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Clinton: "Women Are Going To Be Heard" In The Remaining Primaries
Hillary Clinton might be on the ropes, but her remarks at a fundraiser last night show that she still expects one demographic group to come out strong for her in the remaining contests: Women voters.
"Do you know difficult it is for women to stand up and say we are the best at anything?" Clinton said last night at a "Generations of Women for Hillary" fundraiser in Washington. "The Democratic Party has to know that women are the core, women have to be at the table and women are going to be heard as we continue in these contests until they finally end."
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Well you don't speak for this woman, Hillary.
So please knock it off.
I don't have 3 balls; I don't like boilermakers; I don't like war!
You are not my kind of woman.
May 8, 2008 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
ugh, you're disgusting.
May 8, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
If women are truly as smart as I know they are, they will face REALITY and accept that Hillary has lost this race and decided to turn their attention to the man that cares more about their issues then John McCain does --- Barack Obama.
Women aren't going to hang with a LOSER Hillary. Sorry.
May 8, 2008 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
By all means let's hear from women. They are the majority of our party and the electorate. It's just Mrs. Clinton who we want to shut up already.
May 8, 2008 9:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am disappointed at how this campaign has played to demographic groups sticking with their person. I still foolishly think picking a president should be about picking the right person for the job. Alas, HRC continues to play the gender card, and while Obama hasn't made overt appeals for blacks to 'stick with him', it certainly appears that's happening. So much for post-racial, post-gender politics...
May 8, 2008 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't lay this on Obama's doorstep. African Americans are voting for Obama because they think he's electable: they started flocking to him only after he started winning. Clinton wants hard working white people to vote for her. Why? Because Obama isn't doing well with them? Consider that Obama isn't doing well with older voters either. Why isn't she gunning for them as hard as the working white vote?
May 8, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
skdvr369, please don't paint Obama and Hillary Clinton with the same brush here. It is one thing to have identity politics play a role in voters' choices while it is quite another to seek to raise discontent and hard feelings among supporters. There is nothing good that can come out of Hillary Clinton's implication that women's voices have somehow not been heard in this primary season. No one has suppressed women's votes and if they haven't been enough to carry the day for Clinton so it goes. So it is just cynically divisive of her to stand on a stage and give a nod to the idea that women are somehow being cheated. Can you imagine if Obama stood on a stage stirring the pot with black voters in a simlar way? He'd be pilloried from here to Biloxi.
May 8, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Can you imagine if Obama stood on a stage stirring the pot with black voters in a simlar way? He'd be pilloried from here to Biloxi."
Leaving race out of it: What if he stuck to gender and claimed that men are not being heard enough in the numerically feminine Democratic Party? That would be the matching divisiveness with what Hillary is attempting.
May 8, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Economides - I don't really think we women have a lot of trouble getting heard by the Democratic Party. The Republicans don't like us, but the Democrats always have.
We aren't really all that downtrodden, Hill. At least us white women aren't.
May 8, 2008 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Hillary is so concerned about "her coalition" not voting Democratic in November, perhaps she should direct her considerable energies toward getting them to support the nominee.
As it stands, she's basically holding the party hostage, refusing to do what is fully within her power in a vain attempt to win support from DNC superdels. And every minute and dollar of it bleeds us drier.
May 8, 2008 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Note how she is not even mentioning Obama any more. I saw Wolfson on MSNBC this morning. Same diff. They know which way the wind is blowng. They see the shit sandwich they will be ruminating on for the next six months. The delicious Irony is that if they had not been so negative it would not be nearly as big.
May 8, 2008 9:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a woman and she doesn't speak for me.
May 8, 2008 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the problem, Senator Clinton. It is hard for a woman to "to stand up and say we are the best at anything". It is hard for a woman to run for President. These things are true.
But thanks to the shameless gas tax pandering that you've engaged in, this just sounds like another panderfest.
And considering the historic nature of your candidacy, that's pretty damning.
May 8, 2008 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Stand back, i really think my head is about to explode.
May 8, 2008 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok..sounds like a play for the Vice Presidency.
HELL NO!
After the crap she pulled.... I could never support her on the Obama ticket!
May 8, 2008 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I've spammed three threads with this now, last time:
I'll see y'all in a week or so, guys. I'm on my way to Taos to get my house ready for summer; not taking the laptop.
