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Chris Matthews, On Whether MSNBC Supports Obama: "Well, It's Not Official"

You often hear Hillaryland insiders grousing about MSNBC's coverage of the presidential race. They gripe that MSNBC is more unfair to Hillary than even Fox, and that MSNBC has gone to great lengths to boost Obama and damage Hillary.

Last night, MSNBC's Chris Matthews was asked to respond to this charge during a forum held by the Institute of Politics. The Harvard Crimson has this intriguing nugget:

When asked by another audience member how he would respond to the claim that MSNBC officially supports Obama, Matthews responded with typical Hardball wit, "Well, it's not official."

( Via Michael Calderone.)


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MSNBC unofficially supports Obama over Clinton....

Newsflash this is not./

Praising Barack Obama throughout his speech, Matthews said the Illinois Democrat is a symbol of the positive change that he believe the country needs. Matthews’ exuberance—marked by his characteristic interruptions of audience members’ questions—kept his listeners laughing.

Obviously, Matthews was speaking for himself. Way to take a comment to the extreme edge of "out of context", Mr. Sargent.

Watch Scarborough and Mika take offense over "cheesy" Penn Gillette joke:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/06/penn-jillette-makes-hilla_n_100375.html

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Come on, Opus, they're totally in the tank for Obama. How can you see that any differently? /snark ;)

So why is this news? I fail to see why you comment on MSNBC and fail to have any recent posts on the drubbing Obama has had with the other media outlets such as CNN, ABC, and Faux.
May I have a little more meat with my superficial posts? Posts like this go a long way in making the media the message instead of the candidates stand on issues.

Bill the Cat needs meat already! Feed the poor thing!

In the words of Douglas Adams: "I'll just nip off and shoot myself then, shall I?"

Meheheheh.

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The ONLY show that gives Obama ANY support in the last two months is Countdown -- all the rest have been relentlessly attacking him about Wright, flag pins, patriotism, etc..

Hillary's gotten a free ride ever since Sat Night Live made fun of the media.

Bingo.

Seriously? You'd never guess. They shouldn't be supporting anyone anyway.

Morning Joe is consistently anti-Obama.

The road between Chris Matthews' mouth and his brain has been under construction for some time now.

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LOL!

Excellent comment.

Not a newsflash, but incredibly unprofessional of Matthews. Idemandareprimanda.

Go Obama 08

Well, it sounds like he was joking. What's the saying, though, "there's truth in every joke"?

Geez, if you listen to Scarborough and Dan Abrams, it's not official or unanimous. As for the rest, that's the sound of scales falling from eyes. I respect MSNBC, and even Matthews, because their bullshit detectors go off like a Geiger counter every time The Clintons pontificate, prevaricate or pull another pander. Matthews is paid for his take and access to the inside skinny, not to report as an unbiased journalist. His emotional transparency is one reason he makes good television. In small doses.

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The think I really like about Matthews is how much he enjoys talking about politics. Yes, whatever gland it is that controls the mouth he was born without. Yet watch his show, he really LOVES doing what he is doing.

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The think I really like about Matthews is how much he enjoys talking about politics.


Actually, you can dial that back to this and really nail it:

"...how much he enjoys talking."

I've never seen anyone who so patently loves the sound of his own voice more.

Uh, comedian Rush Limbaugh?

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I agree with you that Mathew's love of politics is what drives his show and I believe that his passion for politics is real.

However the issue that I have with him sometimes is that I think he respects skilled political operators even when he knows they are deceiving the public. He still admires them for their skill and intelligence.

Exactly right, he was praising Hillary for running a "heroic" campaign in Pennsylvania, basically because she proved she could pander and attack with surprising ferocity.

Matthews hates Hillary and used to like Obama but some of the bloom is off the rose. Olbermann clearly likes Obama. Scarborough hates Obama and has fallen for Hillary's Tom Joad schtick because he's an idiot.

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While Pat Buchanan has a hard-on for "white ethnic Catholics."

Matthews had the tingle up his leg for Obama until he realized that voters in Pennsylvania, where he has designs on becoming Senator preferred Clinton. He changed tunes drastically and obviously and has not gone a day since the PA primary without mentioning Wright.

He might flip again, but something tells me this guy's actual political future will never materialize.

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I also think Matthew's comment might have been a dig at Keith Olbermann - he clearly resents Keith's popularity and the way Keith puts him in his place every time the two of them cover the primaries (it's really funny to see Keith treat Chris like the crazy uncle in the corner). From what I've seen, MSNBC, with the exception of Keith, ranges from neutral to fairly anti-Obama. No, they're not as sycophantic as CNN, but they certainly treat Hillary a hell of a lot better and give her a hell of a lot more of the benefit of the doubt than they do Obama. Ever since the David Schuster "pimp" comment they've bent over backwards to be fair to her.

And Fox is Pro-Hillary, right?

The question is: Does MSNBC have the power to change minds?

Hell, Daily Show and Colbert Report have been attacking Hillary for awhile now, but I think that reflects more of where America is at then those shows...

Colbert dishes it out fairly evenly between Obama and Hillary in my opinion. Stewart went on a mini anti-Hillary crusade for a few weeks, though seems to be getting back on track now.

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Hahaha - you must not have seen his show last nite.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=167642&title=panderers-box

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Stewart's entire show is now and always an anti-bullshit crusade. That's why it winds up being so anti-Hillary. She's built the last two month of her campaign entirely on bullshit.

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If they support Obama they have an odd way of showing it. Lately Hardball has spent half of every show talking about Rev Wright.

I can see making that claim about Olberman, but not of Hardball. Hell, last night they had two pundits on to talk about the Dem race, one of them was a Senator backing Hillary and the other was Harold Ford Jr, Chairman of the DLC (yes, the same DLC the Clintons own.)

given the glee with which Scarborough and Bucanan have covered the Wright fiasco, I'd say Chris "Tingling Thigh" Matthews is speaking for himself.

Fair to say that Keith O. unabashedly (though not "officially") supports Obama (which may be why I enjoy him so much), and that Chris "I get a tingle up my leg" Matthews is in the same boat. But MSNBC as a whole? That's a pretty big stretch. Morning Joe is MSNBC's answer to Faux News, consistently trumpeting Hillary and bashing Obama on everything under the sun.

MSNBC spent the weekend running the 1-hour Jeremiah Wright special over and over again. Pat Buchanan is on every show blasting Obama. This is nonsense.

It sounds like an obvious joke, why is TPM reporting this? Did TPM realize that Hillary has unilaterally changed the number of delegates needed to secure the Democratic nomination? Maybe you'd like to report on some real news?

And MSNBC isn't pro-Obama. You have assholes like Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan constantly attacking Obama, non-stop Wright coverage, and all the rest of the bullshit from the rest of the networks. If pro-Obama is stating the obvious, like when it comes to the mathematical impossibility of Hillary winning, then I guess they are at times pro-Obama. If Keith Olbermann stating the obvious about Hillary's tactics is pro-Obama, then I guess you caught them. But I'm sorry, reality is MUCH more pro-Obama than MSNBC, so I'd say if anything MSNBC has been keeping Hillary afloat, just like the rest of the media.

Why is TPM reporting this? Seriously? Greg has dutifully reported all of Team Hillary's talking points for weeks (whether he agrees with them or not). If Hillary or her team says something, it MUST be news.

By the same rationale, if there is a tidbit anywhere in the ether that even tangentially supports anything Team Hillary has said in the past, it also MUST be news!

Anyone who saw the MSNBC debate has no doubt as to where they stand. The ABC debate was much less rough on Obama than the MSNBC debate was on Hillary, yet his supporters went ballistic after the ABC debate. I think Hillary's supporters didn't raise such a fus after the MSNBC debate because unlike Obama, Hillary came out ahead.

Stop yer whining, Otto. Getting too hot in the kitchen for you?

Now its official.

When you have Keith Olbermann say that BO and HRC should be put in a room and only he emerges, that's an endorsement, folks.

