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Edwards Will Endorse Obama Today

Obama spokesperson Tommy Vietor confirms that Edwards will indeed endorse Obama today.

Edwards couldn't have picked a safer time to endorse -- he did it after it became obvious that the nomination was largely a foregone conclusion. And he did it after Obama lost big in West Virginia, among just the sort of voters Edwards is supposed to have sway among.

While it's true that his endorsement could make a difference in Kentucky, the fact that he waited this long -- and did it after dropping repeated public hints that he would stay neutral -- suggests that this was less than a profile in courage on Edwards' part.

Late Update: On the other hand, if the Obama campaign held this to roll out after the West Virginia loss, which seems probable, the timing in some ways was shrewd.

Late Update: Tracy Russo, the online suprema of the Edwards campaign (when it was in existence), weighs in with a few thoughts on the Edwards announcement, notably asking whether Edwards will end up campaigning for Obama between now and the end of the race. Take a look.

Late Update: The New York Times reports that Edwards had another reason for waiting so long before endorsing Obama: According to his aides, he was expecting Hillary to win, and wanted a position in the administration...

And he had another consideration: how to position himself for a job in the next president's administration. As Mr. Edwards saw it, aides said, Mrs. Clinton seemed to be more likely than Mr. Obama to win the nomination.

Edwards appeared to change his mind after Feb. 5th and Obama's subsequent victories, the paper reports, so this doesn't fully explain why Edwards waited until now.

Late Update: Here's the uncharacteristically lackluster and terse statement on Edwards' endorsement from Hillary campaign chair Terry McAuliffe:

"We respect John Edwards, but as the voters of West Virginia showed last night, this thing is far from over."

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How courageous to do so at this stage, John Edwards.

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To be fair, you have to think Obama had this in the back pocket to roll-out after his defeat in WV

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There's no way this wasn't in Obama's back pocket. He knew WV would be a blow-out, and what better way to counter Hillary's talking points (memo)?

Edwards has been behaving all week like the kid who could hardly keep the surprise party a secret. Well, it's party time.

Yep, Obama seems to have a strategic reserve of endorsements to roll out at the right time (Richardson in the middle of the Wright fiasco). The timing may have been Obama's more than Edwards'. Today even further neutralizes WV.

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Right, that's a likely possibility. Anyways, Edward's was most competitive in the Appalachians region so this is particularly appropriate.

Another loser just endorsed Obama!
The guy who tried to run as a Howard Dean progressive, except he had nothing but a conservative, play-it-safe senate record.

The guy who spent a solid year in Iowa before the caucus, doing nothing more than campaigning for himself as a champion of the poor.
Iowans thought he was a lunatic.

(Edwards might have spent a little time DOING something for the poor instead of spending four years on running for president.)

At last, he finally ran down to Georgia to help Jimmy Carter’s housing for the poor project. Good to see Edwards finally doing something for the people his heart is always bleeding for.

I’m sure it’s not calculated.

I’m sure he’s not endorsing for Obama knowing that he will lose his ass in the GE, so Edwards can run again.

Nah. Edwards doesn’t think like that.

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"Present"

The idea Edwards would endorse Obama in the hope he loses so he can run again...

Lay off the lead paint chips.

The timing is helpful. It signals the race truly is over. If indeed he lacked the courage to make a call, today's nod signals the inevitable. It's a good example for SDs who are waiting for yet another big name to make an endorsement a safe bet, especially those in the region. Could this help the WV SDs come out, e.g.?

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As recently as May 5 the Edwards gave an interview to People (of all places!) stating that they weren't going to endorse...

I wonder what happened?! Why the change of heart?!

And, does anybody know what this means in terms of Edward's pledge delegates?

Do they go to Obama now? (I endorse that idea, by the way...)

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The rationale was that the Edwards were split with Elizabeth supporting Hillary because she's a woman, and John supporting Obama on reform. It made them both look kinda indecisive and triangulating.

John's endorsement matters, not Elizabeth's. He's free to consult her, but this isn't a committee. The whole point of an executive, by comparison with a committee, is decisiveness.

Glad John has finally come around, and the timing after WV is good in some ways. Hopefully his remaining following sees the light. Still, it looks a little ridiculous, now, after most of his support has already broken for Obama and after John recently contradicted himself.

This is imo another example of why I didn't support him. I always liked his message, but never trusted his judgment and competence beyond rhetoric.

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I see. Thanks.

Heheheh. When I heard just a few minutes ago, I said, "And the sky will open up, and ..."

I shouldn't make fun. I'm just one of those who couldn't understand why he didn't endorse sooner -- either one. Edwards is a good guy. I think he'd make a good, principled Attorney General. That spot needs someone with principles.

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"I think he'd make a good, principled Attorney General. That spot needs someone with principles."

Understatement of the Year (or Decade)!

