...argued that the union wasn't obliged to include the disclaimer, because the piece wasn't sent out as a mass mailing and was intended for distribution door-to-door to AFSCME members only.

Gee, I guess they covered their butts on that one. Funny how they were ready with that answer.

Why is AFSCME afraid to put their name on the literature that they are distributing, if they are on the up and up.

They have been caught cheating, and trying to
Swiftboat all Union members.

They mis-wrote.

Consorting With Hillary gave AFSCME Liar Cooties!

Obamic paranoia.

So far has anyone any evidence that this was distributed to anyone outside the union? It was in-house collateral.

Obamites are already preparing their vast list of conspiracy excuses as to why Obama lost IN and NC.

Desperation........

So far has anyone any evidence that this was distributed to anyone outside the union? It was in-house collateral.

Yeah, that's right. And Bush doesn't lie. He sometimes gets things wrong, but you can't prove that it's intentional.

Geez, fogu, you've got the persistent denial and all the logical fallacies down pat. Bravo. You'll be warmly welcomed in the McCain campaign when Hillary is out of the running.

Do they think anyone's going to buy that excuse?

Oh my my. Now Greg is being asked to ask AFSCME to produce evidence that they are not crooks, because even though this is America, AFSCME is a union that supports Hillary Clinton and is not entitled to an absolute and fundamental presumption of innocence. [Folks should know that they are arguing that AFSCME has committed a crime here.]

All these unbiased geniuses can't conceive of the possibility that AFSCME used a generic flyer to hand out to their members. I know, maybe the flyer was prepared by another group, like the Clinton campaign, and if that's the case let's hang the bastards. Please.

Finally, as anyone with any exposure to the labor movement knows like the back of their hand, the schism beween AFSCME and other unions and Change to Win has nothing to do with this election, but
rather took place approximately three years ago. At that time, the Change to Win unions decided for reasons related to organizing and per capita assessments to the AFL-CIO to pull out of the Federation. Now, Change to Win has placed its bets on an Obama win big time, and Change to Win wants an Obama win big time. Of course, that reality could have nothing to do with the fun little scrum over the evil flyer that lacks a logo. Hee.

Some people can cry wolf only so many times. Others can claim the sky is falling only so many times. And still others can point to scandal and bias. . .again only so many times. For a certain some around here, oh how the toothpaste is out of the tube.

My union endorses Obama, I know this because I read the local and international newsletters almost every month. My guess is many of my brothers at this point have no clue who the union has endorsed. I am an Obama supporter but find this kind of a stupid arguement. If some random pamphlet without the union's name says "from your union" and someone concludes that MUST mean their union by virtue of the fact that they happen to be reading it, and also supposedly the material influences them differently than had it said "from a very big union named AFSCEME" instead, is stupid.

AFSCME President Gerald McEntee has his nose so far up the Clintons' asses, he can see out their mouths. He got suckered in by Bill Clinton inviting him to watch the Super Bowl at the White House and now he's hoping for more of the same. The idea that the Change to Win union presidents might get a White House invite before him is probably driving him bat shit.

And what exactly does this have to do with the needs of AFSCME members?

I don't know how AFSCME can continue to back her campaign after McEntee demanded she fire Mark Penn after his Colombian Free Trade Agreement debacle and instead of doing precisely that, she went through the charade of "demoting" him, while keeping him on staff and continuing to pay millions of dollars to his firm, Burson Marstellar, which proudly represents union-busters.

Hillary blew McEntee off -- made him look like a powerless fool -- and still he spends hundreds of thousands of dollars to try to elect her. It's pathetic.

I wrote this on the original post about these flyers. There's probably a way to link to it, but I don't know how to do that, so I'm going to paste it here:

I'm surprised that so many people above said that they've worked with unions, because if that was really the case, then this wouldn't have been blown out of proportion.

I am a union member. My union (and others) joined AFSCME to support Hillary Clinton. Their union had a good organization on the ground already, so it made sense to me that we were teaming up with them.

Instead of all of us making our own door hangers and flyers, these unions got together, worked out one piece they could all agree upon, and then distributed them to only their own members.

I don't know for sure because I am just a door-knocker, but the lists we've been given have always just been our own union membership lists.

I've knocked on a lot of doors, and I've never been asked by my union to talk to households that aren't union families. I am pretty sure it's illegal.

I've worked really hard, and I did it fairly. I've even spent weekends away from home to help out. Imagine what it feels like to do all that then to hear you people say that it's just "dirty tricks."