First of all: being honest is not being "for Obama."

Olbermann is "for Obama" because he can do math.

It's too bad the rest of the media is dishonest about Hillary's chances. It will make it harder for Obama to get the diehard Hillary supporters when she eventually resigns.

Yes, Olberman is obviously out of the closet for Obama. He is also only one voice on the network. They may not have any obvious Hillary Democrats, but they have two right wingers, Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan, cheerleading for Hillary daily.

That right there ought to tell you something is wrong with the picture.

As others have mentioned the continuous loop of the Abrams Wright special over the weekend was about as blatant Obama bashing as anything Fox news has done.

So it is fair to point out Olbermann, but to paint the whole network with a pro-Obama brush is pretty much BS.

But an endorsement of which candidate. Hillary's Spin Doctor, James Carville just gave Hiillary's undercarriage an examination and discovered that she has three testicles.
No wonder Bimbo Bill has sought feminine companionship.

L: You are a class act.

James Carville, The great Campaign Guru to the Clintons declared that Hillary has three testicles, and you want to say I do not have any class. Richmond you are an addled Moron.

Well let me officially say that MSNBC is in no way, shape, or form for Obama. First we have "Morning Smear", I mean, "Morning Joe" - where Joe "they found a dead girl in my office" Scarborough spends the entire morning talking about reverend Wright or trying to emasculate Obama in some way. Playing the consummate "concern troll", stoking racial division by mistakenly wondering why Obama can sway more white people 24/7. Pat Buchanan, a man that I have characterized as "the Statler & Waldorf" of political punditry, believes that black people benefited from slavery - so you know how his opinion tilts. David Gregory is a fucking clown. Chris Matthews, an equal opportunity offender - one time went on an ill advised rant about fucking flag pins. Dan Abrams is a shameless Hillary apologist. The only person there who doesn't have some vendetta against Obama is Keith Olbermann. Oh, and they need to give Rachel Maddow and David Shuster their own shows.

"why Obama CAN'T"^^

You elites and your cable!

LOL! And computers, too!

Praising Barack Obama throughout his speech, Matthews said the Illinois Democrat is a symbol of the positive change that he believe the country needs.

Matthews’ exuberance—marked by his characteristic interruptions of audience members’ questions—kept his listeners laughing.

Obviously, Matthews was speaking for himself. Way to take a comment to the extreme edge of "out of context", Mr. Sargent.

And let's not forget, McCain has reversed himself over and over again in the last few weeks, not to mention his ENTIRE career. I seem to miss that coverage on MSNBC completely. Maybe they should do their job, Olbermann excluded.

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MSNBC, unlike Fox, isn't uniform in its coverage. During the day, it leans in Hillary's direction, I would argue.

Chris Matthews? He's a weird creepy dude who vacillates back and forth. Remember the "I feel a chill going up my leg!" moment? Ick. Why MSNBC keeps him on is a mystery to me (and is lumped into the same mystery of why Maureen Dowd and David broder, for instance, have such an unhealthy fascination with the sexual activities of politicisn--seriously, they're just strange, aren't they?)

Dan Abrams seems to be looking for the job of press secretary in the Clinton White House much of the time.

Keith Olberman isn't so much as pro-Obama as he is anti-Clinton.

All in all, I would judge MSNBC to be a mixed bag.

But one thing is straightforward: they're going to need to do something about Chris Matthews because he's just embarassing. He's already said that the press is John McCain's base. He seems to believe that he, Matthews, is genuinely part of the story.

A lot of media seem to think that, actually.

It would be much more helpful if they would stop talking about Wright.

And Matthews liking Obama does nothing to change the fact that he's an idiot manchild who only sensationalizes the conventional wisdom and then broadcasts it at extreme volume. If he left cable news and never returned it would be a joyous occasion.

Likewise, Tim Russert can die in a fire.

Someone said this is nonsense.....and this is indeed nonsense. Hillar Clinton and her supporters have perfected all of Rove tactics. Attack through the media or blogs, all things insiders know to be true, which is (Countdown and Rachel Maddow) are the only places where Obama may recieve fair coverage, with the spin and nuance that the network as a whole is unfair to Hillary.....This shit is truly ridiculous!....and its not my place to Judge, but I cant see why people even induldge them when the HRC supporters make these stupid claims!!!!!
Vooooooommmmmmiiiiiiiittttt!

Olberman, Maddow, Robinson, & Matthews seem to favor Obama. There has to be some counterweight to the Clinton News Network.

They're all still guilty of making this seem like Clinton has some shot of winning.

not news.

bad journalism, even by internet standards.

Its not a matter of the network endorsing anyone, its a matter of Hillary not making a damn bit of sense since February. To paraphrase Colbert, reality has an Obama bias.

Matthews goes out of his way to compliment the Clintons on how well they play politics, and consistently touts their strengths.

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Even if Matthews likes Obama in the primary, there's no way that's going to overcome his deep man-crush on McCain.

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Yep, you got that right!

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Oh yeah.

Who can forget Chris drooling over Aqua Velva-Smell the cigar smoke! Fred Thompson.

This is true. McCain gets sloppy blowjobs from the entire mainstream media.

Greg,

Hillary's Talking Points aside, how about some "informed" posts on Operation Chaos happening right now in IN ?

Halperin is doing it.

Now its official.

When you have Keith Olbermann say that BO and HRC should be put in a room and only he emerges, that's an endorsement, folks.
Posted by Richmond
May 6, 2008 1:00 PM

But an endorsement of which candidate. Hillary's Spin Doctor, James Carville just gave Hiillary's undercarriage an examination and discovered that she has three testicles.
No wonder Bimbo Bill has sought feminine companionship.

L -- Its usually amusing to read your barely literate, typographical error filled, trailer park style rants. Its a challenge to try to decipher a coherent point. Not today. Some free advice: put down the cheetos, get out of the basement, go get your GED.

Richmond you addled Moron. Carville revealed that Hillary has three testicles. You can not handle the truth. Here it is. Deal with it, and quit your whining.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=BDBFBDA1-3048-5C12-003A760DEF7A0BF3


Swing Low, Sweet Hillary
By: Ben Smith
May 6, 2008 01:09 PM EST

INDIANAPOLIS — Evan Bayh was halfway through telling a story about "a steelworker in Northern Indiana" on stage beside his Senate colleague, Hillary Clinton.

"Anybody know what he said?" Bayh asked at the Saturday rally, starting to quote the
steelworker: "Our candidate is the one in the race –."

Clinton cut him off with a whisper and an urgent gesture.

"She doesn't want me to go there,” Bayh told the crowd. “OK. I won't. Alright, alright.”

Clinton may not like the story, but her supporters love it: The sheet metal workers union official in Portage, Indiana cited by Bayh had praised her "testicular fortitude" before lighting into unnamed "Gucci wearing, latte-drinking" opponents.

Also last week, a New York Post columnist wrote that she'd won the "cojones primary."

And James Carville, the Clintons' ubiquitous former aide, booster, and informal adviser made
the point even more vividly, giving Clinton a two-gonad edge on her primary rival, Senator Barack Obama.
"If she gave him one of her cojones, they'd both have two," Carville said.

The ballsy fighter is the newest persona for a woman whom public life has taken from a liberal policy wonk to a devoted wife, from a wronged woman to a cerebral senator.

Just as this campaign, a campaign that began obsessed with showing strength, was revived with a show of vulnerability in New Hampshire. Last fall, she was the ultimate wonk; this spring, she's emerged as a beer-swigging, never-say-die populist—proud of her toughness above all, mocking out-of-touch elites and deriding economists as a class.

Skeptics might say these kaleidoscopic transformations have been, themselves, a bit ballsy.

Now, the candidate who would be the first woman president is being described as, metaphorically, a man.

Her pitch to voters has followed a similar arc: She began as a tough-minded centrist with a feminist appeal to women across the spectrum of class and race. But as her rival, Senator Barack Obama, took control of the race in January and solidified a base of African-American and well-educated voters, Clinton slid into the countervailing space: tribune of the working class.

Ugh.

I guess she won't be dropping out?

Well, maybe enough Supers will be pissed by this that they'll move towards Obama in large enough numbers where not even Florida and Michigan will matter.

Lost in the ridiculous "fuzzy math" being put forth by the Clinton campaign was this nuggest from the article you posted that just sums up why I love this guy...

On the stump yesterday, Mr. Obama told voters that many Americans do not find Mrs. Clinton to be trustworthy, and said his critics are reaching when they attack him for not wearing a flag pin.

"I think the majority of people do find me trustworthy, more than they do the other candidate, and we can't solve problems if people don't think that their leaders are telling them the truth. If they think their leaders are just saying whatever it is that helps them get to the next election, you can never ask them for sacrifice, because they are thinking, 'I don't want to be played for a sap, for a patsy,' " he said.

"There's something about our campaign that's right, that's true," he said in responding to an undecided voter in Durham who said electability was her biggest concern and asked why she should choose Mr. Obama.

"Don't buy into this electability argument," Mr. Obama told the woman. "Go with who you think best represents your vision of where America needs to go. If you do that, I am absolutely confident that that person will win."

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Yep. She's moving the goalposts, yet again.

No one could have anticipated that the Clinton campaign, after moving the goalposts for the last three months, would yet again, move the goalposts. No one.

The problem for Obama is that she has the more easily digestable argument: count every vote. It matters that Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan and that no campaigning occured in Florida, but it's a much trickier argument to make in the face of Bill CLinton bellowing "count every vote."

I think most people are embarrassed to admit they support Hillary at this point after all her lying, pandering and elitist crap. Are we supposed to be ashamed that we have an education or are sacrificing to educate our children? Most of us (like the Obamas) have to work hard to pay for college, and the Clintons demean us as latte-drinking elitists. How does this attitude toward education lead us into the future?

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What I think is insidious about the media coverage is that, in most clips I see via internet, it seems to invariably be a 'rule' that some black person be included in the panel discussions to be the one addressed to represent or clarify Obama's position. That 'rule' sets up a black vs white scene which visually reinforces the notion of a racial divide, not to mention that it belittles the reality of Obama's many significant white supporters, many of whom would be happy to represent Obama in panel discussions.

I agree. No more Eugene Robinson.

OMG, whenever he comes on i press mute.

It's a valid argument, but what is your proposed soultion? All lily white male commentators on the Democratic primary?

Young black females when discussing the Republicans?

There is no way to have a visual medium without someone percieving racial bias. Unless maybe the bias is in the person watching the commentators rather than the commentators themselves??

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I think the solution is pretty simple. Mix it up a bit by sometimes putting blacks on supporting Clinton's position and whites supporting Obama's position. Just that simple adjustment would make a difference.

The party is at stake...what are the people and the supers going to do....will be interesting.

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They're all still guilty of making this seem like Clinton has some shot of winning

That's pisses me off so very much because that's just truthiness and not journalism at all. It's ridiculous.

Being for someone and being in the tank for someone is two different things. When your in the tank for someone or a political party your like Fox News who refuses to see the errors of the GOP and wont critique the GOP, but will critize you for critizing the GOP.

With that said, Keith and Chris are pro Obama no doubt, but he isnt in the tank for Obama...CNN and MSNBC's Andrea are pro Hillary, but their not in the tank for her...Abrams, imo, is just there...David Gregory show sucks because it sucks.
Morning Misogyny, opps, Morning Joe stinks. When you wake up in the morning Joe Scarborough's beaty eyes is not what you want to be staring at first thing in the morning. You think he has good eye sight?

Need to be objective there..keithy and chrissy are in the tank for Obama. Plain and simple. They past objectivity last year on the road to complete adoration. Never seen how Matthews voice rises an extra octave when he talks about Obama? Some definite man-love going on there.

Good lord Greg, If you've seen Chris Matthews for the last year you know who he is for. Same can be said for the rest of NBC......One wonders. Do they get their marching orders from GE? And why would GE be interested in an Obama Presidency?

They are Obama hacks.

Please. Joe Scarborough and Buchanan are hacks all right, but not for Obama...

At least Buchanan is so stupid he is funny. Is he and his sister identical twins? Olberman just steals his stuff from Youtube. Its tired and old. He needs to go back and do his version of a poor mans Greg Gumbel.

No he is offensive and Dangerous...mixed in with ridiculous!

Take your pick. Its like watching an old movie.

Is ABC's endorsement of Clinton official yet?

I have a boogie in my nose.

As everyone else has noted, after MSNBC's 100 years of Wrightness coverage, it is an impossible charge to make.

Every day the question was "Is Obama's campaign ruined?", "How can Obama recover from this?", "Is the campaign now over?".

Exactly....it's all about exposure. Get the narrative out there...Msnbc loves Obama...and it doesnt matter what the truth is.....

Allot of peoples attention span is (snaps fingers) this short! The nuance behind Rachel and keith who care to tell people the truth, with others who like to spin everything for the sake of "Loving Politics" and ratings is there. Conflating that to bias for Obama as a network as a whole...is cheap and disgusts me and one more log on the I hate the HRC campaign and some of their supporters!

log on that fire!

You can be serious. You watch those guys at all? I stopped watching Olberman because of his antics lately. Matthews is all Obama all the time. Russert? Come on, the performances of NBC/MSNBC on the debates are evidence enough. I loved hearing all the shouts about ABC when all this time MSNBC/NBC have been running "Obama" debates where he gets off the hook of answering any question at all.

Can't...

4 Real?....isnt that the ABC debate in which hillary again blamed her bosnia situation on sleep....AGAIN..LOL...and then pushed Obama to expand on Farrakhan when Rendel had publicly praised him...oh and didnt she say that Obama can win, which pretty much underminds her (PRIVATE) argument to the Super Delegates....But all we heard about was Rev Right and even though all the polls at the time including Abc showed the people thought Obama won the debate....Everything became about how he lost, just because even he said he didnt do as well as he could have....:) But whats funny, is I just talked about this and you turn around and comment on matthews,olberman...lol..

Oh and ABC was called on that debate by non political people as well....someones out of touch here...lol..

Look at the letters I said MSNBC and not ABC. 1 debate versus what 15 or so for MSNBC? Poor Barack had to finally answer some questions. Come on Sean. We both know he can't stand toe to toe with her. Thats why he is ducking the Lincoln/Douglas style debates.

But that gets away from the obvious bias that is MSNBC and NBC. That is unquestioned.

Luis I love you, but your wrong! I think this is the difference between us both. I dont agree with people that say he lost any of the debates between them. She cried foul and got what she wanted which is the pundits to carry her water for her. That is why she wants more debates, because her and the MSM understand that they are on the same team. Good for hillary as she stays in the race and makes him attack her so she can spin...and good for the MSM in ratings... I think you know that, nevermind the fact that the public is tired of the debates....I think you know that too!

sorry Louis for the misspelling

I have to go Drink Louisville....but try to go back up in my prior posts....I talk about how you guys love to pick something fair which I think Keith and Rachel are whether or not they support Obama, and spin it into something else by shouting to get it out there... Race for the whitehouse and Cnn, other shows may bend under your shouts of unfairness when it involves the clintons, but I understand what the game is. Criticize Rachel and keith on something they said and then prove it, and dont conflate it to Msnbc or Nbc. Network vs one show Countdown...doesnt make your point in my opinion....

Catch you later Hommie....

James Carville reveals that Hillary is a Man and a Half.


http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=BDBFBDA1-3048-5C12-003A760DEF7A0BF3


Swing Low, Sweet Hillary
By: Ben Smith
May 6, 2008 01:09 PM EST

INDIANAPOLIS — Evan Bayh was halfway through telling a story about "a steelworker in Northern Indiana" on stage beside his Senate colleague, Hillary Clinton.

"Anybody know what he said?" Bayh asked at the Saturday rally, starting to quote the
steelworker: "Our candidate is the one in the race –."

Clinton cut him off with a whisper and an urgent gesture.

"She doesn't want me to go there,” Bayh told the crowd. “OK. I won't. Alright, alright.”

Clinton may not like the story, but her supporters love it: The sheet metal workers union official in Portage, Indiana cited by Bayh had praised her "testicular fortitude" before lighting into unnamed "Gucci wearing, latte-drinking" opponents.

Also last week, a New York Post columnist wrote that she'd won the "cojones primary."

And James Carville, the Clintons' ubiquitous former aide, booster, and informal adviser made
the point even more vividly, giving Clinton a two-gonad edge on her primary rival, Senator Barack Obama.
"If she gave him one of her cojones, they'd both have two," Carville said.


The ballsy fighter is the newest persona for a woman whom public life has taken from a liberal policy wonk to a devoted wife, from a wronged woman to a cerebral senator.

Just as this campaign, a campaign that began obsessed with showing strength, was revived with a show of vulnerability in New Hampshire. Last fall, she was the ultimate wonk; this spring, she's emerged as a beer-swigging, never-say-die populist—proud of her toughness above all, mocking out-of-touch elites and deriding economists as a class.

Skeptics might say these kaleidoscopic transformations have been, themselves, a bit ballsy.

Now, the candidate who would be the first woman president is being described as, metaphorically, a man.

Her pitch to voters has followed a similar arc: She began as a tough-minded centrist with a feminist appeal to women across the spectrum of class and race. But as her rival, Senator Barack Obama, took control of the race in January and solidified a base of African-American and well-educated voters, Clinton slid into the countervailing space: tribune of the working class.

Suppose you'd rather her wimp out like Mondale/Dukakis,Gore and Kerry and not fight back. Thats the problem with this party sometimes.

So why has Hillary of the three testicles, never had enough balls to get rid of the serial sexual predator that she is still clinging to. Her boozy testosterone persona is as phony as her Tigress of Tuzla Fairy Tales was.

Liam, Probably something they said to each other when they were married. Believing in those vows as opposed to most of our society. And, obviously, Love. If there is one thing Bill has shown in this campaign is the utter Love he has for Hillary. Its moving.

moving me WRIGHT to the bathroom...!

Right. Love of power. That is the only thing that has kept them together.

Sorry, maybe I am an idealist. But I believe in the power of Love. What they've shown us is their obvious Love for each other. If you can't be moved by that and the obvious way Bill has shown that Love all during this campaign then your stone.

Absolutely not! I will not bore you with what I think of love, and its not part of the conversation for me. It makes me want to vomit that you define their behavior of late as love, with no clear reasoning as to why its not obsession with power. They could have had the type of marriage that was strictly business. Both of them getting back in the white house to fufill their lobbyists connection ties and paybacks, combined with ambition and power could just as well explain it!

At any rate, none of that is important to me. Whether love each other, or it is business is of no concern to me. What is is their race baiting practices. Their omission of characteristics that define the Democratic party and seperates it from the Republican party. Their constant pandering. The mocking of people like me who so far from elite, and understand where they came from is unforegivable.....I could go on, but you know....Basicaly, if they love each other means nothing to me currently!

Obviously, I disagree with you. I think she will make a find President just as Bill did. They are solid Democrats that have helped this country and its people immensely with their service. Do you think thats not true as well?

What are they pandering to that Obama isn't doing? How do they mock you?

Your comparing the 90's to now and how she is running this campaign and you ask me that question. Do I really have to answer. Again, one way she mocks me is to call me elite in so many ways. She calls people that disagree with her on a number of issues elite. For the second time that is offensive knowing where I came from and where she came from, I consider that mocking. She mocks other people by pretending she is a small town girl who hangs out at bars and drinks crown royal.

Pandering:
She is pandering to broke people with this gas tax holiday. Why do I have to explain this to you. I think your smarter than that Louisville1975

jerk.

and it is pretty much official with Olbermann. Last i checked, he had a huge man crush on obama. the two should honeymoon together as hard as olbermann has barked for him.

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