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Hillary Reportedly Will Hold No Public Events Tomorrow
On MSNBC, Tim Russert just reported that Hillary was scheduled to appear on the morning shows tomorrow.
But, says Russert, she canceled all her appearances.
...actually, MSNBC has confirmed that she will hold no public events at all:
That's a pretty big deal. Any appearance might force her to publicly defend staying in the race, obviously.
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"This is the end... doo doo doo..."
May 6, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's a chick at Lane Bryant crooning.
May 7, 2008 12:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
pig
May 7, 2008 1:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Certainly, sexist, offensive, atavistic, over-generalising statements about Hillary voters are a feature of the more enlightened Obama supporters.
I am ashamed to share candidate preferences with people like this, really.
May 7, 2008 5:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Certainly one of the oddest adjective strings I've seen recently.
"Sexist, offensive, atavistic, over-generalizing..."
Sexist? Oh yeah, Hillary is really holding high that feminist banner. Her campaign hung a pair of metaphorical nuts around her waist about a month ago and she's been displaying them at every opportunity.
Offensive? Well, coming after sexist, it's like following blue with sky. Atavistic? Overkill for crude - hence another virtual repetition. (It means throwback, is what it means.)
"Over-generalizing"? So Hillary is a logical proposition, and we're grossly expanding her scope?
I think this just proves that Dan_the_man is Dan_the_dumbass, and I'm ashamed to share this thread with her.
May 7, 2008 7:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dan_the_man,
Though poorly worded, I think the person you're ripping into was just saying that the fat lady is singing, meaning "it's over"...not that some woman who shops at a low price store is crying after "her candidate's" misfortune. Give the guy a break. Or just stop assuming things.
May 7, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Asshole.
May 7, 2008 6:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
This dedication goes out to Hillary...
Sing it Roy!
May 7, 2008 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's finally over!
Thank god, I couldn't take it anymore.
May 6, 2008 11:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's not withdrawing, but those shows were booked under the assumption she was going to win Indiana by a decent margin.
She doesn't want to spend the morning defending her decision to stay in.
May 6, 2008 11:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know...if she's not withdrawing she needs to get out their and spin, spin, spin, like she's never spinned (span? spun?) before. This is an interesting development.
May 6, 2008 11:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe she's tired and doesn't want to get up that early.
Maybe she's "bushed."
May 7, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
All those extra hours she had to spend getting up earlier than her opponents to put on makeup.
That's been my least favorite "complaint" of the entire campaign - speaking as a feminist.
May 7, 2008 3:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not necessarily. Her surrogates need to get out there and spin, spin, spin.
May 7, 2008 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree, she has been all about defending herself, being the tough one. If there is an ounce of decency left in her she will be calling a press conference for the early afternoon and ending her little game.
May 7, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
That ounce is long gone - just half a gram left.
May 7, 2008 8:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I almost feel sorry for her on those grounds. Can you imagine having to face the cameras early tomorrow morning when you've spent all your available energy on SELF-deception?
May 7, 2008 12:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
The only people deceiving themselves are those who still think Obama can win the presidency.
May 7, 2008 2:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
...but, but Hillary is proud of her Limbaugh victory!
I mean, it's an endorsement, right?!
May 7, 2008 1:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is it too early to say I'm going to sleep well tonight?
May 6, 2008 11:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
i am so pumped, i cant sleep and its midnight
May 6, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
i heard she is meeting up with her super delegates as well.
May 6, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its over.....us elites can sleep easily tonight and drink our latte's in the morning without shame
May 6, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have a safe drive home in your Prius.
May 7, 2008 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Make it a triple!
May 7, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
True, you bought the nomination, and your investment paid off. Though it's a shame you won't be able to buy the presidency. But of course, that was the plan, and the rich keep getting richer.
May 7, 2008 2:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
As the Great Philosopher said:
"It ain't over 'til it's over."
May 7, 2008 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yogi Berra is a great philosopher?
Who'd thunk?
May 7, 2008 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sweet bleedin' Jesus, I don't believe it.
Where did you "hear" that other data point, Mus-Hussein-Grove? Source, please?
May 7, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
They said it on the TV. On MSNBC, I think Brokaw said it.
May 7, 2008 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fineman and Russert both mentioned but in what context is in question....With Indiana still out there this is looking worse for her every minute that drips by...
May 7, 2008 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. Could it really be ...
May 7, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not get carried away--Hillary could still win Indiana by a few thousand.
May 7, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Which would mean Operation Chaos was the difference. She still loses.
May 7, 2008 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
No need to bring up Operation Chaos--even if it gives Clinton the win, it's hard to prove and we don't want to look like whiners.
The important thing is that the race is over and the talking heads are finally admitting it.
May 7, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you suggesting that there were not 20,000 "Chaos" voters in all of Indiana?
May 7, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
There's one at my work. She voted for Hillary because she thinks McCain will have an easier time in the general election against Hillary.
May 7, 2008 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
So your friend is retarded?
May 7, 2008 3:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Operation Chaos comes into play when (undeclared) superdelegates look at the numbers, not now.
With 217 pledged delegates to go, it looks like Obama will finish tonight about 180 delegates away from the magic number. Let's assume he only wins half of those remaining pledged delegates: 217/2 = 108. 180-108 = 72.
OK, so then 72 is the magic number. And approximately 270 superdelegates are undeclared, meaning only 1 in 4 needs to swing to Obama. The transparent meddling of Republicans in our primaries is convincing evidence on its face.
(Thanks, DemConWatch.blogspot.com, for making the math so easy for all of us.)
May 7, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tomorrow morning, I'm going to dine on foie gras, load up my Prius with a couple bottles of Evian and take a drive.
May 7, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I take slight umbrage at the dining on foie gras part . . . but a little tofu will do me fine (and I think that would probably keep my elitist credientials intact). :P
May 7, 2008 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget the arugula!
May 7, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget the strychnine-laced Kool Aid
May 7, 2008 2:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
ugh, please don't eat that. force-fed goose is not nice
May 7, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
At least you're not getting shot out of a cannon in Woody Creek.
May 7, 2008 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
May 7, 2008 4:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
She isn't dropping out, not yet. I think it would be embarrassing for her to go on when they haven't declared Indiana yet. There are too many provisional ballots from their deranged ID law to declare a result tonight and you have up to 12 days or something to show up at the elections office with the necessary ID.
May 7, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dude -- like it's not embarrassing to have Tim Russert report that you've canceled your morning show appearances? Like it's not embarrassing to have Obama all over the morning shows with no counter-spin from you?
Uhn-uh. No way. Next thing that happens is a statement from the campaign denying rumors that she has decided to drop out.
Which means that it's a matter of days.
May 7, 2008 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Also embarrassing to have already made an acceptance speech. Well, maybe it'll be embarrassing. Still waiting.
May 7, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Finally!
nuf said
May 7, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh please, oh please, oh please let this be the end. Now, how to convince my relatives he's not the anti-Christ...
May 7, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ding dong.
May 7, 2008 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Haha, I'm sure Obama would be happy to take her place
May 7, 2008 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
SHA NA NA SAY HEY HEY GOODBYE!!!Time for the IRON ***** to get out of here!!!
May 7, 2008 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whaaaaaaaaaaa...?
Or in Scooby talk.. roh roh.
May 7, 2008 12:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mrs. Clintonโs advisers acknowledged that the results of the primaries were far less than they had hoped, and said they were likely to face new pleas even from some of their own supporters for her to quit the race. They said they expected fund-raising to become even harder now; one adviser said the campaign was essentially broke, and several others refused to say whether Mrs. Clinton had lent the campaign money from her personal account to keep it afloat.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/us/politics/06cnd-campaign.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&adxnnlx=1210133025-d3SpSXe/d40CLK3bIC3E4g
May 7, 2008 12:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think that 10 mil in one day was BS, unless part of it was a loan from Bill
May 7, 2008 12:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
wasn't there an article basically saying as much? that all that mattered about the 10mil was that it made a good story, and since it was unverifiable, it was amazing how great a job the Clinton camp did with selling that? Where did I read that?
May 7, 2008 3:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whaaaaaaaaaaa...?
Or in Scooby talk.. roh roh.
May 7, 2008 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
.....I was thinking of going into work on Thursday and saying ding dong but I didn't wanna piss off my female coworker who may or may not have gotten the reference, plus she really isn't a ..... Shameless? yes.
May 7, 2008 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for the double post there... TPM posting hiccuped.
May 7, 2008 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Understandable, tonight.
May 7, 2008 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can ya hear it guys the FAT LADY is gettin ready to sing!!!
May 7, 2008 12:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
BO closes in IN, and HRC doesn't want to have to answer any questions about her campaign. However, there is real consideration for her staying in through WVa, she will crush BO there and that would be embarrassing if she's not still in the race...
In my best world of amazing dreams, BO and HRC have discussions tomorrow. BO helps her with campaign debts and they arrange a graceful exit after WV. BO wins Oregon and they both let it go on a win. HRC throws support to BO. MI and FL get a deal to be seated. McSame goes down to a 45 state defeat in Nov. Ahh well, one can dream....
May 7, 2008 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I want some of what you're drinking.
May 7, 2008 2:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please oh please oh please oh please....
May 7, 2008 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
kinda sucks to have given a victory speech and then not win, or have the results so close it doesn't even feel like a win
with no congratulations to Obama for NC, kind of poetic justice here
te-he
I'd love to hear the ultimate concession speech tomorrow. let's get on with beating mccain
May 7, 2008 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I loved that, she 'commended' Obama and supporters, not even congratulated, where he stomped her. But he congratulated her outright even tho the results are in doubt in IN...
May 7, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
As I watch this, I see the media giving themselves cover. They finally got their fight, an old-fashioned primary brawl, Clash of the Titans stuff, with REAL results at the end.
It will not long feed the media's Ungoliantesque hunger...
May 7, 2008 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
The mayor of Hammond, Indiana, is now strongly insinuating that electoral fraud has occurred/is occurring in Lake County. CNN is stoking the fire. The mayor is a Clinton supporter.
May 7, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I really hope they don't try the 'Electoral fraud' routine. Can't these people accept a loss and go away?
May 7, 2008 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
We're not as good at losing as the Obama people.
May 7, 2008 2:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are correct, since Obama is winning.
May 7, 2008 6:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that 11-state losing streak should have given you plenty of practice.
May 7, 2008 6:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's the same dude that complained about the Lake County schools bussing students to early voting.
May 7, 2008 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Terry McAuliffe, head on over to Westvirginiatucky. That's a game changer.
May 7, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
lol just release the votes already arghhhhhhhh
May 7, 2008 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Could this mean my state of Oregon truly does become irrelevant again (and not the CLinton sort of way)...?
May 7, 2008 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
russert just called it over!
May 7, 2008 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now they have on the mayor of Evansville, Indiana. Can CNN bring on the mayor of Gary, maybe?
May 7, 2008 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Go home Hillary!!
May 7, 2008 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS GREAT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!
May 7, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's "EXCELLENT NEWS!!" ... and where is idiotic, anyway?
May 7, 2008 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
He was here on earlier threads.
And, his caps lock works!
May 7, 2008 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pat on the head for goatlife. How foolish I was to doubt your optimism in another thread.
May 7, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Stubborn optimist. Like a goat.
May 7, 2008 12:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tim Russert (with appropriate solemnity): "We now know who the Democratic nominee will be".
Well put, I say.
May 7, 2008 12:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Leave it to an Obamite to sing the praises of that pig.
May 7, 2008 2:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Barack Obama and all your Hoosiers and Tarheels, I raise my middlebrow beer to you (it might've been a bargain bin shiraz, but the allergies're acting up).
May 7, 2008 12:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh my God!!! IT"S OVER!!
ITs Actually Over~!!!
May 7, 2008 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm drunk with joy
May 7, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm gasping...it really is FINALLY over...
May 7, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Haha! Russert just called it: "We now know who the Democratic nominee is going to be."
MSNBC, time 12:10am.
May 7, 2008 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know about fraud. But I strongly suspect that the slow reporting from Lake Co. is a scheme to deny HRC the boost of a clear victory. They're keeping it late enough that everyone will have gone to bed with it "too close to call."
May 7, 2008 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not that there's anything wrong with that!
May 7, 2008 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
The monster is dead. Long (don't) live the monster!
May 7, 2008 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Heartfelt thanks, NC and IN. On to McCain!
May 7, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Also intrade betting has Clinton dropping like a rock.
May 7, 2008 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
She is done.
Nostrovia!
May 7, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's an announcement like this that makes Idiotic's absence deafening.
May 7, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Prophetically, Hillaryis44.org just went down from CPU bandwidth excess.
May 7, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did the chickens go home to roost?
Where is gotalife?
Failing that...
Would somebody please do a parody?
May 7, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
DEWEY WINS!!!!
May 7, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is finished.
Consummatum est.
She is toast. (Bill is spreading butter and jam on her as we speak.)
May 7, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's a visual I could have done without.
May 7, 2008 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
P.S. Ding dong, the witch is dead.
May 7, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ugh, I'm getting nauseous with all this dream ticket talk. Haven't we had enough of the Uber-Veep?
May 7, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
yeah no kidding the real dream ticket is Obama + whoever he thinks its best for VP (that isnt Clinton)
May 7, 2008 12:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
As much as I despise Hillary, I actually think she'd make an okay VP, should Obama choose her.
VP job in elections is to be attack dog. She could do that.
Plus, a lot of people do passionately like her and as VP her negatives for repugs would not be as motivating.
May 7, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
She also cancelled all of her public events tomorrow. Either she is preparing for Victim Tour '08 or they are trying to figure out the graceful exit.
May 7, 2008 12:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!
May 7, 2008 12:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Stick a fork in her
May 7, 2008 12:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
And on a high not!
Momentum baby!
May 7, 2008 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whew! Done and done! Let's go get McCain!
May 7, 2008 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
".. I strongly suspect that the slow reporting from Lake Co. is a scheme to deny HRC the boost of a clear victory".
The fly in that ointment is that a "clear victory" for Clinton required her to win Indiana BIG. It's all about delegates, Bubba. A close shave of a win was tactical victory, but strategic defeat.
May 7, 2008 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
And on a high not!
Momentum baby!
May 7, 2008 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
note dammit, i can't even type i'm so excited
May 7, 2008 12:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's a high not -- for Hillary.
May 7, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ingoman:
Prophetically, Hillaryis44.org just went down from CPU bandwidth excess.
Unbelievable.
Checked it out: http://box17.bluehost.com/highload.html
The hive mind must be in chaos.
May 7, 2008 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bertrand,
The erudite political salon you were referring to is actually Hillaryis44.com, but your report of the malfunction continues to be correct.
May 7, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am so very happy. Sleep is overrated.
May 7, 2008 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Paging James Carville,
If Hillary loses both North Carolina and Indiana; Mr. Carville would you call that a triple ball breaker?
May 7, 2008 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLMAO
Classic.
May 7, 2008 12:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, but it's two states full of Judases.
May 7, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Where are Otto, Gotalife, MathewWeaver etc?
LMAO!!!!!!!!!! Hilarious.
May 7, 2008 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
If they were real dems, they would be here with some analysis. The Rush/Troll movement failed big-time. The silence says it all.
May 7, 2008 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama won by disenfranchising the voters of Florida and Michigan and spending five times as much money. Another victory for money over democracy. How's that for a cogent analysis?
May 7, 2008 3:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pretty shallow, actually. Nice glasses, though, monkey.
May 7, 2008 3:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
By shallow you mean obvious.
May 7, 2008 4:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
You approve of Hillary siding with the rule breakers? Disregarding rules (and laws) is more of a GWB thing, isn't it?
Besides, didn't Hillary have a difficult fight with "uncommitted" in Michigan?
Oh, and Obama didn't disenfranchise Florida and Michigan - the DNC has this pesky thing about following rules. If the DLC was still in charge, that wouldn't be a problem. If they were in charge, we wouldn't have to worry about those annoying primaries and just move to Hillary's coronation.
May 7, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
They're drowning their sorrows with shots of Crown Royal.
May 7, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
they are at little green footballs or free republic strategizing for the general election
May 7, 2008 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank god. Now I can go to bed.
May 7, 2008 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
To quote the famous yet fictional President Jed Bartlet:
"What's next?"
May 7, 2008 12:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
She cant do shows tomorrow. She has to take that pantsuit to the cleaners so she can campaign for Obama for president!
May 7, 2008 12:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
How does one have a ticker tape parade on the internet?
May 7, 2008 12:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh My God...
The newsmax google ad that popped up above asks... "Is Obama Finished?"
May 7, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say he's just about finished digging her grave.
May 7, 2008 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's time to hand it to Obama.
It's now time to start talking about John McCains
100 year Iraq war
McCains temper.
McCains corruption in the Keating five scandle.
McCain calling his wife a slut and a cunt in puplic.
McCains good freind and bigot supporter Reverend Hagee.
Time for the real battle.
May 7, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's been established that the preacher stuff doesn't work.
May 7, 2008 12:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh really? When did you establish that?
May 7, 2008 2:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
About the same time we established that you were the only rage-fueled troll who dared go on this thread.
I appreciate your avatar. In this situation.
I scanned the thread backwards - you, like, recapitulated the history of trolling in your twenty-odd posts.
Believe me when I say that we have heard every single thing you are saying before. But it's kind of cute hearing it all from you this time.
Hee-haw away, troll. You can't spoil anybody's good time today.
May 7, 2008 7:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
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May 7, 2008 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll second that.
May 7, 2008 12:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good work, we'll remember the part you played in this.
May 7, 2008 1:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope this is it. It's time to pull all the factions together and make plans to take on McCain. I have been an Obama supporter for some time, and I hope this sends a message that voters respond to decency and honesty in a campaign.
May 7, 2008 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm as chuffed as anyone else here, but . . .
. . . to quote Fast Eddie Felson of Oakland, CA:
"The game's isn't over until Minnesota Fats says it's over."
Once she gets out officially, then I'll heave that sigh of relief.
Until then . . .
May 7, 2008 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Woo-hoo? Come on, just a little one.
woohoo!
May 7, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's cancelled ALL her public appearances tomorrow!
It's really over.
May 7, 2008 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's staying in tomorrow morning to sharpen her elbows for the "nuclear option".
May 7, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
A word of caution about the Indiana contest. Lake county is 71% white voters, and the vast majority of them are the blue collar voters that have gone strongly for Hillary. It depends on what part of Lake county is still out that will determine if Senator Obama can catch Hillary or not.
May 7, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course. And the significance of winning IN by 5,000 votes would be what, exactly?
It's squat. This ain't the electoral college. It really doesn't matter who's up by 5,000 at the end of the night. The spin game is over, and delegate math is all that's left.
May 7, 2008 12:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ding, Ding....give the man a cigar. It's the MSM who get all worked up about who "won", but it doesn't mean a damn thing. Hillary "won" Nevada but wound up with one fewer delegate.
May 7, 2008 12:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
You seem to be celebrating the victory of money over democracy. But if the Democrats used the same primary rules as the Republicans in winner-take-all-states, Hillary would have won the nomination months ago. As it is, it seems like the Republicans will nominate their strongest candidate while Democrats will nominate the candidate who can't carry the big and important swing states. Funny how things balance out in the end.
May 7, 2008 3:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
The money is democracy.
Living in Michigan, I really wanted to vote for Obama. Since he and all the other major candidates, except for Clinton, played by the rules and kept their names off the ballot, I had to vote for "Uncommitted," along with 40%.
Not able to do much about that, I donated $25 every month. That's my vote. That's one of the reasons Obama has sealed the deal. And that's democracy, monkey.
May 7, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently Sen. Clinton has cancelled all of her public events tomorrow.
Make of that what you will.
May 7, 2008 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Going to bed, friends, gonna watch the returns until I pass out.
Great night.
To all my fellow Obama supporters, congratulations! It's been a long time coming!
May 7, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Should be a good day for the Obama campaign!
May 7, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
current CLinton spin:
And the message to the media and to the superdelegates is:
Everybody, let's take a deep breath. Let's look at the results. Let's think hard about the choices we face. Let's not rush Sen. Clinton.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/the_clinton_spin_for_now.php
May 7, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Holy shit.. at home finally and saw tweety just say something close to insightful. He was countering another commentator on MSNBC that the fateful mistake Clinton in this whole campaign back in 2002 when she voted for the war, and that gave someone like Obama the foundational opening to walk through.
That is why CLinton was always a "hold your nose if she gets the nod" candidate for me. Just as Kerry was (and lost) and I think deep down Democrats learned the lesson of 2004 and saw that we can square the circle with that kind of life-and-death judgement.
May 7, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
A rare, lucid moment. Keith's reading her "austere" letter was a hoot!
May 7, 2008 12:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
She cast the vote hoping to ensure the centrist/right side of the country she was "tough" enough for the White House.
Mistake #1 -- do not play with the lives of American soldiers when it comes to furthering your political gains.
She then was too calculating and decided to sit out 2004.
Mistake #2 -- have the guts to run against an unpopular president. I'm betting she could have won in 2004 against GWB. She was made to run against a Rovian candidate.
She then surrounded herself with people so insulated from the real world that they lost touch with what was really happening.
Mistake #3 -- never get lax about campaigning. Always run as if you were the underdog.
3 strikes -- you're out.
And the country is better for it. We do not want to give credence to "rule by dynasty" and we have come mighty close to it.
May 7, 2008 12:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Monroe county just came in with more results making it under 20k spread now.
May 7, 2008 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
16,609 difference now.
May 7, 2008 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hip, hip, hooray!!!!!
May 7, 2008 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is Hillary taking the morning off to consult with Baghdad Bob?
May 7, 2008 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Russert declared it's over? It was over a long time ago but BigMouthMedia didn't like it so they spent the last two months cramming their phony electibility\patriotism freakshow into our face. Clinton didn't lose as much as the media did. Obama won. The media lost. Big Time.
May 7, 2008 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
That close up of Russert's face is a little horrifying.
May 7, 2008 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jon Stewart asked Chris Matthews if that was really Russert's head, or was it just a carrying case for a head.
May 7, 2008 12:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed. He can't moderate a debate worth a damn, but he can beat everyone to calling the nominee.
May 7, 2008 12:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Added to which, Pat Buchanan looks like he could use a few shots of Red Bull
May 7, 2008 12:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
He'd suck a valve.
May 7, 2008 12:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Time to play that James brown song: I FEEL GOOD, 'cause this rocks! Thank you Lake County!!!
May 7, 2008 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Indiana
Clinton 606,500.00 50.69%
Obama 590,000.00 49.3%
Reporting: 95.00
Total Votes: 1,196,500.00
Front Runner % 50.69%
Margin: 16,500.00
Per Point: 12,594.74
Est. Outstanding Votes: 62,973.00
% Needed to flip 63.10%
Underdog Scenarios:
56% (9,119.56)
70% 8,689.20
80% 21,283.80
90% 33,878.40
100% 46,473.00
Expected Results:
Front Runner 638,420.00 50.69%
Under Dog 621,052.00 49.31%
Diff 17,368.00
Diff % 1.38%
May 7, 2008 12:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Russert will replace Clinton with the 'fat lady'.
May 7, 2008 12:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a Clinton supporter - with my heart and wallet.
But I respectfully cry uncle.
Congradulations to Barack -
our next president.
May 7, 2008 12:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you sir. You're more than welcome to join us in the battle against McCain.
May 7, 2008 12:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or thank you ma'am, if that's Nell rather than Neil. In any case, we're all in this together, now!
May 7, 2008 12:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a tired old goat, but I believe you're right.
May 7, 2008 1:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
May 7, 2008 12:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
No crying uncle... cry "it's time to kick McCain's ass sideways and upside down. Our nation cannot afford a Bush 3rd term and I don't want my kid growing up with a another 2 theocon/constitutional=toliet-paper justices on the SCOTUS.
But that is kinda the point, we all are basically on the same team.... so let's get fuckered up for a few days hoisting a few (even if only metaphorical over the intertubes)... then get to work taking our country back!
May 7, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Our nation cannot afford a Bush 3rd term"
You should have thought of that before buying the nomination for a candidate who can't carry the big swing states.
May 7, 2008 3:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have thought of that, which is why I support the stronger candidate who has won more states, more delegates and more votes, and can effectively put getting out of the disaster that is Iraq on the table.
May 7, 2008 6:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is it just me, or is anybody else gonna kind of miss her?
May 7, 2008 12:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone else feel sad for Hillary? She made such a great "Rocky". I'll miss the fight.
May 7, 2008 12:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Um . . . .
NO. NO. NO. NO, and NO.
Wait, a sec, let me check how I'm feeling about this . . .
Okay. That would be NO.
May 7, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
The S.S. Hillary is going down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdE_jlyRndw
May 7, 2008 12:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Miss her?
The best thing about hitting yourself on the big toe with a 16oz. hammer is that it feels so damn good when you stop.
May 7, 2008 12:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
In late Jan / February, there was a moment when I was like, "Damn, this is a pretty good show."
But that feeling vanished in March and April. I don't want to say anything unnecessarily mean, to avoid alienating our new comrades in the fight against McSame. But the last couple of months haven't been good for the party.
May 7, 2008 12:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good luck carrying Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan, Ohio, New Jersey, New York, and California. But you might have a shot at Montana and Mississippi.
The irony is that if the Democrats had the same, more rational rules as the Republicans, Hillary would have won months ago and we would have the strongest candidate in each party.
May 7, 2008 3:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes & No
Bittersweet it is but she fought a hell of a fight. I will not miss her tearing at the party and Barack but she had a dogged determination that cannot be overlooked. She did in my opinion make Barack a better candidate.
May 7, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
May 7, 2008 12:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I will, in time. Obliteration was really poor, ugly stuff. But she's learned how to campaign, and her and Bill will help on that score come the fall, if they want to.
May 7, 2008 1:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Could I be so lucky as to be able to say tomorrow: Bye, bye BILLARY!
May 7, 2008 12:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
let's be decent. we can't go down a level now that the real race begins. we need all the support we can get, and it does no one any service to jeopardize what we've worked so hard for.
smile. be magnanimous. find points of agreement and let's work together.
we really can't do this on our own.
May 7, 2008 12:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
As Judy Garland once said to Elaine Strich at 8 a.m. after a long night:
"I can't believe I'm saying this, but Good Night."
May 7, 2008 1:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've been saying for days that if she lost Indiana on Tuesday, she'd concede on Wednesday. Right now, all that's left is convincing the Big Dog that he's the LAST dog. I'm convinced Bill is the only thing standing between Obama and the nomination. The Clinton campaign is in full crisis mode. Tonight's the night. If she doesn't concede tomorrow, there's gonna be hell to pay. But I think she's writing her concession speech right now.
May 7, 2008 1:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
hear, hear! I second that as a former Hillary voter and currently a very big Obama fan!
May 7, 2008 1:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
in response to imani360. damn you TPM!
May 7, 2008 1:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
yeah. . .remember me? you insulted my intelligence, you questioned my judgement and you were just plain mean spirited.
now you need me so the Democrats don't tank in the GE.
you think we are just going to hold hands with you and sing Kumbaya?
idiots. THESE are the chickens coming home to roost.
now, go ahead and tell me you don't need the Clinton Supporters in your Democratic Party. . Tell us to go **** our selves. . yeah, that's what I thought!
May 7, 2008 1:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Kumbaya, my love, Kumbaya . . .
Kumbaya, my love, Kumbaya . . .
Roe v Wade, my love, Roe v Wade . . .
May 7, 2008 1:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
These Obama elitists have their money and that's all they care about. With McCain as president they'll have even more of it, and that's what they really care about. Obama is just the means to that end.
May 7, 2008 3:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Every vote counts -- why don't you do your part to keep McBush out of the White House?
May 7, 2008 5:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice fight, Hillary... but now it's BAMA-TIME!!!
Bed-Stuy Resident for Barack Obama!!!!
May 7, 2008 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
See that you Obama supporters are just gloating and continuing to make nasty comments about Clinton. Many people feel that she was a better choice and would have made a great president. Intend to vote for Obama in November but without enthusiasm or the belief that he will actually win. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong. Obama will need all the support he can get and if you want to those who prefer Clinton into your corner tone down your nastiness.
May 7, 2008 1:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've been an Obama fan from the beginning, and I hope you don't take the actions of the few to represent the sentiments of the many. Your candidate has fought a terrific battle, but now that we have a nomineeโpresuming Obama is the nomineeโhe could really use your help.
May 7, 2008 1:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are far too may Kool-Aid drinkers in the Democratic Party. That they want to continue to insult Hillary and the people whose support they need only shows what arrogant elitist losers they really are. They can but the nomination by spending five times as much money, but they won't be able to buy the presidency. This is the same gang that nominated Dukakis, Mondale, and Kerry. Except that their pastors didn't hate America.
May 7, 2008 2:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cue the sad Sinatra! The moment we've been waiting for! This is better than when I saw the Red Sox beat the Yankees in Game Six of the 2004 ALCS from the front row at Yankee Stadium. Bye, Hillary!
May 7, 2008 1:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
You'd better say good by to the presidency while you're at it, losers.
May 7, 2008 2:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
CNN just called it for Hillary.
May 7, 2008 1:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
maybe she can go out on some sort of high note now
May 7, 2008 1:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
No events tomorrow for Hillary?
It's All O-VER!
May 7, 2008 1:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
WHY IS HILLARY DISENFRANCHISING KENTUCKY, WEST VIRGINIA, OREGON, MONTANA, SOUTH DAKOTA, AND PUERTO VALLARTA LIKE THIS???!
May 7, 2008 1:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Puerto Vallarta?
Hahahahahaha.
May 7, 2008 2:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Leonidas, king of the Spartans, shouts: โFight with spirit,
Spartans; perhaps we will dine today among the ghosts!โ
As a fervent Obamite, I respect Hillary's mettle. What she lacked in tact, she made up with brute force. Can anyone deny the historical dimensions of this contest?
May 7, 2008 1:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Turn out the lights, the party's over.
May 7, 2008 1:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I would say it's over. You're right, it is very exciting. It's time to start practicing the phrases "President McCain" and "The Iran War."
May 7, 2008 1:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
sour grapes don't become you
May 7, 2008 1:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Neil B and laternighter, thank you for posting in this thread, and for posting in the manner that you did. HRC has been a formidable opponent and I'm not counting her out yet... and I hope and think that Obama supporters here will emulate the class and graciousness of their candidate. I have so much respect and admiration for HRC's supporters. This has been a very difficult campaign for all of us.
May 7, 2008 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I hope and think that Obama supporters here will emulate the class and graciousness of their candidate."
Bwaaahaaaahaaaahaaaahaaaahaaaaahaaaaaahaaaahaaaahaaahaaahaaahaaaahaaa!!!
May 7, 2008 2:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone who thinks that whore pig Russert speaks for the Democratic party is crazy. It ain't over till the lady sings. It's amazing to me why any Democrat would vote for the weaker candidate and campaigner, but then, I guess a lot of Democrats have gotten very comfortable losing elections. I truly hope that those who are celebrating today will still be celebrating on election day in November. Because if you're not, I'll be here to remind all you losers that "I told you so."
May 7, 2008 2:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Does your rant make an sense even to you?
May 7, 2008 2:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
You don't make an sense, loser.
May 7, 2008 2:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
So what are you planning on doing in November? You obviously have strong opinions.
May 7, 2008 2:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL all charm and light.
May 7, 2008 6:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's amazing to me why any Democrat would vote for the weaker candidate and campaigner
Coming from a Hillary supporter I can only assume that's a rhetorical question directed at yourself. But, playing along with your flawed assumptions, what does it say about your candidate that she's losing in every possible metric to a "weaker candidate and campaigner"? That argument only works if she, in fact, demonstrates that she's the opposite of both of the above, and ...
Oh, sorry about that, my phone's ringing: it's Reality and it wants to speak to you about your premises. Funny thing, Reality. Here's the wake-up call: if your "better campaigner" and "better candidate" keeps losing to an "unvetted rookie," then your argument collapses in on itself faster than Mark Penn after a donut binge.
Your race-baiting failed.
Your working-class pandering failed.
Your win-on-Super-Tuesday arrogance failed.
Time to reassess. You're welcome to join us as we pivot to take on McCain, but that's assuming you actually want to defeat him in November. If so, let's get to work.
May 7, 2008 3:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wake up and smell the coffee. Obama spent five times as much money and he still lost Indiana, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida and Michigan - the most important swing states. He only won North Carolina because every black person voted for him because he was black. If the Democratic voters of Florida and Michigan had not been disenfranchised Hillary would be the nominee today. Or if the Democrats used the same, much saner primary rules as the Republicans in winner-take-all states Hillary would be the nominee. The only reason that Obama will be the nominee is because he's a black man with a lot of money. And if you think that's enough to make him the president, you're in for a rude awakening come November.
May 7, 2008 3:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
He wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan. Your incoherent lunacy doesn't even come close to reality.
May 7, 2008 6:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
LATERNIGHTER: Good luck with that appeal to we 'elite', at least for tonight. After all, her hopes have been 'obliterated'. Don't be 'bitter', for beyond that 'threshold' lies... well, you surely get my drift. But, tell me, has Obama himself ever said anything about Clinton that has offended your sensibilities? If so, what was it?
May 7, 2008 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
As this thread winds down, good night to all of you who have shared this exhilarating, rewarding, historic night.
Fears allayed, hopes renewed.
Hillary may not sleep as contentedly as we will, but she will surely awake to what seems like a new day.
What she chooses to do will be important for her, but not necessarily for the march of historical events.
I'm old enough to recall an earlier but stillborn prediction: "Please get out out of the new road if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a-changin'."
I said that.
May 7, 2008 2:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yea, you don't need working class Democrats. You don't need elderly voters. You don't need Hispanics or women. All you limousine liberals need is your money, huh?
May 7, 2008 2:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, all 1.5 million of us limousine liberals donating $25 at a time thwarted your multi-millionaire insider. I'm sure you lose sleep every night about the plight of the working class white and/or Latino.
Being generous and assuming that you do, you might want to take a closer look at the track record of your candidate. You've been played for a fool, but it happens to the best of us from time to time. It's time to let it go.
May 7, 2008 3:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're the one that's a fool if you think Obama can win in November. And you're elitist arrogance only makes that more certain.
May 7, 2008 3:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
"you're elitist arrogance" (and ""You'd might as well..." below) doesn't make an sense.
What are you, the replacement troll? Don't tell me, all the paid trolls are gone and you just located the Intertubes.
OK, I agree with everybody who says it's time to play nice with Hillary.
But it's also time for her to decide if she wants a political career under Pres. Obama or not. If she does, then she has to play a lot more than nice. She has to get out there and work - for him.
If not - well, all this crap about "We Hillary supporters will leave you high and dry", statistically speaking, is crap. It doesn't work like that.
Anyway, monkey, you fool, look around you. Events will make us glad we have somebody who's willing to think differently as our political leader. The shit-storm hasn't begun to break.
May 7, 2008 8:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you!
May 7, 2008 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have always felt it was disingenuous for Clinton supporters to want to be "courted" after this campaign. I think they are just looking for some attention.
Everyone I've talked to, regardless of whom they supported already knows exactly what they will do should their candidate not be the nominee. This includes "sitting it out" or even "voting for McCain" or even "writing in their candidates name".
The point is that they already knew.
And I suspect you already know what you will do too, regardless of your vote being courted.
Therefore, we don't need to. You already know what you will do in November. And that's cool.
May 7, 2008 2:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL
as one disgruntled voter once said
"I am above all of this squabbling. . I Will just VOTE FOR NADER and vote my conscious.
hey! Look! Nader is running!
May 7, 2008 3:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
You'd might as well vote for Nader since he's going to lose too.
May 7, 2008 3:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Such a bitter monkey.
May 7, 2008 3:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ignorance is bliss.
May 7, 2008 3:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nader is hardly voting one's conscience. Do you remember the year he was on the ballot but refused to campaign? I'm sure you can find a better 3rd party candidate -- hell, write one in!
May 7, 2008 4:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Be back in November just to say I told you so.
On the bright side, after four years of McCain, Hillary should have no trouble beating him in 2012.
May 7, 2008 4:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
WHERE ARE MY CLINTONISTAS AT?
May 7, 2008 4:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I had almost forgotten why I stopped reading TPM reader comments.
Oh yeah, that's why.
May 7, 2008 6:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
In a couple days they're going to stop playing the Hillary "full speed to the Whitehouse" sound byte and the overwhelming CW is that she stands no chance and/or simply is trying to destroy Obama. In other words, she'll be spoken of as a joke or destructive for the sake of destruction of the presumptive nominee.
May 7, 2008 7:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
If the rules had ben different, Obama would have used different strategies. As it was, his campaign was incredibly efficient, and obviously effective.
If FL and MI hadn't disenfranchised themselves by not playing by the established rules, then all candidates would have campaigned there and the primaries may have meant something. As it is, they are meaningless. However, don't be deluded into thinking that there won't be a compromise that allows their delegates to be seated.
You keep mentioning money, but you should consider the source of the money. Clinton raised a respectable amount, but the sources were overwhelmingly corporate bundlers and maxed out individuals. Obama's fundraising sources were mostly individuals donating small amounts, many for the first time.
More striking to me was the tone of the campaigns - Bill Clinton said it himself back when he was a candidate: "if one person is trying to scare you, and the other is trying to get you to think, which should you vote for?".
I do think that the lengthy primary has been good for two main reasons - almost every mudball that can be thrown at obama has been thrown (no doubt the Republican machine will dig up more, but no one can say he hasn't been well vetted). Also, the number people registering as Democrats is extremely encouraging for November.
May 7, 2008 7:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gaaah - TPM comment gremlin strikes again - the above was in repsonse to rstephen (the glasses-wearing monkey avatar) at 3:52am...
May 7, 2008 7:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
What exactly is 'FULL SPEED AHEAD' for HRC? Seems she could be ticketed for obstruction of traffic....
May 7, 2008 7:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's not quitting (unless this is where she plans to announce that she's done)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/07/clinton.westvirginia/index.html
May 7, 2008 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
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May 10, 2008 6:04 AM | Reply | Permalink