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Breaking: McCain Skips Vote On 21st Century G.I. Bill

The Senate just voted to pass Jim Webb's 21st Century version of the G.I. bill, which would greatly expand educational benefits to veterans.

Guess who skipped it?

John McCain.

McCain, who touts his support for veterans, had previously declined to support the bill. He offered another version of it so he'd be seen as having tried to offer an alternate solution.

McCain came under pressure from real live veterans and others to back the Webb bill. And rather than vote against it, he skipped the vote instead.

Both Hillary and Obama voted for it, and it passed 75-22.


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Oh my yes.....can't wait to see THAT missed vote in a general election campaign hahahahah.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

President Barack Obama

McCain supports the war but not the troops.

That was a mistake.

Yup.

Clinton and Obama both voted.

The war funding passed with domestic add ons.

McBushCain:

The Hybrid War Machine that runs on Ignorance, Bullshit, and Fear.

More War Year! More War Year! More War Years!

Troops are just cannon fodder for McBushCain.

More War Years! More War Years! More War Years!

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Nice to see Clinton and Obama working as a team.
See? We can all get along!

Obama Webb 08

for President!

McSame: I support the troops by word, but not deed. Just like my good friend, President Bush.

Has McBushCain Crossed The Commander in Chief Threshold now, well has he Hillary?

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My friends, I see a campaign commercial in the making. Along with endless repetitions of this, my friends.

Indeed :) I'm sure the user My Friend who made appearances yesterday as part of the fantastic McCain 2008 Trolling Pro/Am Tournament in the veritable Bile Pump otherwise known as last night's To the Convention! thread will be pleased.

OT - but that Shadow Character you were asking about some days back made a Hiding in Plain Sight slip in that very thread that's pure gold :) Be glad you missed the festivities...

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"Bile pump". I started reading it, then gave up. The vitriol and headspinning arguments were making me dizzy....

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Giant teeth.

I hear ya - almost to the point that i no longer have the patience with those monster free for all threads anymore.

TrollCritic 4000 has joined the effort today, though - distributing the load might save my patience yet :)

I'm afraid my sense of self preservation took over as I waded into that boiling cesspool of intellectual waste. Sanity is at a premium in this field and the wise critic knows when his own is at stake.

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Love your Geico commercial!

The trolling has been a little light today. Poor things must be getting tired.

You are much too kind.

Incoming CB prediction:

McCainian cesspool commentary of epic proportions coming soon to political blogs everywhere. Put on your galoshes, wading will be deep.

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Wow, Johnny baby! Thanks for the big fat gift!

Holy shit, dude, you shouldn't have - it's what I always wanted and never expected to get.

This set you back a fortune, McLame! Thank you!

Starting to like this Webb guy...

Aye, one sees a future for this young lion (young for the Senate, of course).

Trouble is, if he becomes Obama's VEEP, VA is not likely to replace him with another Dem.

That McCain skipped this vote disqualifies him as CinC.

Defies all logic, good sense and sound public policy. My friends, I give you the Republican nominee for President of the United States. Well, I guess HE can pay for his kids to go to college after the war. F*CK all of those veterans whose daddies didn't marry rich!

CIC threshold!

Someone fill me in - what are the grounds on which McCain refused his support?

He says he's afraid the rewards would discourage people from staying in military service longer.

Said it was too expensive and the benefits should not be awarded to those who only re-enlist.

Okay, I clicked the link above... duh.

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The Bush administration and some in the pentagon are afraid the bill will give soldiers an incentive to leave the service at the end of their enlistments rather than reenlist. The thinking of the administration's MBAs is that if poor soldiers have no hope for the future they will opt to stay in the service.

My friends....

ROFL

Folks:

Every Democrat, except Senator Kennedy, because of his medical leave, voted to support the Troops.

Here is a list of all the Republicans who voted aginst the Troops or abstained like McBushCain The Cowardly Maverick.

Target all these Republican Senators when theycome up for re-election. They all hate The Troops.
Their vote shows how much they hate our brave Troops.