The poor Hillary campaign -- everyone in the world knows that Edwards is jumping on the bandwagon only after it's completely safe. But Hillary & Co. can't say that; it contradicts their vehement claims that Hillary has a chance to win. They have to tread Edwards' endorsement as a choice between two viable candidates.

It will be interesting to see if a Hillary surrogate slips and accuses Edwards of opportunism. Accusing Edwards of opportunism is an implicit admission that Hillary can't win.

This is probably going to confuse the hell out of the hardworking Americans who are supposed to be allergic to Senator Obama.

I expect more than a few heads are exploding throughout the Appalachin(sp) Mountain region....

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But what about all their political capital, that they were saving for other causes?

Does this mean Obama has 33 percent of the West Virginia vote?

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I still think it would have been funnier if the surprise endorsement was Bill Clinton.

That endorsement will come soon too.

THIS

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EXCELLENT

NEWS

FOR

HILLARY!!!!!!

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EXCELLENT

NEWS

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HILLARY!!!!111!!

FOR

GOTALIFE!!!

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Heh.

IS

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GREAT

EXCELLENT

NEWS

IS

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Y'all sound like a parrot suffering from a language disorder....(not just you, GMAN....the "Idiotic" (tm) wave got all choked up...)

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ROFLMAO

THIS!!

It's going to be in my hometown, Grand Rapids, Michigan.

Shall I alert the media? Oh, wait, it was the media that alerted you,

Nice, HRC's FL delegate lead just went from 50%/33% to 50%/47%. K, I'm ready to seat Florida now.

Me too!

Good on Edwards.

I think that is right. It will be interesting to see how this impacts Kentucky....

NEWS

NEWS!

I don't care how John Edwards got here, I'm just glad he got here. This endorsement keeps me happy!

I totally agree. This is great news, in spite of my quip.

Way to go, John. Place your bet on a horse six lengths ahead and inches from the finish line.

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See? Sarcasm isn't lost on blogs....

You and your Memory - yeesh ;)

Come on.

No one has done more for John Edwards than Barack Obama.

Attorny General John Edwards. Lots of work to do on the criminal administration that has usurped executive power for 8 yrs and kept too much hidden.

I think this endorsement was timed perfectly, because if it had been before West Virginia, the pundits would be saying, "Even with the John Edwards endorsement, Barack Obama still lost West Virginia by 40 points."

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True, and if it had been before NC they would have said Obama only won because of Edwards...

Agreed. This really is a safe period for the endorsement, though the Kentucky primary will be viewed through the lens of the endorsement I think. Especially if Edwards goes down there to stump for Obama at all.

You're probably right about Kentucky, but it will have a very short shelf-life. As soon as the Oregon results come in the story will be that BO has the majority of the pledged delegates (and rightly so).

Agreed. Both the timing (just after WV) and the locale (much maligned Michigan) have the classic Obama's deft touch.

Aikido indeed.

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Yes, but it would have been even better if he waited until after November - then the media would....

Ahh, forget it.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!!

HILLMENTUM(TM)

BOOM!

Seriously, I think JE long since lost his leverage here, this is a tik mark on the charts, but I'm glad he did it if only to alleviate the whole Appalachian thing...now if we only got Gore on board...

Note, this could be the beginning of the Supers finally taking their task of holding the party together seriously...

Yeah. Did Obama just lock this down? Isn't Edwards kinda irrelevant at this point? If he was leaning this way, why not announce at a meaningful moment, like pre-PA, or even Ohio/Texas, when such an announcement would have had a greater chance of impacting the race. Or was this exactly what he was reluctant to do, to play kingmaker?

So the Clintons courted the hell out of Bill Richardson, and John Edwards, and could not convince either of them.

It sure says a lot about what a weak negotiator Hillary would be on the World stage.

Well, except for in the Middle East. We all know that all those Arab and Iranian Leaders are a pushover for Women Leaders. Look at how Karen Hughes(The Muslim Whisperer) and Condi Rice got all those guys to eat out of their hands.

"The Muslim Whisperer!" That is CLASSIC!

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If it's not a profile in courage (which I agree is isn't), then why is Edwards doing this? What does he gain out this act?

(Not to be cynical or anything, but somehow, I don't see politicians doing anything unless they get something in return....What's the prize for Edwards?)

Nada. Just standing in the winner circle is enough. At least he doesn't have to backpedal away from a foiled HRC endorsement.

He gets to be in the news and look important.

He gets to look like a uniting figure in the Dem party.

He might be angling in for the VP job....

Does Obama get his delegates now? What about that Jet ski??

I have never thought much of JRE, and think less of him for not comitting to one of the candidates when it actually mattered. It doesn't take a whole lot of guts to endorse the presumptive nominee. (Just as it doesn't take a lot of candor to be an ersatz "advocate for the poor" while living in an 18,000 sq ft. mansion.)

I think Obama probably didn't want to announce the endorsement before WV because it would have had ZERO impact. Now, WV is but a distant memory and May 20th, already designated by the Obama campaign as a decisive day, becomes all the MORE decisive.

If Clinton harbored any thought that this thing wasn't over, she's probably let it go tonight.

McCain we are coming for you.

This kinda has the feel of something thrown together at the last second, so I hardly think this was a "keep it in my back pocket" deal. My guess is that with all of the inane "Can Obama win white working class votes?" talk, Edwards decided to step in and give Omaba some credibility on that front and change the headlines.

According to the Field, someone on Fox indicated that the trip had been planned for a week.

ABC (or Fox?) reported this has been in works for about a week now.

Edwards has 19 delegates he can release and recommend they go for Obama. The final nail would be him saying he's talked to them all and they will go for Obama.

His magic number ot clinch pledged delegates would be less than 10.

I agree with das2003. Obama knew he would get shellacked in West Virginia and an Edwards endorsement, regardless of its effectiveness, will aid in diverting attention away from Clinton's resounding win. Whether you like it or not, Edwards has pull with white working class voters.

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I have to agree with you - I think Obama waited to roll out this endorsement to blunt the WV shellacking - next week's Kentucky loss won't be as bad (media-wise) because or Oregon, so I think this is perfect timing, especially if he can say that Edwards' delegates are going to switch. Shrewd move, if you ask me! ;)

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Out of the field of 8 of the Democrats running for President, Obama now has the endorsement of 3 of them. Gravel is now a Libertarian and still batshit insane, so 3 out of 5 Democrats who ran for president isn't bad. I don't expect Kucinich to endorse either and wouldn't be surprised if Biden endorsed Clinton.

Neither Gravel nor Edwards is a SD. Kucinich is, and he'll declare for Obama after June 3. The only alternative would be for Kucinich to withhold his vote at the convention, which seems unlikely. Biden will come out for Obama, too. Just a matter of when at this point... ;-)

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I aware of the SD status of these people, but I wasn't referring to that. It's just astounding to me that 3 former rivals have endorsed Obama, while none of have endorsed Clinton.

I believe Kucinich is planning to endorse the candidate from the Extraterrestrial Party.

Yeah, although I agree that the reason he waited is probably because he (at least initially - I can't see him being behind her Iran schpiel) liked Clinton's foreign policy a little better.

I thought Kucinich endorsed Obama already?

Thrilled to have John Edward's endorsement right now.

I think it comes at a terrific time.

Better late than never.

The endorsement is more symbolic than useful in getting votes, IMHO.

However, it is one more thing that makes the Clinton argument less and less likely to stick.

W00T! to the nth power...

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hee!

Does this mean Taylor Marsh's head will explode tonight?

Coupled with NARAL endorsement, I suspect she'll be a natural blonde by morning!

LOL.

And will it be web-cast?

No, her head won't explode.

She's got an exoskeleton.

But her mandibles will be clacking away.

Oh man! The nut-job pro-Hillary sites like hillaryis44.org are going NUTS over this. Nothing but hate-filled screams of "Judas!" and more. Hilarious!

A loser endorsing the kool aid.

Yawn.


Exactly Gotalife - let's quit this post ONCE AND FOR ALL! We can share the life you've got TOGETHER!

Reminder: I am #1 fan and will shadow your every post until the universe collapses or until your posts disappear.

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You make my day. Seriously.

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mine too.

dare I ask what the hell that gravatar is?

I believe it is a highly organized -- if not artistic -- pile of shit.

I think it's a Christmas tree made of crap flavored Kool Aid packets.

rofl. That's all. Just rofl.

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Now all we need is GoatLife with a "Meheheheheh" and life will be complete around here! 8-)

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I knew I was missing someone!

Gotalifefan has taken the baton and is merrily smacking gotalife upside the head with it.

Meheheheh.

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Gotaloser making another post.

Yawn.

Gotalife - have you ever noticed that when I post under you - it looks like you're dousing my giant pile of bullshit with your cool aid?

Thanks for explaining that it's a pile of shit!

That's a beautiful image. It's like art in motion.

You're an inspiration to us all.

OBAMA/EDWARDS???? Oh Yeah!!!!!

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But honestly - why would Edwards want to accept number 2 again?

I can't see it.

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How 'bout Attorney General?

The Buckeye fan up above suggested it.

I can't see Veep again.

Someone in an earlier thread mentioned that amid other things that Clinton was possibly holding out for, one was an AG job for Lanny Davis.

I almost smashed my monitor.

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I'm moving to Canada if Lanny Davis ever becomes Attorney General.

Maybe, maybe not. I heard that Obama was getting a huge endorsement as a left work and kind of figured it had to be Edwards. Who's left? Gore, I suppose. At any rate Edwards has as much if not more swing with "working class voters" (I hate even typing that phrase let alone say it for whatever reason) than any one in the Clinton camp. There isn't any rule that says you can't run for Vice President for two different candidates. I would hope for a better debate performance this time though.

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Actually that works. I rather like that idea.

I actually like the timing. If he couldn't get it before OH/TX, then I like getting it now. The first tier of "neutral Party elders" gives a nod. Next come Pelosi, Reid, Carter, then Gore?

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I'm sorry, but this just becomes funnier with each endorsement or primary loss:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc

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You know what sux? This video is not available in Germany. Good thing I watched it (and laughed) a few days ago when I was on vacation in a neighboring country.

Nail by nail the coffin is almost complete.

Does the John Edwards' endorsement mean that Obama gets to count Edwards' pledged and super delegates now? Or do those delegates get counted at the convention when Edwards throws his formal support to Obama?

If they formally move now, that would be great news. If they move at the convention it's still good news but we'll have to wait to enjoy them.

It's at the discretion of those individual delegates, I'd imagine. As I said in the other thread, most were probably breaking for Obama anyway but this should nudge some of the more reluctant ones into switching as well. Could see some sort of a aftershock in the next couple days of former Edwards people endorsing Obama (again, assuming they haven't already done so).

Any thoughts on how this endorsement might affect Hillary's claim to the Michigan delegate count?

It seems to me that this move will force Hillary's hand toward accepting the 69-59 split. Edwards, coupled with Obama, represent the bulk of the 59 "uncommitted" delegate apportionment. Dodd and Richardson--who, like Obama, removed their names from the Michigan ballot--have already endorsed Obama. I imagine Biden may soon.

Will both Biden and Kucinich have to endorse Obama to secure this split? Is Michigan closer to being settled, or does this endorsement apply not at all to this argument?

Just wondering.

Biden said in an interview for MSNBC that he didn't want to endorse yet because he didn't want people to look at it from the perspective of angling for a cabinet position (Shame ;_;), but I'm not sure how truthful he was being.

Expect Gore's endorsement to arrive the day after Oregon. Hillary will have no choice but to ...CONTINUE THE RACE! SHE'LL STILL HAVE A CHANCE!

Obama/Biden '08

W00T!

I guess Edwards was sayingwas saying "him" and not "em" . . . .

Here's a classic quote from ABC's online coverage of this story:

". . . a dramatic attempt by the Obama campaign to answer concerns regarding Obama's appeal to working-class voters . . ."

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR:

MI/FL/DEMS/YOU/ME/USA/WORLD etc

I guess by virtue that includes HC too...

Perfect timing. What was looking like the last bright day of news for the HRC campaign has gone suddenly dark. Good night!

"In some ways"?

Come on Greg, seriously. Even you have to give it up here. Why are you so reluctant to give the Obama camp the kind of credit that you toss out to Hillary and her peeps all the time. The timing was shrewd. WV was a loss, but if he shows an improvement in Kentucky, that's the narrative moving forward.

Honestly, just admit it. Obama has simply out stratigized Clinton from start to finish. Give him his props.

Yeah! Props to Obama - give it up!

The Obamajet with Edwards is on final approach to Gerald Ford International Airport in Grand Rapids...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N55AR

This is insane.

...That is creepy.

SWEET! What a way to rock Michigan!

Obamalamadingdong!

Enough of the bitter snarky comments -- Edwards rocks. Though he's a bit slow, his endorsement is a biggie.

What time? Where? Isn't it late in the (literal) day to being doing this? What about the news cycle? Or is this aimed for a morning splash?

This is truly political courage, John Edwards. Endorsing the candidate once the race is truly over shows a paucity of cojones on JRE's part.

After he toed the DLC line while serving as US Senator from my great state, could not even make NC any closer in '04 than it was in '00 and then, styled himself into some kind of populist firebrand, JRE had to wait until Obama has for all intents and purposes wrapped the nomination up before making an endorsement.

He obviously wants a cabinet post (probably, Attorney General, but more likely he'll get one of the less important ones like HHS or Labor), but BHO would be foolish to try to put him on the ticket after his '04 performance as JFK's backup act.

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I must be feeling sentimental: I actually believe that it's because of his wife. I have a feeling she asked him not to do it if he could avoid it because she was backing Hillary and she may have told him she wanted to see a woman president before she died.

Or maybe Hillary offered her something = that's the cynical me.

I think you're right - that it has/had something to do with his wife. It'll be interesting to see if she's with him in MI.

As they've done with superdelegates whose support they have, they are going to slowly roll out the endorsements of party leaders and dignitaries, so as not to make seem as though people are ganging up on Hillary.

NY Times: Grand Rapid, MI, rally tonight, in time for the news and to override the WV stories. Good timing!

I'm happy. This reinforces the fact that Obama will be the Democratic nominee for president. Since that's the outcome I want, I'm more in a mood to celebrate it than harp on Edwards' timing and lack of courage. He's still doing the right thing. And all is good with the world, as far as I'm concerned.

Since Monty Python seems to be in vogue today (dead parrot), I'll throw out another: "Always look on the bright side of life..."

is the tide now turning for Obama?

ha ha

As one who started the primary season with Edwards as my top pick, only later to be swayed by the Obamalator (after Edwards departed the game) - this makes me quite happy!

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Why do people, in advance of something like this, assume they have any insight whatsoever about Edwards' endorsement, why now, etc...? An adult approach might be to simply wait and see what is said by someone like say... Edwards before concluding in absolute ignorance anything one way or the other.

The level of childish pettiness on these threads seems to have no bounds.

I would wager that you will see many, many prominent Democrats publicly announcing their support for Obama for the next couple of months. That is what happens when someone wraps up the nomination and it doesn't have to mean anything beyond what the endorser says it means.

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What you are doing here, then?


It's a conversation - and what's more, you know that. This is the topic.

Don't like it? Don't participate.

Love your Eye of Horus. But why such a killjoy comment? Childish pettiness - tsk, tsk! Some might call it healthy exuberance! No need to take others to task for their non-destructive enthusiasms, eh?

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Ouch. What a buzzkill.

Apon hearing the news tha Edwards endorsed Obama Hillary said:

"You Freakin People, you have know idea how to run a Country, I'm getting on my plane and going back to my base,.......................................................................................................................................................West Virginia"

Ok...where's lisb...she would get the Joke....lol...Its a movie get it?

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Edwards brings with him 19 pledged and whatever Supers he has left.

Or, in other words, a WV blowout.

Edwards bring nothing except his own vote. Those pledge delegates who voted for Edwards (26 not 19) DON NOT have to vote the way Edwards votes.

That doesn't give him 26 votes you nimnuts.

Yeah baby!!!!!

MyDD's proclamation's that John Edwards has jumped the shark coming in 3...2...1.......

Clinton's argument will be:

Kerry didn't win the Edwards in 2004, so by that logic, Obama can't win the general election vs. McCain.

*with Edwards

Where's Dandy Don when you need him?

Turn out the lights,
The party's over....

Put yourself in his shoes. He has a wife with incurable cancer who is for Hillary. He has been for Obama, but perhaps out of respect for Elizabeth he held off until now. Perhaps Elizabeth relented a bit when it became not just painfully clear but excruciatingly clear that Hillary would lose.

You'll note that they are not making a joint endorsement. Previous to now they had made public most of their big decisions together. Kind of surprising, unless this is the scenario.

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Honestly - that's exactly what I think and I give him all kinds of props for holding off.

I do think he didn't want to disappoint Elizabeth and I get that and I appreciate it so very much.

Here's my problem with that argument for those of us who believe severly that Hillary is flawed ethics wise that is. What is that we seen, that Elizabeth didnt see?...I like Elizabeth too. I just dont think thats what it is. She has never said she is for Hillary....

Over 40 points? Even I thought Oilbama would get to within 30 points of Hillary. GW would still get as many votes as Oilbama. I guess this shows how few votes Oilbama would have gotten in Michigan, no wonder he chickened out and pulled himself off the ballot. Edwards is a trial lawyer so he fits right in with the Oilbama campaign.
Good luck in the general election if Oilbama manages to disenfranchise Florida and Michigan and steal the election, it is going to be a historic defeat for your. People in West Virginia were voting against Oilbama as much as they voted for Hillary, the great Oilbama campaign is clearly the most devisive in History.

Remember Obamabots Hillary is still in the race, it is not to late to threaten her life or call her a F*cking Wh*re, there is still a chance to drive more Hillary supporters away. What a bunch of scumbags you Obamabots are, it is a shame that you need help to win the general election and you have been so slimy that few Clinton supporters will be able to vote with you.

Pot, meet kettle.

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"Oilbama"


O, I wonder who "blank" is?

My, what a mystery.

Feeling bitter much? Please take some time for reflection before spewing such bile.

Did you lose your way to Hillaryis44 or myDD ?

"GW would still get as many votes as Oilbama. I guess this shows how few votes Oilbama would have gotten in Michigan.."

..with ever misguided Obama "nickname" you can almost hear the heart pounding gutlessness.

"no wonder he chickened out and pulled himself off the ballot."

Psst, asshat - they all agreed that it wouldn't count. Try to keep up.

"..the great Oilbama campaign is clearly the most devisive in History."

This is almost as laughable as your very existence.

"Remember Obamabots Hillary is still in the race, it is not to late to threaten her life or call her a F*cking Wh*re, there is still a chance to drive more Hillary supporters away."

Shut the fuck up jackass.

Well I couldn't help but notice that Hillary had the help of a popular former President, and that wasn't even enough to win the nomination!

Eugene Robinson on MSNBC just now:

"I think that sound you just heard is the door slamming shut on the Hillary campaign."

ahhhhh....no, the dude is late! He did what good politicians do, this was all planned. Im glad he endorsed, but still a little upset with him, sure that will fade over time.

Get ready to hear Edwards talk up Hillary tonight Too.

yes, he will say nice things about Hillary. And he should. He will be the first to help build the bridge.
But Hillary needs to step down so can start to unify the party.

Of course, Hillary being Hillary, she'll stay in the race and continue to point out all the reasons why she believes Obama can't win--thus helping McCain.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR HAMAS!!!!

(Or is that an overstatement?)

According to his aides, he was expecting Hillary to win, and wanted a position in the administration...

Hah! Well, this answers CT Voter's question above. That said, one can hardly blame Sen Edwards for thinking this. Most of us (including most of us Obama supporters) expected Sen Clinton to win for a long time. I was as surprised as anyone else when the tide started to turn our way. I guess that Sen Edwards was slower to catch on than most of us, but one can hardly fault him for that. I am well acquainted with the difficulty one encounters in realizing that Obama is going to be the nominee.

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IF you go to The Caucus, the full piece indicates that this thinking that Clintonw was going to win was before Feb. 5th.

Hey, you've had a startling day, haven't you?

Naral, me, and now Edwards!

I have had a startling day.

Yeah, but while I was unsure I was donating to Obama and making phone calls for him.

While Edwards was unsure, he was leaking unflattering accounts of his reluctance to the press.

Not covering himself with glory.


All the veepstakes predictions leave out Edwards as a possible running mate. Has he totally ruled that out? Or is it the common wisdom that the Edwards VP ship sailed, or capsized, in 2004? By all accounts NC will be a lot closer in 08 than in 04 and he really could make the difference of a percentage point or two there. Ditto with the lunch bucket crowd in PA and OH.

If you think about it, they would be a pretty good team. Edwards can play a pretty good bulldog.

That's always been my hope. Not much apparent support for the idea though (yet?).

Hillary campaign saying this isn't as big as West Virginia... and that they are leading the popular vote.

LOLOLOL

Hillary who?

They're starting to sound like they don't believe in their own talking points anymore.

Yammer, yammer, yammer, yammer...

Background noise.

Your Late Late Update is a bit misleading. You need to add the paragraph the immediately follows:

That was before the nominating contests on February 5, however, when Mr. Obama came out virtually tied with Mrs. Clinton; and the subsequent primaries and caucuses that Mr. Obama won decisively, giving him a significant advantage over Mrs. Clinton in the delegate count.

I'd like to see Edwards as Attorney General. Then I'd like to see him prosecute BushCo for war crimes, treason, malfeasance, corruption, vote-rigging, and RICO conspiracy. Just for starters.

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YES!!! I've been thinking the same thought for months now. He'd be a great AG.

On another line of thought... if Obama wants to appease the Clintons, maybe he could offer Bill the job of US Ambassador to the UN. Just a thought.

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Edwards said he voted for who (him) he was going to endorse over a week ago. There is an element of theater - the Obama campaign has continuously controlled Super-delegate roll-out for the last several weeks.

NYT is full of crap on this one.

Edwards was hoping for a bigger win in W.Va. to give him more leverage/clout and more pledged delegates to bargain with.

He wasn't thinking about Hillary or Obama...
He was thinking about himself.

So big deal! What good is that endorsement to obama NOW? He waited until Obama was embarrased big time in W.Va. which they knew all along he would be. Maybe that too was why he waited. To try to blunt the blow out there.

Well it won't.

The entire world saw that BLOW OUT You big faker!

Hillary creamed you obama! and if you're the nominee, MCCAIN WILL CREAM YOU!!!!!!!!

HA!!

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"Edwards was hoping for a bigger win in W.Va. to give him more leverage/clout and more pledged delegates to bargain with."

LOL!!!

You really are clueless, aren't you? Edwards didn't get, and wouldn't get any more delegates. You clearly know nothing about the Democratic primary process and your statement has no basis in reality (which is nothing new of course - just more obvious this time around).

Now, you may continue yammering.

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And let's be clear - could Edwards have possibly received delegates? Yes. But he would NEVER have reached that threshold as a ghost candidate. He got 7% which is pretty big. But, even if he did 15% which would've been amazing, what would he get, two, amybe three delegates? Wow - that's some bargaining chips there ol' Rae. BFD.

The RaeKKK Creature is off of it's Meds again.

OBAMA WANTS TO DOUBLE OUR CAPITAL GAINS TAXES

from 15% to 28 % !!

McCain will keep them where they are.

If Hillary isn't the nominee, VOTE McCain! He'll keep taxes low.

Obama will be RAISING EVERYTHING!!

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Except your i.q.

what an ugly little fucker you are!

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Yes, and you're an obnoxious moron. And one day I'll grow up to be a beautiful swan. But you'll be an obnoxious moron for the rest of your life.

You handled that with grace and class.

Good for you.

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Coming from you, that is a compliment.

You raise a great question, troll! Why should unearned income (what you call "capital gains") be taxed less than earned income?

And as for "our capital gains" you must realize that most of "us" don't enjoy "capital gains." I glad you do, and I know you'll be willing to pay your fair share of taxes, at the same rate as those of us who actually work for our income.

Judging by the lateness of Edwards endorsement, some SD defections to Obama and the lateness of so many SDs endorsing Obama it is easy to conclude that the leaders and stewards of the party really expected and in many cases preferred Clinton.

That Obama has succeeded to this point is a testament to his handlers, not the candidate himself. This will become more obvious in the next weeks and months.

Judging by the lateness of Edwards endorsement, some SD defections to Obama and the lateness of so many SDs endorsing Obama it is easy to conclude that the leaders and stewards of the party really expected and in many cases preferred Clinton.

Huh? It seems to me that the lateness of the SD endorsement suggest that they preferred Obama. Clinton had a wide lead in supers early on because everyone expected her to be the nominee. There was no price (so one might have thought) for endorsing her because she was a sure thing. By contrast, endorsing Obama early on was taking a big risk because Clinton might hold such an endorsement against the endorser when she took the nomination. The fact, then, that so many endorsed no one at all suggests that many of them wanted to endorse someone other than Clinton (not necessarily Obama, but not Clinton) but were afraid to do so. They have trickled off the sidelines as it became progressively more clear that Clinton would not win, and thus there would be no retribution for endorsing as their hearts had desired all along.

??? There is no evidence that anyone "preferred" HRC. That is pure conjecture. I don't doubt that some SDs thought HRC would win -- she did, after all, have every conceivable advantage in the race: party support, support of Bill, $100 million in the bank, $10 million war chest at the starting line, massive name recognition, white skin, etc. Smart money, ex ante, would be on HRC. But there is no evidence anyone preferred HRC. Most SD's hate and fear her. But they aren't going to endorse Obama, if they think it is likely she would win.

Crediting Obama's handlers is similarly moronic. If he merely had good handlers, HRC should have mopped the floor with him.

Exactly fufu2 - I think you'd agree with me that the Obama tidal wave is just another example of why this country is total crap. I invite you to join Gotalife and I in retiring from this post FOREVER.

I've just chatted with my friend FOGUFAN - who would LOVE to meet you.

Why did he change handlers? I hope not, they're doing great!

And I agree - Obama has shifted the power structure of the democrats in a most unexpected way. I'll bet many folks were BANKING on a Clinton win - so of course they preferred it.

America is better off as a result.

That's alchemy talk!

Yes, it has nothing to do with Obama -- it's just the genius of his "handlers." Which he picked.

Please keep us posted on how your next six months go, as you begin to glean a clue about the new politics.

Of course the timing was planned, and masterfully so. In addition to stoppiing the effect of Hillary's big win in its tracks, a futile endorsement on the eve of WV would have only lessened the impact of Edwards choice going forward, while also giving the Clintons the opportunity to bash and belittle Edwards as an Obama surrogate ("even Edwards' endorsement couldn't save him; guess John wasn't that popular after all").

Instead, they share the stage in Michigan, home of the phantom primary, the day after Edwards got 7% as a ghost candidate in Appalachia, Hillary's home turf. Poetic, that.

The Clintons have been outmaneuvered every step of the way this season. Team Obama's mastery of the game is really something to behold.

67 to 28.
Yeah. The Clintons were outmaneuvered.

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I agree. Pretty amazing campaign and management all the way around.

What gets me is how it mirrors the candidate - it's been rather more smooth than not; more even-tempered. More considered and very well thought-out in advance.

I think the Clintons were trying to do things the way they did them when they - all of the Clinton people - were 20 years younger. On the cuff, on Bill's instincts. It wasn't meant to work twice, and no one Hillary and Bill's ages should ever think they can perform the same way 20 years later.

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It says something about Obama's ability to pick good people and we've sure had 8 years of finding out what happens when you can't.

If it were planned, it save his ass.(Edwards).....Plus they win the news cycle tonight.

Excellent news for Hillary! Now she can think about what to do after politics.

This is the final touch.

Your the real deal Tunederwood!

Unlike Hillary, and McCain, Oilbama voted for Dick Cheney's Energy Bill. It is the worst bill in our nations history and was crafted by oil company executives in secret meetings. Oilbama is firmly in the pocket of the same scumbags that brought you GW.

Why would he vote with Dick Cheney? It is not because there are Oil refineries, Oil workers, or Oil fields in Chicago. He did not vote for his constituants. He selfishly voted for Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill so he could get in tight with the Big Oil money. Hence Oilbama.

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But he didn't support the war for oil, hence the fly in your petroleum jelly.

It is the worst bill in our nations history

Nothing like a jolt of hyperbole to "make" an argument, eh?

The bill was going to pass with or without Obama's vote (it ultimately passed 74 - 26). Obama knew that, but made sure it contained substantial provisions promoting renewable resources and energy savings.

Admittedly, the bill contained bad stuff as well as good, but without Obama's efforts, a substantially worse version probably would have passed.

Edwards now endorses Obama?

Duh....

M

How brave of him!

They're up on CNN and MSNBC right now.

Freakin' rockstars!

are you real or only a caricature?

What a wuss.

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On the other hand, if the Obama campaign held this to roll out after the West Virginia loss, which seems probable, the timing in some ways was shrewd.

What I don't get was why he didn't endorse before NC. That would have been shrewd. (Well, shrewd would have been endorsing immediately after he conceded, but it's all relative.)

You know there must have been have been a ton of backroom politics going on.

Yes, it would have been nice if he did this earlier, but then again...
after Hillary's win in West Virginia, this gives the news back to Obama. Plus, it should give the supers more reason to side with Obama. So, actually the timing is turns out be very good!

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Post-WV is probably better than pre-WV, but pre-NC would have been even better. Or how about pre-PA? Back when everyone was trashing Obama for elitism. I think it's unlikely that the Obama campaign would have waited until after NC had Edwards endorsed before then. I think that the most plausible explanation is that Edwards was afraid to gamble and waited until it was obvious that Obama would win.

Sources indicate that Edwards thought that Hillary still had a shot at winning, and I think he wanted to make sure he was on the winning team. No very bold, but Obama and Edwards are dominating the news cycle tonight, not West Virginia.

Pre-NC would have been a waste of the endorsement. It would not have appreciably improved the magnitude of Barack's win here and would have diminished its impact because the MSM would have been fixated on how Edwards "saved" Obama in NC rather than how Hillary failed to rack up a significant win in Indiana.

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As it turned out, Obama didn't need Edwards for NC, but it might not have turned out that way. And I think that the Obama campaign has been more concerned with producing votes than spinning the news. Insofar as Edwards would have helped Obama get votes in NC (and IN), I see greater benefit in an earlier endorsement than as a WV distraction.

In retrospect, I'm inclined to agree with you. As you note, it does change the subject from WV to the party coalescing around Obama and the fact that Obama kicked ass in N.C. without Edwards' support makes his victory all the more impressive.

I don't see how. Obama dominated NC without him. Now it actually makes a difference.

Good predicting on the Clinton media decline BTW.

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Thanks. I'm just glad to see the race wind down, though it's always nice to avoid getting egg on one's face.

Obama did quite well in NC without Edwards, but that wasn't a foregone conclusion. I still think they woulda used him if they'd had him.

Hey, Edwards, you're LATE!

What are you angling for?

A cabinet position?

Interior, justice?

Veep?

Forget it you had your chance and you blew it.

Getting back at your wife?

Uh, sorry. That's mean.

What about those $400 dollar haircuts?

Snicker....

After that Five minute opening.

Now this is the Edwards I endorsed for President speaking! Finally!

After that Five minute opening.

Now this is the Edwards I endorsed for President speaking! Finally!

Gotalife...Aren't you too busy raising 20 million dollars that Hill needs to be 10 million in the hole?
Just give me the web site and I'd be more than happy to send $30 to...That's the equivalent of her gas tax bill that never happened and the likely event of my non contribution.
Please gotalife, since you have so much pull, remove the stench of the wench from the campaign!

After first couple of Hillary ckwardness, Edwards is on song.

Annnnnd the spin continues...lol

Anyone hear Buchanon on Hardball play that card he probably has been salivating at the mouth to say the boys are ganging up on Hillary. You knoooooowwwww they just have been waiting to play that in the media.

So hold on my Obama friends...If Hillary wins in Kentucky, then none of it matters.......

Hillary the Pander Bear stars in the longest running daytime soap opera
"The Tide is Turning."

Don't forget the BIG NEWS:

HILLARY WOOPED OBAMA'S SKINNY ASS IN W.VA.

BY OVER 40 POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


Yeah, yay Hillary. If she can only pull of that kind of win in every remaining race . . . oh, wait, she'd still be over a hundred delegates behind. Sorry.

Yes, she did. Please explain why she is further behind today than she was on Sunday.

Why should we be hating on Edwards for coming out late? Maybe he and his wife didn't agree on candidates so he held out until it was essentially over. Or, he genuinly wanted to let the candidates battle it out themselves, then step in at a time when he could help heal the party pre-convention. Both are plausible, and understandable. Now, he could certainly have been merely hedging, but, whatever, better late than never. Lets happily accept the support, give him the benefit of the doubt, and hope he's a vocal advocate in the coming battle against the Repubs.

I'm with you, Spicoli.

Yeah, I would have preferred he'd endorsed Obama earlier. So what? Obama's won and Edwards is with him. And I have a strong sense from reading news reports and blogs that Elizabeth preferred Hillary and his holding back might well have been in the interest of domestic peace.

yes, i don't think John and Elizabeth were on the same page:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/05/john_edwards_nearly_reveals_hi.php

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It's over. It's really really over. It's really and truly and thoroughly over.

And boy would it suck to be Present, Gotalife, Fogu2, Dembillc, etc. You guys do realize it's over now, don't you?

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