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Former DNC Chairman And Super-Delegate Joe Andrew Defects From Clinton To Obama

Hillary Clinton has lost a super-delegate this morning in a defection over to Barack Obama, Joe Andrew of Indiana. And just to make it look worse for her, Andrew is a super-delegate by virtue of his service as DNC chairman during Bill's administration, but is now calling for the party to unite behind Obama.

"While I was hopeful that a long, contested primary season would invigorate our party, the polls show that the tone and temperature of the race is now hurting us," Andrew wrote in an open letter.

"John McCain, without doing much of anything, is now competitive against both of our remaining candidates. We are doing his work for him and distracting Americans from the issues that really affect all of our lives."


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Okay, sorry Eric, I just blasted you in another post for not mentioning this story...(feels sheepish)

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Chris, maybe he posted this because of your complaint - it's a pattern here to ignore Obama's superdelegate pickups unless there is a corresponding Hillary one. Just the way it is ... we're fighting battles on many different fronts, my friend!

Anyway, Eric, thanks for posting this. It is pretty significant and hopefully will encourage other supers to get behind Obama as well. And what a slap in the face to the Clintons. Unfortunately (and I do mean unfortunately because it didn't have to be this way), it really is what they deserve after the horrible campaign she's run and the lowball tactics she's used to try and tear Obama down.

Bosh.

Has it ever occurred to some of you bias-shouters (on both sides) that TPM is basically just a tiny handful of guys trying to sift through about a hundred different stories a day and figure out which ones are important enough to blog and post? And that maybe that's why they don't always get to things in the order you'd prefer?

At a certain point, you've got to work on what you're working on and if you stop to work on the next thing just because it may be a little bigger, you'll never get anything done.

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I agree for the most part. I think that Clinton's team has been doing a better job of engaging the press including our blogger friends here. So the result is that Eric & Greg get every pro-Hillary scoop directly from the Clinton camp without having to dig for it. I also believe that Clinton is supplying journalists with the "negative" adds from Obama with the hopes that they will use her Spin on the attacks in their reporting; which many do including our good friends here.

So TPM could do a little better at finding this info pro actively and not use the campaigns to feed them this info; but the Obama campaign has to do a better job of controlling the news cycles than they have been.

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THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS etc....

Wow. This is pretty devastating for Clinton. This is not someone finally jumping off the fence. This is someone changing sides, despite the fact that the Clinns have pretty well said anyone who does this is dead to them. Wow again. I would love the back story behind this. Just how dirty are the Clintons playing? Does anyone have any background on this?

I have no background, but I have to agree that this is a huge deal, especially considering the crucifixion Bill Richardson got for just endorsing Obama. To switch sides shows a lot of thought went into the decision because I'm sure Joe is dead to the Clintons now, and it's only a matter of time before Carville jumps in.

This could finally be the beginning of the end...

Just how dirty are the Clintons playing? Does anyone have any background on this?

Just wait till James "Judas" Carville wakes up.

This is clearly one of the most salient campaign stories of the day (perhaps premature since this is the morning, after all). This is a defection, which is a story in and of itself, but it's by someone in a critical primary state (Indiana) AND by someone who actually has political loyalty to the Clinton's. This a trifecta all in one little superdelegate package.

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Just announced on CNN. Maybe they're paying attention after all.

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Even with the John Olsen endorsement (yet another unelected DNC official), Hillary's superdelegate lead has decreased yet again.

None of the morning shows are mentioning it, what a surprise.

It was on Morning Joe.

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CNN just did.

Holy shit. The CNN Political Ticker comment section makes us look like High Tea at the Four Seasons.

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"And just to make it look worse for her"

I'm sure that's why he did it, Eric. But could you give us all a freaking break anyway?

Is it Benedict Arnold or are we still in the Judas time of year?

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B.A.'s "traitor day" anniversary isn't until September.

We're well past the Ides of March, too.

But it is May Day, so maybe there's a Marxist analogy out there?

And just to make it look worse for her

Making it worse for her / fixed. There you go Eric.

That's gonna leave a mark.

+1 for Obama
+0 for Hillary

What's the deficit now? 18?

No, this guy had been in Clinton's column. This is +1 for Obama, -1 for Clinton.

Didn't she just pick-up one from Conn.? The head of the AFL-CIO there or something like that?

Ah, perhaps that is what hyperRevue meant. I suppose in that case it would be +1 for Obama, 0 for Clinton.

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Actually, it's +1 for Obama, -1 for Hillary. Andrew jumped ship.

Hillary got Connecticut DNC member and state AFL-CIO head John Olsen. So she's at a net zero.

