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DNC Rules Committee Approves Half-Vote Compromise For Florida

The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee has officially voted, in a unanimous motion, in favor of the compromise measure for the Florida Democratic delegation, seating all pledged delegates and super-delegates at a half-vote each.

The compromise was endorsed by the Obama campaign, and even received the evidently-reluctant support of pro-Clinton members of the committee.

Bottom line: Hillary Clinton will net a +19 edge in pledged delegates for Florida, not enough to significantly change the math. Up next will be the debate on Michigan, which is a much tougher issue to settle.


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Ickes just threw down the gauntlet.

He made an open and clear threat to take it to the credentials committee.

Hillary's Prayer:

"Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the Lord my soul to keep
If I should die before I wake
I pray the Lord my toys to break
SO OTHER KIDS CAN'T USE 'EM!!!

The Prayer of the Selfish Child

very appropriate.

It would be much funnier if it weren't so true. Ickes really seemed like he wants to ruin this for all of us.

Ickes Jr. is an especially pernicious piece of shyte, suffering as he does (along with the Purse-Lipped President) from Prominent Man's Son Syndrome.

Thats just a threat. We know its over and even if she did, the SD's would come out in mass for BO.

ITS OVER!

Harold Ickes is a dick.

Ickes is Icky.

We're making t-shirts.

Time to take out the trailer trash

Ickes just said it. "Clinton reserves the right to take this to the Credentials committee."

She's out to sabotage this election. Period.

The Super Delegates and the party leaders won't let it happen.

The Real Bottom Line - Magic Number = 20


Or so per Chuck Todd

The Clintons have reserved their right to go to hell

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Remember Eight Belles...

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michigan motion passed; it's over.

19-8 on MI. Hard case for the Hillary campaign to make that this should go any further.


Iam so glad Obama told his supporters not to counter protest those idiots. Making everyone in the Democratic party look bad, and very disrespectful.

Now time for trouble in the audience...

Wrap it up Super Delegates.

Dem Con Watch new numbers:

Obama: 2053 (64 needed to win)
Clinton: 1876.5 (240.5 needed to win)

Thanks, Tiger.

Am I doing the math wrong, or did we just go through all that shit for Hillary to gain a net total of 26 delegates? Because we can blow that out of the water by this time next week.

Or is she just using this for an excuse to go all the way to the convention?

Nope, that's it.

Fuck. I bet Obama would have just given her 26 of his delegates if it would have shut her up.

But making up those 26 doesn't matter. All that matters is 64 to the nomination.

Well she wouldn't have been like, "Woot, 26 delegates! Now I lose by a smaller margin! I now endorse Obama now that Michigan and Florida's voices have been heard!" It's been about her enhancing her argument for the convention (or earlier, the superdelegates).

It's never been about the pledged delegates, exactly. It's about closing the delegate gap enough and throwing the popular vote into doubt so they can persuade pledged delegates/superdelegates to overturn the results thus far and hand the nomination to Hillary.

But even Hillary must know that the chances of her getting 240.5 delegates are pretty much nil, especially as compared to Obama's needing only 64 delegates to lock up the nomination now INCLUDING FL & MI. Really all he needs to get her to STFU are something like 20 SDs and the pledged delegates he'll get this Tuesday.

Are there even 240 delegates left?

There are 84 pledged left. How many undeclared SDs?

Actually 24 pledged delegates. But the 6.5 slated for Edwards in Florida should bring it back to 17.5.
It is over for Billary.
Celebrate the end of the Bush-Clinton era.
End of the DLC and the corrupt Clintons

No only 24 but the 6.5 for Edwards should also be subtracted. Funny the Rules Committee packed with her supporters gave her the coup de grace.
The end of the corrupt Clintons
CELEBRATE.

This is just like the judge rulings saying that there is nothing to prevent Terri Schiavo's (Hillary Clinton's campaign's) feeding tube from being removed. Lots of rending of garments and gnashing of teeth, but in the end, her campaign is being put to a long-deserved rest.

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The Rules and Bylaws Committee couldn't have fucked this up worse if they had tried. By honoring the vote split in Florida and monkeying with it in Michigan, their decision isn't even internally consistent...leaving open room for all kinds of challenge. It gives the Hillary-was-persecuted fetishists more than enough fuel to keep chugging along. It gives Hillary herself the basis for a credentials challenge. Does anyone really believe that she won't do it, no matter what the superdelegates and party leaders say? The only consistent thing they could have done was half votes for each delegate in each state, with the delegates split 50-50 because the primaries DID NOT COUNT in either state. By doing what they did, even though Hillary came out way ahead of where she would have in a decision based on logic and not the right of Hillary to make things that don't count count, she'll use it as an excuse to carry it to the convention. EPIC FAIL on the part of the committee.

