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Hillary Picks Up Four New "Add-On" Super-Dels
Hillary just picked up four new super-dels -- so-called "add ons" that were selected by the New York state party today.
The four, according to her campaign, are: Andrew Cuomo, Thomas DiNapoli, C. Virginia Field and Carmen Arroyo.
Separately, the Obama camp announced a new super-del today: Texas DNC Member John Patrick.
Between these, an earlier Connecticut super-del for Hillary, the Joe Andrew switch to Obama, and the three Illinois add-ons for Obama announced earlier, that brings the daily tally to this:
Obama netted five super-dels; Hillary netted four.
Late Update: The Obama camp says he's 283 overall delegates from winning the nomination.
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I think as Obama's carefully orchestrated trickle of superdelegates continues, we are starting to see the response from Hillary's. There are two contests in a few days, and Obama is trying to show momentum. Is it real or is it Memorex?
May 1, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup... and despite Wright, bittergate, losing PA, etc, he still gets more supers than her. Aint that something?
May 1, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. I suspect Hillary has far less of them to trot out, however. And reports from party insiders would seem to support that.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9968.html
The game now is for Obama to drive Hillary to a concession without giving the appearance of having driven her out of the race. As Rahm Emmanuel said last week, the winner has to win right, or the Democrats have a real problem. That means the loser must see the writing on the wall and agree to concede.
This will look like a tennis match for awhile longer. Then it will start looking like one of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PcL6-mjRNk
May 1, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
You better believe it's real.
And it will only get more real after Guam, N. Carolina, and Indiana, as he will only need a pittance of superdels to put him over the top.
... and the superdels aren't going to want to cross their candidate and the likely next president. They'll all be coming in, fast and furious, in the hope of having been there for him in order to put him over the top.
May 1, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its real..
May 1, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is an add-on delegate? I've never heard of this.
May 1, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a good link from FlyOnTheWall:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/convention-math-remember-the-u.php
May 1, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
dojo
How do you pull out those archived TPM blogs so fast ? I can't seem to fid my own posts after 3 days. What's the secret ?
May 1, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly? I just googled "add-on delegate" (hangs head in shame) For your own posts, have you tried to access them through "your profile (edit)" up above?
May 1, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Google it is then. Yes, I tried my profile but that shows only my latest posts and not all my posts.
BTW, love your avatar.
May 1, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why thank you! It's actually a painting by the Luo Brothers, a trio of amazing Chinese contemporary artists. http://www.artnet.com/artist/10848/luo-brothers.html
May 1, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
While it's good for Hillary to get delegates, she cannot afford to merely keep up with Obama vis-a-vis SD announcements. Because of her deficit, she must win something like 70% of the remaining delegates. However, Obama has still received more endorsement than her post-Pennsylvania. And the more endorsements that come forward, the smaller the pool from which Hillary can draw. The game is slowly coming to a close.
May 1, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Late Update: The Obama camp says he's 283 overall delegates from winning the nomination.
Chugga chugga chugga chugga....choo choo! The Obama express will be arriving June 3rd.
May 1, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I hear the Obama Express is running early, and might show up shortly after North Carolina and Indiana.
May 1, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
The people who know her best, at that.
May 1, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrew Cuomo: The "Shucking and Jiving" guy?
May 1, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's correct.
May 1, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another big disappointment. The Cuomo name was one I'd hitherto highly respected.
May 1, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's been a backer of Clinton since the beginning, so this isn't surprising at all.
He's doing ok as Attorney General, I think.
But I live in CT, near the border of NY, and I don't really know what NYers think of Cuomo.
May 1, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah . . . How is Cuomo an NEW Super?
Inquiring minds whatta know . . .
May 1, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that Cuomo is a new Clinton super in that until just today he was not a superdelegate. He was a Clinton supporter, but not a super delegate. Now he is a superdelegate, so he gets to count in the "Clinton's supers" column. Still and all, it is sort of deceptive because this particular slot was going to be filled by a Clintonite, whether Cuomo or someone else.
May 1, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's not a Super in the sense of someone who is automatically given a delegate slot because of holding a particular elected office or being a member of the DNC. These are the supers who are in contention - as your question implies, we know who they are, but not necessarily whom they plan to support.