I bet those Troop hating bastards were all wearing
their lapel flagpins as they cast their Troop hating votes.
Hound those traitors from office. Here are the names of all those Anti Troops cretins.


NAYs ---22
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
McConnell (R-KY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Not Voting - 3
Coburn (R-OK)
Kennedy (D-MA) Ted supported the bill, all the way.
McCain (R-AZ)

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What?!?!? Feinstein voted with the DEMs!

My universe ie reeling.

Hot damn!

Voinovich just gift-wrapped an issue for us to use against him in 2 years.

I wonder if this is gotalife's definition of McCain leadership it touts so often?

No, Webb led on this issue.

McCain lost on this issue.

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Forgive my ignorance -- but can senators vote by proxy? Have someone else push the button?

No.

Straight talk maverick.

Honestly, though. Did he know there was a vote taking place today?

Here's McCain's response to Barack Obama courtesy of Marc Ambinder at the Atlantic:

Here's Sen. John McCain, who was one of only three senators not to vote on the bill today:

"It is typical, but no less offensive that Senator Obama uses the Senate floor to take cheap shots at an opponent and easy advantage of an issue he has less than zero understanding of. Let me say first in response to Senator Obama, running for President is different than serving as President. The office comes with responsibilities so serious that the occupant can't always take the politically easy route without hurting the country he is sworn to defend. Unlike Senator Obama, my admiration, respect and deep gratitude for America's veterans is something more than a convenient campaign pledge. I think I have earned the right to make that claim.

"When I was five years old, a car pulled up in front of our house in New London, Connecticut, and a Navy officer rolled down the window, and shouted at my father that the Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor. My father immediately left for the submarine base where he was stationed. I rarely saw him again for four years. My grandfather, who commanded the fast carrier task force under Admiral Halsey, came home from the war exhausted from the burdens he had borne, and died the next day. I grew up in the Navy; served for twenty-two years as a naval officer; and, like Senator Webb, personally experienced the terrible costs war imposes on the veteran. The friendships I formed in war remain among the closest relationships in my life. The Navy is still the world I know best and love most. In Vietnam, where I formed the closest friendships of my life, some of those friends never came home to the country they loved so well .

"But I am running for the office of Commander-in-Chief. That is the highest privilege in this country, and it imposes the greatest responsibilities. It would be easier politically for me to have joined Senator Webb in offering his legislation. More importantly, I feel just as he does, that we owe veterans the respect and generosity of a great nation because no matter how generously we show our gratitude it will never compensate them fully for all the sacrifices they have borne on our behalf.

"Senators Graham, Burr and I have offered legislation that would provide veterans with a substantial increase in educational benefits. The bill we have sponsored would increase monthly education benefits to $1500; eliminate the $1200 enrollment fee; and offer a $1000 annually for books and supplies. Importantly, we would allow veterans to transfer those benefits to their spouses or dependent children or use a part of them to pay down existing student loans. We also increase benefits to the Guard and Reserve, and even more generously to those who serve in the Selected Reserve.

"I know that my friend and fellow veteran, Senator Jim Webb, an honorable man who takes his responsibility to veterans very seriously, has offered legislation with very generous benefits. I respect and admire his position, and I would never suggest that he has anything other than the best of intentions to honor the service of deserving veterans. Both Senator Webb and I are united in our deep appreciation for the men and women who risk their lives so that the rest of us may be secure in our freedom. And I take a backseat to no one in my affection, respect and devotion to veterans. And I will not accept from Senator Obama, who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform, any lectures on my regard for those who did.

"The most important difference between our two approaches is that Senator Webb offers veterans who served one enlistment the same benefits as those offered veterans who have re-enlisted several times. Our bill has a sliding scale that offers generous benefits to all veterans, but increases those benefits according to the veteran's length of service. I think it is important to do that because, otherwise, we will encourage more people to leave the military after they have completed one enlistment. At a time when the United States military is fighting in two wars, and as we finally are beginning the long overdue and very urgent necessity of increasing the size of the Army and Marine Corps, one study estimates that Senator Webb's bill will reduce retention rates by 16%.