Rock on!
May 8, 2008 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Enjoy.
Taos is nice.
May 8, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have a great time Tena, be sure to pack classic Hip Hop..
May 8, 2008 9:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
The thought of Senator Clinton going from Tuzla Tess to Little Goodie Twoshoes for the duration boggles the mind,,,,,,,,,,,, and churns the stomach. - and no more teary episodes, please.
May 8, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, only Hillary can speak for women. That explains that huge gender gap in Indiana...oops, never mind.
And I'm really sure that self-promotion has been VERY hard on Hillary, demure shrinking violet that she is.
Is it just me, or does anyone else find her "how difficult it is for a woman to stand up" phrasing to despicably reinforce outdated gender stereotypes? I don't find that a positive message for my 3 daughters whatsoever.
May 8, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think there's a bit of a generational divide. Maybe not generational, but definitely an age thing. I'm a woman, 47, and I teach at a university. The women students that I work with are simply more...confident... isn't precisely the word I would use, but it will have to do...than women of my college years.
So the "it's hard for a woman to say she's the best at something" might not apply to today's 20 somethings, but I think it's not completely off the mark for women older than 45?
I see it when reading annual reports of faculty members. Women and men with equivalent accomplishments tend to describe them quite differently. Men are much more likely to trumpet what they've done. Women are more understated.
And yes, these are huge generalizations that I'm making, but that's been my experience. When a new crop of young faculty members comes up, maybe that will change.
May 8, 2008 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
NC, she's just looking to get the grievance feminists all hot and bothered again. She did it the last time she went way south too, she never completely let that thread go. It's too valuable for her not to keep it available for when she needs it most. Like now. Guess you could say it's her lifeline. But as a woman, I find this kind of phoney baloney play on women's sympathies totally offensive.
May 8, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly right. Get ready for another barrage sexism acusations.
May 8, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly right. Get ready for another barrage of sexism acusations.
May 8, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry. I'll get the hang of this one of these days...maybe.
May 8, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ironic from someone with such "testicular fortitude"...
May 8, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
To be perfectly honest, NC, I have never had any trouble with standing up for myself as a woman.
I have a bit of a problem thinking American white women have it so tough.
It's still a man's world, but not so much as it was and I don't feel all that looked down upon because of my gender. I never have.
May 8, 2008 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why does she have to play the gender card every time her back is up against a wall?
Whatever, hopefully women (I'm supposing you are only referring to the older ones who support you) have $20 million laying around so you can start paying off your debts.
May 8, 2008 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ahhh. The old Gender Card. This is really becoming an opera bouffe.
May 8, 2008 9:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
To be honest - I've been sexually harassed since I was 13. And some of it was beyond obnoxious, but I know how to fight that now if it happens, which is unlikely inasmuch as I'm not the right age anymore.
May 8, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course women are going to be heard. Women are a majority of the electorate. And, no doubt, an even higher percentage of the Democratic primary electorate. Though of course it's true that women continue to be underrepresented in positions of power.
On the face of it, there's nothing she said I can disagree with.
Still, if you took that same quote, attributed it to Obama and substituted "African Americans" for "women," can you imagine the flack he would get?
May 8, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yep.
Talk about her taking an opening that was there because he refuses to play this way -
May 8, 2008 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
What does it matter what Clinton says as long as she does not damage Obama?
Let her supporters have time to get through their stages of grief without making it more difficult for them to support their best-interest candidate Obama.
May 8, 2008 9:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree.
I'd like all the talk of "she needs to step down" to just stop. For two reasons. One, it's the decent thing to do. It has to be incredibly difficult to let go of this. Let them grieve for awhile.
Second, all that talk of getting out of the race will just motivate Clinton.
May 8, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, you two should stop being so grown up about this!
May 8, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. But it's hard to imagine her staying in but only attacking McSame. Even if she dials back her critiques a few notches, it will muddle what should be a united Democratic assault on the Republicans and their standard bearer.
May 8, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I really think that the more Hillary plays The Victim, the more of her former supporters and admirers are going to turn away.
May 8, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is not talking about having Women's issues at the table, but a woman at the table.
But her issue of bombing Iran hardly makes any monolithic community based in reason feel comforted. Women should reconsider.
May 8, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I basically agree with this - I think the young women I know have both feet more firmly on the ground than I did and are much more confident.
As for women in their 40s - well, I guess as always that depends on the woman but there is an age gap, I agree.
That's true though for almost every one of our cultural divides - gender, race, sexual orientation. Those things don't figure in very largely to the thinking of my friends in their 20s. And this is one of the best signs out there, IMO.
May 8, 2008 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. They seem so sane and tolerant.
May 8, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with yours and Tena's comments. Hillary's "you-go-girl" coalition largely represents a generational gap within the womens vote...the +45-50 year old female vote.
May 8, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Playing the sex card. Did Obama ever say, or could he ever get away with saying, "African Americans Are Going To Be Heard."
May 8, 2008 9:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm all for a Woman on the ticket this fall.
Go Governor Sebelius!!
May 8, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
She doesn't speak for this woman either.
Her despicableness seems directly proportionate to her desperation.
And what kind of wimps make up the DNC (of which I have been a member all my voting life) that they have allowed this kind of infighting and Rovian politics amongst/against their own for THIS long?!?
And contrary to what's been reported, they're STILL allowing it!
More conquer and divide and all the pundits in the media pick up the Clinton talking points and run with them. Enough of this "blue collar" (white) vote "argument"! This is racism, pure and simple, AND disgusting! Yeah, let's woo the Southern Dixiecrat voters. That's the ticket!
Shame on you, Hillary Clinton!
Shame on you, MSM!
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/clinton-sees-wh.html
May 8, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
According to Senator Clinton, "hardworking Americans" = "white Americans"?
I think maybe I take back my earlier comment about giving her time....
May 8, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, actually Clinton basically said that White People are Going to Be Heard:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clintons_white_Americans.html
May 8, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that's a relief. It's been ages since white people were heard from....
May 8, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. White women, not very educated, over 50, making less than $50,000. There's her demographic as she talks about the people who "need a president".
May 8, 2008 9:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
She not only "basically" says it.
She actually says it --- a FEW times in a matter of seconds:
The Jed report link I posted has the audio:
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/clinton-sees-wh.html
May 8, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe she could get David Duke to be her running mate...
I mean, if he got his supporters out, it could potentially scare blacks away from the polls, right?!
May 8, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now she needs to complete the sale by talking about "states rights"...
May 8, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
What is so wrong about Clinton's remarks is that the rules of the democratic party have for very many years required absolute parity amongst women and men within the party structure, at both the state and national level, and convention delegations.
May 8, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
The problem is, I don't think she supports me as a woman. I have an advanced degree but chose to stay home with my kids for 10 years before going back to work. To her, that's "baking cookies and having teas," right?
I try not to be snarky on here, but this comment of hers hit close to home. And now she's representing all women? Not me. She's not what I aspire to, and I don't think I am the kind of woman she'd have anything to do with in the real world.
I agree more with Obama's values than hers. I think a lot of women who look past the basic fact that Hillary is a female find that they have more in common with Barack Obama.
May 8, 2008 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Some things women do really well:
• recognizing wars that shouldn't be fought by our children or anyone else's.
• figuring out that neither oil dependency nor climate change will be helped by a gas tax pander.
• understanding that exploiting racial divides for political gain damages our country and every family in it.
• working out whose gorgeous pantsuit wardrobe cost more than the average American household earns in a year.
May 8, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well the past weeks all we've been hearing about are Hillary having balls. Do these women we're going to be hearing from have 3 balls? Does that make them weak?
May 8, 2008 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary should tread carefully over the next few weeks, or she does nothing but damage Obama for the general. She might dial back the direct attacks on Obama, but her new focus already seems to be on the demographics of the race, and Obama's "electability". Focusing on these divisions (white, black, rich, poor) is just another way of saying Obama is "elitist", or is just plain scary to the mythic white working class voter. This type of shit may be more damaging than direct attacks, becuase it just plays up the divisions in the Democratic party, that MUST be healed before November. This is why you see Feinstein and others asking her just wehre the hell she thinks she goes from here.
I am so sick of identity politics, I could scream. Of course women will be heard, Hillary, they are a majority of the Dem. electorate. Does this mean they should voter for you because you're a woman? Or because Barack doesn't understand women's issues? Either way, you sound like a jerk.
May 8, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm so annoyed I can't spell.
"because"
"vote for you"
May 8, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's time for the Suers to end this. I was all for allowing her to finish out the primary schedule, but she's still playing games. She's trying to make it a race issue and a sex issue, though by not mentioning Obama, she's still saying without is the black candidate and doesn't relate to whites and women, like somehow Hillary is the only person who can do it (or maybe John McCain since he is white).
May 8, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Do you know difficult it is for women to stand up and say we are the best at anything?"
most the women I know do not find this difficult.
But I understand wht she means.
May 8, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Since February 19th (when BO) started getting scrutinized properly), HC has won 60% of all votes.
It all makes me think of his initials. Obama's the Big O. African Americans and college kids enjoy the quickie. The rest of us prefer a more long-term relationship.
May 8, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is that why you broke up with us but came back for more?
May 8, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
This 40-something woman wants to be heard--I voted for Obama!
Hillary, thank you for breaking the glass ceiling--you have paved the way and I expect from now on, we will always have at least one female candidate for President. That is a huge accomplishment! But now, it is time to end this gracefully. Thank you.
May 8, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Elitist... or sexist?!
May 8, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is gonna channel General Lee.
You watch.
May 8, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is classic Hillary Clinton. She sees everything in terms of a conflict between one group and another. Male vs. female. Black vs. white. Rich vs. poor. Blue states vs. red states. One of the reasons Obama appeals to so many people is that he gets past that mindset, but it's something she is just completely blind to.
May 8, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton, poster child for divissiveness . . .
Of fucking course, women's votes will be tallied . . . in a Democratic primary . . . especially with Diebold voting machines . . . oops.
Is Clinton heading for a crack-up ala Britney?
May 8, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, THIS woman is damned good at standing up and saying, "You do not speak for me, Hillary Clinton!"
How dare she try to push this divide. How dare she pretend to be running as a feminist, speaking up for women.
She has not been running a feminist campaign. She has been running a divisive, hawkish, pandering campaign that follows all the old Republican frames. The longer the campaign goes on, the more she relies on hawkishness and Republican talking points.
Feminism is, in large part, about changing the frames, about respecting people as individuals, about valuing diversity. Clinton fails on this point.
My feminism is also very much about peace and about moving away from militaristic solutions. I am not a pacifist, but I believe violence must truly be a last resort. Clinton fails completely on this front. She is a hawk.
May 8, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
"The Democratic Party has to know that women are the core, women have to be at the table and women are going to be heard as we continue in these contests until they finally end."
sounds like she a)is making a case for putting her on the ticket, or b)she wants to use her "leverage" among women voters to make sure a woman (not her) is on the ticket.
May 8, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have worked or gone to school every year of my life since I was five, except for maternity leave. I am a pod for Obama who has heard my voice.
Can someone please get a stake!
May 8, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you look at the exit polls for both Indiana and North Carolina, the gender gap had almost disappeared. Clinton still does slightly better among women than men, but the gap was down to about 4-6%.
May 8, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're counting black women, and as we all know, they count only 3/5.
It continually amazes me how Hillary Clinton has progressively narrowed her "base voter" until now it consists entirely of four old white ladies in Pennsylvania who dropped out of high school and work as greeters at Wal-Mart.
May 8, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very interesting comments here.
I'm a 56 year old white woman who went through the whole bra burning feminist movement back when. We were first in a lot of areas previously reserved for men only.
Hillary is the antithesis of what we fought for. We wanted equity, not preferential treatment. We would have NEVER used our gender to our advantage and we fought hard to never have it used against us. The fight was supposed to make gender a non-issue.
That said, our brand of militant feminism was largely ineffective and most of us moved on to a more internalized strength. We found our own strength and stood for same without having to shove it down everyone else's throat.
I see a marked difference in myself and my 21 year old daughter's self perceptions. She simply could never understand relying on her gender as she's grown up watching myself and my female friends very naturally asserting ourselves on our chosen paths.
I was shocked when I went to our state's caucus and saw the only Clinton supporters were 40ish year old women who behaved in a very similar fashion to how I did when I was a 20ish bra burner. The body language was amazing...very tight, very defensive.
I don't know what happened to that sandwich generation of women to be so uncomfortable in their skins, but I do know that most of my age and most of those my daughter's age are very comfortable with being human beings who happen to be women.
May 9, 2008 12:44 AM | Reply | Permalink