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Hillary Up On The Air In June 3rd State
Here's another sign that Hillary's staying in until the end -- and perhaps intends to end the race on a positive note.
Hillary is up on the air in South Dakota, which votes on June 3rd, the last day of the voting, with this stock ad that we've seen in other states...
It excoriates Bush on the economy and presents her as a fighter for the middle class, with no mention of Obama.
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At the risk of sounding like the nerdy accountant I am, how is she going to PAY for this? Is she trying to get out of the red or not? Step one is to control your spending.
May 20, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm curious how long you can keep a campaign in debt, honestly. Like if she made it to the general election, would she have to pay off her bills finally?
May 20, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not just her own campaign she driving into debt! I'd be pissed if those were my union dues.
May 20, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bank Barack.
May 20, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, it's
STEP ONE: Steal underpants
STEP TWO: ???
STEP THREE: Profit!
THAT'S how she's going to pay for it.
May 20, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wish I knew. Then I might know what the hell it is that her campaign is thinking and doing. I don't get how or why either - since they're broke.
May 20, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary who?
May 20, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary who?
May 20, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow.
May 20, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess I know what the Clintons spent their stimulus check on
May 20, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
It was just ok for me. The message is fine, but it needs that hot disco beat from the Sam Graves spot to really work. Off you go, Hillary.
May 20, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is both admirable and sad for Hillary to keep going. Even her own staff (according to reports) thinks she is done. So how hard must it be to get up every morning at 4AM and play-act your way through another day of trying to rally your supporters? It's got to wear thin. And to keep unloading money, just going through the motions, it's really sort of depressing. But at the same time, I'll give her credit, because there's no way I could keep it up.
May 20, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I'll give her credit, because there's no way I could keep it up."
Maybe it's because you have a soul. Normal people get discouraged in the face of defeat.
May 20, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary camp says, "That's not a windmill, it is a dragon! Charge!"
May 20, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I really do hope that she ends her campaign on a positive note, but I doubt it with news about her ardent supporters, Ferraro, calling Obama a 'sexist' for brushing dirt off his shoulders, and Hillary citing a report by Karl freakin' Rove as a reason for her to stay in the race.
May 20, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe for a minute that Hillary has any plans to end this thing positively. I mean, what has she done to give that indication? Sure, she joined in the pillorying of Bush's Knesset shot and has vowed to seek unity at the end of the nomination process, but what has she done to make us believe that she really wants unity?
Every day she continues her denial of the undeniable by refusing to follow agreed-upon rules, changing numbers, channeling Rove, etc., her supporters, who have adopted her sense of entitlement, grow more hateful. Read the vitriol her followers are spewing constantly on Taylor Marsh. Read Ferraro's comments from yesterday.
Surely she sees this and, if she truly had in mind the best interests of the party, she would put an end to what's, in essence, a charade. That she hasn't done so makes me believe she's taking this thing to the convention and will pull out any and all stops at that point in an attempt to steal this thing.
I really, really hope I'm wrong.
May 20, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dana Milbank did the black knight thing in today's Post. This after doing the ex-parrot thing last week.
Very apt.
Except... Seems like he's getting all his material from the blogosphere -- unattributed of course.
May 20, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is the Obamites that are in denial.
At convention time either:
-FL and MI will be seated as voted which would result in less than 100 delegate difference between her and Obama. With the needed number increased to 2,210.
-Lawsuits will fly to get them seated. It is a curious bit of language the DNC used in their description of the "penalty". It didn't say the delegation would not be seated, it said the candidates would be stripped of pledged delegates. But all the delegates are already chosen. I take that to mean that they will all be seated and can vote as they please, unpledged. Like I said, lawyers will have a field day with the ineptitude of the DNC elders.
Either way this is going to a full vote with heavy last minute lobbying. Obamites would have people believe that BO is far ahead in the delegate count. With FL and MI included it is almost tied and Clinton is ahead in the popular vote.
May 20, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
So what is it gonna take, silver bullet? Garlic? Wooden stake? Holy water? What?
May 20, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Democratic party needs an exorcist.
I can just see hillary's head turning a 360 and spewing green pea soup.
May 20, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Never trust a Clinton
She must be forced out and soon.
It is a fantasy that MI/FL will change anything.
The DNC official site still lists 0 votes for them.
So like it or not Obama secures the nomination today.
The party no longer is in Clinton control and Obama will play hardball if necessary on MI/Fl.
May 20, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think you can file a lawsuit. It's a private organization. The simple fact that *you* suggested it makes me think it's extremely unlikely.
May 20, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course she can file a lawsuit. This is America, land of the lawyers where anyone can sue anyone. And, her lawsuit will have merit. And there is a likelihood that the judge(s) will not have a decision until convention time.
Get the popcorn.
May 20, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sue on what grounds?
May 20, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Um, what is her cause of action, what will she sue to accomplish? What are her damages?
Do fucking know anything about the law at all? Scratch that - whatever you say will be a lie.
A lawsuit. Well, that costs a lot of money and the Clintons already have one suit they are fighting in L.A.
May 20, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
"What are her damages?"
Now that is funny!
May 20, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Hillary files a lawsuit, the DNC capitulates and she gets the nomination before claiming the White House.And all americans live happy ever after?
Oh the wonderful world of Walt disney!
May 20, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's highly unlikely that FL and MI will be seated as voted, if by that you mean full delegations, without the 50% penalty, and zero pledged delegates for Obama from MI.
And even in that scenario, Obama's delegate lead would still be insurmountable, especially given that the 55 uncommitted delegates would be free to vote for him. The best you can do is delay the inevitable.
May 20, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another 40 point thumpin today proving millions of American have not drank the kool aid.
Yet, the bribed supers will vote for Oilbama.
This bs so called election continues until all Americans have voted.
Half of them will not drink the kool aid.
May 20, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Keep wallowing in your irrelevance.
Yes Hillary can be queen of Appalachia.
It is just the rest of the country that cant stand her.
May 20, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
The only one who is bribing supers is Hillary.
Don't believe me? Check it out:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/19/superdelegates-turned-dow_n_102450.html
May 20, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree Gotalife - 100% - you are #1 in my book - because I am #1 fan!
Oilbama thinks he is so slick, claiming he is leading - with more votes - that is not leadership.
Elections are about leadership - not getting more votes.
Democracy truly is crap.
That is what we should call him - Crapbama - or Oilcrapbama. Or Oilcrapcoolaidbama.
Oilcrapcoolaidbama!
Gotalife - once again -your insightful, intelligent, well written prose continue to impress (me!). I will be shadowing your posts until the end of time - or until you stop posting (tonight?)
May 20, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Clinton has argued that both states' delegations should be seated at the Democratic convention in August. The DNC rules committee has a May 31 meeting to consider options.
"Once we include Florida and Michigan, neither Senator Obama nor I will have enough delegates to get the nomination, so there is no way that this is going to end anytime soon, because we're going to keep fighting for the nomination," Clinton told voters in Prestonburg, Ky."
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080519/D90P18C80.html
May 20, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Never trust a Clinton
She must be forced out and soon.
It is a fantasy that MI/FL will change anything.
The DNC official site still lists 0 votes for them.
So like it or not Obama secures the nomination today.
The party no longer is in Clinton control and Obama will play hardball if necessary on MI/Fl.
May 20, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
"The DNC rules committee has a May 31 meeting to consider options."
May 20, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
May 31
May 20, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
"there is no way that this is going to end anytime soon"
May 20, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
"it ended in February"
See, you can prove anything with an unattributed quote!
May 20, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Boy, are these GOP trolls gonna be bummed tonight when they realize they're gonna face Obama in the fall and not Clinton (they can delete the stored up Queen of Tuzla ads they had banked).
May 20, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did you say Obama's gonna fall on his face?
May 20, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I never stop being amazed by the so-called Obama supporters who never practice what their man preaches, who despise people that don't quit, and who never even pause before insulting others.
Well, it's the movement of the hour.
I want nothing to do with you, and I know I'm not alone.
May 20, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Never trust a Clinton
She must be forced out and soon.
It is a fantasy that MI/FL will change anything.
The DNC official site still lists 0 votes for them.
So like it or not Obama secures the nomination today.
The party no longer is in Clinton control and Obama will play hardball if necessary on MI/Fl.
May 20, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure the commenters here at TPM will be devastated to lose your vote -- provided that any of us are running for office.
May 20, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do you think Clinton gets depressed when she goes to her rallies? The recent reporting suggests that nobody is showing up anymore, and if pictures tell the story, the ones who do show up are like characters out of an episode of Mama's Family. An insane fall from grace, she is now the candidate of Geraldine Ferraro and Lanny Davis and West Virginia.
May 20, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's common knowledge that Shrillary will accept nothing less than 100% of the delegates from Michigan, including all of the "Uncommitted" going to her. Why? Obama's name was not on the ballot, her's was the only one and therefore she deserves all of the delegates.
Wolfson reiterated again last night on CNN that there are no options other than the above they will accept in regards to Michigan and if they don't get what they want, they'll take this all the way to the convention.
When it someone going to swat away this annoying little gnat named Hillary???
Stay in, fine. But when you give reasons like the above as to why you should stay in, that divides people in your own party!
You know, there's a part of me that wants her to keep this up...because the long term damage will be so much more fun for us to who despise her to watch!
May 20, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
And they will negotiate. Clinton keeps her delegates. The uncommitteds are voided.
End of story.
May 20, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
On what basis would the uncommitted delegates from Michigan be "voided"?
