Pelosi Warns Clintonites: No "Scorched Earth" Approach
Nancy Pelosi, in an interview today, cranks up the warnings to Clintonites who may or may not be plotting to take things all the way to the convention:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Friday warned supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who are threatening to take the delegate fight as far as the Democratic National Convention, that they are pursuing "a scorched earth philosophy" that would seriously damage the chances of electing a Democratic president in November."There is too much at stake in our country for us to be thinking that we can afford the luxury of intra-party battles eight weeks before the election," said Pelosi, in her strongest words yet on the battle over seating delegates from Florida and Michigan.
Meanwhile, Hillary struck an even tone today when asked about pressure from party leaders to end this, saying: "I think that after the final primaries people are going to start making up their minds. I think that's the natural progression that one would expect."
The question, though, is whether the Clinton camp will fight on even after the super-dels have made up their minds.















Thank you, Madam Speaker.
I really admire you and I appreciate your leadership at this point.
May 30, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's classy and she reminds me so much of my grandma.
May 30, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, no accountabilty for w's gang is great leadership.
Damn.
May 30, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like her also. Problem is she can't prevent the clintons from taking this to the convention and the clintons will take it all the way. They don't care about anything, but the clintons.
May 30, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clinton won't take it away. After her assassination remark, Hillary became radioactive. Few, if any will rally around her.
May 30, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I think that she's made it clear that the leadership will not tolerate infighting. I believe that it translates to the SuperDels supporting the nominee, making any desire the Clintons may have to take this fight to the Convention irrelevant.
May 30, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. I can't believe Greg speaks of an "even tone." HRC's statement was a completely opaque Clintonian statement that can later be interpreted to mean anything she wants it to mean.
May 31, 2008 4:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
And the reaction of any Clinton Supporter after hearing Pelosi say this - "Blah Blah Blah Yap Yap Yap"
Most will be a lost cause, I'm afraid.
OBAMA 08!!!
May 30, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good luck stopping Hillary, she has the biggest ego in the history of humanity.
May 30, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love Pelosi, too! I just wish Shrillary's supporters would listen to her!
May 30, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her and Harry Reid and Howard Dean and the other people who are actually, you know - in charge.
May 30, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, if might help to convince more of her supporters to come on board if folks stopped using derogatory slurs when saying Senator Clinton's name.
May 30, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh come on. What else do you expect from Beavis.
May 30, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I gotta side with the turnip on this one.
Time to dial back guys, seriously.
May 30, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I simply refer to her as Clinton, but then I feel like my Republican family members, who have long used it as a curse.
May 30, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y
Too late.
May 30, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not be pushing for sainthood for Nancy Pelosi just yet shall we?
After all, she completely screwed the pooch before she was even sworn in as Speaker when she declared impeachment was off the table, then wonders why the Administration has no problem giving Congress the finger on subpoenas.
Way to go Nancy.
May 30, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why has impeachment been "off the table"?
Because getting a Bill of Impeachment through the House is one thing, then there is the unlikelihood of getting a conviction in the Senate, which requires a supermajority that simply is not there, because the vote will be along party lines (with the exception of Holy Joe on the Dems' side and possible defections of who knows who across the aisle), thus assuring us of nothing more than sound and fury signifying nothing if we went forward.
Pelosi recognizes that - it's an elemental skill called counting votes, and it's essential for those in leadership positions in such bodies as Congress. And she realizes the futility of empty theatrical gestures.
Many, unfortunately, do not.
May 30, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hear, hear!
May 30, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have to disagree here - it's one thing to count votes, it's another to unilaterally disarm at the outset before an administration that has clearly shown itself in the previous 6 years to hold itself to no standards or limits on its power.
Good grief, instead of categorically ruling it out without even knowing fully what was involved, maybe she should simply withhold judgment until more facts are in, and then base a decision on that. It has nothing to do with 'counting votes', because you can change those counts depending on how things evolve with investigations, the media, etc. But no, she just decided to throw in the towel before the bell even rang. It was a wrong political calculation, and a wrong moral decision.
That said, it's at least encouraging to hear her hold some ground when it comes to this primary fight.
May 31, 2008 3:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's exactly the right political decision. Starting a fight you know will end in a "no decision" that essentially leaves the status quo as it sits is an utter waste of time. Nothing would happen to change the way the Senate would vote - largely (although not exclusively) along party lines.
Pelosi's been around DC long enough to realize this, and shape her priorities - and the House Dems' - accordingly. Empty gestures and meaningless political theater (which is exactly what this would be) accomplish nothing. It's legislating, not therapy.
May 31, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nancy. Now that's a female politician of whom women should be proud. Come on Erica Jong, give her some love. Nancy's made it up to number three, without the coattails of a husband.
May 30, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. It's rather disrespectful that people make such a big deal out of Hillary's accomplishment and never mention her.
She's the very first woman Speaker of the House and whether you are mad at her for not impeaching Bush or not (and I think she would have if it had been possible/and or the right thing to do at the time) still, she has been a marvelous leader.
May 30, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
And she's so damned refreshing!
May 30, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
And may I add that she dresses impeccably.
May 30, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd kill for her hair.
Ok.... I'd kill for ANY hair. ('Cept maybe Carville's.)
May 30, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The one thing that brings a smile to my face are the freaked out thoughts in the minds of superdels when they see video footage of the Clinton supporter vigil taking place outside of the Rules meeting...candles, songs, chants.
Normal to Shrill's supporters, but disturbing to the SD's. I just wish they realize they're doing more damage for her than helping once the media starts airing this footage.
May 30, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
The DNC through it's offices and leadership needs to remind the Clintons and their more rabid supporters that their is a differance between ambition and avarice,,,, and they have crossed the line some time ago.
May 30, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps she will quit on Wednesday. Does no one think this is a possibility?
May 30, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I do.
Although her actions in publicizing her post primary schedule seem to belie that.
But I don't see where she can go from here. And she's out of money and it would take money to start filing court cases.
And Bill is due in court in LA as soon as this winds up - which has made me wonder if that's another reason she's stayed in.
May 30, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
A fairly remote one, but yes I believe it's a possibility.
May 30, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree it's remote.
I've wondered, however. It's worth wondering if there aren't other problems they'd love to have the White House as a shield between them and -
May 30, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now, Tena, remember her history. You've been here before, right? Many times. You expected her to behave rationally...and what did she do?
Just a little reality check - friend to friend. Trying to soften the blow for when she goes all..you know...psycho on us and we have to start hating again.
May 31, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
She promised to fight all the way to the convention so if her past performance on upholding her promises are any clue, she will bow out by the end of next week.
May 30, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is the second time I've screwed up my subject verb agreement on this site. Well, it's back to propaganda school for me.
May 30, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have exactly the same problem yesterday. And had it now and probably in the future.
God, one of us may be McCain.
May 30, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, great. Now I'm going to be suspicious of myself until November.
May 30, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nancy seems to be under the impression that the Clinton bitter-enders in question would be upset with that result. That is what they think works for Clinton to be POTUS in 2012.
May 30, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
exactly!
May 30, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Democratic Party hemorrhaging - countering HRC's bluff
Pelosi's comments seem to be bigger than her bite and a little late at that. This contest will be brought to the point of brinksmanship unless the remaining SDs grow a spine and stick a fork in this.
May 30, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lyra,
Not a chance...you forget Shrillary's ego and those of her campaign staff.
May 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or what?
May 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or every House member who has endorsed Clinton will not see a dime of DCCC money for their re-election bids, and a well funded primary challenge, and they face losing any committees, or any chance of any bill they want to see the light of day for starters.
May 30, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would that be because Pelosi cares more about settling scores then protecting Dem seats? Or because this is the new definition of "progressive"? Or because "with us or against us" wasn't really specific to Bush?
May 30, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
It could be because we don't need a Zell Clinton handing the SCOTUS to the GOP with a quixotic scorched earth campaign that will lose and take the party with it.
If Clinton cares more about the party and the country, she needs to gracefully accept that she will not be POTUS and do what is right for the country by fighting hard for what is best for ht country in her role as junior Senator form New York.
May 30, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or what?
May 30, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or nothing.
They stabbed President Clinton in the back and the Clintons owe the party nothing.
May 30, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who is this "they" you speak of who stabbed Clinton in the back?
May 30, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mark Penn.
May 30, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
And that's exactly what they are giving us.
May 30, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poor Hillary, she is owed the Presidency, the voters fucked her over!
For a reenactment of Team Hillary's response to their overwhelming loss click here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc
May 30, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know this has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but it's worth noting to any Chicago Cubs fan out there (and I'm a devout one) - they came back from a 9-1 deficit in the 6th inning and just won the game 10-9.
2008 is the year for both Obama and the Chicago Cubs!!!! TWO reasons for Chicagoans like me to celebrate!
May 30, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
O shit - we pegged Kerry to the Red Sox win - and see where that got us.
Don't do that - especially not the Cubbys, for god's sake!
;)
May 30, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a White Sox fan, so I must say:
Shut up, Beavis.
May 30, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a Cardinals fan and say:
just another pennant the Cubs thought they won in May.
May 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cards fan, here.
Cubs fold in August. Wood on disabled list...again. Bank it, Beavis.
May 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I always thought you were one of the true intellectuals on this board.
May 30, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Obama is a White Sox fan.
May 30, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Red Sox fan here.
See you JV kids in October.
May 30, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Southside v. Northside.
May 30, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I did read somewhere (may have been on TPM's front page) that Hillary's campaign has made travel arraignments past June 4th. Perhaps, Madam Pelosi was speaking with an eye to that.
May 30, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or What? I'll tell ya - Clinton still has time left in the Senate and if she wants to be viable senator in the time left, she will have to cooperate with the leadership eventually.
May 30, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear ya Tena, however, HRCs duping of the remaining SDs to hold off on endorsing until after Ohio and Texas and then go with a practically no-holds-barred republican rovian 'kitchen sink' strategy has already put her in the Democratic leadership doghouse, to say the least. She has little to lose at this point.
May 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only way to stop Clinton from a fight at the convention is to have the SD's declare for Obama and declare in huge numbers. Otherwise she'll play the victim to the hilt and say she following the will of her supporters. The reliable prediction of future behavior is past behavior.
May 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
We should all be on the same side here. We are, in fact. Don't let the arguments cloud your judgement.
Anyone who wants to end this war and improve our economy should vote for the Democrat nominee for President.
It's, more than likely going to Obama.
Even if you don't support him and can't see yourself doing it in the future.
Remember, that sometimes in politics you have to suck it up and vote for someone you don't like because you do support their party or their platform.
We stand together in ending this war, returning our troops to their families, restoring fiscal responsibility. Vote the issues, if not the candidate.
PS. I agree we should stop with the cute Hillary name calls. Shrillary, etc. Nobody likes a sore loser, they like sore winners even less.
May 30, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not saying don't argue you your point. The campaigns are continuing, so you have every reason to, on both sides. Just be respectful. Personally, I'm staying out of the arguing for now. Kinda seems like farting in the wind to me.
May 30, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I apologize for any remarks that may have offended anyone. I'm certainly guilty as the next person. We all get wrapped up sometimes, and I have certainly gone to far.
I'd also like to add that if Hillary would some how manage to become the nominee, that although I would be terribly upset, I would vote for her in the general election, for all the reasons outlined above.
May 30, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
You mean like, "farting in the wind"? It's cool, we can handle that.
May 31, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillbilly is still OK though, right?
May 30, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's kinda cute, but WTF do I know?
May 30, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think I was the guy who coined "HillBillary" here.
May 30, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Although I agree that a lot of the Supers holding out are spineless for fear of "being mean" to the Clintons, they waited because of the Clintonian BS argument: "let everyone vote."
Obama will then gain the requisite number of Supers next week, even if it's the number the Shrillaryites cook-up by counting FL and MI as if fully seated.
Hillary will then be escorted off the stage.
Atta-girl Nancy!
May 30, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Tweetster is not going to let go of IraqGate. Scott will be on for "most of the hour" on Monday.
Richard Clarke was just on. He said he met with Scott and was impressed by the sincerity of his personal apology for snarking Clarke's book, which was also spot-on. Clarke supported the content of Scott's book without issue.
And thus do the injuns tighten their circle around General Dubya Custer...
May 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well that's not all that Scotty has managed to get in motion just by publishing - check TPM Muckr
May 30, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn I sent that comment before it was finished, accidentally.
check out Muckraker - Conyers already has Scotty saying he'll be happy to testify on what he knows about Plame.
May 30, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is pure fire. The testimony will be "the President knowingly lied, committing an act of treasion even his father derided." This is the exact testimony of Watergate's Nixon antedote. There will come a point where Iraqgate will assume a life of it's own. Dean's "cancer on the Presidency" testimony, for example. Then the tapes!
And the War President makes Watergate look like a tea party. 28% approval BEFORE Scott.
May 30, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would anyone else like to see Clarke head Homeland Security or a similar pozish?
May 30, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
No.
He's ok but I have some problems with Richard - he's a bit fanatic about terrorism and he is a major Clinton supporter.
May 30, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've mixed feelings about Pelosi. I admire her but at the same time I expected her to play the role of a refree more often in the race.
I think she should take center stage- and not Dean or Ried, being a woman and the third most powerful person in the government. Especially, I'd like if Ried can STFU in public. He makes a lot of dumb comments.
Also, enough with Hillary blackmails. Pelosi to put her step down and do what's required and expected swiftly and bluntly. Democratic leaders tough stand may entail some negative effects for winning the general, but if Hillary stays in the race anylonger they'll loose in the General for sure.
Hillary will play victim Big Time.
May 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the plus side, victim or no, it will not have been Sp Pelosi's words and deeds that brought down Sen Clinton. There will be no accusations of meddling by the real power-brokers. They have held their powder until the last vote is cast.
Still, two lawyers addicted to entitlement probably stand a 65% chance of taking it to court, where they will fail.
How long the failure? How long to courts take to act? She will continue to haunt us during, which would be the whole point.
May 30, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y
Yeah right.
GFY Pelosi.
May 30, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yeah, Chicago does have a second baseball team, don't they?
May 30, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
My heart really does belong to you Cubbies fans. You are just so loyal and the Cubbies always break your hearts.
May 30, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Translation: they usually fold like a cheap lawnchair by August.
May 30, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Should probably move the Convention to Busch too, doncha think?
Obama/Pujols. Sounds niiiiice. And hey.... much better odds than the Cubbies.
May 30, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know where idiotic has been soo..
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
HILLMENTUM!!
May 30, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cardinals - once in first place, but not anymore. :-)
Hey, did anyone see Wolfie on Fox this morning remind everyone it would go against DNC rules to give Obama one single delegate in MI? Did that clown really say this???
Her campaign is the last group of clowns who should be talking about following DNC rules!
May 30, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to the SF Chronicle, a recent poll shows Obama more popular than Hillary by 13 in CA. She won the state by nine.
...
"The latest Field Poll shows that Illinois Sen. Barack Obama - who lost the Feb. 5 California primary to Clinton by nine points - is now preferred as the party nominee by a landslide 51 to 38 percent among the state's Democrats, according to a poll of 914 likely party voters taken May 16-27."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/30/MNQE1100CC.DTL
May 30, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that was due to Edwards still being on the ballot and early voting. I would have switched to Obama had I known Edwards was going to throw in the towel.
May 30, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clintonites already know how this is going to end and they have, by saying the following publicly, let Hillary Clinton know she must accept the rules meeting ruling and bow out gracefully this week. It's why Hillary's tone has changed today.
From the LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-dems30-2008may30,0,1119825.story
I'm sure gotalife & the other dead-enders will insist it's still going to the convention. Poor things. Don't taunt them people! That would be cruel.
LOL.
May 30, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
But as the song said, you gotta be cruel to be kind.
May 30, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too many of her key people have already surrendered talking points - Carville yesterday, and so forth and so on.
I think next week is it - I really do.
May 30, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's over whether she chooses it to be or not and whether she chooses to leave gracefully or not.
The Party, Party Leaders, remaining supers will be ending it with their votes and pronouncements & endorsements -- and the media is already well on it's way to ignoring her altogether.
It's going to be a really good week! ;-)
May 30, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me, too. We do not have the luxury of waiting.
May 30, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now if only the HRC campaign leadership will step up and genuinely rallying and bringing up to speed their supporters on the importance of coming together as Democrats, then this is indeed good news. Anything less, reveals an intention of eyeing 2012 for another run.
May 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena,
Yeah, but this season is their best record in decades - they have a legit shot of doing something with it in October...and now here's where the naysayers tear me a new with with history lessons of Cub seasons past.
May 30, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are free to believe! Just don't peg Obama to the Cubbies' chances, please!
LOL!
Go Cubbies - I hope they do it, with all my heart!
May 30, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
So long as there are still billy-goats and guys like Steve Bartman in Chicago, October will remain, once again, "time for Da Bears" on the Northside of the windy city.
May 30, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Senator Clinton will bow out next week, and go on to write a best selling book about the whole experience. $$$ :)
May 30, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree.
She'll use it forever as her chief complaint and whining point, but I think next week is it. I really really do.
May 30, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not if Wolfson beats her to it! ;-P
May 30, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
More from the CA poll:
"Women, who have given Clinton a consistent edge in California, now support Obama by 49-41 percent, the poll shows."
Her support is melting away like an ice cube, post freezer.
May 30, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not if Wolfson beats her to it! ;-P
May 30, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops. my comment was for the thread above yours! ;-)
May 30, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe she's quitting next week.
It is only logical that a candidate will start sending *some* signals that she is going to quit. A candidate should prepare his/her supporters for the transition.
Especially when the fight has gone of this long.
Hillary hasn't done any of that.
On the contrary, she is still sending strong signals that she' "a fighter" and "on to the convention".
I personally think the even tone and calm demeanor of today is just part of an abusive cycle so that she can make it to tomorrow, so we can stop with the attacks. So the SD's will wait a little longer. Whenever the cries get too loud, they start acting like she's going to be reasonable.
But she isn't.
Punch.
Kick.
Flowers.
Punch.
Kick.
Flowers.
All the way to the convention.
Because ANYTHING can happen.
May 30, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
It did happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y
May 30, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
You poor thing. I've heard of denial, but you're just ridiculous.
May 30, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like I said. You dead-enders are sad. Have pity on these people, guys!
May 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eugene Robinson of the WP had similar thoughts. That Hillary's occassional conciliatory remarks are just to buy time while she pushes on and on.
It's scorched earth in slowmotion.
I think the party leaders and superdelegates will need to step up and force this to end, otherwise she will keep buying time all the way til August.
May 30, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, Chris, spoken like one who's known some abusers. And all too true. I'm with you. She ain't done. I do believe that the SuperDels will start rolling out in force this week, though, and force her off the stage. But, she will keep insisting that she still has some stake in this and there's some fight left to be fought.
May 31, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
You've missed it. You're watching the wrong hand.
Why did Carville come out yesterday and admit that not only can Obama win, he will win in November?
There have been other statements that surrogates have made recently that sounded to me like they were softening her landing.
May 30, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You're watching the wrong hand."
Tena - you mean Hillary's been running a three-card-monte racket all this time??? Damn, that explains a lot.
May 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hopefully, you're right. I'd be inclined to give her another week for this to happen.
And Pelosi made the right move at the right time.
May 30, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
If she'd said this any sooner, Hillary would have already been whining about the conspiracy.
May 30, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary not quite there... but maybe soon...
A few more friends coming out might help.
May 30, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary may try to go on after June 3, but once Obama announces that X number of Super Dels have endorsed and put him over the top (probably on Wed) anything she does to try and wrest the nomination away from Obama, will be moot.
May 30, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree and that's why I think she will finally quit.
She won't be happy about it, but unless she wants to quit the Democratic Party and run for governor of NY as an independent, she's got some hard decisions to make and some serious thinking to do.
May 30, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly so. And any who help enable her should she go kamikaze will face the same prospects.
May 30, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are politicians for the love of god.
I know everyone is convinced she's Godzilla, but she's a politician first and foremost and as such, she is forced to go along to get along - if she still wants to continue to have a political career and she does.
May 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, she hasn't shown that sort of awareness in recent history, so...
Expect the worst from Hillary and you won't be disappointed.
May 31, 2008 1:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
If everything goes to plan, Tuesday night's primaries will push him over not some SDs on Wednesday.
May 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which would be ideal, both from a narrative stand -point, but also for the state-by-state ground organizational stand-point as well (this cycle and going forward).
May 30, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree.
May 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've read that Hillary's numbers are going down in PR and that the turnout will be lower than expected.
Hillary's fall in the CA poll numbers, is a kind of touchstone for her level of support. CA was always Clinton country, even during bill's worst moments during the nineties. It's the most populous state, the most diverse, and arguably the most forward looking, certainly a trend setter.
Hillary can't possibly argue now, that she is more likely to win in the fall. That was her only hope of turning things around.
May 30, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena,
I haven't missed anything. I saw Carville. And cheered.
And I hope you're right. I *do* believe that her campaign is fraying. But that's not enough. We need Hillary herself (and Bill!) to admit defeat.
And I just don't see them gearing up for that.
Yesterday, McAuliffe switched horses again--said it's the DELEGATES--not the popular vote, that count.
And I wondered, what's that about?
Today I hear all of this talk about the uncommitted delegates in Michigan legally having to stay uncommitted until the convention.
And all of this talk about how the exceptions made for Iowa, NH, NV, and SC, were improper, so like MI and FL, they have to have their delegates cut, too (admittedly that wasn't from the Clinton camp, but Ickes is on the RBC and supposedly a rules expert. He's already said that the legal memo was wrong).
Mark me down as one of those people that believe that Hillary WANTS a reasonable offer of less than 100% of the delegates to be made.
That way she can call it an outrage and use it as grounds to keep fighting.
I hope I'm wrong.
'Cept I'm not.
May 30, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nancy Pelosi is great, but they need to end this on Tuesday.
Hillary will keep pretending to wrap things up, but keep buying time.
The party leaders keep buying the bullshit that she's only going on for a few more weeks. But these few more weeks will end in August!!
END THIS NOW!
May 30, 2008 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Public opinion and Party leadership mean nothing to Clinton. Otherwise, she would be helping the Democrats win in November. As far as Clinton is concerned, she and Bill are the Party.
I hope the Democratic leadership pull together to stop Clinton because she is full steam ahead to the convention. It really doesn't matter if Obama gets the needed delegates to claim the nomination. Clinton will find an excuse to stay in it all the way to Denver.
May 30, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
BeachChick
You are soooooooo right. I mean why would anyone think that because she :
"struck an even tone today when asked about pressure from party leaders to end this, saying: "I think that after the final primaries people are going to start making up their minds. I think that's the natural progression that one would expect."
that they can even construe it as 'even tone' is beyond belief. Let's recall, this is the same friggin woman who said when asked why she left her name on the ballot in MI
"the primary does not count anyway'
AND now...she has turned THAT into a full scale assault on the DNC!!
Please. I keep telling people
Hillary has NO ethical standards.
She says stuff only to lull folks into a false sense of security about where she stands so that she can catch them unawares as she locks and loads her attack!
When will people wake up and see her for the conniving, scheming, manipulative, liar that she is?!!
May 30, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I've explained why I think like I do - and given you what evidence I've got.
Y'all don't choose to believe, that's fine. But I'm telling you - she's a politician.
She will make the best political choice in the end.
May 30, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
EXCELLENT ARTICLE ON THIS VERY SUBJECT. PLEASE READ AS BELLOWS HAS UP TO THE MINUTE INFO ON HRC'S PLAN TO DO EXACTLY WHAT WE FEAR: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/m.s.-bellows/the-trap-clintons-briarpa_b_104198.html
May 30, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love how Senator Obama's supporters have been insulting Senator Clinton and her supporters all this time and now expect us to "unite" as Democrats.
I doubt that anyone much cares, but here are my reasons why I am considering splitting my ticket for the first time in my life rather than install a man with only two years of national elective experience in the presidency.
The Supreme Court would be a dealbreaker for me as far as McCain goes. However, it looks like the Democrats are going to have a rather healthy majority in the Senate. Consequently, if a president McCain appoints justices that would overturn Roe/Casey and are "strict constructionists" we have no one to blame but ourselves.
Iraq: I'm sorry, but I think that a President Obama isn't going to get us out of Iraq in the next four years. His campaign has been hinting at this for months. As soon as the generals tell him that the place is still an unstable powderkeg, your going to start hearing that the campaign timeline simply isn't realistic. Consequently, Iraq as an issue between Senator Obama and McCain is a wash for me.
Lastly, making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent. Again, the Democrats will be in the majority in Congress. If the Bush Tax Cuts are made permanent under a President McCain, we Democrats have no one to blame but ourselves.
These are the three potential deal-breakers that would prevent me from splitting my ticket. As it is, I'm starting to wonder if they are really deal-breakers at all.
May 30, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love how Senator Obama's supporters have been insulting Senator Clinton and her supporters all this time and now expect us to "unite" as Democrats.
I doubt that anyone much cares, but here are my reasons why I am considering splitting my ticket for the first time in my life rather than install a man with only two years of national elective experience in the presidency.
The Supreme Court would be a dealbreaker for me as far as McCain goes. However, it looks like the Democrats are going to have a rather healthy majority in the Senate. Consequently, if a president McCain appoints justices that would overturn Roe/Casey and are "strict constructionists" we have no one to blame but ourselves.
Iraq: I'm sorry, but I think that a President Obama isn't going to get us out of Iraq in the next four years. His campaign has been hinting at this for months. As soon as the generals tell him that the place is still an unstable powderkeg, your going to start hearing that the campaign timeline simply isn't realistic. Consequently, Iraq as an issue between Senator Obama and McCain is a wash for me.
Lastly, making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent. Again, the Democrats will be in the majority in Congress. If the Bush Tax Cuts are made permanent under a President McCain, we Democrats have no one to blame but ourselves.
These are the three potential deal-breakers that would prevent me from splitting my ticket. As it is, I'm starting to wonder if they are really deal-breakers at all.
May 30, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I love how Senator Obama's supporters have been insulting Senator Clinton and her supporters all this time and now expect us to "unite" as Democrats."
Sure, and Clinton supporters have never insulted Obama and his supporters at all during this campaign. Jeez, give me a break. How many times have I heard references to 'kool-aid' and 'speechifying' from Clinton supporters?
If the tables were turned, you'd be arguing for the 'unity' of the party in just the same way Obama supporters are right now. You know that's true. If Hillary somehow finagles the nomination in August after a destructive convention battle, she's going to have to do just as much if not more bridge-building in the party to justify what she did in overturning the will of the Democratic electorate. There has been lots of negativity to make up for from the Clinton supporters as well.
You can make the choice a jilted lover would make, or the rational one that a level-headed political observer would make. It's your right to choose as you please, but don't pretend that voting McCain makes you rational or wise.
May 31, 2008 3:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Hillary does not get the nomination she should run as an Independent. That would be REAL CHANGE and she would win.
May 30, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
You better hope she never even considers that option. It would not only be scorched earth for Democrats and liberals, but also for her own political career. She'd only be marginalizing herself, and you'd discover just how shallow her support base is.
May 31, 2008 3:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton wouldn't raise fifteen dollars as a third-party candidate.
Except from the Republicans.
The idea that she would win is laughable and I don't know why people say it.
It could help Obama lose, though, so I'm sure she's considering it.
May 30, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess if she really hits rock bottom - but as long as she has her Senate gig to go back to, she'll hold on to that. Going with an Independent bid now would certainly not win her the White House and would mean losing anything in the way of a political career otherwise. She's been called a lot of unflattering things, but she's not stupid.
May 31, 2008 1:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Scorched earth and burned bridges.
May 31, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pelosi's leadership on this is as good as her leadership on impeachment and Iraq. Further, the problem has been not that the campaign is running long but that the tactics used by Obama have been a strategic disaster for the party-- once voters catch on to how he maninpulates phony charges and his unwillingness from the outset to let Michigan voters have their say -- many who share far more policy preferences with Obama and McCain will vote for McCain because Obama has such a bad character -- powerhungry, deceitful, unkind, angry -- in short just like the men he chose for mentors. Hillary will do her best to retrieve the situation for the Democrats but many of her supporters decided months ago that they will never vote for Obama.
If Pelosi wants to win in November she better hope that the delegates take a good look at how Obama opertes and switch to Hillary.
A lot of men thought that the women didn't mean the feminist revolution. A lot of women can now compete for slots in college from which they were completely cut out prior to that revolution.
So I think some men are in for a shock again: NNO means NO.
May 31, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I sincerely hope all of you who think Hillary will withdraw this week are right.
Countering that conclusion, however, are the following problematic dangling chads: 1) the fact that a Clinton withdrawal now would mean she must absorb the loss of her personal loans; 2) the release of HRC's post-Tuesday travel schedule/sign-up fo the press; and 3) the Bellows article on Huffington, which seems ominously predictive based on HRC's pattern of escalation.
I'd love to be wrong. Or just re-assured by those of you who are more savvy and less cynical than I.
May 31, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two things,
While I can't deny that there hasn't been (bitter and destructive) acrimony on both sides, I cannot help but find it galling that the same people who say that Senator Clinton is a liar and a racist (and I suppose that we also must be if we continue to support her despite the fact that she is a liar and a racist) now ask us to put this aside and support their candidate. They simply have no moral authority to do so. If this had remained a civil discussion (and I don't place any blame for the fact that it hasn't on one side or another), then it would be much easier to unite around a candidate.
Second, because the Democrats are likely to retain control and even increase their majorities in Congress this year, a President McCain is not going to destroy civilization as we know it (as some would have us beleive). There will be a real check (if the Democrats in Congress have any spine) on his authority.
My rational basis for supporting Senator Clinton was that she had a better skill set for the presidency. Senator Obama, in my opinion, does not. It just boggles my mind that we are seriously considering turning the presidency over to this man. His resume is ridiculously thin for the job. Thus, I am left with the delimma of finding Senator McCain the better candidate as far as experience for the job goes. Unfortunately, he belongs to the wrong party. So I ask myself, what prevents me from voting for him? I come up with three answers. I analyse whether or not those three areas of disagreement are so great or so implacable as to prevent me from voting for Senator McCain. I find that they may not be. Am I angry? Yes. Am I being irrational? I don't think so
May 31, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink