There is a fascinating post up on Salon that deals with the Michigan delegate debacle. It's in Walter Shapiro's piece - Hillary enters death-with-dignity phase.

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Remain respectful of Senator Clinton, but do not fall for this

The Clintons aren't giving this up. They're just not. So remain respectful of Senator Clinton, but remain wary (especially with respect to Florida and Michigan) of any moves they might make.

Don't let anyone fool you. The public's awareness and diligence on this has had an effect. The deal to pay off Senator Clinton's debts fell through, almost exclusively because Obama supporters raised a fuss as they should have on the internet about doing this.

You just have to be wary. Obama offered to compromise with her on Michigan 69-59 to her advantage. Do you know what her counter-proposal was? She gets ALL of the votes in Michigan. Even the uncommitted. She wants the scoredcard to read 128-0 for her in terms of delegates and literally 330,000 to 0 in terms of Michigan's popular vote. That's beyond ridiculous it's insulting and she knows untrue.

Continue to praise her (as she deserves on this front) for running a tough campaign. But don't fall for the "it's all over" strategy. It's over whenever (and again no one's trying to push her) Senator Clinton, like every other candidate on the earth has had to do at some point, finally concedes.

-- libertyson Sunday, May 11, 2008 07:12 PM

* Noam Scheiber reports that Obama campaign insiders are dead set against the idea of retiring Hillary's campaign debt

Damn straight. If this were a debt of a few hundred thousand, fine, but she has racked up a truly massive tab (most of which was spent attacking him). It would severely dampen his own campaign's finances for no good reason. Not his fault her campaign mismanaged funds or that she dipped into her own personal fortune. Does anyone doubt Bill could erase whatever financial loss they've suffered within a few months of business deals and "doing what he loves best - speaking to people"?

Greg - congratulations, your prediction of the number of Hillary supporters warming to the idea of Hillary as VP increasing with the likelihood of Obama's nomination has absolutely come true.

"Bill Clinton recently pressed West Virginia voters to give Hillary 80% there, and introducing Hillary at an event in Logan, WV, my colleague Ken Vogel writes, State Senate majority leader Harry Truman Chafin raised the stakes further:

“You think this crowd’s noisy. Just wait til we win like 80-20," he said. “We’ve got to give her a vote tomorrow of 80-20 or 90-10. Let’s get the national media’s attention."

The problem here for Hillary is that superdelegates have shown themselves unlikely to back her in response to an argument based, in part, on voters' bigotry -- even if that, clearly one fact among many in play in West Virginia, is a real obstacle to his winning the White House."

It is over after all Americans vote, their votes count and the supers give it away to the one term Senator and his kool aid.

The rest is bs.

About the sparing between Obama and McCain about what constitutes real support for our veterans, Obama has his work cut out for him. McCain has a long Senate record. Obama is the junior senator from Illinois who voted "present" hundreds of times. McCain fought and was a prisoner of war in Viet Nam. Obama didn't serve. When asked in the MSNBC debate to describe the hardest thing he had to deal with in his life Obama said it was being raised by a single mother. He's going to have to do better than that.

McCain v Obama = its about freaking time!

Otto is a Trojan Horse Troll. He has a long history of posting as a Racist Scumbag, Aryan Nation Troll(ANT) That is why he is now talking up McCain.

The dynamic that has Obamites opposed to him using "their" money to help repay some of Clinton's loans is revealing. First, they have no concept of how politics is actually played out behind the scene. Secondly, they think that their contributions mean they own him.

Politics as usual? The Obama contributors believe they own the candidate. That goes one level beyond the concept of contributions equaling influence and access. They think they own him.

Obama is so small as to yield to the pettiness of his cult. Obamites are bent on division and retribution.

Obama the Divider.

Clinton is still the best choice.