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Clinton And Obama Camps: CNN Report Of "Talks" Between Campaigns Is 100% False

CNN reported this morning that there are some kind of "talks" taking place between the Obama and Clinton campaigns about the possibility that she might leave the race and become veep.

The network claimed that the Clinton camp was pushing three "scenarios" it was envisioning for the future.

Well, I've just spoken to both campaigns about this. And their denials couldn't be more adamant.

Here's what Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson sent me:

1) There have been no discussions with the Obama campaign

2) The only scenario being discussed by this campaign is Senator Clinton's nomination as President

3) The report is 100% false

And here is what Obama spokesperson Bill Burton said:

This is something that I agree with Howard on 100%.

If I didn't know better, I'd say those sound like denials...


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The telling part is the actions that Senator Clinton has undertaken in the past three days, which makes me think that Obama said no to her being VP.

And Greg, given the recent rhetoric shift by the Clintons, do you still think they're not going to take it to the convention.

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I still think they won't. And really, I'm certain there aren't any talks. I don't think anyone asked, and I don't think Obama said no.

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So Al Giordano was dead wrong yesterday?

Greg,

Please ask your Clinton contacts if Hillary will
not accept the VP slot, under any circumstances.

I'm now hearing on the news that the Wolfson and McAuliffe has denied this CNN report, and they said the leaks are coming from the Obama camp. The Obama camp said it's not coming from them.

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I used to believe that dragging this McStuff to the Convention would have created an automatic reset of everything. After the first vote . . . Most pledged delegates are freed up to freely vote their choice AND the full court press will slam most of these folk like baby Bambi meeting a Freightliner. Although given her comments today, she may have nothing to argue with.

While there no realistically appraised metrics which allows the Clinton campaign to claim any victory, it used to appear that the intention of HRC’s campaign to leverage her as the white knight as the Party's savior and unifier. I believe that HRC has burned all her political capital getting to the Convention and there is nothing left in which to use to sway pledged and super delegates. This morning I thought that HRC was betting that she had not . . . With the assassination comments . . . I’m thinking toast.

There are too many rumors of top HRC folk looking for lifeboats for the prospects of this tactic to be successful. It is far more likely that this happy-horse-hockey will result in torching both Clinton and Obama. Additionally, this is creating inter-Party rifts that may not easily healed especially in light of the compressed schedule of the General Election.

Is it possible to quote me yawning?

Of course they are going to deny it! Clinton want to appear viable, and Obama doesn't want to appear he is pushing her out.

CNN sucks, for sure, but they didn't make this shit up.

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If I didn't know better, I'd say those sound like denials...

Too funny.

Hey, CNN, thanks for helping these two campaigns to unify around something: CNN is full of crap!

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OBAM, ANNOUNCE YOUR CHOICE FOR VP ASAP!!!! THIS NEW DRAMA WILL JUST DRAG ON AND ON AND ON....

No don't. Wait for McCain's choice, then kick his ass with our choice (not Clinton).

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i dunno. somehow i feel that if they were talks, howard wolfson would have released the exact same statement he just did.


i just think that if there were talks, its the kind of thing both campaigns would want to keep super secret so of course, they're going to deny deny deny.

Actually, I think Wolfson and Burton are both telling the truth. But I also think that CNN didn't likely manufacture the talks story.

The Clintons are working two tracks here. To a certain faction they are attempting to appear reasonable (ergo the talks story, which they likely made up and leaked) and, to another, obstinate, or, as they would likely prefer, determined.

The problem with statements from the Clinton camp -- just like statements from the current White House -- is that, as you listen, you have to wonder, almost without emotion, whether this is one of their true statements, or half-true statements, or utterly false statements. You're probably right that there are no talks ... but I say that only because of Burton's statement. But there could be, because essentially Burton said "I'm not going to call Howard Wolfson a liar" - not a totally direct response to the question. But Wolfson may as well have not spoken because, at least with her own campaign, HRC was right: "words don't matter."

It's uncanny how many reminders of GWB there are as you watch Clinton. Find me too other people that can tell HUGE, whoppers of lies (e.g. WMD, Bosnia) and when caught in them -- either deny the truth to the contrary or calmly look you in the eye and say (in effect) "So I misspoke -- what are you going to do about it?"

Well, your interview with the Clinton fundraiser was real. There are clearly important supporters out their pushing this idea, whether the Clinton campaign wants them to or not.


The superdelegates from states that have already held primaries/caucuses could end this now. What is the hold up SERIOUSLY. They know they can change their vote if they're really that worried about it. I mean it's pretty obvious the way things are headed.

I'm really starting to think the remaining supers have NO SPINE!

Also, it's f-ing stories/leaks/rumors like these that shut the supers up, holding out for their DREAM. Not gonna happen. Decide, almost all the electorate has.

Sit tight, Josephcast. The SD's will do two things: 1. continue to trickle in for Obama and 2. those yet to announce will do so after the primaries on June 3rd. So many of them have said repeatedly that they will wait for all of the votes to be cast and let the process play out. It's really only about 12 more days.

Okay, okay. Just float, Joe, just float.....

Jindal will be VP because he is young and their rising star.

Very conservative and will not rebate the La. surplus from the oil boon. He is cutting programs instead.

His ethics bill is a joke like Obama's. La. drank his kool aid too.

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He's too young.

And too inexperienced. If McCain thinks Jindal is capable of stepping in as President, he'll have a hard time arguing that an older and more experienced Obama is too "inexperienced".

That can be undercut by pointing out that Jindal's a governor.

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For less than a year. Not going to work.

He's been a Gov. for 5 months. Prior to that he was a US Congressman for 3 years. So, we're talking less than 4 years of elected office experience?

Personally, I think it's gonna be Pawlenty- to bolster McCain's economic gravitas. He'll appeal to the base with his economic principles.

As a liberal Minnesotan, may I add, that Pawlenty's economics suck! He's all no growth, no new taxes. No progress, digging a deeper hole. But here is some increased fees to annoy you and will do nothing to promote growth. Horrible policies, but the Repubs will LOVE him.

My two cents...

Do you think McCain is stupid enough to pick Romney?

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I've got my fingers crossed that he does.

Hey, a cat can dream, right?

No, not Romney. Pawlenty is the safer Romney with more economic gravitas the Repub base will slober over.

slober=slobber

I dunno. The McCain campaign has shown itself to be anything but competent so far. They might look at that frozen grin and say, "He's our man!"

True dat. Mainly, I'm just scared to death that Pawlenty could be President someday if McCain would squeak out a win and kicks the bucket.

So frightening! Bridges would be falling down all over the country and worse.

However, with McCain's no vote for supporting the troops yesterday I think he just clinched his loss. What a boner!

Dumb/Dumber '08!

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Well . . . It is McCain we are talking about . . . So . . . Yeah.

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Those omnipresent photos of the 35W bridge collapse are potentially compelling ad visuals of what happens when you follow Pawlenty's (and McCain's) "no new taxes" mentality... That's why 6 members of Pawlenty's own party crossed over a month ago to deliver a veto proof majority for increased gas taxes -- to fix the infrastructure he wouldn't.

Now the Gov is hustling to fix the bridge in time for the Republican convention to storm into town in September...

I don't like high gas prices, but thank god, we got that passed! Finally, we'll have a little money trickling into MNDOT. Just sad we had to let a bridge drop into the river and cost several lives before we could do anything about it. And NO thanks to Pawlenty and his stonewalling. Ventura didn't help either...

Please, God, don't let it be Bloomberg. Yeah, we know ol' Bloom's ideologically closer to Obama, but he's also been longtime friends with the geezer from the GOP. It'd crush the Democrats, I fear.

I think CNN's Suzanne Malveaux broke the story. She seems pretty credible, but she has to be felling like crap now though. This was a total none story. I think she was used by the CLinton camp to gague the vibe from the public and the BO camp on her as a viable VP. i am watching CNN to see if she will come on and defend her source. has egg all

This underscores the problem of relying on anonymous sources. If I were Malveaux, I'd divulge the source.

And given the multiple sources coming out of the Clinton camp, I'd be far more willing to believe that it is a Clinton source. Obama's camp is holding ALL of the cards.

She cant reveal her source. If she does, she will have no credibility as a journalist. So even though she was hung out to dry, she has no choice but to take the hit for it.

Suzanne Malveuax, the CNN reporter, just walked it back:

UPDATE: Suzanne Malveaux, the CNN correspondent who originally reported the talks, appeared on CNN to walk back her initial report slightly. She now suggests the talks between the camps are informal (as opposed to formal), and are primarily motivated by Clinton supporters. She still stands by the claim that the camps are in communication about a possible endgame. Take the distinction for what you will.

primarily motivated by Clinton supporters

So she based her report on Nemazee and whoever else is doing dirty work for Bill. What a bunch of bozos.

I do hope the denials are false. I see serious difficulties for Obama. Without Hillary on the ticket I don't expect us to win in November.

Here's a very interesting interview with Democratic strategist Doug Schoen discussing Obama's challenges.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/22/politics/politicalplayers/main4121305.shtml

And in the interview I was gratified to see that he made the same point I have been making, i.e., that the race issue has been overstated.

CBSNews.com: And to what extent do you think there are some white voters who will never vote for an African-American for President? Or do you think that the racial component of this is overstated?

Doug Schoen: I think the racial component is overstated. I think people have doubts about Barack. I think they have doubts about his program. And I think they have some doubts about people like Reverend Wright. And I don't think that is necessarily racially motivated, though I would suggest that black liberation theology and some of the outrageous things that Reverend Wright has said certainly raise the specter of concern about race--separate and apart from Barack Obama--with working class voters who might be very, very concerned with the message.

Well, if they have doubts, what does Hillary offer? All she has is two senate runs with little to show for it except the fact she was gunning for the White House.

Sorry, but we need someone less polarizing, more in Obama's camp, and someone the Repub base hates a little less.

Centrist Democrat with rural/southern appeal who was against this war from the beginning, and who Obama can trust- ALL THE WAY!

Tim Kaine, gets my approval. We need those Huckabee Republicans. All we need is a little religion on our side. Kaine will give them to us.

Oh, and some who speaks well of Obama is number one. The things Hillary has said mocking Obama is her number one minus.

Tim Kaine was Obama's first endorsement outside of Illinois. Claire McCaskill also speaks wonderfully for him. That is the VP's number one role. Get a good enough speaker and their WILL be unity.

Doug Schoen is a moronic scumbag just like his former partner Mark Penn. Schoen is actively urging McSame to pick Joe "Schmendrake" Lieberman as his running mate.

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I've been thinking that Hillary might be necessary to bring tough states like PA, OH and FL on board. But after seeing the SurveyUSA polls on OH and PA, I'm thinking that Edwards may do the trick. I know he said he wouldn't take it, but maybe he can be convinced. He'd still be young enough (barely, perhaps) to run again for President in eight years, and VP may well be his only shot at the presidency.

Obama can do better than Edwards. What does he bring to the ticket, exactly? No foreign policy and he didn't help Kerry all that much in the south.

I'm done with Edwards.

I think Edwards is probably getting a pretty big name-recognition boost in the SurveyUSA polls, though. Nobody knows the others well enough, yet, so I'd hesitate to believe that Edwards is really the strongest choice based on those polls.

Not that a well-known VP candidate going in couldn't be a plus, but the others included in the poll would have a lot more upward mobility in those numbers.

Why Hillary should not be VP:

From "Head of State"

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/head-of-state-reasons-that-hillary.html

Friday, May 23, 2008

Head of State: The Reasons That Hillary Should Not Be Vice President

Regarding Hillary Clinton as Barack Obama's running mate:

Originally, this seemed to be a potentially plausible choice--and if presented in the following way, could turn her divisive campaign into a potential coup as a VP candidate. The thinking was the following:

Hillary has run a divisive campaign. Now, just as the nation should mend its divisions in favor a greater unity that would serve the greater needs of our country, so now they would explicitly put these divisions behind them, in the interests of the unity that this nation, after a bitter and divisive Administration, is so in need of. This would serve as a powerful and vibrant example of the very ability to unify that Obama both offers and represents.

However, this would require a candidate that was willing to take such a position of relative shared selflessness in the interests of a greater good. While the Vice Presidency certainly offers its honors (now far beyond the "warm pitcher" of John Vance Garner's famous phrase) and positioning for later Presidential aspirations, such a plan would require the ability to think in terms of a shared effort based on the betterment of the nation, rather than in more grasping, combative and singular terms.

The Clinton camp's behavior over this past week has made such a positive scenario clearly untenable, showcasing the same characteristics that have signified her campaign throughout its long, chaotic march--its contradictions of previous statements when such changes have a slight possibility of adding a week or two of vitality, its sudden and implausible use of populist guises and specious historical parallels for transparently opportunistic purposes, its near-hallucinogenic transmogrifications of personality and central bases for further continuation,
and the central campaign tendency to place personal attainment over virtually all values that lay in its path.

These characteristics--self over nation, positioning over a consistent presentation of position, values and even self, the willingness to put personal viability over the need to transcend and transform the vast wreckage of state and international relations that remains at this critical time--are as present now, at a moment when wisdom rather than a remorseless, obdurate desperation could fill this gap, as they have been throughout much of the campaign. They would continue to make themselves present during a Clinton campaign for vice president, complicating, diminishing and often distracting from, in trivial internecine battles, the message of unity and change.

Perhaps Clinton could adopt a more unifying, integrated and less grasping position on the VP subject. However, thus far, the actions of the Clinton camp have made it clear: It's time to clean the slate. Hillary Clinton should not be the Vice Presidential candidate.

Cite:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/head-of-state-reasons-that-hillary.html


Good article.

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Without Hillary on the ticket I don't expect us to win in November.

I disagree. While I once thought that they would make a dream ticket, I don't any longer. I'm concerned that the presence of Hillary Clinton (with Bill lurking in the background, always) will energize Republican voters who otherwise would have just stayed home.

McCain has worked hard to court conservatives. He's now dissed them, with the dismissal of the Hagee and Parsley endorsements. Clinton's presence on the ticket would just be an incentive to these disaffected voters.

And, those unfortunate remarks she made about her and McCain having crossed the threshold to commander in chief should doom her chances, anyway. I can hear the campaign ads now from McCain: "Even Obama's running mate doesn't think he's qualified".

Those remarks are going to haunt her.

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doh! That was in response to Otto.

I also was pro-"dream" ticket for awhile myself (circa Super Tuesday, I even made buttons). I voted for Clinton after all. Now horrible idea. Doesn't make sense politically speaking.

Obama/Kaine 2008!

the folks at Kos seem to think Hillary camp leaked the story.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/23/9943/80416/609/521106

I'm sure they did. As I've stated I think it's leaks like these that are delaying the super-delegates- holding out for their dream or to raise doubts about Obama or to paint him as stubborn,etc...

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If there's anything we've learned in this campaign, it's that the Clinton camp leaks like a sieve and the Obama camp is pretty tight, coordinated, and leak proof.

If things are leaking out, methinks I know who spilt them.

Clinton voted for the war and I don't think Obama wants Hillary talking about her Healthcare initiatives in the general election.

I think Obama needs to find a Veep candidate that is populist and that the Unions really like. Someone like John Edwards and I think the front runner is Virginia Governor, Tim Kaine.

I like Kaine too. I think he could "bring it"....

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Well . . . It is McCain we are talking about . . . So . . . Yeah.

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