"Most worrying to me, is that by hurting retention we will reduce the numbers of men and women who we train to become the backbone of all the services, the noncommissioned officer. In my life, I have learned more from noncommissioned officers I have known and served with than anyone else outside my family. And in combat, no one is more important to their soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen, and to the officers who command them, than the sergeant and petty officer. They are very hard to replace. Encouraging people not to choose to become noncommissioned officers would hurt the military and our country very badly. As I said, the office of President, which I am seeking, is a great honor, indeed, but it imposes serious responsibilities. How faithfully the President discharges those responsibilities will determine whether he or she deserves the honor. I can only tell you I intend to deserve the honor if I am fo rtunate to receive it, even if it means I must take politically unpopular positions at times and disagree with people for whom I have the highest respect and affection.

"Perhaps, if Senator Obama would take the time and trouble to understand this issue he would learn to debate an honest disagreement respectfully. But, as he always does, he prefers impugning the motives of his opponent, and exploiting a thoughtful difference of opinion to advance his own ambitions. If that is how he would behave as President, the country would regret his election."

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Uh, what did Obama say that McCain is so angry about?

I'm checking thomas.loc.gov to see if the Congressional Record has his remarks. Nothing yet. It usually takes a day or so for his remarks to reflect in the Congressional Record.

I neither know nor care, as long as McCain is angry, preferably while the cameras are rolling.

Here's what Obama said:

I respect sen. John McCain's service to our country. He is one of those heroes of which I speak. But I can't understand why he would line up behind the President in his opposition to this GI bill.
I can't believe why he believes it is too generous to our veterans. I could not disagree with him and the President more on this issue. There are many issues that lend themselves to partisan posturing but giving our veterans the chance to go to college should not be one of them.

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Cheap shots on the Senate floor?


ROFLMAO!

Dude, where were you when your president stood up in the Knesset and went off on the Democrats?

That wasn't just a cheap shot - that was almost unconstitutional.

You really want to give me this priceless gift, doncha, McLame?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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That didn't take long. The first real opportunity and Obama gets so far under his skin that McCain loses his temper.

I suspect Obama will rattle his cage all fall. The old guy is like somebody's cranky grandpa.

Does he really want to remind people that he can remember the bombing of Pearl harbor?

So Senator George W. McCain voted "ABSENT"? Brilliant!

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...MINDED

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When it came time to support our troops, John McCain [que music] was at a San Francisco fundraising party.

LOL.

Weaselly wimp.

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Really, what could they have been thinking? It would have been better to show up and make a big stink about it and vote no, but to just blow it off, wow, defies logic.

Yep. "He blew off our troops when they needed John McCain the most. He wasn't there when I voted to increase educational benefits for our young men and women in uniform. John McCain thinks that our brave soldiers who have served a single retention in Iraq, facing great dangers, and have come home with many injuries, don't deserve the benefit of a great education as their peers who served longer.

I wouldn't be where I am today if my grandfather, who fought in World War II, hadn't benefited from the GI Bill, which allowed him to go to college, buy a home, and raise his family. I am proud to support this bill and hope to see this become law for our brave men and women in uniform."

My friends, WHAT A PUTZ!!!!!!

Is it Christmas, Kwanza, and Chanukah allllll rolled up into one?


This absent vote is like a pony in your back yard on your 10th birthday and a porshe in your driveway on your 16th birthday.

MMMMMM HAPPINESS IN MY HEART!

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It's Happy Dance Time!

w00t!

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:)

I loved the w00t - always.

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I loved the w00t too, but even w00t love isn't worth giving atrios a web hit.

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No love for Atrios?

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None. At all. Atrios is a king-sized douche, AFAIAC.

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I read him every now and then. I wouldn't call him a douche, kingsize or any other size--why is he so repugnant?

And forgive my ignorance, but what does:

AFAIAC

stand for?

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AFAIC = as far as I'm concerned.

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I was a regular commenter there for 5 years. When I say he's a king-sized douche, it's because I've seen how he runs his blog, capriciously banning people he decides aren't "cool" enough for him or whatever. Certain things are beyond the pale if certain people say them...but not if others do. There's a real clique mentality over there where the most tireless self-promoters pretty much end up dictating what is allowed to be said and what is not, and he fosters that and enforces it. So, on a personal level, I think he's a huge douche.

"AFAIAC" means "as far as I am concerned".

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Thanks! I never commented, and used to read the comments, so I didn't see the inner workings of the operation.

The times that I did read the comments I noticed that the same commenters kept appearing and had a bunch of inside jokes. It sort of felt like junior high, so I stopped reading them.

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Yes, "jr. high" would be the best way to describe it. Plus, he's a lot more worried about banning regulars who he's decided he doesn't like than he is about banning trolls, which are legion in that blog's comments. Whatever. I just don't go there anymore.

Junior high-ish indeed. The irony is that he has his own Kool Kids now, after having coined the term for the Media elites.

I fear there is some of that here too. Perhaps I'll rant more about it sometime.

Jennofark,

I actually agree about the clique-ishness among the posters at Eschaton, but I am more interested in Atrios's insights than his commenters.

His blog posts continue to be priceless gems which cut through the nonsense by our media. If only Greg and Eric (sorry, gentlemen, I mean this constructively) had Atrios's discernment, TPMEC would succumb less to bullshit media narratives. Atrios is not as much about politics but about the media, and boy has he been disciplined in keeping his eye on that ball.

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I think Atrios cuts through the B.S. in ways that other bloggers can only envy. He's made me more interested the wonky details of the economy than I would ever have expected.

I don't think EC has Kool Kids, btw. TPMCafe? Definitely. And reader's blogs from TPMCafe are exhibit #1 of Kool Kidism, if you ask me.

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He does a good job of compiling bullshit into one easy to access archive...I don't know that his insights for the most part are all that earth-shaking, I would say they mostly fall under the heading of "common sense" or "duh" as in, any reasonable person would draw a similar conclusion. So, yeah, he does a decent job of that. Unfortunately, for loyal readers, that has tended to get a bit obscured by his interaction with his cheerleading squad. As I noted there before I finally quit reading him at all, he knocks people like Joe Klein and the editors and ombudsmen of quite a few different online, print, and broadcast outlets for doing the same stuff he does himself now - which is, holding himself above the plebes and feeling he doesn't have to answer to his readers for some of the stuff he does when he's wrong. He'll respond to his gang of cool kids, but no one else. And you know, that's just BS. So I started getting the info I used to get from him from the sources he gets it from, and just stopped going around there at all.

It would be easier politically for me to have joined Senator Webb in offering his legislation.

...Yeah?

What's going to make this even better is when President Bush tries to veto it and it becomes the Bush/McCain anti-troop agenda.

Ahhh, and my birthday isn't for three more weeks.

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McCain has an especially vitriolic press release regarding this issue.

"It is typical, but no less offensive that Senator Obama uses the Senate floor to take cheap shots at an opponent and easy advantage of an issue he has less than zero understanding of. Let me say first in response to Senator Obama, running for President is different than serving as President. The office comes with responsibilities so serious that the occupant can't always take the politically easy route without hurting the country he is sworn to defend. Unlike Senator Obama, my admiration, respect and deep gratitude for America's veterans is something more than a convenient campaign pledge. I think I have earned the right to make that claim."
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oops. i see flufferwink already has this for everyone to see...

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"And, I have earned the right to screw 'em too."

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McCain is such an entitled brat. Can't you see him stamping his feet and getting red in the face over the audacity of anyone challening the myth he and the media have created for him? Sorry, Senator. Get used to being exposed.

As far as the argument that the bill gives too much incentive to soldiers to leave the service...I'd say it gives plenty of incentive for civilians to join the service, too. The stop-loss tactics were implemented because there were simply too few people signing up for the military in the first place. If the military was viewed not as a detour from the real world but an opportunity to further one's professional goals by paying for their higher education, you'd certainly see more enlistment. Getting more people into uniform seems preferable to devising policies to trap people in those uniforms.

Folks: This is a huge game changer, not just for the Presidency, but for sweeping many more Republicans out of the US Senate. Keep their names in the spotlights for the next four years. We can oust them based on their votes against The Troops. The wore lapel flagpins as the cast their votes against our brave Troops.

Every Democrat, except Senator Kennedy, because of his medical leave, voted to support the Troops.

Here is a list of all the Republicans who voted aginst the Troops or abstained like McBushCain The Cowardly Maverick.

Target all these Republican Senators when they come up for re-election. They all hate The Troops.
Their vote shows how much they hate our brave Troops.

I bet those Troop hating bastards were all wearing
their lapel flagpins as they cast their Troop hating votes.
Hound those traitors from office. Here are the names of all those Anti Troops cretins.


NAYs ---22
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
McConnell (R-KY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Not Voting - 3
Coburn (R-OK)
Kennedy (D-MA) Ted supported the bill, all the way.
McCain (R-AZ)

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Like in all other things, McSame was for honoring the troops' sacrifice before he was against it. Like he was against torture before he was for it, he was against tax cuts before he was for them, etc etc etc...

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Boy did he fuck himself up - 75 to 22? O lawd!

The Democrats have more style than a barber shop, call the cops!


The Republicans are drilling holes in the SS Titanic so it will sink faster.

LOL!!!

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VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF! VETO PROOF!

Lawsuit filed against DNC to seat FL delegates.
http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2008/05/19/daily33.html

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motherfuckers.

Like I said yesterday - I'm in favor of tying Florida and Michigan up, gagging both states and locking them in the basement until this is over.

That bitch went to Florida yesterday and claimed she is really Al Gore and Obama is Bush and this is the goddamn result.

A fucking lawsuit. *heavy goddamn sigh*

I hate the Clintons.

That lawsuit's going to go really well. So, you were told if you moved up the primary, you would lose your delegates, and you moved up the primary and lost your delegates. It's a VERY compelling case.

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You know, in this case not voting is worse than voting. McCain could have voted "no" and defended on principled policy grounds, but by taking a pass he looks like a cowardly, uncaring ass.

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One could almost say that McCain cut and ran on GIs....

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Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo -


I really really loves that, CT.

He was against it before he skipped it

The perfect statement.

And if any of McSame's hacks start talking about Obama "voting present," even though those votes were procedural moves rather than cop-outs, this is exactly what Obama's people have to throw back in McSame's face. Over and over again.

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Totally and shamelessly OT - it's very humid here the last few days and one of my double doors has swelled and any time it's opened or closed, there is an ear-splitting shriek from where the top of one wooden door scrapes on the top of the other wooden door.

Will 3-in-1 oil solve that, or do I need something else?

(you were warned about this being OT)

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Tena - get a silicone lubricant for it. Long term solution is to take down the door, plane the top of it, and re-hang it.

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Thanks - I knew you'd know.

If only I had a plane...

my husband is not, alas, conversant with tools. My dad could and did build anything and everything. I don't think his dad ever so much as held a hammer. Around here it's up to me.


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Tena - about the silicone...before you try that even, try just rubbing the top of the door with some Gulfwax. That might be enough to stop the shrieking.

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If it is door-on-door start by tightenintg the screws in the top hinge of each door.

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or tightening :)

This was a disgrace.

I know, home repair tips on TPMEC!!! Outrageous!!!!

Seriously, though, it is a disgrace. I guess this means they won't be hitting Obama on his "present" votes in the IL senate this Fall....cuz they just handed Obama the zinger reply of a lifetime to that one.

With regard to Michigan, I agree with Randy Rhodes...

Not only should Hillary NOT be awarded the delegates she scammed, she should be PENALIZED for breaking the rules and keeping her name on the ballot.

As for Florida, who cares? They're going to pick Grandpa Simpson anyway.

Holy crap. How did this end up here?

"Brave McCain ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave McCain turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, John McCain!"

"He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering up
And chickening out and pissing off home,
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge... "

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