You have no idea what you are talking about.
May 20, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Because they are not pledged to anyone so there is no way to assign them. There are no delgates for none of the above.
May 20, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, that is false.
Conventions are allowed to send and seat uncommitted delegates. These delegates can remain uncommitted, or vote for a candidate, just as the other pledged delegates are allowed.
This has happened in the past. See: Iowa Caucus, 1976. Uncommitted beat Jimmy Carter.
May 20, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
And self-righteous twits make me very very tired.
Dude you gravatar in an insult and you know it. So you can quit pointing fingers.
May 20, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I giggle at such poor losers.
If you think for ONE SECOND that Clinton is going to pull any shenanigans to rip the nimination from the rightful winner (BARACK OBAMA)...you are drinking your own KOOL AID.
She needs the Democratic Party more than the Democratic Party needs her. Funny business will ruin her chances for a place in the party forever.
But you keep fooling youself.
It's officially over June 3rd. (However it has reallllllllly been over since Clinton screwed up by not having a post Feb 5th plan. THAT is no one's fault but her own.)
May 20, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Boy you got all that right.
In the first place, she's got to go back to the senate if she wants to have a career, still. So she's only going to be able to go so far before she reaches the point where she can't go back with any comfort.
That's just in the first place...
May 20, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but T, do you really think she wants a career?
She wanted the Presidency. Now that she has lost it is highly unlikely she will be able to run again with any hope of success.
Seeing as how her husband has made 100+ million she doesn't need to work, so why bother?
May 20, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
What she wants, above all else (and, in fact, feels entitled to) is the presidency of the United States.
That's what scares the hell out of me.
You mentioned earlier, Tena --- maybe in this thread, maybe in another --- that you were floored by the audacity of Hillary to think she could tell someone when they could or could not claim victory or celebrate. She's basically declared herself the rulemaker!
I mean, WTF?!?!?!
At this point there's nothing Hillary and her tragicomic triumvirate of Howie, Lanny and Terry could do that would surprise me.
May 20, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
May 31 matters more than June 3.
May 20, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Q: Have you ever been right about anything?
I've been reading your posts for some time now and you are never correct.
May 20, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually I've been right about most things.
You OTOH just make shit up.
May 20, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly fogu - you've been right about nearly everything - which makes me certain that HRC (clington) will be nom (nominee) for demos (deocrmats)
Keep up the good wrk - you continue to make all us HRC's (Clinton!) support prowd!
May 20, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the blow job.
May 20, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I knew it!
May 20, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Hillary wins bigger in Kentucky today than Obama wins in Oregon, she could end the day with a larger share of today's delegates. She'll probably win more votes today, but end up with fewer delegates because certain precincts are likely to be favored more because of past voting patterns. Whatever. But I am curious to see which big name endorsement Obama will roll out as a way to keep the focus off Hillary.
May 20, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Never trust a Clinton
She must be forced out and soon.
It is a fantasy that MI/FL will change anything.
The DNC official site still lists 0 votes for them.
So like it or not Obama secures the nomination today.
The party no longer is in Clinton control and Obama will play hardball if necessary on MI/Fl.
Hillary will probably win today by 1-3 delegates.
Totally insignificant. Obama secures the nomination today.
The end of the Bush-Clinton era, CELEBRATE
May 20, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
May 31
May 20, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
May 31 will change nothing.
They will not be seated the way Shrillary wants.
I doubt the rules committee changes their ruling oN MI/FL
May 20, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
And even if they do it is the credentials committee that matters, and Obama will own that.
May 20, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Obama will have an insurmountable delegate lead regardless.
May 20, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is already known that the credentials committee has a majority of staunch Clinton supporters on it. It has from the beginning.
May 20, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fogu's simpler posts reek of Gotalife copycat antics.
Don't try to copy the pros (profs) myfriedn - there is only 1 (one) Gotalife - and his style cannot be imitated.
Find your own voice (racist like icon?)
May 20, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
wminme, I'm sympathetic to your cause, but just posting the same thing over and over is annoying and somewhat trollish.
May 20, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is entirely possible, but it does little to change the circumstances. The math is simply not on Hillary's side, even if the DNC caves to her ludicrous demands on MI and FL.
May 20, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Go ahead and seat the Florida, Michigan delgates as is. Let her have these dubious totals.
The vast majority of remaining superdelegates will be so appalled by Clinton's cynicism, her absolute lack of integrity, that they'll flock to Obama is droves, just to make it right. In fact, each day that she presses these desperate, specious arguments, she's likely alienating more and more fence-sitters.
May 20, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
The vast majority of remaining super delegates, and,/b> the voters.
Her unpopularity has risen and her perceived integrity has fallen, with every state she's campaigned in.
May 20, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
And yet she's winning today.
more than winning, she'll squash O like the bug he is.