The Page is also reporting that he's picking up 3 other supers (all from Illinois) today as well.

Don't you mean "+1 Obama, -1 Hillary"?

It's actually +4, +0 now.

I hope that Richmond and all of the other folks who have been solemnly intoning to us over the past few days that when the supers see how damaged he is, they will leave his column and come to Clinton's are paying attention. How is that plan working out for you?

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What's the plural form of Judas?

On the heels of Sullivan, and Richardson, and Reich...James Carville's gonna have to update his trash-talking metaphors. Or combine them.

Et tu, Andrew?

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Clinton supporters. With an "s".

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Judae?

Here's hope that this is just one of many coming to the realization that this ongoing race must end immediately for the good of the party.

"Don't you mean "+1 Obama, -1 Hillary"?"


Yep. A defection is the best case for Obama: He gains one, she loses one, narrows the gap by two!

Yoohoo!

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I'm confused, according to gottalife and the other GOP trolls that lurk at TPM we are voting for Rev. Wright now, not Obama.

Shouldn't this superdelegate have switched from Hillary to Rev. Wright?

snark

Just to demonstrate that this wasn't all about process and broader concerns about the campaign, Andrew also had comments explaining what he prefers about Obama:

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Andrew said the Obama campaign never asked him to switch his support, but he decided to do so after watching Obama's handling of two issues in recent days. He said Obama took the principled stand in opposing a summer gas tax holiday that both Clinton and McCain supported, even though it would have been easier politically to back it. And he said he was impressed with Obama's handling of the controversy surrounding his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

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"He has shown such mettle under fire," Andrew said in the interview. "The Jeremiah Wright controversy just reconfirmed for me, just as the gas tax controversy confirmed for me, that he is the right candidate for our party."

Wait. Does this mean Joe Andrew went from counting to not counting?

Obama picks up 3 more Illinois superdelegates: Daley, Currie and Stroger.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/05/obama_picks_up_3_more_illinois.html

Are these guys already counted or they fresh ?

I believe those three are to become IL's add-on superdelegates. They will be added to Obama's total when they are officially named.

The "as" ending is already plural. First declension accusative.

Used in a sentance, as the direct object of a transitive verb:

Carville will tear apart all of the new Judas.

(ducking as actual Latin experts prepare to tear this apart)

Let me be the first to blog that Joe Andrew is a scumbag.

Carol Soprano of course complains that TMP is a Clinton blog for pointing this out. "it's a pattern here to ignore Obama's superdelegate pickups unless there is a corresponding Hillary one. Just the way it is ... we're fighting battles on many different fronts, my friend!"
When did this turn into a Clinton Blog? I guess TMP changing to a Clinton Blog is pretty significant and hopefully will encourage other Blogs to get behing Clinton as well. Silly me I thought TMP was still for Oilbama.
Carol Soprano sounds like one of the ones cheering when Obama media shill Randi Rhoades called Hillary a F*cking Wh*re in this "uplifting" Obama campaign.

So...bitter...

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Andrew just did what Hillary said the supers are supposed to do, right?

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"Let me be the first to blog that Joe Andrew is a scumbag."

Congratulations on being first. Come November, when Obama defeats McCain, I'll be looking for your "Americans are scumbags" post.

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It's TPM, dummy. Not Talking Memo Points.

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Viewing this situation from a zoom lens perspective of sorts, it sure does look as though we are in a watershed moment politically. The dividing line: those who want to hold onto old alignments and continue an established [McCain or Clinton-led] leadership power structure and those who are willing to re-evaluate what changes are needed and are willing to help develop a new [Obama-led] power structure.

As I have watched so many forces at work to tear down Barack Obama, that increases my belief that the Clinton campaign is part and parcel of an insider power structure in Washington maintained by collusion between the parties.
Remember the exposure recently that let us see that the media's so called 'military analysts' were actually directly connected to a Pentagon's pr program? I am wondering to what extent the corporate media's pundits might be directly connected into and serving a status quo power structure's pr program.

Just as it was true that those 'military analysts' fed the public a line to counter the public's prevalent view of the war, it seems possible that the pundits are willing to feed the public a line ['guilt by association'] that is supposed to counter the real election issues important to the public.

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Joe Andrew is on CNN, making his pitch. He says he's "inspired by Barack Obama" and that Obama has "shown the mettle" to be a great president. He says he's not opposed to Clinton--just inspired by Obama.

He says Obama is "doing what is right for the country--not just what's right for his candidacy."

"I can't wake up in the morning and look my kids in the eye and tell them that for the price of half a tank of gas, I'm going to trade away a real energy policy."

He says he hasn't spoken with the Clintons or the Obama campaign.

I bet Bill is piiiiiisssed....Maybe he'll lash out at the media today.

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That'd be nice. Bill's red-faced, finger-pointing tirades are always so uplifting.

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eh, Wright exemplifies several key AA attributes:

1. dignitude: an excessive concern with one's own dignity and an aggressive approach to defending it

2. confusion of use of big words with intelligence, throwing out long winded verbiage, hoping people will think you're smart

3. paranoia mixed with utter complete fucking ignorance, leading to crazy apeshit theories about how the world works

4. a tendency towards wild gesticulation, flapping of arms, grunting and shrieking


Reminds me of Mumia. By the way, has he been fried yet? I have a bottle of champagne in the fridge with his name on it : )

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Isn't there some nice KKK or ANP site you could be posting on? People with brains really aren't all that interested in your horseshit.

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Given that Ludmilla's posted this same post in a whole bunch of different threads on this site, she's probably also posted them on those other sites.

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Well, I just hope he/she/it hasn't neglected Stormfront, because they love this sort of shit.

Ludmila, you left out watermelon and fried chicken in your post. Try to keep up.

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Yeah, they do be likin' them some of dat fried chicken.

folks, there are 9 contests remaining (6 after may 6th) and 1 month left in this race.

super ds can announce, de-announce, re-announce, cross, criss-cross, whatever!

it doesn't matter.

this campaign is going through june 3rd and come that time, super ds (who's announcements on either side are non-consequential and non-fixed until they actually get to the convention and get to formally cast their vote), will have to confront several inescapable facts:

1. hillary, without even including florida and michigan, will be ahead of obama in popular vote.

2. obama will still be dealing with jeremiah wright issue, perhaps other as yet unknown issues, and been consistently losing blue-collar reagan democrat voters, catholic voters and white female voters.

3. hillary will come into june 3rd on a huge winning streak, be ahead in national polls against obama, and be ahead in national polls against mccain by larger margins than obama.

super ds in that environment will absolutely be free to vote or announce for obama, but against that backdrop, such a vote or announcement is a clear communication to the broader democratic electorate that the super ds prioritize interest group politics over party victory in the fall.

...and that's a decision and communication the party makes at its own peril.

Do you also give out lottery numbers?

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"hillary, without even including florida and michigan, will be ahead of obama in popular vote."

No. She won't. The only way she can now claim she's ahead in the popular vote is by disenfranchising the voters in Iowa, Nevada, Washington and Maine.

"obama will still be dealing with jeremiah wright issue, perhaps other as yet unknown issues, and been consistently losing blue-collar reagan democrat voters, catholic voters and white female voters."

And Hillary will merely be a known liar with destructively high negative numbers.

"hillary will come into june 3rd on a huge winning streak, be ahead in national polls against obama, and be ahead in national polls against mccain by larger margins than obama."

And Obama will be ahead in delegates won, which is the ONLY number that matters.

Give it up. The pantsuit lady lost.

the super ds prioritize interest group politics over party victory in the fall.

LOL, typical Rovian tactic of accusing the opponent of exactly what you are doing.

What the heck. I would prefer Obama, but I really want a democrat. If Clinton really can achieve that glowingly rosey scenario which you paint, there would be good reason to think that she is the stronger candidate, and if she were the stronger candidate then I would want her as our nominee. In other words, I will be happy however things turn out.

That said, I find your claim a touch implausible. She will likely win KY and WV, but lose OR. She will likely win PR but lose SD and MT. In other words, she will not be finishing on a grand winning streak - both will end the season in a sort of tit-for-tat stalemate and to the extent that anyone will have the "momentum" Obama will be the one who's victories will be last on the calendar.

Clinton, meanwhile, is totally off the media radar right now because Obama is the presumptive nominee. If Clinton were once again to appear likely to take the nomination, the right wing noise machine would turn its fire back on her and she would, all of a sudden, have all of the same negative media cycle problems against which Obama is presently struggling. In other words, if you think that the felicitous specatcle of Obama struggling and Clinton coasting will hold up until August, you are as much as admitting that Clinton will still be trailing far behind Obama. If at any point she ceases to be trailing, the whole media picture will rearrange itself much more to her detriment.

Meanwhile, the popular vote is going to become a very muddy metric once the voting ends. Right now it is up in the air, so Clinton is able to maintain a plausible stance that she could win it. Once the totals are in, however, you will quickly see pitches being made on each side calculated according to formulae contrived to be favorable to each side's perspective. The end result in most peoples' minds will be that "the popular vote" makes no sense and decides nothing. Each sides voters will become particularly incensed about the "dishonesty" of the other sides tally and the emerging schism will grow ever more bitter. The supers know this and want nothing more urgently than to avoid such an outcome, so it strikes me as rather far fetched that they will allow even an ounce of uncertainty about their settled positions to emerge in the news coverage.

Your scenario, in other words, has rather more than a few very far-fetched elements to it.

Andrews had some strong words for the Clintons:

"My endorsement of Senator Obama will not be welcome news to my friends and family at the Clinton campaign. If the campaign's surrogates called Governor Bill Richardson, a respected former member of President Clinton's cabinet, a "Judas" for endorsing Senator Obama, we can all imagine how they will treat somebody like me. They are the best practitioners of the old politics, so they will no doubt call me a traitor, an opportunist and a hypocrite. I will be branded as disloyal, power-hungry, but most importantly, they will use the exact words that Republicans used to attack me when I was defending President Clinton.

When they use the same attacks made on me when I was defending them, they prove the callow hypocrisy of the old politics first perfected by Republicans. I am an expert on this because these were the exact tools that I mastered as a campaign volunteer, a campaign manager, a State Party Chair and the National Chair of our Party. I learned the lessons of the tough, right-wing Republicans all too well. I can speak with authority on how to spar with everyone from Lee Atwater to Karl Rove. I understand that, while wrong and pernicious, shallow victory can be achieved through division by semantics and obfuscation. Like many, I succumbed to the addiction of old politics because they are so easy"

Yowsa. He is really burning every last fiber of that bridge. He must be really confident of an Obama victory. I admire his courage.

He probably is confident of an Obama victory, and justifiably so.

But it would also be nice to see political people stick their necks out once in a while on principle -- one of our great problems, as Bush took this country in an authoritarian and lawless direction was how few people were willing to call him out, threaten to resign, etc. . . . Christie Whitman (on carbon dioxide flip-flop) and Colin Powell (Iraq) are two prominent examples of people who knew enough that they should have resigned. Unlikely many places, showing some courage would not have required risking prison, or death, or having one's family killed.

Loyalty becomes a vice when the beneficiary is doing wrong.

Wow. This is huge.
This won't be a big deal publicly like Bill R's endorsement but anyone who follows Dem politics knows this will have a big impact on the group that matters most now - Super Ds.

I love Hillary's Judas' and Benedict Arnold's. It is a double hit.

1st: he's not the 1st cross-over super d, and to my recollection, the "judas" condemnation (which was leveled by james carville and not the "campaign") was reserved for, and limited to, governor richardson and because of promises he made to NOT PUBLICLY ENDORSE OBAMA if he found himself unable or unwilling to endorse hillary.

2nd: the tone suggest that this cat had a personal falling out with the clinton campaign that precipitated his switch, and not vice-versa as his highly-staged and scripted statement would suggest.

3rd: nothing he or any other super d does between now and june 3rd matters, on either side, because the conclusion of this race has already been set in motion and scripted and not by the party and not by super ds and not by the campaigns.

it's been set in motion and scripted by the voters.

voters have indicated overwhelmingly that they want this vigorous contest to include the say of every state in the nation. this sentiment is particularly high, of course, in the 9 states remaining to hold primaries or caucuses. those votes are going to take place, and no "hokus-pokus" of super d announcements or obama-campaign efforts to run darth vader jedi-mind tricks on the electorate -- "voters, thank you for your participation and enthusiasm, but your votes are no longer needed...this campaign has been decided by the super ds and is now over...thank you" -- none of that junk is going to stop this train called DEMOCRACY that has long since left the station and is going full steam ahead to june 3rd.

so blog away, track super d announcements all the day long, do whatever gets you through the day.

fact of the matter is that all any of us need to be tracking is the election calendar and the vote tallies that come in from the remaining 9 states.

that final popular vote tally and june 3rd national polls are going to decide this race if dems indeed want to win in november.

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"it's been set in motion and scripted by the voters."

Well, you're right about one thing.

bdiddy, you are clearly self-delusional. Certainly over the next month we'll all pay attention to the results of the remaining contests. There is no way that Sen. Clinton can gain enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination for herself. So it is highly likely that the nomination will come down to the choice of the superdelegates.

The Andrew defection is thus clearly a bit of bad news for Clinton. You can pretend that it isn't, wildly gesticulating and pointing at every conceivable metric ("total popular vote", national polls) other than the one (delegate votes) that is actually used to determine the nominee. But it looks to the rest of the world like a refusal to accept a difficult reality.

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"he's not the 1st cross-over super d"

True. And how many of those have crossed over to Hillary?

hrebendorf:

riddle me this: how can a democratic process of vote gathering and counting called "caucusing" result in possible disenfrachisement of voters?

here's how: because it's not democratic.

a democratic process would actually endeavor to track and assure 1 man 1 vote, and to actually retain records that certify and ratify the actual amounts of votes cast for any one candidate, no?

if it's ok to argue that florida and michigan PRIMARIES don't count because those states "broke the rules," then should seemingly be equally ok to argue that not counting a popular vote that a state fails to count itself is legitimate.

no one's stripping them of their pledged delegates for the convention or nomination.

this is another metric called "popular vote" and, oddly enough, as its name would suggest, it only aggregates totals from states that maintain "popular vote tallies."

don't worry, you still have your religion of "obama" and pledged delegates to "cling to" to rationalize your intransigence to logic.

wink.

Fair enough. If you think that the supers (including the substantial number of them from caucus states) will be swayed by that argument then I hope that your candidate would make that sort of a pitch to the supers. I, for one, would be pleased as punch to see the Clinton campaign take that approach.

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At least you're consistent. The rules don't matter if they prescribe a caucus system, and the rules don't matter if they prescribe when you can hold your primary.

Andrew's points in his full letter are great "closing arguments" to the party. I think this will have an affect on the remaining undecided superdelegates. And from someone that was just in the HRC camp to boot. I hope Indiana and North Carolina are listening.

Actually, Eric, why no link to the full letter?

dancingbear: the consistency is that i'm not trying to compare apples to oranges as you and your compadres are.

pledged delegates based on results from state primary and caucus results and delegate apportionment rules is 1 metric. obama leading in that metric at present.

popular vote tally based on recorded and certified votes casts for one candidate or another in state primaries and caucuses is a totally separate and distinct metric. if a state doesn't keep such a record it can't, by definition, be included in the popular vote tally. obama leading in that metric at present (not including michigan or florida) by his own oft repeated words, but will not be leading in this metric come june 3rd.

it's ok to consider the metric legitimate now when obama can include it as part of his 3 prong argument -- "i lead in pledged delegates, i lead in states won, and i lead in popular vote" -- but not ok to consider the metric legitimate on june 3rd when hillary will be leading in the metric (again, not even including michigan or florida)?

i implore you to be logically and ethically consistent in your argument.

Yes, bdiddy, there are various "metrics", including pledged delegates, states won, and popular vote. All of those may be considered by the superdelegates, along with considerations of electability and party unity. Under the rules superdelegates can consider anything they want, including Body Mass Index, the wind chill factor, and their horoscope.

None of those metrics has any intrinsic significance, except insofar as they persuade superdelegates, one way or the other.

In the end, the only metric that "meters" is total delegates (pledged + super). The Andrew defection -- the topic of this thread, remember? -- is a net +2 to Obama by that metric. Just like John Lewis. If you can convince yourself that really "This is good news... FOR HILLARY!!", well, bully for you, I guess.

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I don't really care how you compute things, because (1) Obama will be winning in all those metrics at the end, and (2) the superdels aren't buying Hillary's computations.

Please point to anything I've said that's logically or ethically inconsistent.


And another one bites the dust...

Texas superdelegate John Patrick endorsed Barack Obama today.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGCSTQ

don is seattle and dancinbear:

my only contention is that there is not going to be any announcement of super ds between now and may 6th sufficient to allow either candidate to say, "hey, i'm now over the top!"

and that's all the hillary camp is looking for.

as a hillary supporter, all i'm looking for is super delegates to make their assessment after all the votes have been casts and tallied.

i believe (although i acknowledge, i could be wrong), that it's going to be very difficult for super delegates to support the candidate who's (1) behind in national polls, (2) behind in head-to-head polls, and (3) behind in popular vote come june 3rd.

if they do, they do. i just think that if they do, dems lose in november.

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my only contention is that there is not going to be any announcement of super ds between now and may 6th sufficient to allow either candidate to say, "hey, i'm now over the top!"

Don't hurt your back hauling those goalposts around.

"My only contention is that there is not going to be any announcement of super ds between now and May 6th sufficient to allow either candidate to say, 'Hey, I'm now over the top!' And that's all the Hillary camp is looking for."

May 6th? Did you really say May 6th?? So Obama could net, say, 150-200 new superdelegate supporters THIS WEEK, to Hillary's none, and still the Hillary camp would be happy? If you really mean that, then the Hillary camp is surprisingly easily satisfied.

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