There is another kind of delegate altogether - the "unpledged add-on" - each state gets one or more of these, and the positions are awarded in each state by one or another sort of committee by rules chosen by the state party. It is generally going to be pretty clear which candidate's supporters will have control of deciding who gets put in these add-on delegate slots, by looking at the make-up of the body doing the selection.
Any person being put in one of the "unpledged add-on" spots will be a known supporter of a particular candidate - and a thoroughly vetted one at that. The term "un-pledged" here is really just a technicality. Cuomo just got named to fill one of Hillary's NY un-pledged add-on slots; in that sense he's a "new" super but from delegate counting perspective it is not new support for Hillary.
It's confusing to have these add-ons lumped in with the super delegates. The real news is that Andrews, a true super delegate, has switched to Obama.
May 1, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me too...
May 1, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
You did not just say "shuck and jive!" HusseinTenaX! We got another one!
May 2, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who was it that pointed out that, to date, Obama has gotten the support of the vast majority of Senate committe chairs?
May 1, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I remember correctly, Obama's Illinois add-ons were the result of "political machinations"
Hillary's supers, otoh, are "so-called add-ons".
sigh...
May 1, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Flufferwink, do you agree now that Greg is biased ?
May 1, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has Hillary proposed a Tax Holidays Czar yet?
May 1, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Politico does a great job summarizing this stuff:
http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/
May 1, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can see it coming from a mile away.
Run Obama and mcwar will win.
Then the kool aid will wear off and you will realize you are to blame.
May 1, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure thing - because all of your previous prognostications have been so spot on.
May 1, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama wins the DEM nomination and we won't have to choose between McCain and Clinton . . .
May 1, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
you saw hillary's 30-point victory in PA from a mile away, too. maybe you need new glasses.
May 1, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
And when they agree to include FL and MI as they voted, and they will, Clinton will have a net gain over Obama of over 100 delegates in one fell swoop.
Watch Obama sart moving toward this as he needs the FL delegates to get anywhere near the 2025. But it will backfire and work to Clinton's advantage becaseu he will still not have the 2025 at convention time.
BOOM!
May 1, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
"And when they agree to include FL and MI as they voted, and they will.."
No they won't, BOOM!
May 1, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
oh great seer, who will win the third at belmont tomorrow?
May 1, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
MI and FL delegations will be seated because by then Obama will have the nomination wrapped up. There will be no reason not to seat them.
May 1, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
"BOOM?" Are you trying to be the John Madden of TPMEC?
May 1, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ari Gold
May 1, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dang, I am being censored.
Keep fighting.
May 1, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
If that were only possible....
May 1, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is simply false that Obama needs delegates from FL to reach the 2025 (2024, actually) required for the nomination. Not counting FL and MI, there are nearly 700 delegates remaining, including both pledged and supers. Obama needs only 283 of them.
May 1, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't anyone for Hilalry consider the fct that Obama's supporters were not included in the MI vote?
So how could those dels be seated, if you are all so determined to make sure democracy is served, what about the Obama voters who did not get to vote for him?
Aren't they worthy of our democracy, too?
May 1, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
The delegates have already been chosen and he got the vast majority of "uncommitted" delgates. He'll get what he deserves.
May 1, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto here in FL, lots of people didn't go out to vote because they knew it wouldn't count anyway. Thought it wouldn't count, that is.
May 1, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. And all the blathering on blogs is not going to convince the supers to commit political suicide by blowing off those "woulda voted if it counted" voters.
May 1, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that's funny.
May 1, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or a cranial-rectal extraction.
May 1, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's awesome. Thank you so much for the link!
May 1, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dang it...this "thanks" goes to dojo23 for the FOTW link.
I'm not saying the cranial-rectal extraction was awesome, Josh. Sorry. ;O)
May 1, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
While these count in reality they provide no indication of movement. These are NY Dems allied with Clinton from the beginning. They just had to be "officially" chosen by the state Dem convention. They are like Kathy Sullivan in NH or Daley in Illinois. They are supers chosen by the State dems but everyone knows that -- if chosen --the NY supers would go to would go to Clinton and the Illinois Supers to Obama. Andrews is still the jolt of the day.
May 1, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maryland hands out 2 Add-ons today and I think D.C. hands out 2 also. Those will certainly lean toward Obama if not all 4. Politico has a good tracker of when the add-ons will be named by each state and how many each get.
May 1, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is good news for Obamanites. This takes 10 more supers off the table increases the % of the remaining that she needs.
Obama will get at least 200 delgates out of the remaining primaries leaving 83 of the remaining 285 which is less than 30%.
May 1, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, been near these percentages for a few months, the gap will be overwhelming May 7th.
May 1, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since the add-on delegates just reflect the winner of the state, this isn't really a surprise - either for Clinton's New York add-ons or Obama's Illinois add-ons.
These particular superdelegates don't really reflect any momentum. The other superdelegate stories are far more interesting and important.
May 1, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
AP: Obama now trails her by just 15 superdelegates, 248-263
It's gonna be over soon.
May 1, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why thank you, L.W.!
May 1, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
But But But
Who will reverse the mistake that George W. Bush made by allowing Bill Clinton to sign over the Indiana Manufacturing plant to China.
May 1, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bloomberg on the gasoline tax holiday:
“It’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard in an awful long time from an economic point of view...."
Bloomberg praised officials who opposed the “summer break on gasoline taxes which would help [Venezuela's Hugo] Chavez, [Libya's Muammar el-] Qaddafi and other people like that."
May 1, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
"add-ons"...
I thought it was "political machinations"? Only the sinister sounding description for Obama supers, I see.
May 1, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe Andrew switched his support, therefore Hillary
netted three superdelegates with the the add ons.
4-1=3... Then again basic math was thrown out of this race along time ago
May 1, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
My guess is that once Obama hits the magic number, Hillary will stay on and justify it by declaring that Obama's delegates could still swing to her, which will then trigger a mass exodus of super dels from her own boat.
May 1, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like the way you think.
The funny thing is Hillary and Rev Wright share the same fault: Gigantic egos that won't let them quit. Wright can't make himself stop saying crazy stupid shit and Hillary can't admit she lost. Damnit, the Presidency is owed to her! After all she put up with, Richard Mellong Scaife (her new bff but former Godfather of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy), that slut Monica Lewinski, her husband's 37 different venerial deseases, if she loses this election it will all have been for naught.
May 1, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary has always said that even pledged Obama delegates can switch to her regardless of their pledge.
May 1, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
She also got the AFL-CIO Conn endorsement today, so her net gain is 4.
May 1, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is one surefire way to get Wright off the TV screens...just get him to endorse Hillary!
Of better yet, McCain, then the media would drop him like a hot potatoe.
May 1, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Seargent,
I have been reading your stuff for
awhile now and have lost all respect
for you.
You are nothing but a fucking shill for
Hilbilly gang.
blech.... won't be coming here anymore
May 1, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ouch.
May 1, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've come to the conclusion that, while he's clearly in the tank for Hillary, he's more of a foil than a shill. I think he just enjoys pissing people off.
May 1, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Still not making up any ground, rather falling further behind. A lot like the primaries. And we question whether or not Obama can close the deal. The deal was closed following the 11 straight. She needs a 70%+ victory on Tues in both states to even mention the words "tide is turning." Anything less and the number becomes close to 80%. A daunting task considering she has never done either. And no one to blame but herself for not having strategy and then trying to wing-it following SC.
May 1, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg - Someone at TPM --- Baron Hill announced for Obama yesterday.... He's a congressman. Is anyone counting this Super Delegate??? I know ... How significant can an Indiana endorsement from a sitting congressman be just a few days before the primary? It's not hard to find the endorsement. I even included a link in an earlier post.
May 1, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to be too picky- but I think the math is off (or leaving something out). Obama has the three add-ons coming from Illinois, plus Andrew, plus John Patrick, for a net of five. Clinton, picked up four add-ons from New York, and LOST Joe Andrew, for a net of three.
May 1, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Missed the CT Super del- your net four was correct
May 1, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
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May 1, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lose precious sleep for THAT? Thanks, but no thanks.
May 1, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait a sec...
Why is it when Obama gets add-on delegates in Illinois, it is "due to some machinations...", but when Hillary gets add-on delegates, it is a "pick up"?!
May 1, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on.
No one has done more for Super Delegates than Barack Obama.
May 1, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink