Sounds like my decision not to watch this was probably good for my blood pressure.

Instead, I watched Obama's speech.

"Todos somos americanos".

Senator Clinton? When you're in a hole, and you are, it's a good idea to stop digging. If you want that Veep position as much as Bill wants it for you, shut up about the Obama campaign.

If a tree falls in the forest....

The sound of one hand clapping........

Go away... Go Away....

I cannot belive supposedly sane people are persisting in funding this balderdash.

Why does this have to be so messy? In a year when we should be proud as Democrats to have a groundbreaking candidate on the ticket, no matter who it is, we have to resort to this? I think it's the GOP getting their chuckles at the DNC's expense.

Obama should react to this as though Hillary formally rejected the Vice-Presidential offer.

Pelosi just came out in favor of Obama-Clinton ticket? WTF?

edit:

to be picked.

Obama is pathetic.

Let the American people vote kooks.

Democracy.

She'll do whatever she can to take down Obama and the Democratic party.

We don't, I guess, understand that Hillary is supposed to be the nominee. Why don't we get that? I'll say it again...Hillary is Tracy Flick without the charm.

With Dems like Hillary and Lieberman, the Republicans have very little to worry about.

Fuck off, bitch! Gawd, I've wanted to say that for months now.....

I didn't want to be labelled sexist. I'm not, but if anyone, man or woman, deserves that label- it's her.

Pretty sad considering I voted for her...

Not nearly enough trolls on this string, so I'll do my best to fill in.

How typical of Oilbama's people to lie to CNN that they're from the Clinton campaign, so they can try to push out Hillary while they actually court Osama to be on the ticket. It's sexist, is what it is. Hey Obamambots, your "guy" can try to steal the election, but Hillary will prevail. She has super powers.

Also, any reactions to the Obama speech from today in Miami? The guy has some guts to resist the Cuban vote pander directly to the cuban-american groups.

http://www.miamiherald.com/979/story/544603.html

I admit, a really sick feeling came across ol'e me when I heard she might be considering getting within 2 miles of that fake. Even their names that close together on a bumper sticker makes my stomach turn.

He should, but he won't, get on his skinny knees to her to beg for something, ANYthing, that will help his campaign.

Ana Marie Cox on this flapdoodle:

CNN is reporting, and the blogs are amplifying, that Clinton and Obama are in "formal talks" about her coming onto the ticket as the VP. That there are talks happening may well be true, but the chatter I'm hearing these days is that Hillary does not want the job.

Ana Marie Cox on "Clinton as Veep" Talk

Clinton needs to schedule debates with McCain.

The arrogance of Obama is breathtaking.

I'm sure she has iron clad evidence to substantiate this innuendo...as always....

Go away, far, far away.

It's not only CNN... NYT is reporting how Bill Clinton- the most prominent destroyer of Hillary's hopes- is busy in back room deals for VP.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/23/us/politics/23veep.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

I' sorry for Hillary supporters, really. Five minutes ago you were told to root for the V.P. spot and now not to root for the V.P. spot. I'm sorry.

HUGE NEWS from Al Giordano. Clinton supporters aren't just witching to Obama they have threatened Clinton with mass defects until she rallies behind Obama.

"The Cardoza 40″: Exodus of Clinton Delegates Begins:

The endorsement by US Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-California) of Obama today sends an extremely firm message to the Clinton campaign, and not only because he was, until today, a Clinton superdelegate.

The Field has learned that Cardoza is the first of a group of at least 40 Clinton delegates, many of them from California, that through talking among themselves came to a joint decision that all of them would vote for Obama at the convention. They have informed Senator Clinton that it’s time to unite around Obama, and that they will be coming out, one or two at a time, and announcing their switch between now and the convention if Senator Clinton doesn’t do the same.

Clinton who?

Who gives a fuck anymore about her failed campaign and the ongoing Clinton psychodrama?

Hillary is getting more squirrely by the day. Obama has the good sense to pivot away from her and concentrate on laying out his policies, such as his Latin America speech today.

"It is not anything I'm entertaining. It is nothing I've planned. It is nothing I'm prepared to engage in."

Well good! We all, Clinton's supporters included, need to take her at her word and forget all this crap about offering her the veep spot.

More from the Dick Nixon playbook: accuse your opponent of what you're doing to them. ('Course, Nixon was much better at it. Well, at least for awhile. . .)

This sexism crap is truly amazing. (As if that could even apply to someone as sexually neutered as Hillary Clinton.) Complaints about any dirty little tactic of hers is sexism. But, playing hardball against her is also sexism. And mentioning anything about anything is sexism.

This has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with psychotic egoism. It's temper tantrums and hysteria(yes, hysteria) from someone, her husband, and their supporters who just aren't gonna get what they want.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!

Peggy Noonan in today's WSJ said it much better:

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121148557268715077.html

GOOD NEWS... Hillary suckers cannot argue for a VP slot..at least until Hillary opens her mouth again.

She's been an asshole for the last 5 months. She deserves nothing. And helps nothing.

Edwards or Webb polled great in the recent Survey USA polls as VP with Obama, and crushed McCain.

I may be wrong (and if I am, I'm sure plenty of people will correct me), but I seem to remember reading something about the Kennedy/Johnson ticket that scares me, because some people are suggesting that for the sake of party unity, Hillary at least needs to be asked to be VP.

The way I remember it is that a lot af JFK's advisors were pressuring him to pick Johnson, not only because he could bring in the South, but because he wielded so much power in the Senate. But Kennedy couldn't stand Johnson and didn't want him on the ticket. Kennedy's advisors told him not to worry - he would gain plenty of points for ASKING, but Johnson's ego was so big, he would never agree to taking second place.

Clinton says she's not interested, but I don't think she should even be asked. She doesn't deserve the courtesy.

Of course she would say that she "would look to the camp of my opponent for the source of these stories"; because she knows that they probably came from her camp and she doesn't want us to look there.

"California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a staunch supporter of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, says that if Sen. Barack Obama becomes the Democratic nominee he should pick Clinton as his running mate.

Feinstein, a longtime friend of Clinton's, emphasized that she doesn't view Obama's nomination as a foregone conclusion. And Feinstein said that if Clinton becomes the nominee she should pick Obama as her running mate."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/05/23/politics/p103357D59.DTL&tsp=1

"California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a staunch supporter of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, says that if Sen. Barack Obama becomes the Democratic nominee he should pick Clinton as his running mate.

Feinstein, a longtime friend of Clinton's, emphasized that she doesn't view Obama's nomination as a foregone conclusion. And Feinstein said that if Clinton becomes the nominee she should pick Obama as her running mate."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/05/23/politics/p103357D5

OVER FOR OBAMA

FOR

*Gee*, would that be sourced as in the link you provided that says "anonymous"

. CNN doesn't have anyone on the record. Just anonymous sourcing.

*Gee*, would that be sourced as in the link you provided that says "anonymous"

." CNN doesn't have anyone on the record. Just anonymous sourcing."

Just made another donation to Senator Obama !!

Why, you ask........??

For the same reason most of you did, and will ! AND....to show that we dont need HRC fundraisers, AT ALL !!!!

YES....WE......CAN !!!!!!!

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Does anyone else get the feeling that the stories are true that Obama has already reject the idea of Clinton as his VP nominee?

I think that after Indiana Hillary's folks made a back-channel offer and Obama politely renounced them. The current fight isn't about Hillary winning the nomination but her trying to get herself the VP slot.

Luckily, Obama and his team have shown over the past 17 months that they play the long game better than anyone else in politics right now.

Ultimately, the only way he picks her as VP is if his internal polling show it is impossible to win the White House with out her. And considering the way the Survery-USA polls are shaping up, that doesn't seem to be the case at all.

Anyway, Hillary is in it to win it. Lots of things can happen in a race. For instance, she says, Bobby Kennedy was assassinated.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232008/news/nationalnews/why_hill_wont_drop_out__bobby_kennedy_wa_112232.htm

Senator Clinton:

"I would look to the camp of my opponent for the source of those stories,..."

Hillary Clinton has told so many lies so many times, why do I get so mad when she does it again?

I guess that, for me, if just one person either believes or rationalizes her lies, then that's one person too many.

Between this veep business and her RFK comment today, it seems that Hillary is in "a cry for help" mode.

Can I give you guys a lesson in Politics 101? If I've got something I want to float out there so I can spin it positively or negatively, I prepare the spin, the guys who will say what I want, and then I phone the reporter, give him the "scoop" and tell him to phone Joe if he wants the real story. Joe answers, says what I want, and it's page one! So it's most likely that Hillary's being truthful.

If there are talks going on, they'd have to be canceled. If they're not going on but that might change, they won't happen now. People will be "observed" meeting with this man or that, the way that Obama was "seen" having lunch with Bloomberg one day. But instead of just reporting the blank facts, the press, and the disappointing fanboy TPM, will be all over it with negative anti-Clinton spin.

Don't worry. In 10 years, HBO will make a movie about it, and we'll know the facts. Oh, but wait a minute! That's not a reporter's business. A reporter is a person who works for a candidate undercover, as opposed to Linda Douglass, who worked for Obama for months as a "reporter," if you know what I mean, nudge, nudge.

Thank goodness, JohnAH, that you are around to help your fellow Obamatons to understand what the previous poster meant. You are a godsend. Oh, there is no god. Nevermind.

OMG, your fool just said his name means "blessed". Yikes. Even god thinks he should win? Too bad there isn't a god.

Holy shit. Everyone see that Cindy McCain photo on the front page. Jesus fucking christ that woman is scary looking.

Late Update: It should be pointed out that the CNN story actually is explicitly sourced to people in Clinton's inner circle. What's more, Hillary's top finance chair today pushed the idea of her as veep.

Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire.

She SHOULD stay in the race, because OBAMA COULD get killed. But he won't because Michelle will shove one of her kids in front of him to catch the bullet. You hypocrites. YOU've said unbelievably disgusting things here. When SHE draws a reasonable historical comparison, you PRETEND to shit your pants. We know. You'll be wearing them again tomorrow, if indeed you even take them off tonight.

HuffPo has a thread with the segment where she makes the RFK reference. Her campaign team is already chastising people for seeing anything sinister in her reference to the assassination.

I have just consulted Dr. Freud on this and he was silent for a while, and finally, he said, "Hillary, Hillary, Hillary," and just shook his head.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/23/clinton-kennedy-assassina_n_103319.html

She really is a Monster.
Probably looking to hire a Sirhan Sirhan

Somebody shut her up

Thank you, on2them, someone finally brings up what I thought was the most important part of the Argus Leader interview, her touting of the genius of Karl Rove. Had she not made the RFK outburst, this instead would have been the big headline today: HILLARY TO DEMOCRATS: I WILL WIN, TRUST KARL ROVE

Hey, here's a way for little ol'e TPM make some instant news. Just quote what I said above (remember to leave out the part about your filthy underwear), and send it to MSNBC, c/o Chris Matthews. Wanna bet how fast it would show up right before our eyes (cause, of course, your noses are right up his butt, correct?

BTW, don't the one or two bright ones among you regret that C Matthews is on your side? God he is a disgrace.

Why Hillary should not be VP:

From "Head of State"

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/head-of-state-reasons-that-hillary.html

Friday, May 23, 2008

Head of State: The Reasons That Hillary Should Not Be Vice President

Regarding Hillary Clinton as Barack Obama's running mate:

Originally, this seemed to be a potentially plausible choice--and if presented in the following way, could turn her divisive campaign into a potential coup as a VP candidate. The thinking was the following:

Hillary has run a divisive campaign. Now, just as the nation should mend its divisions in favor a greater unity that would serve the greater needs of our country, so now they would explicitly put these divisions behind them, in the interests of the unity that this nation, after a bitter and divisive Administration, is so in need of. This would serve as a powerful and vibrant example of the very ability to unify that Obama both offers and represents.

However, this would require a candidate that was willing to take such a position of relative shared selflessness in the interests of a greater good. While the Vice Presidency certainly offers its honors (now far beyond the "warm pitcher" of John Vance Garner's famous phrase) and positioning for later Presidential aspirations, such a plan would require the ability to think in terms of a shared effort based on the betterment of the nation, rather than in more grasping, combative and singular terms.

The Clinton camp's behavior over this past week has made such a positive scenario clearly untenable, showcasing the same characteristics that have signified her campaign throughout its long, chaotic march--its contradictions of previous statements when such changes have a slight possibility of adding a week or two of vitality, its sudden and implausible use of populist guises and specious historical parallels for transparently opportunistic purposes, its near-hallucinogenic transmogrifications of personality and central bases for further continuation,
and the central campaign tendency to place personal attainment over virtually all values that lay in its path.

These characteristics--self over nation, positioning over a consistent presentation of position, values and even self, the willingness to put personal viability over the need to transcend and transform the vast wreckage of state and international relations that remains at this critical time--are as present now, at a moment when wisdom rather than a remorseless, obdurate desperation could fill this gap, as they have been throughout much of the campaign. They would continue to make themselves present during a Clinton campaign for vice president, complicating, diminishing and often distracting from, in trivial internecine battles, the message of unity and change.

Perhaps Clinton could adopt a more unifying, integrated and less grasping position on the VP subject. However, thus far, the actions of the Clinton camp have made it clear: It's time to clean the slate. Hillary Clinton should not be the Vice Presidential candidate.

Cite:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/head-of-state-reasons-that-hillary.html

What a train wreck. GO AWAAAAAAAY already!

This morning i read a story that mentioned obama being assassinated and hillary stepping in...

this is the quote
Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.), a vice chair of the Democratic Leadership Council, said, "I'll encourage [Obama] to ask, and if he does, for her to say yes."

He added, "She would be a good president if something ever were to happen to him. She'll deliver a heck of a lot of women in a lot of states."

at the time i thought it was senseless and tastless, but figured

"well i guess as president you have to figure that someone wants to kill you so of course you would want your VP to be someoen who coudl take over for you....

LOL

now this disgusting comment by her

lol i think i have uncovered a plot!

full article here
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232008/news/nationalnews/groundswell_of_calls_for_o_hill_union_112117.htm

The HuffPo thread on Hillary's RFK bomb is blowing up. 500 comments, 1,400 pending. They may have to shut down comments.

Here's the surprise. Almost no posts defending her remarks. A few saying no big deal.

Someone upstairs said her reference to Rovian strategy was the more noteworthy than her RFK remarks but I disagree. This goes to character, and character is the most important ingredient we need in a president.