And even more EPIC FAIL on the part of Harold Ickes, who even though he had a point in that doing crystal ball gazing to determine the intent of Michigan voters is unmitigated bullshit, revealed himself to be nothing more than a massive Clinton tool.

Good points, although I question the idea that anyone didn't know Ickes was an unmitigated Clinton tool. Egads, the man's primary address is up Clinton's ass.

Without the support of the harmed party (Michigan Democratic Party), she has no leg to stand on. Ickes' threat was all show. This thing is over. And the result works for everyone but Clinton.

I don't follow your logic, JennOfArk. The results shouldn't be consistent because the votes in Fla and Mich were very different and distinct. Obama was on the ballot in Fla but not in Mich. Mich had the large uncommitted vote but Fla didn't. The solution for each state had to be unique.

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Of course the results should be consistent. Both states broke the rules, and as a consequence, neither state held a valid primary. This was agreed by all parties prior to the non-valid primaries being held. There's no way to get a "real" result - the kind you would get if all candidates are on the ballot and all candidates are actively campaigning for support in each state - from a "fake" primary. Which is what both of these were advertised as.

The committee fucked up big time by not sticking by that agreement, signed by all, that the results wouldn't count. The only way to make the results not count while still allowing each state delegate participation at the convention is to split the delegates 50-50. Now Hillary can continue whining about being "robbed" of 4 or 5 MI delegates, not that it would help her. There's no basis for the MI decision at all. It's just as bogus to grant all the uncommitted vote to Obama as it is to grant the 55% Hillary "won" in the primary. The issue is, she didn't WIN anything, because it wasn't a binding vote. THAT's the part they screwed up on - not sticking to the agreement that neither primary would count.

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I am totally with you.

I'd like to hear the Committee explain why they changed their minds, what is the rationale behind it?

As far as I am concerned, the only rationale valid here is "the sake of Unity."

I also wonder:

How is the Party going to organize the next Primaries and with what authority?

What a hateful performance by Hillary's people. If this had been widely broadcast we'd really see the damage from her scorched earth campaign. As it is, let's hope this is the last gasp.

At the end Clinton supporters in the audience started shouting:

"McCain! McCain! McCain!"

Such lovely people.

The DNC allowed the Florida gop to win.

Pathetic.

We are taking it to the convention.

Total bs of an election.

Wah, waaaaaah....

I don't buy the whole "gonna take it to the convention" line. If Hillary went through with it she'd be a party pariah along the lines of Joe Lieberman and wouldn't have a chance in 2012 after sabotaging an easy Democratic win. The Clintons may be conniving, manipulative sonsabitches but theyre smart enough to know theyd be taking themselves down as well as the party.

Exactly. If Hillary wants to have any career in Democratic politics after the convention she'll think better of it.

I don't think the party elders or the SDs will let it happen.

Kennedy was welcomed back. Dems tend to be very forgiving folk.

Clinton set this up pretty well for herself, but not for her party or the country. She can now blackmail a VP spot out of Obama. If he doesn't pick her, then she keeps up the whole disenfranchisement BS and tries to torpedo the general election and run in 2012.

Unless she gets her wish of great bodily harm to Obama there's no way she can get the nomination. Yet Ickes indicates that she'll fight it all the way to Denver.

God, I wish I could have all those hours and hours and hours I wasted back in the 90's defending the Clinton's. The worst part for me is all those neanderthals I was arguing with were right about Bill and Hillary all along.

This is worse than when Bush only stole Florida. Because Obama is also STEALING 59 votes from Michigan which HE DID NOT RECEIVE from the voters. It's appropriate that he would resign from his church today since this godless THIEF first coveted his neighbor's delegates and then shamelessly STOLE them.

Hillary Clinton MUST stand up to this fraud and defend sanctity of our democratic principles. As far as I'm concerned, there can be no legitimate nominee of the Democratic Party until the will of voters is honored. You might as well give Obama all the delegates at this point, as far as I'm concerned, because the entire process is a degenerate fraud manipulated by limousine liberals to anoint an illegitimate black king.

Thank you sooooo much for proving my point!

And the winner of the 2008 KKK's Man of the Year Award ... ITS RSTEPHEN EVERYBODY!

So you're taking the position that 100% of the uncommitted Michigan voters really meant to vote for uncommitted and were not Obama voters who had no other box to check on the ballot? Please. Let's be real.

If Obama's name was on the ballot the outcome would have been closer than 69-59. If anyone is hijacking delegates, it's Hillary.

THE TOP 10 LIES ABOUT THE PRIMARIES IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN BEING CIRULATED BY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN:

Lie #1: Hillary went back on her pledge
Truth: Hillary only pledged that she would not campaign in those states before the primary, which she didn't. It was Obama who broke his pledge by advertising in Northern Florida.

Lie #2: Hillary was the only candidate on the ballot in Michigan.
Truth: Mike Gravel, Chris Dodd, and Dennis Kusinich were also on the ballot. The reason that Obama took his name off the ballot is because he was going to lose big to Hillary Clinton, and he wanted to appeal to voters in Iowa and New Hampshire and also to soften the impact of his defeat in Michigan for future primaries.

Lie #3: They were not legal primary elections because they weren't sanctioned by the DNC.
Truth: Both elections were organized by the state legislatures with the approval of both Republican and Democratic state parties. They results were perfectly legal and certified by both states. The only role that the national Democratic party has is in whether to recognize the results at their national party convention.

Lie #4: The primary in Michigan was ruled unconstitutional and it has no effect.
Truth: Edmunds, the ACLU lawyers who won the case and the state's top election manager all agree that the ruling had no practical impact on the 2008 presidential campaign. "Nothing I'm going to say or do" affects the results of the Jan. 15 vote, Edmunds said. "That's the political reality. That election is on the history books, and it doesn't disappear because the law that created it is off the books,"

Lie #5: It’s unfair to count those who voted in those two states because many voters didn’t bother to vote, thinking that their vote wouldn’t count.
Truth: There were scores of issues and candidates for office on the ballots in both Florida and Michigan, and voting is the patriotic duty of every American citizen. The registered voters who failed to show up to vote were not only not voting for a democratic primary candidate, but they were also refusing to do their duty to vote on many other matters of importance in a perfectly legal state election. And so to penalize and take away the votes of those who did their duty for the sake of those too lazy to do theirs, only highlights the complete moral bankruptcy of their position.

LIE #6: Hillary will decide whether the fight over seating Florida and Michigan will continue until the convention.
Truth: Obama has consistently exercised his preference not to give Florida or Michigan any revote or any voice whatsoever in nominating a Democratic candidate, only because he lost those particular elections badly, and he would lose them again. His only interest has been to inflate his popular vote and pledged delegate total in order to perpetuate the myth of his own inevitability. Obama’s selfish ambition and drive for power is/ and will always be the only reason that their fight for representation and democracy must now continue until the convention.

Lie #7: Hillary once said that the election in Michigan wouldn’t count, so she can’t change her mind now.
Truth: It was never up to Hillary whether to count the primary in Michigan. She was making an observation about the decision of the DNC at that particular time, which can always change. But she never agreed to try and disenfranchise the voters of Michigan and Florida. She has consistently held that they must be represented.

Lie #8: It doesn’t make any difference: even if you count Michigan and Florida, Obama is too far ahead.
Truth: If you count Michigan and Florida, Obama is only about 30 votes ahead in total elected pledged delegates. And because Hillary also leads in the popular vote, most of the 796 super delegates should also go to her, since it is the will of the people.

Lie #9: Rules are rules and without them you have chaos.
Truth: The so-called rules are really only provisional rulings by party plutocrats and they change all the time. There has never been a Democratic Party convention that refused to seat a state delegation, and there has never been a Democratic candidate who won by disenfranchising voters. Obama is the only democratic candidate in the 200 year history of the party to flaunt, in a very determined way, the very highest rule of every democracy: that you must count every vote.

Lie #10: The process has been completely fair to Hillary.
Truth: If the shoe were on the other foot, Obama would be screaming racism and bloody murder about the disenfranchisement of millions of voters. But because he is stealing the election from Hillary, and she is a woman, and hers are mostly white voters, she is supposed to shut-up and take it, and never to speak out about the damage being done to our party and to the nation.

cross-post (am SO pissed - but not entirely clear where to post amongst the existing threads):

To my surprise (and no small amount of shame), this political junkie found self veritably glued to the tube throughout the day in order to catch the sausage-making spectacle. Quite reminiscent of The Chad War - and, long before that - the Watergate Hearings.

Must say, however, I was totally repulsed by the behaviour of the Hillary supporters towards the end. Really... do they have any idea just how repugnant their puerile outburst came across to Middle America? I commend the members of the Committee for laboring on with their agenda despite the childish rantings of the 'elect-an-ovarian-candidate'-bots voicing their displeasure with Reality, as heard in the background.

I began this campaign wholly supportive of HRC; I'm ending it entirely disgusted with her. More-so, however, I have slowly grown to truly despise those politicos with which she has surrounded herself - and, to a lesser extent, her uber-sexist, vapid & vituperative supporters. Sad state of affairs that, after all we've been through these past 7+ years, these die-hards refuse to admit defeat & fall in line according to the traditional norms of every other campaign.

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