May 20, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
In Kentucky. She will stomp him in Kentucky just like she did in West Virginia.
Big fucking deal.
May 20, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Go ahead and seat the Florida, Michigan delgates as is. Let her have these dubious totals."
Yup.
May 20, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
"You can declare yourself anything, but if you don't have the votes, it doesn't matter," Clinton...
May 20, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup.
May 20, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't she the one who said "Lobbyists are people too"?
How does she get away with being a "fighter" for "all of you"? I know it doesn't matter anymore, but it's so outlandish that she could get away with such an abrupt switch.
May 20, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know it's a waste of my breath, but this comment makes no sense. "Normal people get discouraged in the face of defeat"--and then they give up? People who don't get discouraged have no soul?? A whole lot of people in Oregon and Kentucky are voting for her precisely because they admire her fortitude.
May 20, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup.
May 20, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup!
Bwahahaha!
May 31!
I'm getting the hang of this fogu (gotalife - did you hack into Fogu's acct?)
May 20, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yeah, and the Chicago Tribune has a great piece today on race and the southern voters - a photo of a typical "Git 'er done" in rural Kentucky, at least 300 lbs. and sitting amidst a pile of trash (he owns a "garage sale"...whatever that means, but must be big bucks I hear to own one of those down there) who is quoted underneath his photo as saying (and I'm not kidding here...look on the Trib's website if you don't believe me) "I ain't voting for no colored."
The most pathetic part was that he's a big Clinton supporter!
Wow, Amy Poehler was right on SNL - Shrill's voters are racists down there!!
May 20, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's rural Kentucky, for all love.
Anyone who expected differently has been living in a dream world. I hate to knock whole segments of our population, but it's rather impossible to ignore the plain truth on the ground. Yes, they are racist and no they probably won't vote for him. And what's more, they wouldn't vote for her in the general, either.
So big woop!
May 20, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Self-loathing racist that you are.
May 20, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
And you just squawk an litter the threads with chickenshit, you chickenshit.
May 20, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Love Kentucky.
Hate Texas.
Bluegrass rules.
Ricky Skaggs for VP!
May 20, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally fukyu2 - if anyone isn't a racist it's you - especially with that kickass icon (slavery!)
keep calling people out on their crap flvaored BS (powdered for cool aid).
MAY 31st!
Bwayhahar@!
May 20, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was in response to DirkVA
May 20, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bwahahahah!
fogu2 did you find a bank that will cash that check written in crayon???
Do math much?
Let's count Florida and Michigan.
right now
Obama 1994
Clinton 1912
There are 189 pledged delegates left. Obama will most certainly get 90 of those.
1994 + 90 = 2084
There are 20 Edward's delegates left. Even being absurdly generous Clinton no way gets more than 5 of those after Edward's endorsement.
2084 + 15 = 2099
Of the Michigan delegates 55 were uncommitted but in the state convention Obama secured some 36 of them with the others going to Unions, some of which he will probably get.
2099 + 40 = 2139
That means Obama needs 70 of the remaining 247 supers.
Ooops, what was that? Another Super for the big O.
Ooops there goes another, oops there goes another super delegate.
He's got high hopes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlsitMRQAdA
laugh troll laugh
hahaahahahahah!!!!
America. Fuck yeah!
May 20, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
So we agree it will go to the convention.
May 20, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLMAO!
O yeah, we can agree, since it makes all the difference.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 20, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Um, no.
Not if enough superdelegates declare for Obama first. And they will, in order to avoid the convention battle on which you pin your meager hopes.
May 20, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Once again - FOgu - making total sense - well acrticulated.
May 20, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look if you're gonna stalk me with poor attempts at irony at least you could be a better typist than I am.
May 20, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hope you have another avatar ready with a painful scream.
ROFLMAO!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 20, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
To anyone who doesn't believe race is not an issue in this election OR that many of Shrillary's supporters are racist down south, take a gander at this...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-kentucky-votersmay20,0,617861.story
May 20, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obamas black supporters are voting based on race.
What's your point?
May 20, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama negotiating with clinton over Michigan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlsitMRQAdA
May 20, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's in a box.
He missed his chance for a deal.
He can't oppose the May 31 ruling or he will look bitter and discriminatory.
Clinton gets what she want by decision or judgement.
This goes to the convention.
Get the popcorn.
May 20, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly fogu - I have my crap flavored cool aid and oily popcorn ready to go - to cram down the faces of all the oilbamacrapcoolaidemocrats!
oilbamacrapcoolaidemocrats!
May 20, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks what your friendly neighbourhood moonies dug up:
Makes you wonder what damage she could've done to the nation's finances with all the gas tax pandering!
May 20, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Big Eddie Schultz is layin' the wood on Hillary today, re: the popular vote canard she's spreading around with her sycophants.
May 20, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why would he even care?
Bwahahaha.
May 20, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink