actual supporter of Clinton.
Only crazy-ass spew in those comments as a rule, but when the Republican gets listed first before her/his Wonder Woman Super Hero, methinks I spy a "tell."
False Flag. Not a party member. Not a Clintonista. A snickering skinhead Repug or chortling, income-400%-above-the-great-unwashed CEO Repub.
If that Flagger ever engaged in a civil discussion of the 10 reasons Clinton inspires her/him without once blowing hate speech designed to rile, I might reconsider.
But I doubt we would ever see it. Goes against the reason for posting, since the reason is to get folks riled and shouting.
I'm just thinking major waste to ever post a reaction of any kind. Shunning works, even in an anonymous social sphere. Flags hang limp without all the wind.
Just a thought.
May 20, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with most of what you say, but I look at our TPM trolls as a positive for 2 reasons:
1) They provide some hilarious opportunities for banter and snark.
2) If you rebut their bullshit, that can actually provide target practice at shooting down GOP talking points in various venues.
May 20, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just want to be loved.
May 20, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just want to be loved.
May 20, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for confirming the tell. Buh-bye now.
May 20, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doppelganger to goatlife:
PWNED!
May 20, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
In honor of this week's new release: INDIANA PWNED!!!
May 20, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
More likely McCain is scaring a war worry nation with his vision of perpetual war.
May 20, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is getting his ass handed to him on national security. Stop imitating Baghdad Bob on the intertubes.
May 20, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotalife. Already got it. GotaFalseFlag. Wave on and enjoy.
May 20, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I won't lie and say I'm not happy. I'm glad she won.
What I'd like more is an OR upset.
I know the score though. If Obama clinches the majority tonight, it's more or less over. Then it'll be time for all of us to unite under the nominee. It's time to expose McCain for who he really is, a serious threat to our country.
From now on, my focus is to set up as constructive a dialog as possible, no matter what trolls might interfere. Let's talk issues, find common ground. We've got quite a fight ahead of us, and we need to work together.
May 20, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Second, from the Obama side. I intentionally blogged anti-Republican tonight. No whining, no gloating, onward to the G.E.
May 20, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I said she wins KY. Landslide.
Clinton is tough, a fighter. Though Obama has gotten tough last couple of days.
If it comes down to it, I will vote Obama. Hope it does not.
May 20, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've decided to vote for Barack (Obama) as well.
May 20, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's fear-based, ignorance-fueled, race-and-gender baiting campaign is finally guttering to an end, leaving the party more fragmented and fraught thanks to her glee at marching down the load row, sucking nourishment from the sewers as she did all she could to not only win the nomination but to insult the intelligence of most Democrats. I, for one, will be glad to see the back of her.
May 20, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dial it back.
May 20, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It's one thing for a campaign surrogate to spin information, but Terry McAuliffe just flat out made something up on Hardball, claiming that there was a general election poll in Kentucky that showed Hillary Clinton ahead of John McCain. If such a poll exists, there is no evidence of it anywhere on the Internet. I also heard him make the same claim about a week ago, so it wasn't any kind of misspeak."
(Poblano, FiveThirtyEight.com
May 20, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
As of 4:30 PM today here in Oregon, we are still getting phone calls from Hillary's minions (including a couple of robo-calls from a women who sounds like she's a two pack a day smoker who may not live to see the first woman elected to office even if Hillary gets the nomination). We voted days ago (Oregon is all vote by mail).
We've asked them each time to take us off their phone list. Each time they say they will.
We have not received any phone calls from any other candidates.
May 20, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
And that is a HUGE tell at just how bad the operational aspect of the Clinton campaign is.
The reason you didn't get any calls form the other campaigns?
Because the campaigns that know and/or actually run a campaign here track on a daily basis exactly who has turned in your ballots. Only a mismanaged, stupid campaign would be calling voters who, if they ran a competent campaign in this state) would not bother calling because you have already voted.
This is EXACTLY the sort of ineptitude has been a huge disservice to her in this campaign. Frakin' amazing.
(shakes head)
May 20, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, I never would have thought it. But after seeing the results come in from Kentucky, I am starting to believe that Obama just can not win over the racist vote.
May 20, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess we'll just have to elect a president without the help of the racists.
May 20, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone know what time BO is speaking?
I can't watch the idiots on cable anymore - so I'll turn it on around when he's supposed to speak
May 20, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
With 37% of precincts reporting CNN gives Hillary 55%, Obama 41%.
So where is the 2-to-1 blowout we've been hearing about?
If this finishes at near 55-41, Clinton will have to drop out sooner than she wants to. Why? Because she is relying on the popular vote to put her across, and 55-41 just doesn't do it.
May 20, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
We've got a ways to go. That margin can still grow a lot.
May 20, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
63% of the precincts haven't reported. Be patient, I'm sure the numbers will get there eventually.
May 20, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
41% reporting and it is down to a 7% spread. I am sure it will be a double digit win for Clinton, but this is not the massive blowout people were predicting so far.
May 20, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
It will be 20-25 points by the end of it, I'm sure.
May 20, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah.. I had a McCain moment there and read it wrong 17% spread vs. 7% (damn carrying over)
May 20, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lower turnout, maybe. Also, you figure the more rural districts take longer to process their results than the urban areas (where I assume Obama would perform better).
May 20, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Except the eastern part of the state had their polls closed an hour before the western part.
Depressed turn-out and/or an overestimation of Clinton's strengths (or conversely underestimating Obama's) could be the reason.
May 20, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Congratulations to Clinton on her win in Kentucky.
Congratulations to Obama for winning over many of those folks too, look how close it is!
May 20, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
May 20, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or on the words of 7th grader Irving Schlossman: "DOUCHEBAGS!"
May 20, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
With Clinton's blowout in WV, Obama gains the majority of pledged delegates.
When she wins she loses.
May 20, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't it a hoot?
;-)
May 20, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sigh.
Clearly I meant KY.
May 20, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Western Kentucky looks to be a lot more progressive than eastern Kentucky from the early results so far. I think the margin is going to be closer, not further apart, than it is now.
May 20, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
41% reporting and it is down to a 7% spread.
May 20, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
your math is off- it's 17% difference. Not 7%
May 20, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
DOh... total brain fart there.
May 20, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think no matter what happens we should come together and work toward putting a Democrat back in the White House. I've been incredibly tough on Barack Obama and his supporters, but it's time for us to put that behind us and unite toward a common cause.
May 20, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now a fake dembillc? When Bizarro Matthew Weaver shows up I'm done.
May 20, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even Dembillc? This is truly a Watershed day in this election cycle.
Welcome back, brothers one and all :)
May 20, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you are not a name-jacked poster, I say with all sincerity, welcome to working towards our shared goal, restoring our nation's principles, ending the war in Iraq, addressing the serious issues we face as a nation, and protecting women's rights by assuring that John McBush gets nowhere near the White House except if he chooses to take the public tour.
May 20, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The real dembillc has been AWOL for weeks. This is another impostor.
May 20, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
QUIT FUCKING WITH MY HEAD!!!
May 20, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
One state has a record number of uneducated, low income people, and they are voting for the LOSER!
The other state has more educated people who have better than average IQs, and they are voting for a WINNER!
Guess which is which?
Hint: Both people's of these states drink the same amount of coffee, but in one state, they mix it with wipped milk and call it a Latte!
May 20, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your overheated rhetoric does NOTHING to help towards our shared goal, restoring our nation's principles, ending the war in Iraq, addressing the serious issues we face as a nation, and protecting women's rights by assuring that John McBush gets nowhere near the White House except if he chooses to take the public tour.
Stop it.
May 20, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm pretty sure this sudden outbreak of virulently attacking alleged Obama supporters, at exactly when everyone else is calming down, are a corollary to all the imposters today...
May 20, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Except the poster I was replying to was attacking Clinton supporters.
May 20, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, that was poorly worded. I mean "alleged Obama supporters who are virulently attacking..."
May 20, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Freetospeak,
I know it's easy to get worked up - but this is not about talking up one state and putting down another. We need them all.
Let's start thinking about unity for a change. I've got a lot to make up for - hopefully this is the start.
May 20, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen, brother. It's all about party unity now. We must stop McCain. If it takes a little Barackarate, so be it.
May 20, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's to democratic unity!!!
May 20, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
nice avatar.
May 20, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
The MSM is forgetting a few things:
1) Huckabee won a few races on the backs of his base, notably in Kansas and Louisiana, after everyone knew McCain would be the nominee post Super Tuesday. So why the shock and awe over Hillary in WV an Kentucky?; and
2) Oregon has a lot of rural, working class white folks that are about to break heavily for Obama. The race-driven vote (different than racist vote) is finally exposed by voting on the same day.
May 20, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there is such a supposed gap between Obama and Clinton voters on socio-ecomic, gender and racial grounds, let HRC be the VP and McCain can go back to figuring out if he wants to pander to the right-wing. Of Arizona.
May 20, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just another purple state in the Hillary column...
where as Obama's red states stay in the RED column...
And another GLARING sign that Obama would LOSE the general election where as HILLARY WOULD SEW IT UP!!
smarten up people...
But if they give it to Obama....
Vote McCain!!
May 20, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you anti-woman, anti-choice, anti-peace?
May 20, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
What are you talking about?
What leads you to believe that Clinton could win Kentucky in the GE?
May 20, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Purple state?! Are you color blind?!
May 20, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you give less than a shit about any of the things Hillary Clinton claims to be a fighter for, up to and including making sure Roe v. Wade is not overturned. For you it is nothing but a vitriolic cult-of-personality fanboy/girl thing and not about positions, principles, policy, or governance.
Any Clinton supporter who claims that they are either sitting it out or voting McCain who is the polar-opposite of what Clinton says she stands and fights for, is an utter fraud.
So why do you support Clinton yet hate everything Clinton says she is fighting for so much?
How can you really care about what she says she cares about if you are so willing to knowingly work against what Clinton says she is fighting for by either sitting it out or voting McCain?
May 20, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL
May 20, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank god RaeK is still the little Republican shitstain that it always has been. If the little black sheep had come out for unity,too, then that would mean a major security breach.
BAAH! BAAH!
May 20, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Purple state my ass.
These KY hilligans wouldn't vote for a black man if Jesus Christ himself came to earth and told then to do so.
May 20, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
All these trolls, counter-trolls, counter-counter-trolls, ex-trolls, ur-trolls, uber-trolls, ratpa-trolls...
I'm starting to feel like I'm trapped in a Philip K. Dick novel. What is reality?
May 20, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
The reality is that we must all come together as Democrats to beat McCain!!!
May 20, 2008 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
D'oh! There you go again.
This is like one of those old Superman comics where Superman suddenly turns evil and Lex Luthor turns good. The result of some cosmic ray fired by Brainiac 5. All the world is at sixes and nines.
May 20, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
RaeK - time to give it a rest. We're about democratic unity on this post.
If you feel like spouting off like that, there are plenty of McCain sites.
Enough of this.
May 20, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. It's time to come together. We're all Democrats, after all. We should start acting like it.
May 20, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you scared them off.
May 20, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everyone on this board: DRINKS ARE ON ME!!!
May 20, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
zell-
Word on the Sam Adams quote. In fact, I'll drink one to you and him 2-nite.
May 20, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most votes since March 4th?!?!
Terry McAuliffe is pathetic.
May 20, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most votes since 7 PM EST*
* This statement will be no longer operational after 11 PM EST.
May 20, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
hey Raek, since when was KY a purple state? HRC wouldn't win it in Nov either.
Why is the Clinton campaign trying to disenfranchise the voters of four of the caucus states that didn't report pop vote totals? She and her minions claim that she is winning the popular vote but they are excluding those 4 states and giving Barack ZERO votes for Michigan. Not that reality ever matters in Hillaryland.
May 20, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I got to hand it to Obama - they have the best PR campaign and the media just eats it up and reguritate it over and over. Cannot wait for the Obama Majority of Pledged Delegates Mission Accomplished banner in Iowa.
May 20, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you denying the milestone?
May 20, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
absoeffinglutely. it is a meaningless milestone. there is no difference between pledged or super delegates. meaningless.
May 20, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then you really haven't a firm grasp of the political realities of the situation, which does actually surprise me since you otherwise usually muster a good argument (not a winning one mind you, but a good one none-the-less).
Superdelgates overturning the pledged delegate results is political suicide.
May 20, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be more accurate political suicide is electing a candidate that is a kamikaze candidate that can't win the general election. Those superdelegates are entrusted precisely to make an independent judgement about who is the best candidate to win in November. That's Hillary's argument to make. Not saying it will be a winning one especially with the media buying Obama's argument lock stock and barrel, but it is a valid one and one that should have significant weight on undeclared SDs.
May 20, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good thing you're not saying it'll be a winning one since it's clearly not. She's gained, what, 2 SDs to Obama's ~15 in the past week?
May 20, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
And one of those was basically a pity endorsement.
May 20, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, watch it. Some of us live for pity endorsements.
May 20, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
What, there is a clear difference. Pledged are awarded based on the votes of the people a super just represents the view of a singular elected official and party insider. While a pledge delegate and a super delegate may both count as 1 delegate (which I think is what your point was)the pledged delegates are clearly the "main" form of delegate (for lack of a better term). They represent the will of the populace.
May 20, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahh the will of the populace. Your argument would hold more weight if the Obama campaigned valued and counted every vote, but to deny MI & FL a voice and simultaneously talk about he's won the popular will of the people is bullshit.
May 20, 2008 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your changing the topic. Mi and FL broke the rules. They were warned and they did it anyways. So they get punished. End of story.
But back to the original topic: pledged vs. super delegates.
Do you deny that pledged represent the will of the people while the supers that of just a single person? And that being the case, don't pledged delegates inherently carry more weight in the democratic process?
May 20, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are changing the subject. There is no moral difference between the pledged delegates and superdelegates. They are both part of the system for a purpose. The Obama campaign is trying to change the rules to make the SDs a freaking rubberstamp. That's not why SDs were created.
May 20, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
haha! "No I'm not, you are!"
How am I changing the subject?! Your original point was "there is no difference between pledged or super delegates." That's the subject I'm talking about. You then spun-off and brought up MI and FL.
Anyway, there are both part of the system for a purpose, but that does not mean they are the same (hell, they have different designations for a reason). You can't honestly think that the delegate Obama gets from some Senator in NC is really the same as the delegate he gets from several thousand people voting for him in NC. Can you? Seriously?
May 20, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pledged delgates and super delegates count the same, although they serve different purposes. The purpose of superdelegates is to vote their conscience. The purpose of elected delegates is to represent the will of the people. Superdelegates were created precisely so the party had a mechanism to not elect a flawed candidate that will lose in the general election (which is precisely what Hillary's argument is - she is more electable than Obama).
You are arguing superdelegates should defer to the will of the people as a rubber stamp, despite the fact that they were created to show independent judgement. To say superdelegates should be rubber stamp to respect the will of the people while simultaneously arguing two states should not be counted at all is incongruent. You can't talk about the respecting the will of the people without including ALL of the people.
May 20, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've never said the SDs should act as a rubber stamp. The SDs are designed to vote their conscience, of course. And since Super Tuesday they've been flooding to Obama.
If Hillary can persuade some to support her for, god, I don't even know what reasons, more power to her. But they're not going to be overturning the pledged delegate winner. They just aren't. You have every right to think they will, just no reason to.
After tonight Obama will be ~60 delegates short of clinching this thing. That's the real story.
May 20, 2008 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's fine for you to make that argument, but there's no concrete evidence suggesting Senator Clinton is more electable than Senator Obama in the GE. There is, however, indisputable evidence that her negatives are higher than Obama's.
Definitely something for the supers to keep in mind.
May 20, 2008 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the media is so in the tank for Obama, why is that a bad thing for winning in Novemeber?
May 20, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has unequivocally said he is NOT going to 'declare victory' tonight, but you have to admit it's an important milestone (the majority of pledged delegates) to help his case with the remaining undecided Supers.
May 20, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
djamo, unlike Clinton claiming she is leading in the popular vote, Obama ACTUALLY will have a majority of pledged delegates by tomorrow
May 20, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where is the fake dijamo?!
May 20, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
From John Marshall on the front page:
Even if you change the rules and fully seat Michaigan and Florida and count them for the popular vote totals and don't count any portion of the Michigan "uncommitted" (which were understood a the to be for Obama) vote for Obama, Hillary is still behind in the popular vote total. The only way she moves ahead in popular vote is if you do all that and don't count four of the caucus states.
May 20, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
*Josh
May 20, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ms. Fake on the show right now on the networks.
May 20, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Choir singing HillaryClinton.com Funny.
May 20, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG she just used Ted Kennedy to emphasize her "working side by side" with him in her stump speech....freaking disgusting...does she have no shame?
She could have just praised Kennedy..but noooo, gotta stick her accomplishments in there.
Ooooh she makes we want to scream....
May 20, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
She has no shame.Disgusting.
May 20, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
What does it mean, the electoral poll data, 94% of Clinton supporters believe she's most likely to win in November?
May 20, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go home Hillary.
May 20, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here she goes with the 2210 crap.
What a fucking liar.
May 20, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
She dusted off "Ready on day one." I guess she can't afford new speech writers.
May 20, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just think of it as her greatest hits tour. After this: Vegas.
May 20, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am more and more leaning towards the idea that she's trying to get her loan back.
May 20, 2008 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Out comes the gender card...
May 20, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've wondered all along why it wouldn't be in Sen. Clinton's self-interest (to the degree that what she wants is power) to stay a senator for one of the wealthiest states in the union for the rest of her life. Like Sen. Kennedy, she could likely have much more impact on American political life in the long-run.
It leads me to suspect that she's either more interested in the prestige of the White House, is deluded about the real magnitude of her negatives (confusing her husband's support for her own), or some mixture of the two.
May 20, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
feel bad for that little guy that sold his bike and video games to give money to HRC...
May 20, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even worse, she's probably called him again, prodding him to sell his teddy bear and blankie next for her campaign.
May 20, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barry better pick Hill as VP or he'll lose. He has a problem with moderate and conservative whites. Dowm 35% now in KY. Got his ass kicked again in a state w/o a large African American population. Not good.
May 20, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Except of course if he picks Hagel, or Rendell or Edwards.. etc. and cleans McCain's clock in PA.
Thansk for playing though softyhead.
May 20, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's already ahead in PA.
McSame can have WVA and KY, and Obama will take PA, MI and OH.
Book it.
May 20, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hagel a Republican, pro-life conservative? Right!
Rendell, the politics of Hillary Clinton. Rendell stands for the old school politics (not the hope/change of Barry). Also, Rendell doesn't help with women who supported Clinton.
Edwards, funny. Two time Pres. loser, one time VP loser. Loser. And again, no help with women or men who are men. $400 Haircut, small house, sleeps with dead son, nice.
May 20, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal Troll speading his message of hate.
how cute.
Tell me how many KY hillbillies does it take to fit into a Klan rally?
It would make Obama's Portland rally look like no one showed up.
May 20, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Many here seem to miss or ignore the fundamental point that Hillarycrats who will not vote for Obama are motivate by their distrust of the man. It is not a matter of pique, but rather concern about his character and competence.
They may well not like him, but that is not the decisive factor. They will not vote for him primarily because they believe he would be a disastrous choice.
Yet these blogs and the MSM do not seem fully prepared to embrace the notion. I am stunned by the hubris of the many pundits who assure us that, in the end, they (the Hillarycrats) will fall in line. There is no evidence to support the notion and it runs counter to the history of this campaign.
It's time the Chablis-sipping punditocracy took their heads out of each others assets, and stopped parroting this profoundly dumb meme.
May 20, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, they can always write in Pat Buchanan.
May 20, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, most are just pissed off at him for having the nerve to win against her. They think it was "her time." Reality blows whale chunks, huh?
May 20, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where's the data on which you're basing this claim?
All the polling I've seen about "trust" puts Senator Clinton at the losing end of that question.
May 20, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
hillary clinton is going to beat obama by 30 to 40 points here in kentucky, once all the votes are counted.... go hillary:):)
lets see what oregon does next:):)
May 20, 2008 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
dija_nyk@match.com aka dijAMo I've been waiting 4 u. U didn't return my wink ;) ps nice legs can u fit them in ur profile pic? Thx
May 20, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh shit. Dijamo has arrived.
May 20, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the fuck? Can I get a deletion of this stalker post please? Thanks for the lesson remove personal info from profile.
May 20, 2008 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously. No shit. I foolishly had a link to where I worked for the first month or two I was on here. Thought better of that quickly.
May 20, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, guys, djamo doesn't deserve this shit--delete it!
May 21, 2008 8:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the crossover TPM/Match spotlight member of the week, but I am going to pass on the advertisement. The profile has been removed asshole. Is there no respect for other people's privacy? And as just a note of warning to other the only identifying info on my profile was city state and age. Stalker!
May 20, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hate when things I post n the internet are talked about on the internet. I mean, I hate when things are publicly exposed that I put out in public.
May 21, 2008 3:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
hillary wins kentucky....she beats obama by 35 points:) wtg hillary
time to move forward.....
lets see what oregon voters have to say at 11pm edt
GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!
May 20, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
What Oregon has to say...
...ladies and gentleman, the nest President of the United States, Barack Obama.
May 21, 2008 3:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
When will Obama start appealing to people who are never going to drink the Kool-Aid?
Obama's Democratic opponents have been too polite to point out the obvious--he's supremely unqualifed for the office. The Republicans can make that the centerpiece of their takedown. They'll leave the smearing to their media operatives.
May 20, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama's Democratic opponents have been too polite to point out the obvious--he's supremely unqualifed for the office. The Republicans can make that the centerpiece of their takedown. They'll leave the smearing to their media operatives."
Not possible.
McCain is even less qualified and has much less of an excuse to be so.
I'm beginning to feel that McCain has a greater chance of losing his Senate seat when this is all over than he has of winning the Presidency. It's becoming obvious that he isn't qualified for that either.
May 21, 2008 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is soooo absurd. This race would have been over in February and should have been, but for clinton running. There is no sexism, except the false attack against people who oppose the liar and triangulator. This is soooooo ridiculous. If it was anybody but a clinton (why that matters really blows me away because the clintons sucked in the 90's), this race would have been done and has been done. It really is pathetic. If dems lose in november, I hope they rot in hell.
May 20, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
YO PEOPLE YOU OBAMAMITE SYNDROME LOONIES....
Kentucky IS a purple state when the Clintons are in town!!
Bill Clinton WON IT TWICE YOU YO YO'S !!!
And HIllary would win it in the General Election. They love her there!!
Go HIllary!!!!!!!!!!!
May 20, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
DO NOT LISTEN TO CLONE RAEK - THIS WOMAN IS AN IMPOSTOR.
I AM A REAL HILLARY GAL - BUT I WOULD NEVER TALK LIKE THIS.
THIS FAKE RAEK GIVES HILLARY SUPPORTERS A BAD NAME. I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS!
May 21, 2008 1:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
THIS FAKE RAEK DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO SPELL HILLARY. DON'T BELIEVE THIS HYPE!
May 21, 2008 1:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary looked GREAT in her speech. She was inspiring, confident and sure. If anyone had any doubts about WHO will be the nominee they shoulda been laid to rest. WE BELIEVE IN HILLARY!!
SHE WILL BE THE NOMINEE!!
She has proven she can take ALL the states we need in the GE. Obama took a lot of little RED caucus states that won't mean SHIT in the general election.
YEEAAAAAHIIIIIAAAA!!!!!!!!!
GO HILLARY. I'LL BE CALLING IN ANOTHER PLEDGE!!!!
But if she doesn't get it, DON'T FORGET ALL YOU FELLOW HILLARY GALS, IF HILLARY DOESN'T GET IT BECAUSE OF THIS CROOKED FLAWED ELECTION.... VOTE MCCAIN!! OUR GAL WILL HAVE ANOTHER GO OF IT LATER!
May 20, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS NOT THE REAL RAEK.
I WOULD NEVER SUPPORT A CANDIDATE WHO DOESN'T SUPPORT A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE. ANYONE SAYING THEY'RE ME WHO WRITES THIS IS A LIAR AND A CHEAT.
I AM A TRUE HILLARY GAL, BUT IT WILL BE A COLD DAY IN HELL WHEN I VOTE REPUBLICAN.
DEMOCRATS IN 08 - NO MATTER WHAT. I AM COUNTING ON A MIRACLE - BUT IF IT DOESN'T COME I'M WILLING TO VOTE OBAMA.
May 21, 2008 1:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and btw, we watched a bit of Obama's speech. He came across as desperate to prove something. He looked like the LOSER.
And then he fell back on his CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH........
May 20, 2008 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I HAVE BEEN HACKED!
DO NOT PAY ANY ATTENTION TO THE RAEK TROLL.
I WOULD NEVER EVERY ADVOCATE A MCCAIN VOTE - THAT'S DOWNRIGHT LOONY!
THESE TROLLS NEED TO STOP - TPM BLOGGERS - STAND WITH ME TO FIGHT THE IMPOSTERS!
May 21, 2008 1:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
THIS GUY IS A HACKER - HE HAS FOUND A WAY INTO MY PROFILE.
LOOK - I LIKE CLINTON - I WANT A CLINTON PRESIDENCY. BUT MCCAIN OVER A DEMOCRAT? THAT'S DOWNRIGHT CRAZY.
THIS KIND OF TALK NEEDS TO STOP. IT'S LUNACY!
STAND WITH ME TO FIGHT THE FAKE RAEK EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
I AM NOT INTO OBAMA, BUT I WILL SUPPORT HIM IF NEED BE.
May 21, 2008 1:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, he hasn't hacked your profile. He made a new one under the name Raeka. Not that that is much of an improvement.
Better trolls plz. TPM has a standard to maintain.
May 21, 2008 1:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, what's three miles long, has seven teeth and smells? The unemployment line in KY!
May 21, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink