Typical DLC thinking not to mention Obama is rushing to listen to THE most corrupt Democratic member of the Senate.

LOL.

Later still, Hillary brought the hammer down: "I would look to the camp of my opponent for the source of those stories," she said.

Hm

Ironically, it's the ultimate Washington insiders pushing for this to happen. They want to make their friends happy; they're not thinking about what's best for the ticket or the country.

Also, looking forward to HRC bashing Feinstein for bringing it up.

Yes, the kool aid guzzling, Clinton haters will hate it, so that is a good thing.

Kooks.

Tom Carper also said, "In case something should happen, Hillary would be the best candidate to take over as President." Other Clinton supporters have been echoing this line in recent days.

If this is true. No. No. No. A Thousand Times No!!!

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232008/news/nationalnews/why_hill_wont_drop_out__bobby_kennedy_wa_112232.htm

I think I wouldn't mind (not want, necessarily, but wouldn't mind) that ticket if I could be guaranteed Bill Clinton wouldn't be allow to lurk about the corridors of power. Hillary's a scrappy fighter, and may hit below the belt, but w/e. You can't say she isn't tenacious. I'll admit it, I have a bit of a grudging admiration for her stamina at this point. But I can't extend the same to Bill. If raw ambition were like pants, his fly would be wide open. He can't even hide how badly he wants to be back in the White House.

She is not taking into account how much Clinton supporters have come to hate him and how much Obama supporters have come to hate her. What kind of alternate universe do these people live in??

I think she would be a terrific Secretary of State, actually.

"The weight of the states he carried versus the states she carried. It's different. And, therefore, if you combine them both, you've got the best electoral path."

Ummmm, is she stupid? If you combine the states Hillary won and Obama won in the primary, that's, ummmm, EVERY STATE.

Wow, such keen analysis: "The weight of the states he carried versus the states she carried. It's different. And, therefore, if you combine them both, you've got the best electoral path."

Did Bush teach you that? Or a monkey? Jesus Christ...seriously, that has to be the laziest electoral analysis I've ever heard. Why don't we just decide who to pick as the VP by who carries the 5 biggest jello-consuming states?

Diane Feinstein is all about Diane Feinstein. She too has lost her San Francisco roots.

Obama-Richardson '08!:

http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/05/cut-crap-obama-richardson-is-real-dream.html

her comment about RFK, i just read the article. That stuff is just way out there...

Off topic, but the link below goes to a Clinton-centered blog. The post in question deals with how biased Josh Marshall is for Obama, which of course makes him a misogynist.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/22/political-toxic-waste/#comment-271669

Where is the unity?

Oh that is right, just kool aid.

Kooks.

Pelosi thinks otherwise. Was it a slip? a gaffe? It's telling:

JUDY WOODRUFF: Do you still believe that an Obama-Clinton or Clinton-Obama ticket is not likely?

REP. NANCY PELOSI: I do. In all honesty, I do think it is not likely. They haven't asked me who I think should be their running mate. You have. And I don't think that would be the ticket that will win for us.

Let me say it another way: I don't think that's the ticket that is going to happen. If it is the ticket that happens, it will be the winning ticket, but I don't see it happening.

Full transcript: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june08/pelosi_05-21.html
audio and video stream also available.
I originally aired on the Newshour on May 21,2008

Here's the link to Mark Halperin at Time's The Page reporting the RFK assassination comment by Clinton:

http://thepage.time.com/

Obamamanics, how about addressing Feinstein's point about the electoral map.

Obama cannot beat McCain in OH, FL, MO or NV according to latest polling. These are states Hillary beats McCain head to head. As VP she can certainly swing those states to the Democrat column.

Are voters in WI, IA, CO going to jump ship because she's on the ticket? As a Democrat, i'd glad trade those 26 electoral votes for the 61 electoral votes Hillary could bring to the Democratic Party.

Greg,
I'm really upset about the assassination quote from Hillary. Could you follow up on that, please?

As a Bay Area Californian, Feinstein disappointed me many years ago, but this is by far the worst offense. She is coming off like one of Hillary's mobster thugs, with all the blackmail, extortion and mentions of RFK assassination we've been subjected to today.

I need a drink.

Re: Today's RFK Comment

GO TO HELL CLINTONS.

GO.

TO.

HELL.

I really and truly cannot believe she said that. I cannot. Believe. It.

How dare she. My god.

Allsburg? Articleman? Unity pony?

I can't help you, lady. That shit is f-ed up.

The RFK story is *exploding* everywhere but Sidney Points Memo.

Hillary is finished.

All due respect...I'm just sayin'.

Alot can happen to a guy, y'know. It'd just be a shame if he was to...y'know. I mean, a guy can just be walking down the street one day. All kinds of things could happen.

No offense. I mean, y'know. It's just nice to know you have a little...ah...protection. Puts a mind to rest.

Just talking' here.

DiFi's argument, like those of so many in the Clinton camp, seems to be entirely "do this because it will help you win." It amazes me how little the Washington insiders like DiFi understand Obama and his campaign that they think campaign-strategy arguments like this are convincing.

The campaign is extremely important, but in his few comments about the VP slot, Obama has indicated that he's looking for someone who shares his outlook (and implicitly, will continue his legacy if they succeed him.) The campaign lasts until November, and there's a lot more time after that where the VP's views matter a lot more. If you can't successfully make that argument first, then all the strategy arguments in the world are moot.

Sen Clinton is "clarifying" her remarks on RFK. MSNBC is carrying it live. Exceedingly brief, apologizing to the Kennedy family. It's pretty clear from her carriage and demanor these words were forced into her mouth, and they taste like crap to her. I give the apology a D+, that of a 13-year old caught in a lie.

yeah. one way to get on the ticket for sure is to threaten the nominee with an assasination attempt.

everytime hillary opens her mouth, the nightmare ticket becomes less and less of a possibility.

if she blows this election i will never forgive senator clinton. i will never vote for her should she seek higher office again. i will do everything in my power to defeat her and her machiavelian ways. I will make sure that future generations will know what a disgusting politician she was and is. the stakes are just too damn high for her ego and her sense of entitlement to get in the way of a win in November.

Obama wants to curtail 527's, among other reasons, to control the message in the general election. By placing Clinton on the ticket, Obama will lose control of his message. The coverage of his campaign will be distracted by Clinton constantly. It will also undermine some of his strongest talking points. "The misguided war in Iraq that McCain and my running mate enabled with their votes in the Senate." That just doesn't seem to have the same impact.

As other's have mentioned, Feinstein's judgement is questionable given her history. And I've heard more than enough commentary from Clinton supporters in her demographic to know that beneath all the rhetoric about noble causes and historical similarities and fighting until the end, what is really at the heart of their support is the often mentioned, "lifelong dream of seeing a women in the office before I die."

If these supporters cannot look past their selfish desires and acknowledge the fundamental harm Clinton would do to the Obama ticket, then we will know which camp is the real cult of personality.

The only good news about her despicable RFK reference is that it should serve to reinforce Obama's resistance to making her his running mate.

And the latest polling makes clear he doesn't need her on the ticket to win. In fact, for many reasons that others have noted, she would likely be a constant distraction that would pull him down.

So the only real "reason" to pick her would be to salve her wounded ego. To which, she should be told as diplomatically as possible: "get over it."

1) Given that Feinstein has been on the wrong side of far too many votes--especially her coverage of her friend Chuck Schumer on the Mukasey nomination--I think we should shunt her opinion into the circular file, where it belongs.

2) I don't like how Senator Clinton has maneuvered, bent the truth, used race-baiting, and all the other nonsense she's done in the last couple of months in her efforts to secure the nomination. That being said, her reference to RFK in the video sounded fairly innocuous to me: "RFK was still campaigning in June," was how it came across.

I'm not a HillaryHater, like so many, but I sure don't like her. Even so, I think folks are over-reacting here. Just one man's opinion.

Hillary is totally uncooperative! How the hell could an Obama White House function effectively with Bill and Hillary mucking things up for eight years?

"This one's key, because someone like Feinstein has the capacity to be influential among super-dels."

Unlike, say, Nancy Pelosi and Jimmy Carter who said it was a bad idea? Oh yeah, DiFi, a real star of the party. LOL

From the Fat Chance Department

Our double dealing Sen. DiLies

BLACKMAIL is how Hillary has always advanced her political career. I have always suspected that her run for senate in New York was arranged as her price for standing by Bill in the 90s. So now, having lost the primary, she is using her supporters to blackmail the Democratic party to give her that next promotion; as VP, the supreme court, or president of the senate. The deal is that if she doesn't get some big reward for becoming a team player, she will sabotage the Democrats this Fall with protracted lying to her supporters, pretending that the nomination was stolen from her, pretending she did not lose months ago in a fair election.

I hope Obama does not give in to her EXTORTION, and giver her the VP slot. If it did not destroy his chances at being president, it would destroy his presidency. She deserves NOTHING, she isn't even fit to keep the senate seat. The more Democrats indulge her, the more she thinks she is entitled to.

jward,

The problem with these polls is that the Clinton supporters (or at least a good portion of them) are feeling jaded and angry towards Obama and are clearly stating that they'll vote for McCain or not vote. The Obama supporters are feeling more generous and saying "Sure, IF Clinton is the nominee, I'll vote for her". These Clinton supporters will mostly come to their senses for the general election. These polls mean absolutely nothing. If he doesn't pick her for VP, it will all be forgotten before too long, and the Dems will come around and vote for Obama.

Pablo

Feinstien is another DLC Republican Lite. By the way, I would think that someone that has earned the nomination has also earned the right to select the VP of their choosing. Let Obama and is campaign decide who would be best on the ticket. He is choosing someone that will enhance the ticket and someone that he wants to work with for four grueling years. He shouldn't be forced to accept anyone he doesn't want.

She should be rewarded with a swift kick in the ass and a well-funded primary challenger in 2012.

The fact is, I do want Barack Obama to pick a VP who is absolutely the best person to become president someday (after eight years as VP or if something DID happen to the president). But that means the worst person he could pick would be Hillary Clinton. She's demonstrated to me that she'd be a terrible president - all power-mad ambition and egotism, with absolutely no concern for anything but herself. I really don't understand why she's not a Republican, and I certainly don't understand why any Democrat would support her.

As usual, this is ALL about the Clintons (both of them), and has nothing to do with what's good for the country or good for the Democratic Party.

Hello, get out of your fantasy world. Hillary has just threatened Obama's life for the fourth time. Having her for a vp would be like living with a snake. He will always have to worry about Hill and Bill stabbing him in the back. He is about change and the Clinton's are about most recently the Columbia NAFTA Free Trade bill. With Bill and Hill in the house Obama will not get anything done. American's want change. Bill and Hill set the table for Republicans to bring down this country. Do your homework. Check out the facts and stop dreaming.

I'm assuming that this Feinstein push was before her candidate's invocation of the tragedy which occurred in her home state in 1968.

No way, no how - not in a million dog years will he relent to the pressure. Even before this latest flap he'd have been foolish to put her on the ticket.

And the beauty of her latest 'gaffe' is that it gives him a plausible out - that even her hardest-of-the-hard-core supporters would be unarmed and unable to whip out the tired 'sexist' label for not choosing her.

Karma is a b***h. Sometimes - but not often enough - the universe looks out for the right side.