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Hillary Campaign Says No To New Michigan Delegate Proposal

Camp Hillary is rejecting the new plan floated today by Michigan Dems that would seat the delegation by awarding 69 delegates to Hillary and 59 to Obama.

Hillary spokesperson Isaac Baker emails over this:

"This proposal does not honor the 600,000 votes that were cast in Michigan's January primary. Those votes must be counted."

This is hardly surprising, since the proposal gives Hillary a 10 delegate margin -- a significant cut from the 18-delegate margin of victory she enjoyed over "uncommitted" (Obama wasn't on the ballot) in the Michigan primary.

Late Update: A good post from Chris Bowers on the Michigan proposal's larger implications for the race overall.


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She shouldn't get anything reall out of MI, it should be split evenly 50/50. The fact that they are wiling to give her a 10 more is insane to me. It already stinks of unfairness. HIS NAME WAS NOT ON BALLOT. THIS IS TOTALLY UNFAIR BULLSHIT.

"This proposal does not honor the 600,000 votes that were cast in Michigan's January primary. Those votes must be counted."

It's this high and mighty protector of the people's vote b.s. that makes me despise Clinton. They're not protecting any votes because it was an illegitimate election! They're not speaking about the people that were disenfranchised because they were basically told their vote would not count and decided to stay away from the polls, they're trying to hold up an election where their opponent was not even on the ballot!

She and her camp of people trying to push this as a real election are disgusting.

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I think you underestimate how disgusting they are.

PS - Spider Jerusalem Rocks!

Haha, thanks. You're the first one to recognize him to me here.

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Before every election season I reread all of Transmetropolitan.

I like to keep my Journalistic Meat Gun loaded at all times!

Mitt Romney really reminds me of the Smiler.

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On the Republican side yeah, on the Dem side, for me, it was John Edwards.

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Meanwhile ideals like Party RULES get packed up as the Hillary mad machine tries to circumvent the very rules that have held up the DEM party since inception.Hillary's Repug winner takes all wish says everything about how this shrewd witch despises the rules of the Democratic party, not to mention her obvious loathe for its success. Otherwise how do you explain how Hillary has sunk into a situation where its either HER or GODDAMN the Democratic Party. Me me me me me me me...!

Sad!

Pathetic!

I hope that my fellow Obama supporters who are expressing a desire to see MI punished are prepared to be disappointed. I feel fairly confident in saying that MI and FL will be seated according to their January votes. Once the supers come off the bench in a few weeks, Obama is going to have the requisite support needed to seat them as they stand without affecting the outcome. At that point he will happily do so in order to put this issue to rest and afford himself a few happy days of favorable press ink as democratic big wigs in those states pose for smiling feel good photo ops in return for his saving their bacon (if MI is not seated in Denver Gov Granholm can start drawing up her resignation speach now because she will be run back to Canada on a rail). These two states are not going to be left out in the cold.

As I've said earlier, having their results unimplemented until they lose relevance seems like a fitting punishment enough for their attempt to jump the gun and give themselves disproportionate influence on the nomination process.

Right on. Perfect solution. Obama wraps it up with Superdels and then MI and FL can be seated according to "Hillary Rules".

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I disagree about Michigan. Florida, sure, seat them, it won't make a difference. But Obama's name wasn't even on the MI ballot, no way they seat them as is.

Agreed. For some crazy reason they might be able to pull their shit in FL because his name was on the ballot even though people were STILL told that their vote would basically note count. But to try to pull that in MI would mean serious political ramifications.

So you are saying that if Obama agrees, as a magnanimous gesture, to seat the delegates according to the (admittedly bogus) January vote, there will blow back against Obama? Why? I am not quite following you here. Are you so mad at Gov Granholm's cock-up that you would take it out on Obama for not insisting that she be punished?

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Even though I think you are generally way too nice about Hillary's campaign tactics, i agree with you herw, Greg.

I wan't everybody to be happy by the time November rolls around (except Hillary and anyone intending to vote for Mccain). As long as the delegates in question can't swing the nomination Hillary's way, and won't cause mischief at the convention making Obama look weak, seat them. Hell, seat them all as full delegates if they agree to the foregoing.

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I agree that we have to be worried that if she edges up in delegate numbers via Florida and Michigan, that she will then try to flip some pledged and superdelegates. There was concern that her campaign was trying to get what I call "ringers" selected as Obama delegates when we picked delegates to the convention for Obama. In our district, we selected true Obama supporters. But if she was pulling that stunt all over the country, she could position herself to subvert the people's choice-Obama. She and her people could work on this all summer long. They could undermine Obama and distract him from the general election. I think Hillary and her people have to be treated like snakes, poisonous ones. You cannot trust that she is not going to "take it to the convention", employ "the nuclear option". No. Do not trust her. Ridiculous! to seat the Michigan delegates and supers as though it were a fair election. She doesn't care about fair, and Obama better be wary!

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p.s. According to Maureen Down in yesterday's NYTimes:

Fox News reports that the Clintons are planning a summer campaign with TV appearances, fliers and rallies, between the end of the primary and the convention, to drag back superdelegates trying to flock to Obama.

(I am sorry that I am not that competent with the computer, the above note about Fox is copied from yesterday's paper.)

I can no reason to quibble over eight delegates unless you are planning to stay in the fight. I think we Obama supporters are foolish to think that she's going to go away.

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sorry. Maureen Dowd, not Maureen Down.

Against Obama?

Hmm, I wasn't thinking of that as much, more I was thinking of backlash against Clinton and the democratic party from Obama supporters who saw her as stealing the delegate representation and the DNC allowing it.

Against Obama?

Hmm, I wasn't thinking of that as much, more I was thinking of backlash against Clinton and the democratic party from Obama supporters who saw her as stealing the delegate representation and the DNC allowing it.

I am sorry that the Party will have to back down on its stand on Florida and Michigan, it makes Dean seem a waffler, but I think it's going to be, and I agree that Obama will do the right thing if he lets the delegations be seated. I do not, however, think Hillary Clinton should take all of Michigan's votes, both those for her and those that were cast for "uncommitted," which is her current strategy. You probably know about the machinations in this regard already, Greg, but if you don't, here is a link to Susan Demas' 4/24 piece from the Detroit News site.

Oops. I'm a jerk/ Here's the link to the Detroit News piece about Clinton and her potential takeover of Michigan's uncommmitted votes:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080424/OPINION01/804240315/1008

Of course both MI and FL will be seated under just the scenario you suggest. But the DNC will have made their point. If they had buckled, then the next cycle would see primaries on Halloween. They seriously need to get control of this system.

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I'm mostly with you, and if it comes to this, so be it.

My problem is that once they seat 'em, then what punishment was dealt these rogue states?

Will our next primary season be even more ridiculous as more states move their primaries to position themselves at the beginning? I care less about the delegates at this point, than about party rule.

part of the michigan rational for going early was to bring campaign money to the state. It never came, and the state could use it. That is punishment.

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Well, realistically, if they're not seated until after the nomination is clinched, then that's their punishment -- they didn't really have a part in making the decision.

This was obviously the underlying desire of the DNC all along and why it's gone this far -- if the other states could decide things by themselves, then they could just seat the irrelevant MI/FL with lesson learned.

Did you predict this weeks ago.

Becasue I did and I don't recall a single Obama supporter agreeing. Did you? If so, my mistake. If not, nice way to change your tune.

Wow, you were right about something. Bravo. You were also right to not take my bet on NC and IN, you would've had your ass handed to you, kinda like Hillary had hers delivered with a bow on it by Obama.

Your prediction was based on the patently false assumption that Obama needs delegates from FL and MI to reach 2025.

If Fla and Michigan are seated, the number isn't 2025.

My thoughts exactly. Peas in a pod, lately, eh?

This is a nothing story. Journalists are have trouble pivoting back to other stories on different subjects. Of course, TPM-EC's job is to focus on the election, so, well, here's the news.

Michigan and Florida will be seated. In fact, I suspect they'll be seated as the vote came in. No problem. The punishment for both delegations will be (looked back in history) as being irrelevant to the contest as it was occurring.

In effect, Michigan and Florida's decisions to move their primary up will have resulted in moving their primary back at the end of the season, after the decision had already been made. Fun, eh? Seems like a fitting punishment to me.

Needless to say, neither Obama nor myself has it in our power to effect this punishment, but I would like to see the punishment be that both MI's and FL's supers be stripped of their vote at the convention. They are the ones who caused the problem, so they should be the ones to bear the penalty. I dare say that this would be a much more effective deterrant than halving the pledged delegations, or suchlike. Making Gov Granholm and Sen Levin each wear a dunce cap will teach them not to play chicken with Howard Dean.

Now that's a damn good idea.

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But she REJECTED a more-than-reasonable proposal, which exposes her for the greedy fraud that she is.

I've been saying for months that public proposals, giving her some edge, should be made. She will look ridiculous if she rejects them. And she has rejected it. And she looks craven and ridiculous.

Good.

In fact, now maybe we can throw out the entire fiasco. An offer was made, Obama made noises that he was willing to accept it, she would not. Now what do you think the credentials committee is going to do with that?

She's can't play fair. She won't play at all unless she's the winner all the time in all things.

She's unfit to be president.

Where are the God damned supers?!?

Seems like her strategy is really to have the chance for the nuclear option. So any compromise destroys that strategy. And yes, it proves how craven she really is!

Hmm....

Breaking News...

http://twitter.com/BreakingNewsOn

what a tease that is!

There's a fucking surprise. She's not interested in reaching an equitable agreement. She's interested in keeping this issue alive so she can continue to bitch about it.

You hit the nail on the head Hunter.

Obama needs to pick up this mantle and expose Clinton for the fraud that she is. He should demand that MI and FL be seated with whatever sanction the DNC feels necessary so that we don't go through this again in 2012.

As a MI Obama supporter, I don't feel there is any vote to "honor". My candidate wasn't even on the ballot and I stayed home that day to protest that fact. I saw then that the uncommitted vote was BS because the uncommitted delegate could turn right around and vote for Clinton.

I do seriously hope that Obama's campaign puts this issue to bed and quickly so that Clinton can stop using it as an excuse to stay in the race.

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There's still time to schedule a caucus for say, June. Obama could afford to pony up the couple million neccisary to hold a caucus in Michigan.

Caucus in Michigan for June 3!

But...but...but...Caucuses are undemocratic and unfair to Hillary!

The only acceptable solution to the MI and FL delegate situation for Clinton would be if 100% of those delegates went to her. Even the ones Obama would receive from Florida.

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Actually MI has a long history of caucuses and this was suggested many months ago.

Hillary shot it down.

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I agree! She should be happy with a 50/50 split since MI went against the rules.

Whatever. If you ignore her, she'll go away.

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Obama's team needs to get on this. He can stay above the fray---but his surrogates need to get out and talk about how she turned down an offer to seat these delegates.

The need to blanket the airwaves with this.

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Agreed.
She and her surrogates did just that, but they did it with MISinformation and lies. They were peddling the talking point that Sen Obama didn't want a revote.

This is not at all surprising. Depressing, but not surprising.

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Can you blame her? Obama wants all the "uncommitted" votes which include votes for Edwards, if I'm not mistaken. Plus he wants some of Hillary's votes. Hillary hasn't contested that he get all the uncommitted votes, but she wants to keep all of hers. ("Can you blame her" was a rhetorical question, as I'm sure some could.)

Actually, what ended up happening in Michigan was that when the district conventions were held, Clinton supporters ended up taking up a bunch of the uncommitted delegates. Just because she was on the ballot doesn't mean that some of those delegates couldn't have gone for her, but that's a common misconception. So basically what would end up happening is that she would get the 50 some percent of delegates from the illegitimate election plus a good number from the uncommitted delegates margin from that same illegitimate election.

Not even cool for one second.

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Yes, some of the uncommitted voters were also Edwards supporters, but some Clinton voters would have voted for Obama or Edwards if they were on the ballot. The CNN exit poll showed Clinton beating Obama 46-35 if all candidates had been on the ballot. In other words, 16% of Clinton's voters (9% of the total vote, of which her share was 55%) would have voted for Edwards or Obama if they could have. When you consider this factor in addition to your point about uncommitted voters, Obama actually does a net 4% better against Clinton (losing by 11) than "uncommitted" did against Clinton (losing 55-40). In addition, although some Clinton supporters might not have voted knowing the primary didn't count, it is more likely that Obama and Edwards supporters stayed home or voted in the GOP primary because they couldn't vote for their candidate. So in all likelihood, Obama would have done better relative to Clinton than the exit polls suggest. Basically, there is no fair way to base delegate allocations on the election results.

At any rate, it is false to say that "Obama wants all the uncommitted votes." They are open to a compromise based on giving Michigan token representation in the absence any legitimate way of determining the will of the voters, not based on assuming all the uncommitted votes were for him. Originally they were looking for a 50-50 split, although they may be open to giving Clinton a small advantage now that she can't catch him anyway. As far as I know, the Obama campaign has not suggested he should just be credited with the uncommitted vote. Their position is that the original primary was illegitimate and should not be considered at all.

I agree that I don't blame her for rejecting it though. She benefits more from the confusion about the state of the race brought about by saying Florida and Michigan haven't been counted than she does by making a small dent in Obama's lead while eliminating that confusion.

Oh yes indeed, ottof, she is contesting the uncommitted votes. Please have a look: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080424/OPINION01/804240315/1008

Just count the votes .

What are you scared of now?

Well, you should be scared of Obama joining the long list of losers the Dems have run.

Think about it, he has done nothing in Senate but you are running him solely on his words.

It boggles the mind.

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"Losers the dems have run."

Hillary lost, get over it. Quit whining you insufferable little troll twit.

Ok. You can have all the delegates. After June 7th. Sound like a deal? I hope so, because that's what is going to happen. This is a kerfuffle that now has no basis in reality. I'll even let you go ahead and complain about the unfairness all you want. I'll even concede that the delegates not apportioned to Hillary are instead apportioned to "Uncommitted."

Same goes in Florida.

The only thing I have on the table, that cannot be removed, is that the decision to seat the delegations will not be made until June 7th.

And that is exactly what is going on now. Cheers!

Oh, and finally, that decision to seat the delegations after June 7th will be to seat them. i guarantee they will be seated. Deal?

I completley agree with gotalife - thanks for serving the truth straight up.

I think Gotalife would agree with me that it is totally Obama's fault for not putting himself on the ballot. Rules are meant to be broken.

Look at everything HRC (Hillary Rodham Clinton) has done! I don't even have to list them because there are so many (maybe Gotalife can help me out on the assist here)

Enough of the cool aid!

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Hillary's big accomplishments in the senate are limited to naming a few federal buildings.

Big whoopdedoo!

You know, gotalifefan, you do more to expose the paucity of gotalife's arguments than any of the arguments specifically directed against her. And that's what you mean to do, isn't it? You're sending her up.

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Count the votes? Which ones?

It's amazing how her campaign is shouting "count the votes!" and "we can't disenfranchise the voters";
yet they have no problem pushing for super delegates to OVERTHROW the will (votes) of the people.

The DNC, the super delegates, AND the pundits need to call her out on this hypocrisy.

What an insult even to the uneducated older white women over 50 making under 50.

His legislative record is more substantial than Hillary's, unless you count naming post offices. She's got plenty of those!

Not that I expect you to read this, but boom!

"There is not one single example of any legislation with her name appended to it. In fact, the page devoted to her Senate biography is a mush-mash, a laundry list of good intentions. When she talks about "sponsoring" and "introducing" and "fighting for" legislation that obviously hasn't passed, that's a smokescreen for failure. By introducing all that legislation that never makes it out of committee, she's guilty of what she accuses Senator Obama of: confusing "hoping" with doing.

Consider these examples:

• "...{she} worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild."

• "...she fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims."

• "She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefit to members of the National Guard and Reserves."

• "Some of Hillary' proudest achievements have been her work to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act." (What in God's name does that mumbo-jumbo mean?)

Yes, it's true that for many years, she was in the minority. But if she is the effective legislator she claims to be, she'd be able find co-sponsors across the aisle who share her commitment to specific issues, in the same way that John McCain found his doppelganger, Russ Feingold.

But an inability to get legislation passed is just the beginning of Senator Clinton's shallow record. For many of the bills she introduced, she couldn't even get a cosponsor in her own party!

Below are some perfectly fine, liberal, progressive bills that she introduced, but was unable to attract a cosponsor of any party, according to the Library of Congress.

Note that while her website proclaims that "She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefit to member of the National Guard and Reserves", she wasn't able to rustle up a single cosponsor for legislation that would have extended military retirement credit for National Guard Members called up after 9/11.

So Senator Clinton is right when she claims to be the experienced candidate, although it's not the experience she would like us to believe. It's a track record of legislative failure and futility.

89. S.4065 : A bill to direct the Attorney General to conduct a study on the feasibility of collecting crime data relating to the occurrence of school-related crime in elementary schools and secondary schools.
Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] (introduced 11/16/2006) Cosponsors (None)

88. S.4029 : A bill to increase the number of well-educated nurses, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] (introduced 9/29/2006) Cosponsors (None)

90. S.4103 : A bill to prevent nuclear terrorism, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] (introduced 12/7/2006) Cosponsors (None)

77. S.3909 : A bill to amend the foreign Assistance Act of 1961 to provide assistance for developing countries to promote quality basic education and to establish the achievement of universal basic education in all developing countries as an objective of United States foreign assistance policy, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] (introduced 9/18/2006) Cosponsors (None)

59. S.2993 : A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to impose a temporary oil profit fee and to use the proceeds of the fee collected to provide a Strategic Energy Fund and expand certain energy tax incentives, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] (introduced 5/23/2006) Cosponsors (None)

26. S.1144 : A bill to provide military retirement credit for certain service by National Guard members performed while in a State duty status immediately after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.
Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] (introduced 5/26/2005) Cosponsors (None)

50. S.2260 : A bill to amend titles XVIII and XIX of the Social Security Act to make improvements to payments to Medicare Advantage plans and to reinstate protections in the Medicaid program for working families, their children, and the disabled against excessive out-of-pocket costs, inadequate benefits, and health care coverage loss.
Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] (introduced 2/8/2006) Cosponsors (None)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-hanft/the-curious-myth-of-hilla_b_87613.html

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But, but, Hillary helped name federal buildings, what could be more important than that?

Gotalife is an idiot, don't you dare respond to him with facts, you'll make him angry and he'll run off to his bedroom and pout.

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Gotalife;
I think you should go back and compare HRC's Senate Record with Obama’s. Then add in his stint as an Illinois Senator which counts because he was elected.

Then check JFK's brief career before he became what most Dems consider, along with FDR, the greatest President since Lincoln. Kennedy, btw, was 43 when he was elected.

Judgment and wisdom do not have a direct correlation with age or experience. I think HRC's supporters have lost sight of that reality in their fervor to support her.

69-59 was fine by me. It's hardly "fair" but whatever to put this issue to rest.

Two-faced hypocrite. Show me your past post where you ever suggested seating these delegates.

haha, how am I a hypocrite?

What have I said previously that contradicts with me supporting a 69-59 split?

You said they shouldn't be seated at all.

Hypocrite.

When did I say that?

Please provide a quote and a link?

Can't search the archive that far back.

You deny it? Yes or no.

Aw, too bad.

Do I deny saying Michigan shouldn't be seated? As is, yes. Giving Hillary ~70 delegates and ~300,000 votes and Obama ZERO is beyond ridiculous.

I was never against some sort of compromise.

yes, you can.

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So.. if she's rejected this then that goes back to the previous proposal, which is Michigan being seated not at all, right?

This gives her the rationale for taking it all the way to the convention floor.

And clearly that's what she's after! the rules committee and the floor!

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I think it should be 50/50 too. I have friends/family that voted for HRC because she was a strong 2nd choice and at that time, they liked her. Now they wish they would've went uncommitted.

At this rate, she won't be able to run for governor...

or anything...

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Um, excuse me, but who fucking cares what Hillary agrees to or doesn't agree to? She is finished, she has been since February and even her advisors know it.

Let her squeel like a stuck piggy, this thing is over, it's time to move on to the General Election.

Blatant, isn't she? So taking the names fff the ballot wasn't a dishonor to them? Telling voters before the election that it wouldn't count invalidated the election results.

This, plus the "hard-working Americans" comment is very unbecoming.

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Once again, this is classic Team Hillary. She should not have to wonder by she's getting trounced in the delegate world. She told everyone in October that she would honor the party rules. In January, she told everyone she would reject the party rules. She lies. That is what you get here. The Clinton people will say that Obama would do the same: I don't think so.

She is being offered an opportunity to seat the delegates. She is turning down the offer. She deserves what she gets.

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Yeah really. Who the hell does she think she is? Just keep giving her different plans until she agrees to one, she is doing this so that she can get the nomination. So ofcourse she isn't going to be happy until she can be in a position to take/steal the nomination. OVER MY DEAD BODY.

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Wow, they're going out in style, aren't they?

1) having to loan themselves $6 million

2) floating the "she's running for Barack's VP story."

3) intentionally or not deepening the race divide in the party with the USA Today comments suggesting blacks are not "hard working."

4) saying the "Nuclear Option" is on the table.

5) slapping down a reasonable Michigan compromise, and calling for "votes to be honored" from a ballot where her opponent didn't even appear.

It's gone from maddening, to pathetic.

Let the drama end! Please!

It reminds me of an event from long ago. All night long a fight went on across the street. Voices. Lots of thumps. And in the morning, strewn across the lawn were articles of clothing, pieces of furniture, whatnot!

These clintons cannot just leave. They must leave a mess behind them! And give everyone sleepless nights in the process!

The superdelegates are driving me f'ing nuts. She says no to a unifying plan proposed by MI Democratic leaders, so SD's should end it now.

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she wants to up her pop vote to make a better "argument" cause she can't win with the way the rules are written right now.

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She really ought to be punished with no delegates from either state for the racist comments she made today.

Hillary for President of the Aryan Nation!

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I believe the Obama strategy all along has been to make proposals that were impossible for Clinton to accept, the goal being to delay the settlement of the Michigan and Florida issues until after Clinton was out of the race. But of course that can't be true because Obama does not participate in politics as usual. He's a new kind of politician.

These people think he can win the general by disenfranchising Florida and Michigan.

It gets more bizarre every day.

It boggles the mind.

Totally agree Gotalife - I think I speak for both of us when I saw that Obama needs to start playing by the rules - just like Hillary.

I love your strategy!

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